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Hegotu Alecto Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:09:00 - [91] "Breeders" is a Slur used by the gays, the terminology is quite simple, it means that Heterosexuals are like rabbits, constantly breeding, supply and demand etc and all that tripe -------------------------------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:26:00 - [92] Originally by: Hegotu Alecto "Breeders" is a Slur used by the gays, the terminology is quite simple, it means that Heterosexuals are like rabbits, constantly breeding, supply and demand etc and all that tripe Lol, bless 'em. I quite like it actually. ------ Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
Sikel QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:32:00 - [93] oh people take themselves too seriously.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:37:00 - [94] this thread is incredibly ghey i feel my fragile little mind has been ****d by its blatent homosexuality already
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:43:00 - [95] Edited by: Kaeten on 27/08/2008 19:43:33 Originally by: Hegotu Alecto TBH im openly gay, had the odd issue but nothing that bothered me too much, most gay/lesbian people tend not to care enough to actually rant about it and just get on with the game. ive found most people alright with it and actually have a laugh, DICE/BoB is very accepting and lots of friendly banter which is ridiculously funny. WHY do i get Dianabolic's name into my head lolxD, give him a hug from me will ya.. and maybe something more. ________________________ I'M POOR
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:43:00 - [96] Originally by: Hegotu Alecto "Breeders" is a Slur used by the gays, the terminology is quite simple, it means that Heterosexuals are like rabbits, constantly breeding, supply and demand etc and all that tripe Breeding RoXXors! ----------------------------------------------------------------------
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:49:00 - [97] Originally by: Amira Silvermist Breeding RoXXors! No, no, no. The practicing to become a breeder "roxx". The breeding itself, not so much... MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:51:00 - [98] Originally by: Turin Most guys, myself included, will make some comment "OMG thats so gay!" We are NOT doing it as a hate comment. Its just something that is a product of growing up among other mostly hetrosexual children. Children are MEAN! And this sterotype attitude develops at an early age. So we perpetuate them as we get older. Going one step further.. the 'OMG thats so gay!' stuff is actually a healthy progression in a way. When a community is confronted with something strange and scary (and there are people out there VERY afraid of gays), there are a number of ways one can deal with the stress. Laughing at something, while not the most polite thing to do, makes it feel less scary and over time results in a less hostile reaction to the issue. Turning gayness into a joke helps people cope, reduces the more destructive responses, and over a generation or two paves the way for NOT seeing something as a horrible threat. Quote: 2 women kissing is awesome. That evaporates REAL quick when the guy realizes that the girls are honestly not intersted in him, and can quickly turn very nasty. The '2 women kissing is awesome' thing is still pretty new. Go back a few decades to when women's lib was the 'great evil' and lesbians were just plaine reviled. I think the main thing that has changed this over time is the number of girls who 'play lesbian' with the ultimate goal of attracting a guy. Those girls get status from their games, but actual lesbians end up getting the resulting hostiltiy when a guy figures out that they are for rea.
mamolian Madhatters Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 27/08/2008 19:43:33 Originally by: Hegotu Alecto TBH im openly gay, had the odd issue but nothing that bothered me too much, most gay/lesbian people tend not to care enough to actually rant about it and just get on with the game. ive found most people alright with it and actually have a laugh, DICE/BoB is very accepting and lots of friendly banter which is ridiculously funny. WHY do i get Dianabolic's name into my head lolxD, give him a hug from me will ya.. and maybe something more. Pfft forget Dianabolic.. Molle in that pink hat cookin wieners on the bbq.. hansom beast tbh. I seriously hate politically correct bullshit.. But I've witnessed some real nasty insults in my time in EVE.. Sometimes even had to put a stop to heated ranting in past alliance chats on this topic.. you get some redneck mouthing off, while not realising several of his friends in the corp/alliance were gay.. EVE is no different than any other MMO in this regard tho. In fact since it has such a steep learning curve.. in my experience the vast majority of players in this game are generally pretty intelligent and civil/decent folk. Most of the "thats so gay" talk have no real intent to insult gay guys/girls, and if you brought it to their attention you found it insulting.. It would immediately stop. I have used such language myself in the past.. and after its slipped out of my mouth/or into the text bar after hitting return.. I feel ashamed tbh.. As I'm similarly ashamed and angry with myself for using language such as "****". Anyways, I'm glad CCP are finally fixing that **ing word filter! -----------
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:11:00 - [100] Some people thing it's A-Ok to use racial slurs in addition to the standard lexicon of vaguelly homophobic language. Would you all be as quick to condemn the author of that article if they were complaning about the way some alliances throw "Jew" and "******" around? I kind of doubt it.
Rick Rothsar Ghosts of Ragnarok	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:08:00 - [101] At the end of the day if people hurt you with the chatbox and not with f1-f8, you're doing it wrong.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:21:00 - [102] Just as the word gay evolved from meaning happy, to a homosexual, it's now evolved into meaning lame, dumb, stupid, weak or any other negative terms. For most people, no one thinks of gay as meaning happy except a few senior citizens perhaps. It's gotten to the point, gay has no affiliation with someone being a homosexual for me. A person is a person. I don't care what your sexual preference is. Labeling someone is foolish. Homosexuals want the world to open up their minds and embrace change, then they might want to embrace the fact that gay has a whole new meaning than it used to. Now calling someone a h0m0 or f4ggot is a bit much and that would definitely be offensive to many people and I could understand someone getting upset over it. Let's face it, anything can be gay under the new definition of it. The bakery is out of sugared doughuts? That's gay. The bus left before you got there? That's gay. Really if you were to call someone gay, I think a lot of kids wouldn't even think of that person as a homosexual, but more as a person who is a lamer or loser. The sexual identity aspect of gay is long gone I think.
Ratha Renoir	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:41:00 - [103] "The sexual identity aspect of gay is long gone I think." That's very evolved... Or very ignorant... Brain hurts trying to figure out which... oh well, more beer might help...
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:23:00 - [104] What qualifies you as a donor? I am a fairly intelligent... ..uh, good-looking man. Physically fit, stable. Thank you. Heterosexual? - Can I ask you something? - Sure. Are you a *got? See? I asked you the same question, only I was clear about the answer I was looking for. I just asked if you were heterosexual. Well, I've never killed a man. - I beg your pardon? - I've never killed a man. - I didn't ask if you had. - I think that's my qualification. Why is that an important qualification for semen donation? It's a big ing... Sorry, a very important qualification. - No one's ever said that before. - Have you ever asked? - No. - You should. Take Los Angeles. If I say that Los Angeles has become a Mecca for homosexual migration, I am right, but look at what I am saying. I am implying gots are nomadic if not predatory miscreants who need to move around. I am likening them to Muslims, or Muslims to them. Saying "LA is full of gots" is just being honest. Why? - Nobody brings up sex with corpses! - It's sick. - You brought it up. - To say I never did it. - I didn't ask. - You should. got. - Just say it. Say it. - No. I'm not gonna say that. If I grab a woman's ass and she punches me, she's fighting for her rights, but if a got grabs my ass and I punch his lights out, - I'm a homophobe. - Let's move on. Are...you...a *got? - Any mental illness in the family? - It's not what you say any more. - It's all in how you say it. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:27:00 - [105] in todays world people will seek to become victims, as victimisation gives you power, and is open to cynical exploitation. and should you call someone out on this? oh, you become an -ist of course.
Maverick Ice	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:54:00 - [106] Originally by: Lyvv Originally by: Angry Lesbian Then I start ranting and calling people æbreedersÆ and ædamned heterosexualsÆ until I wise up and log off for a while to cool down. LoL didnt know that "breeders" was an insult?! Wonder how she thought she came onto this earth. ****ing tube-babies for the win. "breeders", huh? hah. Insult me some more :)
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.08.27 23:08:00 - [107] I personally come down on the side of overly sensitve loser...for the most part. You could put it the mistreat someone and they then get very overly senseitve about it. If I cared enough about it, which I don't the breeder/redneck comments in the article really did take what little I care about it and pretty much killed it, skinned it and ran over it mutiple times. On the other hand if I had the occasion to shoot the shit out of the player in question I would enjoy shooting such a emo ****wit... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.27 23:34:00 - [108] It's not even that calling something gay, or a f-ag is about gay bashing anymore. God knows I'm not the straightest person in the world, but even I say it (or yell it). And I know enough gay people who do say it and don't even think twice about it. So pretty much I'm just reiterating what I said before, article is dumb. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.27 23:35:00 - [109] Eris shines in this thread. Eris, you're awsome. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.08.27 23:52:00 - [110] Hum. Well. I can't say I found the article particularly het-up, emo ragey or ranty. I've written more impassioned rants on not being able to swear on forums - her arguements seem quite calm, collected and articulate so I'm not sure where that particular criticism comes from. If people are viewing this as an attack on Eve players, it's worth keeping in mind she describes EVE as a "nominally gay-friendly" world (which is better than many)and describes her "myriad experiences" with joining corporations. And sexuality aside - I could say the same, some corps I've been in have been terrible and not a right-fit for my personality and others have. So yes, the point I'm making is that I didn't find the article 'eve bashing' - it was fairly balanced. Quote: Also, the (paraphrasing) "we don't need to know you're a freaking lesbian" remark... while crude and rude at the same time, that's akin to somebody saying "we don't need to know your girlfriend just arrived", "we don't need to know you burned the steak in the oven because of the gatecamp" or even "stop bragging about stuff". I think that's true in general, but maybe not in the example she raises. She was giving a reason for logging out and, according to her, made a verbal slip. This is a bit different to being openly lesbian and making sure everyone knows about it. The guy who reacted badly to this, according to her, apparently "talked endlessly about oggling strippers." Endlessly sexual remarks about women + reacting badly to lesbian = very insecure male. And there are a lot of insecure guys who play MMOs, the "no girls on the internet" meme shows that, plus the bragging geekery of how good they are with women irl just shows how badly certain people need attention. (Ryan someone or other does that a lot in OOP ) Quote: Quote: 2 women kissing is awesome. That evaporates REAL quick when the guy realizes that the girls are honestly not intersted in him, and can quickly turn very nasty. Very true. Quote: Originally by: An AnarchyytThis article is incredibly stupid, none of this is unique to Eve, or MMOs in any way. Agreed!! Whomever wrote it should try the free weekend on steam and play TF2 or Counter Strike Source.. They will have a heart attack reading the crap those kids say!! Well, yes and no. The thing is she's coming at the article from two angles which is probably a mistake. The prevalence of casual language taken as an anti-gay slur The unique problems an MMO poses With the first, then you're both right - and I would agree she's being a tad oversensitive, but then that's easy for me to say. With the second, her point is more valid. With MMOS, and in particular EVE, you're in it for the long haul. The people you meet and play with you're likely to form a close relationship with over time. This is not really the case in a free weekend of TF2 or Counterstrike Source. She makes this point here: "There is also always the option to choose to keep your sexual orientation offline, which is a perfectly acceptable choiceùbut can lead to awkward moments. Conversation rarely stays solely about things in game (even in roleplaying groups), and when someone asks you if youÆre married or have a boyfriendùwell, itÆs either lie or tell a twisted version of the truth." Quote: On the internet, there is no such thing as gender. Dont mention your gender, dont care about another persons gender, dont talk about subjects relating to gender with people you dont know.Your opening a can of worms by mentioning your a man/woman or your sexual orientation in this digital world and you best be able to stand the fire the moment someone in the above group catches wiff of what you said. Erm, Teamspeak? It's a prequisite for a lot of pew-pew corps... (more to follow ) __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:00:00 - [111] Quote: Seriously though, I don't know many people that get through a sentence or two without slipping in a swear word or two, even those that are very innapropriate. True. I think her problem though isn't with swearing per se, it's that part of her personal identity is being used as a swear word. The key word here is 'personal' - in a sense, yes that is her problem, and no it's not specific to MMOs. (though you could argue "that's so ghey" language is mainly spoken by adolescent males, who are usually the key demographic in MMOs, though possibly not EVE) It's here I would agree she's being sensitive, and yes you can argue that the word doesn't mean the same thing as it used to. However, if there's a disparity between what the person speaking/typing conveys and what the person hearing/reading recieves, then there's going to be a problem. Language changes and evolves, and to an extent you have to roll with that - but the thing is, there's always going to be the undercurrent of how it got to be as it is. Quote: Jade has no right whatsoever to make a point against blunt and offensive statements on the internet being an offender himself. I was going to point that out given I think I've read Jade wish cancer on someone and various other nicities However, reading his post a bit further you'll see he admits he's used the language under discussion, regrets it, and considers (paraphrasing as I didn't copy and paste this one ) restraint to be strength of character or something along those lines. So fair enough tbh, I don't think you can accuse him of being hypocritical here. Quote: TL;DR = Free Speach is always a good thing, Censorship is always a bad thing I agree, though I'm not sure that's what she's talking about. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:05:00 - [112] Quote: I think that's true in general, but maybe not in the example she raises. She was giving a reason for logging out and, according to her, made a verbal slip. This is a bit different to being openly lesbian and making sure everyone knows about it. The guy who reacted badly to this, according to her, apparently "talked endlessly about oggling strippers." Endlessly sexual remarks about women + reacting badly to lesbian = very insecure male. And there are a lot of insecure guys who play MMOs, the "no girls on the internet" meme shows that, plus the bragging geekery of how good they are with women irl just shows how badly certain people need attention. (Ryan someone or other does that a lot in OOP ) Huh? Cmon, this is EVE. Remember "Womens play eve?" If what she states did take place, how do YOU think it really went. "afk guys, my gf just walked in brb" DID YOU SAY GF?! Where do you live? I want to join? BRB, going to fap FC - yeah everyone take 5 If the latter half of her story checks out, then I imagine the negative lesbian connotation was piled on after everyone was already ****ed at her for whatever reason. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:09:00 - [113] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Edited by: CCP Eris Discordia on 27/08/2008 16:56:17 People also get annoyed when they compare ship fights to raping, it¦s offense to people who actually went through it. At some time though you need to realise people don¦t mean it in the way you take offense to it and you are just being overly sensitive to it because they take it so personal. I¦m sure the ¦it¦s so gay¦type of thing will blow over in a few years and then it might be ¦Oh that¦s just so senior. Go on retirement man.¦ Sorry, but sometimes you need to toughen up on the internet. And in EVE, when your corporation gives you shit you blow them up and steal their loot after offering to escort their valuables. Eris once abused my hat... she said mean things to it. Still lots of wub though, just... my hat... is... forever scarred mentally... \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:10:00 - [114] tbh i dont think that the issue really is language in mmo's but rather just common place phrases and so on because in any casual conversations you can hear the same thing the article makes it sound like it's eve or the eve community in parts . but really it's more the human community and just the thing they say . now if some were to make deliberate anti semetic remarks or statements relating to a race being inferior becaus of stereotyping or baseless " facts " then it's an issue . but hardly an eve issue but a people issue in general . * *
MataSanos	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:34:00 - [115] i am heterosexual if anyone call me heterosexual i dont get offended and that is not anti-heterosexual language so if i call gay a gay person that anti gay language .... WTF
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:39:00 - [116] Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 28/08/2008 00:41:04 Quote: Huh? Cmon, this is EVE. Remember "Womens play eve?" If what she states did take place, how do YOU think it really went. "afk guys, my gf just walked in brb" DID YOU SAY GFShocked?! Where do you live? I want to join? BRB, going to fap FC - yeah everyone take 5 If the latter half of her story checks out, then I imagine the negative lesbian connotation was piled on after everyone was already ***ed at her for whatever reason. Don't mean to be rude, but I'm not sure I get your point Which is probably my fault as in the bit you quoted I was trying to make a few different points... Akita T was suggesting that the guys response was coming more from a "I don't care what you do in your personal life" than a "I hate lesbians" angle - I counterargued that what the guy said coupled with going on about strippers suggests hostility from insecurity, rather than simply not caring. (Though simply not caring could otherwise be a common response) I think* (correct me if I'm wrong I might need reading comprehension 101...) you're saying that the scenario as she paints it is unlikely in EVE? Well she could have made the whole thing up, sure. But all we're going on is what she's written. I can definately see your scenario taking place and taken in the right (?) way, it's all harmless banter - but maybe the two scenarios aren't mutually exclusive? blogging lesbian:afk guys, my gf just walked in brb corpmember1: DID YOU SAY GF corpmember21:Where do you live? corpmember2:I want to join? corpmember5:We donÆt need to know ur a ing dyke. corpmember4:BRB, going to fap FC: - yeah everyone take 5 ? She did say it was 1 person, not the entire corp. Though that said, while I'd consider your scenario as mainly humourous (if immature) banter, I could understand if your scenario woudn't go down particularly well with her __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.28 01:46:00 - [117] Edited by: Sharupak on 28/08/2008 01:52:48 Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 28/08/2008 00:57:50 Quote: Huh? Cmon, this is EVE. Remember "Womens play eve?" If what she states did take place, how do YOU think it really went. "afk guys, my gf just walked in brb" DID YOU SAY GFShocked?! Where do you live? I want to join? BRB, going to fap FC - yeah everyone take 5 If the latter half of her story checks out, then I imagine the negative lesbian connotation was piled on after everyone was already ***ed at her for whatever reason. Don't mean to be rude, but I'm not sure I get your point Which is probably my fault as in the bit you quoted I was trying to make a few different points... Akita T was suggesting that the guys response was coming more from a "I don't care what you do in your personal life" than a "I hate lesbians" angle - I counterargued that what the guy said coupled with going on about strippers suggests hostility from insecurity, rather than simply not caring. (Though simply not caring could otherwise be a common response) I think* (correct me if I'm wrong I might need reading comprehension 101...) you're saying that the scenario as she paints it is unlikely in EVE? Well she could have made the whole thing up, sure. But all we're going on is what she's written. I can definately see your scenario taking place and taken in the right (?) way, it's all harmless banter - but maybe the two scenarios aren't mutually exclusive? blogging lesbian:afk guys, my gf just walked in brb corpmember1: DID YOU SAY GF corpmember2:Where do you live? corpmember3:I want to join? corpmember4:We donÆt need to know ur a ing dyke. corpmember5:BRB, going to fap FC: - yeah everyone take 5 ? She did say it was 1 person, not the entire corp. Though that said, while I'd consider your scenario as mainly humourous (if immature) banter, I could understand if your scenario woudn't go down particularly well with her Your last 3 lines sum it up exactly. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
MidnightMartyr Gallente Chowabunga Inc. Ascendo-Tuum	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:55:00 - [118] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At some time though you need to realise people don¦t mean it in the way you take offense to it and you are just being overly sensitive to it because they take it so personal. Not to put too fine a point on it but my having a thick skin has nothing to do with the acceptability of your sexist or homophobic comments. In fact, I'm quite sure that if we were talking about racism here the response would be much, much different. Or can we start calling nano pilots Nano N-----s now? As a black man I officially give you the rights to call nano pilots Nano Ni--ers. In fact I believe thats my newest phrase. Bottom line immature people+anonymity+an audience= total f---bends. There is nothing you can do about it, get over it. You don't hear me crying foul every time some one exclaims "ni--er" into corp chat. -_-
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.28 04:37:00 - [119] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 28/08/2008 04:37:40 Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Edited by: Beltantis Torrence on 27/08/2008 16:57:20 Heh, its news that there are angst-filled and bigotted people in a playerbase of 300,000 people? Next you'll tell me that rain is wet. Sidenote - once heard over fleet voice channel someone talk about dragging black people behind their truck...Yikes. Did you ask them why they used a truck & not a faster more effective method for the result they were after? Either way it does not seem the correct place to point out such a remark over fleet voice when ur fighting. no EVE related content in signature. ~Weatherman
Qaedienne	Posted - 2008.08.28 05:08:00 - [120] Edited by: Qaedienne on 28/08/2008 05:10:01 An interesting article and thread. The first thing that struck me was that for someone writing an article about hate language and/or stereotypes, she seems unaware that she is guilty of the same ("breeders", "redneck"). It makes me wonder if she understands bigotry enough to recognize it when it doesn't target homosexuals. I get the feeling she doesn't, and I would guess that her reasoning is that she doesn't need to because of her sexual orientation. As far as offensive language goes, I have yet to play an MMO that doesn't have language offensive or abusive to everyone in large/public chat channels. That's why most people turn them off or minimize them. I don't believe it's an EvE issue, or even an MMO issue. It's an internet issue (unfettered free speech). Freedom of speech often clashes with orthodoxy. tl;dr version: Pot -> Kettle + get over it.

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