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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:05:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If highsec incursions are so risky already, I'm sure nobody would mind if CCP reduced the difficulty of sites, but made the sites function like lowsec. I mean, since you're already at so much risk adding in some opportunity for PVP into highsec incursions wouldn't be a huge problem.
Exactly. If the Sansha are able to take over entire systems they should be able to prevent Concord from showing up.
Good idea.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
407
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:05:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve.
Yes incursions are much more risky than nullsec anoms, lowsec ratting and sleeper sights. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
123
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:08:00 -
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Level 5 missions could produce far more ISK than Incursion because you can manufacture a lavel 5 mission. Not happening in EVE though because the "risk" (pvp barrier with a buzz word) blocks the content.
Incursions are hard enough that players need to field a hundred billion ISK to do one. Add any PvP and it becomes dead zone content just like level 5 missions.
Don't "nerf" them. Either leave them alone or remove them. We need more wasted content nobody does like I need another hole in my ass.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde
Habitat Against Humanity
76
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:10:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Yes highsec incursions are much more risky than nullsec anoms, lowsec ratting and wormhole sleeper sites.
No, because they're in highsec. Apples to oranges, sir.
Low/Null incursions, on the other hand...those are risky. Unless you're blue to whatever alliance is controlling the area, you can pretty much forget about it. I'd say those have more risk involved than wormholes, honestly. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:10:00 -
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Isn't Risk a board game?
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
362
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:12:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Yes highsec incursions are much more risky than nullsec anoms, lowsec ratting and wormhole sleeper sites.
The difference being of course that wormhole sleeper sites are genuinely dangerous, ratting in low sec is ridiculously dangerous and will get you about 20 million ISK an hour and null sec anomalies in NPC 0.0... well, good luck making any ISK with them.
Even SoV null sec anomalies will earn a solo pilot less isk/hour than high sec incursions. And before someone goes on about risk in sov null, yes, it does need to be made more dangerous. But at the moment it's also pretty worthless, when you can get more ISK without the hassle of building stations, logistics and sov warfare via high sec incursions.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
362
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:16:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Level 5 missions could produce far more ISK than Incursion because you can manufacture a lavel 5 mission. Not happening in EVE though because the "risk" (pvp barrier with a buzz word) blocks the content.
It doesn't "block" the content, I know plenty of people who run them constantly.
Ocih wrote:Incursions are hard enough that players need to field a hundred billion ISK to do one. Add any PvP and it becomes dead zone content just like level 5 missions.
Just like wormholes... oh wait, no, people run them too. Wormholes, unlike incursions, are genuinely dangerous and for c1-c3 you will earn pretty much the same amount of ISK.
Only with incursions you don't run out of sites and have to find another WH after a few hours.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
123
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:31:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Ocih wrote:Level 5 missions could produce far more ISK than Incursion because you can manufacture a lavel 5 mission. Not happening in EVE though because the "risk" (pvp barrier with a buzz word) blocks the content. It doesn't "block" the content, I know plenty of people who run them constantly. Ocih wrote:Incursions are hard enough that players need to field a hundred billion ISK to do one. Add any PvP and it becomes dead zone content just like level 5 missions. Just like wormholes... oh wait, no, people run them too. Wormholes, unlike incursions, are genuinely dangerous and for c1-c3 you will earn pretty much the same amount of ISK. Only with incursions you don't run out of sites and have to find another WH after a few hours.
Bullshit
"Plenty of people" is not a few dozen on a 30K login day. Nobody does them as a faucet.
Wormholes are not even close to the same thing as Incursions. Have fun finding someone in a Class 2 wormhole not because you can't scan them down once in the wormhole. The chances of youi finding that wormhole is a million to one. I can undock a T2 fit fleet from Jita and be in any incursion in an hr.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde
Habitat Against Humanity
76
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:38:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:The difference being of course that wormhole sleeper sites are genuinely dangerous
You do realize that a good number of the incursion sites are harder than any of the sleeper sites...?
A TCRC alpha wave has over 13,000 incoming dps, two battleships capable of neuting any ship to zero cap in seconds, seven other ships capable of neuting a cruiser to nothing, two jammers, four RR ships, 15-20 scrammers, and a boatload of webs. It's not uncommon for even a well tanked logi to get instapopped. Add to that the fact that shooting one wrong ship will bring even more spawns....
Simi Kusoni wrote:Only with incursions you don't run out of sites
Except...you do, in a sense. Vanguard systems are often crowded enough that there are literally no empty sites left in the system, and any that spawn instantly have 2-4 fleets warping to them. HQ and AS systems aren't so crowded, but both types have one site (True Power Provisional Headquarters and Nation Consolidation Network, respectively) that slows the fleet down to an effective 40m/hr or less. I've seen it as low as 20m/r for assaults running NCNs. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
362
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:49:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Bullshit
"Plenty of people" is not a few dozen on a 30K login day. Nobody does them as a faucet.
I lived in Aridia for a little bit, there were quite a few black legion guys down there that ran them constantly, and an entire alliance (monkey circus) dedicated to camping a single system and farming the level 5s there.
I've also got a few friends that used to run them in my old alliance, I never used to run them myself but that's because I prefer the RNG element of low/null sec exploration. Plus I get bored easily, and at least if I'm going around scanning I can bookmark crap sites, then come back later and kill people in them.
Ocih wrote:Wormholes are not even close to the same thing as Incursions. Have fun finding someone in a Class 2 wormhole not because you can't scan them down once in the wormhole. The chances of youi finding that wormhole is a million to one. I can undock a T2 fit fleet from Jita and be in any incursion in an hr.
Why would I be looking for a specific wormhole/person? You realize people don't hunt specific players, and that some people just roam through WH space looking for kills, right?
I can undock from Jita, go down to tasti and within 4-5 systems I'll have found a decent C3 WH to camp. Next person to run a site in there dies, bravo.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:The difference being of course that wormhole sleeper sites are genuinely dangerous You do realize that a good number of the incursion sites are harder than any of the sleeper sites...? A TCRC alpha wave has over 13,000 incoming dps, two battleships capable of neuting any ship to zero cap in seconds, seven other ships capable of neuting a cruiser to nothing, two jammers, four RR ships, 15-20 scrammers, and a boatload of webs. It's not uncommon for even a well tanked logi to get instapopped. Add to that the fact that shooting one wrong ship will bring even more spawns....
If you're in a WH and you're dying to sleepers, you're an idiot. The danger in wormholes doesn't come from NPCs, it comes from players.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3400
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Posted - 2012.03.25 21:52:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...
The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky.
If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Cipher Jones
381
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Hopefully TECH MOONS will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet , ATM machines they are today. Lucky we got a CSM to deal with the issue. I thought you said incursions for a minute. Yeah nobody fights over tech moons... And no players ships go poof in Incursions because there is no risk dying to rats of any kind isn't "risk" it's stupidity learn the difference
Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3400
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:30:00 -
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in nullsec we only have to deal with awoxers, hotdrops and bubbles, glad we don't have to deal with suicide gankers because that's awful
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3400
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:32:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
ahahaha logi disconnects that's grand
keep grasping at straws to defend your risk-free isk fountain
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2160
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:41:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you?
You highsec pubbies are hilarious.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
250
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:46:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
Are you for real? |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3403
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:46:00 -
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one time i forgot to fit a shield booster on my l4 tengu alt and it died
hisec missions are risky as **** man
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Endeavour Starfleet
728
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:49:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you? You highsec pubbies are hilarious.
Some goons not knowing anything about Incursions is even moreso.
You should learn a bit from your CSM Chairman. |
Endeavour Starfleet
728
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:52:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If highsec incursions are so risky already, I'm sure nobody would mind if CCP reduced the difficulty of sites, but made the sites function like lowsec. I mean, since you're already at so much risk adding in some opportunity for PVP into highsec incursions wouldn't be a huge problem.
No thanks this would just break incursions. Fix lowsec and nullsec before spreading their crap to grouping in hisec.
You want to get a ship kill against incursion runners? Tornado is that way ------> |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1080
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:08:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players.
Improperly vetted logistics pilots, suicide ganking catalysts, griffins or blackbirds: there are risks from other players in Incursions. Running Incursions in a pimped Nightmare is riskier than ratting in a tracking Titan, simply because you are required to trust people you don't know, and you can't shoot first to defend yourself from people who mean you harm.
Sure, the one time you lose that Titan it costs you a heck of a lot of ISK to replace it. So you be careful and watch intel channels, keep your eye on local, and GTFO if people you don't know come through.
Suggesting that hisec Incursions are "risk free" is disingenuous. Certainly, the rewards are phenomenal given the minimal effort required. On the positive side it gets hisec care bears to fly in fleets together and talk to each other. Then when you take the hisec Incursions away, some of them will venture out to low sec to try their luck. The built-in safety of constellation-wide cyno jammers provides a necessary safety blanket: while the Incursion runners might get ganked by roaming fleets of battleships, they know they won't get hot-dropped by Pandemic Legion or Goonswarm super capital fleets.
If you actually care about the absurd risk/reward ratio of hisec Incursions, you'd be out there interdicting them. Shut down the Incursion the moment the Kundalini Manifest makes its appearance. Suicide gank the fleets (the only ships you need to gank are one or two 20k EHP logistics boats). Have some sandcastle-kicking fun!
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DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks... The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.
Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : )
Risk is defined as:
riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:30:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:[quote=Andski]
[quote=Fronkfurter McSheebleton]Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...[/quote The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.[/quote Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : Risk is defined as riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : Risk is defined as riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. ------------------- By dictionary.com the loss of a ship is risk I'm right u are an itdiot ------------------- By dictionary.com the loss of a ship is risk I'm right u are an itdiot
foums saved drafts often suck try to read the above sigh
fix your Quote code man.
Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons? |
DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:36:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
fix your Quote code man.
Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons?
A lil bit    
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:39:00 -
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Quit with that emoticon **** and tell us how much you know about incursioning with goons? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:45:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you? You highsec pubbies are hilarious. Some goons not knowing anything about Incursions is even moreso. You should learn a bit from your CSM Chairman.
wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really,
theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe
sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged
if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis
if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs
christ really endavor butthurt if you don't know ask somebody.
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DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:47:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Quit with that emoticon **** and tell us how much you know about incursioning with goons?
A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away I've been in hi sec vanguards with a Goon in same fleet( before incarna). A main even.
Been invited to lo sec fleets with goons but was a bit leery
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3403
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:48:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks... The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot. Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : ) Risk is defined as: riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk.
and you're a worthless risk-averse mouth breathing pubbie
bye
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DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks... The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot. Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : ) Risk is defined as: riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. and you're a worthless risk-averse mouth breathing pubbie bye
U MAD BRO?
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:52:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Quit with that emoticon **** and tell us how much you know about incursioning with goons? A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away I've been in hi sec vanguards with a Goon in same fleet( before incarna). A main even. Been invited to lo sec fleets with goons but was a bit leery
So basically you were in a highsec incursion with a goon a really, really long time ago, and don't know anything about it since.
Okay, glad we cleared that up. |
DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:01:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really,
theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe
sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged
if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis
if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs
christ really endavor butthurt if you don't know ask somebody.
You should try a NCN that won't work at all & your fleet will die
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