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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ratha Renoir Edited by: Ratha Renoir on 27/08/2008 16:46:57
Interesting.
http://www.lesbianation.com/article.cfm?section=2&id=20099
I find EVE to be a pretty accepting place myself.
all im hearing is.. EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE the word "gay" omg shoot me now! EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE EMO RAGE
If you get offended by the word gay then the world will not be a very nice place for you.. Especially if some1 is just saying it as slang and in no dleiberately derrogitive way.
Seriously some ppl just need to harden the **** up!
disclaimer: i am not homophobic, just trolling poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Originally by: Sheriff Jones *ding ding!*
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Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners...*goes back to reading*
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TimMc
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt This article is incredibly stupid, none of this is unique to Eve, or MMOs in any way.
Indeed.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Eve at its worst is very much a laddish monoculture of euro-style virtual rugby meatheads combined with US frat-boy nonsense and the way these influences rise to predominance on the public forums only reinforces the persuasive impact. Its difficult for any individual to stand up and criticize without being called being "thin-skinned" "over-sensitive" "whiny-cry-babbies" for caring about how we actually should be interacting with each other.
In any case I can certainly say that I personally regret using this kind of language whenever I have done and I consider it a failure of personality strength/temper to have slipped into the common thuggish mode of discourse rather than setting better standards through quality speech and interaction.
Meh... religious people get used to it, why not homosexuals? Or anyone for that matter.
There will always be *******s, its best to ignore them.
Or in Eve just shoot them in the face.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At some time though you need to realise people don¦t mean it in the way you take offense to it and you are just being overly sensitive to it because they take it so personal.
Not to put too fine a point on it but my having a thick skin has nothing to do with the acceptability of your sexist or homophobic comments.
In fact, I'm quite sure that if we were talking about racism here the response would be much, much different. Or can we start calling nano pilots Nano N-----s now?
I actually call my mates from the cold Scandinavia snownigg*rs, I am too a snownigg*r because I too come from the cold Scandinavia. Something I am, by the way, reminded of by my fine British ginger sheeploving friends.
Oh, and I hate Gallente with a passion because they are such drone ***g*ts and come from the character creation with a makeup box. And darling, I'd change that makeup if I were you, you got a cross hair painted all over your face, almost as if you want to get shot between the eyes.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:38:00 -
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OH NOES! PEOPLE TALKING ON THE INTERNET THE WAY THEY TALK IN REAL LIFE! HAX!!! GET THE BANZONRZ STICK!!!!!11111elevntyone
Seriously though, I don't know many people that get through a sentence or two without slipping in a swear word or two, even those that are very innapropriate.
I remember Kevin Smith saying more or less they same thing when he was justifying why his new movie shouldn't get a NC-17 rating in the US, I'm not saying that everyone or even most people are like that, but its naive to think that a large majority of the population, when speaking in private (or semi-private, but not public which is governed but sepereate social conventions), is going to alter their speach habits to not offend people in a video game that they deal with anonymously.
For example, if someone screams in a chat channel they're a <insert name of WWII German political party of some renown> and death to all Jews/blacks/gays/etc, thats fine, but I reserve the right to say back at them that they should be dragged out into the street, have their genitals cut off, and be left to bleed to death. Neither concept is appetizing or pleasant but we are all entitled to our opinions whether they are right, wrong, naive, intelligent, just, or unjust. Telling people not to express their views in ernest is 10 times more offensive to me.
TL;DR = Free Speach is always a good thing, Censorship is always a bad thing
P.S. I have nothing against gay/lesbian people (in fact I consider myself a male lesbian )
PPS. theirs a certain irony to posting this on this particular forum given the amount of PC modding that goes on.....
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Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Caedicus
Minmatar Kellogg's Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:41:00 -
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TBH, I've used the phrase "That's gay" to refer to something that's stupid and lame. I try to use it less since I'm adult and it's unprofessional to use such language, and I have gay friends, but sometimes it still slips when I'm playing games. I really don't mean it to offend anyone, but if I hang around people that use a certain set a phrases, it sometimes inadvertently becomes a part of my vocabulary.
I can somewhat understand why people think it's offensive because I think if everyone said "That's American" or "Using alts to spy is such an American Tactic" to describe things that are sucky, it might get on my nerves as an American. But at the same time, people who are offended have to realize that most of the time, people aren't trying to hurt anyone when they say such phrases, it's just part of the language they use. Evolution in Eve:
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Can be too much "its just internet trolling toughen up" pseudo machismo spoken on these topics. End of the day offensive statements are offensive and its only the medium of internet anonymity that allows people to act like ignorant reactionary thugs without censure or consequence that allows this kind of thing to be so prevalent.
I agree, in the end it¦s not nice. But you can either take everything said as a personal affront and maybe react in a way that feeds it and continues it (because drama is funny and or amusing), or you can give other responses.
I don¦t agree that this only happens on the internet, I hear often enough ¦that¦s just gay¦ as an argument against something. Way I deal with it is by saying ¦it¦s gay¦ is not an argument and I¦d like to hear why you would think it is apparantly bad ( or maybe it¦s gay means it is happy again?)
Regarding over sensitivity, you can be over sensitive. For instance people do use **** to describe things that have very little to do with the fact. If you get upset everytime someones mentions ****, you are oversensitive and you might want to look into why.
I would agree tat this has been generalised by everyone and applied to everything. If you just ask someone in person if they can stop doing this you can already be labelled as oversensitive as well.
I¦m still hoping the entire ¦it¦s gay¦ as a replacement for ¦bad, stupid¦ will blow over and a new meme will come into existence.
That¦s so lolcat maybe?
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Laerise
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:45:00 -
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Stop backpaddling Eris, Jade has no right whatsoever to make a point against blunt and offensive statements on the internet being an offender himself.
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Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Can be too much "its just internet trolling toughen up" pseudo machismo spoken on these topics. End of the day offensive statements are offensive.
Where do you draw the line? ultimately there is always going to be someone out there who can claim to be 'offended' by something thats said or done, even the mere existance of the game is 'offensive' to some types
So yeah, basically even when it IS just internet trolling, or indeed the whole laziness/ignorance/plain stupidity side of things and at the end of the day, it means very very little in the grand scheme of things.
Im convinced that a lot of peoples offended nature is simply down to being told or brainwashed in believing that they're offended.
People need to take a step back and ask themselves whether it really makes any difference to them whatsoever. When, and in almost every case its when, they realise that nothing thats said will ever have any bearing on how they live thier lives, then theyll realise that getting offended achieves little.
It really is a case of 'sticks and stones....'
There is always room for change, both in attitude and action, and that change will come, but the there are better ways of going encouraging that change, and going head to head with people who dont understand WHY what theyre saying is unacceptable is only going to make life difficult.
I too have stopped using such derogatory terms, because I choose to, because its a matter of respect for other peoples lifestyle choice, even if its one that I will never be able to get my head round.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Laerise Stop backpaddling Eris, Jade has no right whatsoever to make a point against blunt and offensive statements on the internet being an offender himself.
Yeah jade! Who the hell made you a voice for fairness and reason?
Oh right...
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Turin on 27/08/2008 17:50:30 Homosexuality is a weird thing in general for most heterosexual men. It is human nature to attack something we cannot understand. And the bottom line is this. Most hetero men cannot, and will NEVER EVER understand why someone can prefer other men. We simply arent hardwired for it. So, instead we jest, make fun of, or attack it.
Most guys, myself included, will make some comment "OMG thats so gay!" We are NOT doing it as a hate comment. Its just something that is a product of growing up among other mostly hetrosexual children. Children are MEAN! And this sterotype attitude develops at an early age. So we perpetuate them as we get older.
I have worked pretty hard to supress my anti gayness. Its not always easy. I sometimes say things that are insensitive. I actually physically cringe when I see 2 men kissing each other. And tha happens a lot since I live in a part of chicago that many many MANY gay people live in. But at the end of the day, I am glad they found what makes them happy.
I admit to being slightly homophobic. I wish gay people every happiness in what they do, have, and want. But as a hetro man, I still have a hard time dealing with the image of two men kissing.
On the flip side of that, and this is what I find ammusing. Put 2 lesbians in the mix, and most guys fantasies go nuts! Bill hicks put it best
2 men kissing is evil
2 women kissing is awesome.
Yet another stereotype among hetro men, but... well... there it is. And its not likely to change any time soon. Its simply human nature.
Most people who react to these types of statements, do so out of a choice to make a point. They are well aware of the social stigmas attached ( if unfairly ) to the gay lifestyle. They choose to make a point of it, and be offended every time someone says something.
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Dismus
Gallente Universal Star Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:54:00 -
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Wouldn't it stand to reason that occurrences of the misuse of words denoting a particular sexual orientation only seem to be more prevalent in EVE because we have the largest concurrently active player base out of any MMO in existence?
When you have up to 35,000 users logged in simultaneously, and you're looking at these instances as a mere number of occurrences, instead of percentage-wise, it definitely appears to happen more in EVE than other games.
Really, though, beyond this, is it not enough to laugh at the fact that these people are using words in the entirely wrong connotation? It's like saying, "That ship is so desk chair." Or "stop being so paper shredder." I'd personally take more offense to people not having a firm grasp on the English language, not for attempting to insult my sexual orientation.
I am gay, and I have never once taken offense to this kind of crap. By and large, itÆs children who use this kind of language. That has been my experience, anyways.
Originally by: Draeca Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic. I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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Ryysa
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 27/08/2008 17:56:09 This thread is gay.
Sorry, I went there.
(P.S. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay).
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:58:00 -
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Ghetto forming, no longer limited to ethnicity but now also to sexual bias
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 27/08/2008 17:56:09 This thread is gay.
Sorry, I went there.
(P.S. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay).
I'm going past there. Homosexuals are gay.
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Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Callib Gor''Karrithe on 27/08/2008 18:08:18 ....just nevermind. I'm not getting tied up in this crap.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier That's not the issue. It's the use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid". Surely you understand why, to someone who is gay, that's pretty damned offensive.
Surely you understand why, to someone who is joyous and merry, that the use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "homosexual" is pretty damned offensive!
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:11:00 -
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this is actully true, me myself I have nothing agsint people that aren't straight, i even have RL friends that are gay and bi.
I once typed in chat "that's so gay", Not meaning to be offensive towards people that are gay jsut more of a speech term. And the chat went balls on me lol. From after that haven't said that phrase evr again, and yes this is chat in EVE. |
Reaver One
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:14:00 -
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Being black is a weird thing in general for most caucasian men. It is human nature to attack something we cannot understand. And the bottom line is this. Most white people cannot, and will NEVER EVER understand why someone can prefer black people. We simply arent hardwired for it. So, instead we jest, make fun of, or attack it.
Most whites, myself included, will make some comment "OMG thats so black!" We are NOT doing it as a hate comment. Its just something that is a product of growing up among other mostly white children. Children are MEAN! And this sterotype attitude develops at an early age. So we perpetuate them as we get older.
I have worked pretty hard to supress my anti blackness. Its not always easy. I sometimes say things that are insensitive. I actually physically cringe when I see 2 black people kissing each other. And tha happens a lot since I live in a part of chicago that many many MANY black people live in. But at the end of the day, I am glad they found what makes them happy.
I admit to being slightly racist. I wish black people every happiness in what they do, have, and want. But as a white man, I still have a hard time dealing with the image of two black people kissing.
On the flip side of that, and this is what I find ammusing. Put 2 asians in the mix, and most guys fantasies go nuts! Bill hicks put it best
2 black people kissing is evil
2 asians kissing is awesome.
Yet another stereotype among white people, but... well... there it is. And its not likely to change any time soon. Its simply human nature.
Most people who react to these types of statements, do so out of a choice to make a point. They are well aware of the social stigmas attached ( if unfairly ) to the black lifestyle. They choose to make a point of it, and be offended every time someone says something.
Hey Turin...that sure looks...different...that way, doesn't it? |
N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:16:00 -
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I found this BBC article very interesting. |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty
Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 27/08/2008 17:56:09 This thread is gay.
Sorry, I went there.
(P.S. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay).
I'm going past there. Homosexuals are gay.
From that article:
Quote: Why is my neighbor's wife so gay? --Chaucer.
AHA! It's all CHAUCER'S FAULT! He's the one that started it! Damn thee foul varlet Chaucer! Damn thee to Hades! |
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Carnal Nerve
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu This yutz doesn't get it. She wasn't picked on BECAUSE she is gay, she was picked on because she got OFFENDED over being called gay. Mistake one: don't fall for obvious trolling :l
Yeah, I don¦t see why people get offended if they are called gay, a lesbian or whatever. A better response in my opinion would be ¦so what of it?¦ If I get called a dyke I tell them to lock up their gf¦s before I come in and rescue the poor wenches.
It¦s as big a deal as you make of it (imo)
QFT, words only have as much power over you as you let them have.
And, "I tell them to lock up their gf's before I come in and rescue the poor wenches", ROFL. I love it! |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:22:00 -
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Trolling is trolling. I've been called plenty of nasty stuff in my time; we all have. You just ignore it, and maybe think of a witty retort. Letting it touch a nerve is just bad. ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver One
Being black is a weird thing in general for most caucasian men. It is human nature to attack something we cannot understand. And the bottom line is this. Most white people cannot, and will NEVER EVER understand why someone can prefer black people. We simply arent hardwired for it. So, instead we jest, make fun of, or attack it.
Most whites, myself included, will make some comment "OMG thats so black!" We are NOT doing it as a hate comment. Its just something that is a product of growing up among other mostly white children. Children are MEAN! And this sterotype attitude develops at an early age. So we perpetuate them as we get older.
I have worked pretty hard to supress my anti blackness. Its not always easy. I sometimes say things that are insensitive. I actually physically cringe when I see 2 black people kissing each other. And tha happens a lot since I live in a part of chicago that many many MANY black people live in. But at the end of the day, I am glad they found what makes them happy.
I admit to being slightly racist. I wish black people every happiness in what they do, have, and want. But as a white man, I still have a hard time dealing with the image of two black people kissing.
On the flip side of that, and this is what I find ammusing. Put 2 asians in the mix, and most guys fantasies go nuts! Bill hicks put it best
2 black people kissing is evil
2 asians kissing is awesome.
Yet another stereotype among white people, but... well... there it is. And its not likely to change any time soon. Its simply human nature.
Most people who react to these types of statements, do so out of a choice to make a point. They are well aware of the social stigmas attached ( if unfairly ) to the black lifestyle. They choose to make a point of it, and be offended every time someone says something.
Hey Turin...that sure looks...different...that way, doesn't it?
Gee your really clever. I would have never thought someone could be this clever. Give yourself a gold star.
I never said it was right. I just said it is human nature. And I was just being honest about my own feelings. I cannot help the way I feel. I cannot help that I dont like to see 2 men kissing. What do you want me to do about it? Fake it? I only mentioned it in the context of this thread because it is relevent. Not just to mention it. Just because I have un-easiness about it, doesnt mean I get in their face and be like "OMG YOU GAY ***! I HATE YOU!!!!" No. I stated. I wish them every happiness together. But it makes me feel the way it makes me feel and I cant help that. If most people could be so honest about their misgivings about things up front the world would be a much simpler place.
Go troll somewhere else.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Turin ...Go troll somewhere else.
Well, most of his post may have been a Troll, but at least ONE part was accurate:
Quote: 2 asians kissing is awesome.
But only if they are two asian women. YOWZA! *rimshot*
Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Reaver One
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:35:00 -
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Didn't mean to pick on you Turin, but I really wanted to call attention to the fact that so many people seem to feel completely comfortable being "slightly anti-gay".
I know that when I have a racist reaction to someone or something, I identify that thing in myself immediately, and really try to figure out where it came from and what I can do to change it. I don't think people do that when they get that same feeling about gay people, and that should be looked at...hard.
I'm guilty of it myself on occasion too, but that just don't make it right.
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Benco97
Gallente The Star League
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:35:00 -
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To be honest I feel that EVE is a pretty welcoming place for Homosexuals, nobody has ever given me any grief over it and if you join some of the in-game Gay channels you'll be surprised at some of the well known names in there, I know I was.
The person who wrote the article was just being an over-sensitive moron.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver One Didn't mean to pick on you Turin, but I really wanted to call attention to the fact that so many people seem to feel completely comfortable being "slightly anti-gay".
I know that when I have a racist reaction to someone or something, I identify that thing in myself immediately, and really try to figure out where it came from and what I can do to change it. I don't think people do that when they get that same feeling about gay people, and that should be looked at...hard.
I'm guilty of it myself on occasion too, but that just don't make it right.
I understand, and I have made this own effort in myself. The best I have managed to get to is simply this. If they found something that makes them happy, then I am happy for them. I dont feel they should stop doing what they are doing for MY comfort. But I cannot help that it makes me feel.... i dunno... gross somehow.
You are right though. There is more social acceptance for anti gay vrs racism.
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Phil Exon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:40:00 -
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yawn...nobody cares...'xept for a few self-declared agents of righteousness
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Laerise Stop backpaddling Eris, Jade has no right whatsoever to make a point against blunt and offensive statements on the internet being an offender himself.
I think you are mixing my character calling yours an "inbred slave-owning waste-of-skin" with out of character offense Laerise. But sure, in the wider sense I've sometimes lost my temper and sworn at people in private channels that true. But who doesn't? My point was that we need to work at not being influenced by pervasive negative stereotyping from the worst aspects of the community. Takes effort to avoid slipping into the lowest common denominator of verbal interaction - but its effort thats worth committing too.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Lesbian
Then I start ranting and calling people æbreedersÆ and ædamned heterosexualsÆ until I wise up and log off for a while to cool down.
LoL didnt know that "breeders" was an insult?! Wonder how she thought she came onto this earth. ****ing tube-babies for the win.
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