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TimMc Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.28 06:17:00 - [121] Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: Catherine Frasier That's not the issue. It's the use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid". Surely you understand why, to someone who is gay, that's pretty damned offensive. Surely you understand why, to someone who is joyous and merry, that the use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "homosexual" is pretty damned offensive! MDD LOL Quoted for great justice.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:15:00 - [122] Edited by: Spaztick on 28/08/2008 07:15:31 Edited by: Spaztick on 28/08/2008 07:15:22 I, a gay bachelor, am offended at this quFer post. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:40:00 - [123] ROFL the world is sooooo evil cry they say words cry ROFL down with political correctness! everyone has to live his life and has to accept other people's views about it the same way they want to have their way of life accepted. dixit Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
Ninsoku	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:56:00 - [124] Edited by: Ninsoku on 28/08/2008 08:56:52 When players online type 'that was gay' I think the majority of the time they do not mean it in a real life anti-gay way. The word in it's online use - especially in gaming has evolved to mean 'cheap' or 'lame'. However if you type 'you are gay' or 'you're a f*g' then the intention is very obvious and discriminatory to ones sexual orientation or the perception thereof. The internet is a very dynamic community and as such language used in the real world can change and mean something very different in cyberspace.
Evanade Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.28 09:12:00 - [125] Edited by: Evanade on 28/08/2008 09:14:08 sok alt - main got banzored
Evanade Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.28 09:13:00 - [126] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: Catherine Frasier That's not the issue. It's the use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid". Surely you understand why, to someone who is gay, that's pretty damned offensive. Surely you understand why, to someone who is joyous and merry, that the use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "homosexual" is pretty damned offensive! MDD LOL Quoted for great justice. qft sok alt - main got banzored
Hegotu Alecto Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.28 09:20:00 - [127] Well, now ive been seeing "Thats so Str8" whatever else next. as for defending "Thats so gay" people who are less secure than i am, that your saying the word gay is a bad thing. personally i dont brand or stereotype myself. im a person, my husband is a person, were not gay/str8 etc were just two normal people. the younger less experienced and Emotionally unstable Homo's will learn in time, but it usually takes about 10 years. im 25 now and well ive pretty much been the same, i really dont care what people think of me, i dont lower myself to ranting about silly name calling, ive far more important things to worry about. Thats what the new generation of homos need to learn, things were different 10 years ago, its easier now in a more accepting world, it wasnt 10 years back. TD:LR Homos, learn not to be a bit Emo and stop stereotyping/branding yourself cos its cool, the worlds alot easier for homos nowadays, take advantage and stop with the emo stuff. also learn from us older generation of gays who had to fight for their rights and freedoms that you take for granted every day -------------------------------
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.28 10:00:00 - [128] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia And in EVE, when your corporation gives you shit you blow them up and steal their loot after offering to escort their valuables. Best dev post I've seen all month. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Yoshimako	Posted - 2008.08.28 10:36:00 - [129] Edited by: Yoshimako on 28/08/2008 10:38:03 Originally by: Davina Braben Edited by: Davina Braben on 27/08/2008 20:31:09 Some people thing it's A-Ok to use racial slurs in addition to the standard lexicon of vaguelly homophobic language. Would you all be as quick to condemn the author of that article if they were complaning about the way some alliances throw "Jew" and "****" around? I kind of doubt it. Seriously. Black person complaining about racial harassment in EVE. Would you be saying they should just suck it down and people are using that language in an ironic fashion? I'm not saying I agree with the author (although belonging to no minority that's ever been oppressed I'm not sure I'd be qualified to agree or disagree) but I do think it's a peculiar double standard. I use alot of racial slurs tbh, i also use the "thats so gay" etc. I'm not racist, and I'm certainly not homophobic. Yes these words are offensive still but i think it is steadily changing. For instance, black people started using the word **** themselves to take the power of it away from people that were really using it maliciously, that was an awesome idea! Let's not beat around the bush okay, what black people used to have to go through (and still do in some places) is horrific. I mean utterly disgusting. There is no excuse for it at all. None. Ever. The world now is fortunately quite a bit more tolerant now, it isn't perfect by any means, but it's getting there, it isn't going to happen over night either. But with the rise in popularity of black culture (and as funny as it is all the wannabe white boys running around pretending to be black) the use of the word n*gger and other such slurs have been totaly taken out of context. Yes, technically they are still horrible words, but think about it. If it carries on like this then in 20-50 years then such words will be pretty much meaningless. Thats my way of looking at things like that anyway. No i'm not exactly going to walk in to a room full of black people and start spouting words like that but thats only beacuse i don't want to offend people. Afterall not everyone is of the same mind, and ofcourse the people that have had to suffer such slurs really being directed towards them, are not going to like them in most cases. As for on the internet, you need to 'man-up' some people as we all know, are just out to hit buttons. Deal with it, ignore them, whatever. But remember the more you whine, the worse they will be.
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.28 11:13:00 - [130] I LOL'd so hard on the term snown*gger. I'm from finland myself so thats okay, right? _______ ◕◡◕

Xtreem Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2008.08.28 11:28:00 - [131] i think its funny, surly to someone that is gay being called gay is not an insult more of a truth, live and let live and never take anything to heart in a game, its all giggles :)
Arilanus Doshenko Ascendant Strategies Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.28 11:47:00 - [132] Dear people-who-want-to-do-people-with-same-genitals, I'm officially recinding your rights to the usage of the word 'gay' and 'lesbian', so they can be used for other purposes. Us "breeders" have to stick with "heterosexual" and "straight". We don't get fancy gender-specific terms. This is unfair, and tantamount to discrimination. You'll have to decide between you on the moniker of the future. So, as a counterpoint to 'straight', I offer the following alternatives: Circular, Fractal, Rhomboid or Narrow. "Wiggly" can be made available upon request. Bisexuals will henceforth be known as 'parallelograms'.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.28 12:06:00 - [133] Originally by: Great Artista I LOL'd so hard on the term snowngger. I'm from finland myself so thats okay, right? not ok, this is offensive towards snow and with global warming snow is a pretty endangered species now Originally by:* George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.28 13:02:00 - [134] The belief that calling someone or something in this game 'gay' is actually a homophobic statement is either ignorance or intentional misunderstanding. Half my expletives/exclamations reference god; yet I do not even believe in god (as such). This is similar to a situation where someone references girls in chat, makes a generalisation, and some genius pipes up "Well I'm a girl and we don't like...". Not only is this asking to be trolled by showing that you are offended by what is being said, it is also hypocritical both in that it itself is making a generalisation about females and in that by implicitly asking for special treatment ("I am a girl/gay/handicapped so please don't say X") it is essentially asking for discrimination. Thus it both asks to be and deserves to be trolled. No wonder it, you know, gets trolled. Most (though not all) of the article writer's issues are from the victim mentality one would expect from someone writing on a website aimed at a minority. - DesuSigs
Voltain BEER Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.28 13:10:00 - [135] Gay used to mean happy, nothing more. Arse Bandits and Fur Munchers stole my happy wordz! DesuSig
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.28 13:19:00 - [136] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf When you can't make comments, positive, negative, or downright derogatory about a group of people then that is discrimination. Hardly anyone ever complains about anything offensive to ginger people, or those with freckles, the overweight, the spotty, the nerdy, etc. "Hardly anyone ever complains" is not exactly the point though, is it? Try firing an employee because they have freckles and see how "OK" that turns out to be. Of course, nobody does that, but because you're gay, or black, etc... Yeah, that is still an everyday situation. Works the opposite way round here. Acts have been passed, repealed, and passed again that force companies to hire a certain percentage of disabled people or people of non-caucasian ethnicities. Most companies are reluctant to fire minority employees due to fear of being taken to court. Even in criminal law if it's assault your likely to get a much harsher sentace against non-whites since it is automatically perceived as racially motivated and you almost daren't be so much as rude to them for fear of being accused of a hate-crime. It's officially sanctioned discrimination. Originally by: Catherine Frasier Asking not to be insulted and abused simply because of some random group you happen to fall into is not about "superiority". Asking isn't, expecting is. People insult each other, humor is based on difference, and in general humanity isn't very nice. Yet a great many people seem to think the world revolves around them and that they should be immune to such things. If someone called me a Honky I wouldn't take them to court over it and I certainly wouldn't win if I did. I'm a believer in equal rights for all, yet when it comes to minorities this is often not the case and while in some countries this door swings both ways, or they are oppressed, in others they are given a distinct legal advantage and special treatment based on their "grouping". If putting people in little boxes and giving them differing treatment and rights is blatant discrimination. In short: Freedom of speech includes the freedom to be mean unless the speaker is trying to motivate a crime of some kind. It shouldn't have clauses. Now excuse me while I successfully take someone to court for non-offensively getting my ethnicity wrong.
Rana Ash Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.28 14:57:00 - [137] Originally by: Arilanus Doshenko Dear people-who-want-to-do-people-with-same-genitals, I'm officially recinding your rights to the usage of the word 'gay' and 'lesbian', so they can be used for other purposes. Us "breeders" have to stick with "heterosexual" and "straight". We don't get fancy gender-specific terms. This is unfair, and tantamount to discrimination. You'll have to decide between you on the moniker of the future. So, as a counterpoint to 'straight', I offer the following alternatives: Circular, Fractal, Rhomboid or Narrow. "Wiggly" can be made available upon request. Bisexuals will henceforth be known as 'parallelograms'. Umm /signd, i concur, i agree whole heartedly lyret dedreen
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.28 15:52:00 - [138] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide ROFL the world is sooooo evil cry they say words cry ROFL down with political correctness! everyone has to live his life and has to accept other people's views about it the same way they want to have their way of life accepted. dixit QFT, sadly. I was going to say something similar along these lines, but quoted poster said it much much better than I could ever think up. -
Ademaro Imre Caldari Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.08.28 20:43:00 - [139] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 28/08/2008 20:46:00 From the Web Whine; Quote: Other times, IÆve been welcomed in with open arms and never had a single uncomfortable experience as a lesbian gamer. My current corporation has several gay members and we all joke and laugh about our lives, our various girlfriends, boyfriends, wives and husbands and how nasty it is to get *our ships nuked by a redneck, hormonal teenagerùwithout any drama over anyoneÆs sexual orientation.* This author is upset someone might say something is "gay," "ghey," or "ghay," but somehow this author knows that another player is a "redneck", and calls them a redneck, and knows what the ages are of other players, and what their physiology is. Just as long as no conversation brings up sexual orientation - this woman feels free to use terms like "redneck" and "hormonal teenager." The author is not a dyke. She is a bi tch, and that is why no one likes her - because she is a whiny bi tch. There, I said it. She is a flaming bi tch. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Darrien Hayes Caldari Gay Liberation Society	Posted - 2008.08.28 21:47:00 - [140] dear oh dear, its worse than i thought

Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:39:00 - [141] Originally by: Ademaro Imre Quote: Other times, IÆve been welcomed in with open arms and never had a single uncomfortable experience as a lesbian gamer. My current corporation has several gay members and we all joke and laugh about our lives, our various girlfriends, boyfriends, wives and husbands and how nasty it is to get *our ships nuked by a redneck, hormonal teenagerùwithout any drama over anyoneÆs sexual orientation.* This author is upset someone might say something is "gay," "ghey," or "ghay," but somehow this author knows that another player is a "redneck", and calls them a redneck, and knows what the ages are of other players, and what their physiology is. Just as long as no conversation brings up sexual orientation - this woman feels free to use terms like "redneck" and "hormonal teenager." The author is not a dyke. She is a bi tch, and that is why no one likes her - because she is a whiny bi tch. There, I said it. She is a flaming hypocrit bi tch. I believe the correct non-wordfilter-avoiding term would be hypocrite. But it's okay to be ageist or racist so long as your not homophobic, after-all her minority group is special, she's in it.
Nynaeve Ares Animus Incarnate	Posted - 2008.08.29 03:10:00 - [142] Welcome to the internet, if you are not offended at some point you are not human.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.29 03:15:00 - [143] Originally by: Hegotu Alecto "Breeders" is a Slur used by the gays, the terminology is quite simple, it means that Heterosexuals are like rabbits, constantly breeding, supply and demand etc and all that tripe Would they be offended by the term "half-breeder" then ? _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.08.29 04:14:00 - [144] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Hegotu Alecto "Breeders" is a Slur used by the gays, the terminology is quite simple, it means that Heterosexuals are like rabbits, constantly breeding, supply and demand etc and all that tripe Would they be offended by the term "half-breeder" then ? lol nice one ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Xap Starfire	Posted - 2008.08.29 04:57:00 - [145] I was in a corporation where every third word on ventrillo was "gay". Although the gay-sayers (middle aged men for the most part) were always using it in the "gay=uncool" context rather than in the literal, "gay=homosexual" context, I eventually came to the conclusion that the gay-sayers were actually a bunch of repressed bisexual married men. Their repeated use of the word "gay" in a variety of contexts only suggested their own repressed and unfulfilled homosexual tendencies.
Lord Makk Phaze-9 Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.08.29 06:32:00 - [146] It's okay to be gay. But tbh, gay folks can blame themselves for getting the heat from the homophobic ones and/or random ******s. Stop flashing with parades and shouting to everyone what u are :) Then you might be left alone :) At least by us somewhat decent folks. Also, the media must take it's blame for what it's turning into. Also Mk II.... Lesbians... weee! ;)
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.29 09:11:00 - [147] Originally by: Rana Ash Originally by: Arilanus Doshenko Dear people-who-want-to-do-people-with-same-genitals, I'm officially recinding your rights to the usage of the word 'gay' and 'lesbian', so they can be used for other purposes. Us "breeders" have to stick with "heterosexual" and "straight". We don't get fancy gender-specific terms. This is unfair, and tantamount to discrimination. You'll have to decide between you on the moniker of the future. So, as a counterpoint to 'straight', I offer the following alternatives: Circular, Fractal, Rhomboid or Narrow. "Wiggly" can be made available upon request. Bisexuals will henceforth be known as 'parallelograms'. Umm /signd, i concur, i agree whole heartedly
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.29 09:14:00 - [148] gay str8 it's all the same I'm not one for taking a shot in the mouth or a jab in the ass I enjoy my heteroness/ breeder yes that me I said breeder. I for one don't really give a crap about all this gay/***** shit people r people to me just because u like people with the same parts makes no differance in my life. We all bleed red
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.29 09:15:00 - [149] Originally by: Taradis gay str8 it's all the same I'm not one for taking a shot in the mouth or a jab in the ass I enjoy my heteroness/ breeder yes that me I said breeder. I for one don't really give a crap about all this gay/***** shit people r people to me just because u like people with the same parts makes no differance in my life. We all bleed red Wow i can say Gay but not Les BO oi this filter is the most pointless one ever
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:00:00 - [150] I myself have nothing agsint homos/bis as I said earlier in this thread, however put it like this. some people might not like me for my attitude and some others may love me for it. same here, everyones got an opionion so quit whining, it's how the world works. if everyone had a "good" opionion about everything there would be no trouble about anything because everyone would think the same. ________________________ I'M POOR



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