Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue.

So you think CCP is going to mandate players shoot each other to gain the incursion rewards??

Would be interesting

I don't really care about the mechanics but people shouldn't be able to make that much isk in a risk-free environment.

John Lander just announced "Iteration on Incursions" coming in the pre-patch (April)

SOOO what are your predictions?


I will start:

Scout sites get a boost
Vanguards will not be blitzed in 3min.
Assault/HQ changes (no idea)

I missed hearing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING being said about Incursions! What time was this mentioned ????

CCP should be forced to provide risk in EVE. Since highsec is risk free we obviously cannot leave it up to the players themselves.

Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue.

I thought you said tech moons for a minute.

Yeah nobody fights over tech moons...

And no players ships go poof in Incursions because there is no risk

It would be sweet if they weighted the spawning mechanic to favor low or null.

VG nerf.
The intresting thing will be the new modules coming oout on the next expansion. John Lander promised big chances in fleet composations.

And no players ships ever go poof in Incursions because there is no risk

Correct. Assuming you're talking about high sec incursions.

And no players ships go poof in Incursions because there is no risk

The only legitimate risk in EVE is provided by players. PVE isn't risky unless players able to kill you while you are doing it.

lol legitmate risk lol illegimate risk is whatever u call it lol... lets all start defining risk as whatever the next troll calls it or the 2 preivous troll posts

Tell us how risky high sec is.

Jita is where the largest amount of BOOM happens according to Econ Presentation.

Just sayin'

Jita is where the largest amount of BOOM happens according to Econ Presentation.

Just sayin'

lol legitmate risk lol illegimate risk is whatever u call it lol... lets all start defining risk as whatever the next troll calls it or the 2 preivous troll posts

I have lost one ship in jita in 6 years.

How many incursions have spawned in Jita?

cauz really your 0.0 are risky when you farming like pigz? with cyno jam, the 20 large bbl T2 n each gate, the afk cloak?

cauz really your 0.0 are risky when you farming like pigz? with cyno jam, the 20 large bbl T2 n each gate, the afk cloak?

you are just mad to not be able to gank ppl without risk like you do with miners.

so shut up and return in your cave

lol you think people actually do that

so, so dumb

haven't visited deklein for a while but I know last time I was there the high npc kill system for both goons and TNT were like that..same with fcon and FA systems in pb and cr

so, you are dumbbb

haven't visited deklein for a while but I know last time I was there the high npc kill system for both goons and TNT were like that..same with fcon and FA systems in pb and cr

so, you are dumbbb

You could just ask DariusIII about the billions in lost ships his fleet suffered when he went up against an incursion mom fleet in high sec.

He'd tried it a few times by then and was losing his logi everytime, often more than once per site.

How does a high npc kill rate have anything to do with safety? Are you implying we have some magic system of keeping hostiles out of those systems?

You do have magic ways of not being in space when reds are nearby. Unless you're a doofus and aren't watching intel channels.

Idiots get killed every day in our space. Just because dotlan shows a bunch of NPC kills doesn't mean people are spending hours at a time completely safe from hostile roamers.

But all this stuff about nullsec is a derail. We're supposed to be talking about how dangerous high sec incursions are.

You do have magic ways of not being in space when reds are nearby. Unless you're a doofus and aren't watching intel channels.

BOT magic

I think cloaky AFKshould be allowed in all sec systems & anyone that complains about them are BOT supporters TBH

Anyone who says highsec incursions are not risky has obviously never run an assault or hq site more than once. Ships are lost all the time in many of those sites as organization has to be near perfect to pull them off.

cauz really your 0.0 are risky when you farming like pigz? with cyno jam, the 20 large bbl T2 n each gate, the afk cloak?

you are just mad to not be able to gank ppl without risk like you do with miners.

so shut up and return in your cave

I missed hearing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING being said about Incursions in all of fanfest! What time was this mentioned ????

Maybe Iteration means that there will be a new pirate faction or Sleeper Incursion? Maybe a Jovian Incursion will replace Sansha after a Sansha Titan gets taken down I hopes :)

- Primary goal is survival from bloodthirsty female avatars with fangs.

When people talk about risk in Eve they are talking about risk from other players. Anybody who loses their ship to an NPC is dumb...it has nothing to do with risk.

I think people do that. I've seen them do it all the time. Nothing new. It's the same "risk free" isk as incursions.

My prediction: CCP keeps track of everyone in this thread who claims high sec incursions are risky and then, on the night of the patch, transports them in their shiny pirate faction battle ships into the heart of syndicate. At the very least such an approach might get them them to re-evaluate their definitions of the word "risk".

(Hint: risk involves losing a ship occasionally)

Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie

I've taken shiney's through the NULL SEC pipe in syndicate to get to Incursions in Solitude. It was fun& scary. I parked them there & now when I feel like it I cov op through sydicate to do the pocket incursions when they pop up there.

Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie

If incursions have so much risk, why do incursion runners have so few losses on their killboards?

Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards?

Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault?

Low sec and null incursions have risk from other players. High sec incursions do not.

You should try leaving high sec once in a while to see what's really out there.

I have in lo sec saw Villy there in system a few times in system local
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1103/2011.02.26.21.22.36.jpg

Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards?

Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault?

CCP should be forced to provide risk in EVE. Since highsec is risk free we obviously cannot leave it up to the players themselves.

Sandboxes are dumb amirite?

If you've been to lowsec then you should understand the difference between risk in lowsec and "risk" in highsec.

Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs?

Of course there is diffferent risk gotta keep eyes out on local numbers all the time for one. It is different risk but it is still risk. lo & null didn't have the aggro mechanics problems that hi sec had for ahile either & that too carried alot of risk until we were forced to create 'ban lists' which I hate or the rules against peeps war decked in fleet WHICH I ESPECIALLY HATE
The summer change in wardecking is going to be VERY interesting in what it does to incursion FC's that's for sure

Why do the number of ship/pod kills in incursion systems not differ from the surrounding areas?

lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :)

Congrats to Ladie Harlot for hijacking another thread. Is it possible that the goons are threatened by hi sec incursions? Is it possible that hi sec incursions prevent goons from monopolizing isk faucets?

How is that a straw man argument? .

lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :)

You are the one arguing that players are somehow risking their ships by fighting only NPCs.

Yep & players have ships die occasionally in incursions ergo they are risking ships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man you replaced one arguemnt about risk with another

No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players.

Risk means much more than that. Look it up.

Risk means much more than that. Look it up.

EDIT: I agree with Harlot and Simi in that the risk of losing your ship in Incursions is quite low. There are occasional bad fleets where you lose three or four ships in a row, but it is nothing compared to PvP where you undock with the expectation to lose your ship.

If highsec incursions are so risky already, I'm sure nobody would mind if CCP reduced the difficulty of sites, but made the sites function like lowsec. I mean, since you're already at so much risk adding in some opportunity for PVP into highsec incursions wouldn't be a huge problem.

Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve.

Yes highsec incursions are much more risky than nullsec anoms, lowsec ratting and wormhole sleeper sites.

Yes highsec incursions are much more risky than nullsec anoms, lowsec ratting and wormhole sleeper sites.

Level 5 missions could produce far more ISK than Incursion because you can manufacture a lavel 5 mission. Not happening in EVE though because the "risk" (pvp barrier with a buzz word) blocks the content.

Incursions are hard enough that players need to field a hundred billion ISK to do one. Add any PvP and it becomes dead zone content just like level 5 missions.

It doesn't "block" the content, I know plenty of people who run them constantly.


Just like wormholes... oh wait, no, people run them too. Wormholes, unlike incursions, are genuinely dangerous and for c1-c3 you will earn pretty much the same amount of ISK.

Only with incursions you don't run out of sites and have to find another WH after a few hours.

The difference being of course that wormhole sleeper sites are genuinely dangerous

Only with incursions you don't run out of sites

Bullshit

"Plenty of people" is not a few dozen on a 30K login day. Nobody does them as a faucet.

Wormholes are not even close to the same thing as Incursions. Have fun finding someone in a Class 2 wormhole not because you can't scan them down once in the wormhole. The chances of youi finding that wormhole is a million to one. I can undock a T2 fit fleet from Jita and be in any incursion in an hr.

You do realize that a good number of the incursion sites are harder than any of the sleeper sites...?

A TCRC alpha wave has over 13,000 incoming dps, two battleships capable of neuting any ship to zero cap in seconds, seven other ships capable of neuting a cruiser to nothing, two jammers, four RR ships, 15-20 scrammers, and a boatload of webs. It's not uncommon for even a well tanked logi to get instapopped. Add to that the fact that shooting one wrong ship will bring even more spawns....

Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...

dying to rats of any kind isn't "risk" it's stupidity

learn the difference

Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.

Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.

Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.

Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you?

You highsec pubbies are hilarious.

If highsec incursions are so risky already, I'm sure nobody would mind if CCP reduced the difficulty of sites, but made the sites function like lowsec. I mean, since you're already at so much risk adding in some opportunity for PVP into highsec incursions wouldn't be a huge problem.

No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players.

The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.

[quote=Andski]
[quote=Fronkfurter McSheebleton]Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...[/quote The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.[/quote Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : Risk is defined as riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : Risk is defined as riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. ------------------- By dictionary.com the loss of a ship is risk I'm right u are an itdiot ------------------- By dictionary.com the loss of a ship is risk I'm right u are an itdiot



foums saved drafts often suck try to read the above sigh

fix your Quote code man.

Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons?

A lil bit

Some goons not knowing anything about Incursions is even moreso.

You should learn a bit from your CSM Chairman.

Quit with that emoticon **** and tell us how much you know about incursioning with goons?

Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : )
Risk is defined as:
riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk.

and you're a worthless risk-averse mouth breathing pubbie

bye

A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away I've been in hi sec vanguards with a Goon in same fleet( before incarna). A main even.
Been invited to lo sec fleets with goons but was a bit leery

wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really,
theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe
sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged
if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis
if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs

christ really endavor butthurt if you don't know ask somebody.

U MAD BRO?

So basically you were in a highsec incursion with a goon a really, really long time ago, and don't know anything about it since.

Okay, glad we cleared that up.

Well actually there is more but I'm not going to talk about it

U MAD BRO?

wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really,
theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe
sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged
if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis
if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs

Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you?

You highsec pubbies are hilarious.

This. Nuff said

The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky.

If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.

U r stupid

Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue.

I don't understand how High Sec incursions are an issue? Personally, they help me to fund for a reason to join low sec roams or even participate in PVP. What happens if I lost every cent of isk I have, and lost all of my ships because I have no way to fund myself in high sec? I don't mine or any of that. I shoot to kill. Missions? Yeah... no. That's not enough.

wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really,
theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe
sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged
if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis
if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs

christ really endavor butthurt if you don't know ask somebody.

I don't understand how High Sec incursions are an issue? Personally, they help me to fund for a reason to join low sec roams or even participate in PVP. What happens if I lost every cent of isk I have, and lost all of my ships because I have no way to fund myself in high sec? I don't mine or any of that. I shoot to kill. Missions? Yeah... no. That's not enough.

I don't really care about the mechanics but people shouldn't be able to make that much isk in a risk-free environment.

The point is that once, when Eve was truly a sandbox, high level PvE and PvP were inseparable. Now it just smacks of instancing and ISK grinding.

Where once you were competing against other players, attempting to avoid their attempts to kill you and make ISK regardless, now there are vast low-value PvP zones (low and null) and PvE high sec raids. It's just instancing dressed up pretty and marketed as "sandbox" style game play. It is not.

For individual players the only high profit low/null sec activity that competes with incursions is exploration, and that is instanced too. Any competent explorer sticks an alt on the acceleration gate, has ECM drones and moves around by cyno or in a nulli T3. There is no risk there either.

PvE has gone down hill in this game purely because now it is no longer integrated with PvP, the two primary elements of Eve are slowly being separated and personally I think it makes PvE one hell of a lot more boring. NPCs are simply not interesting, nor are they a challenge.

I want PvE to be difficult again

So you're saying we should ban theta?

I was going to post a link to a youtube vid of Bruce Springsteen singing "Glory Days", but I am not sure if you would have gotten the reference.

There was never a time when PVE and PVP were inseperable.

For individual players incursions are worth less than L3 missions.

Nobody stops you from fitting for PVP while doing PVE content in places where people want to shoot you.

I predict no matter how much CCP nerfs Incursions it won't be enough for everyone in WhiteHoles & Null and they will cry & throw Incursions under the bus in order to deflect attention at thier Income Faucets be it Nanoribbons, blue loot, moon goo or bounties.
This is Forum PvP and CCP reacting to a bunch of whiners which make up less then 1% of Eve just like they listened to those that forced the banning of you know who for 30 days.

If any area has little risk, it is because the players are unwilling to provide it. It does not matter what the system security number is.

If you believe nano ribbons or escalation items are "isk faucets" then I strongly advise that you biomass immediately.

If you believe nano ribbons or escalation items are not "income faucets" like I said ( not ISK faucets dumbarse learn to read & quote correctly ) then I strongly advise that you biomass immediately.

*grins*
Oooh, I see a bright future for incursions given it's all done properly.
It is one cause I have fought for so long and sacrificed so much on.

Woo \o/!

You sir, are and idiot. lrn2terminology, do not make up your own.

Ribbons and deadspace loot prices are decided by supply and demand, hence not a faucet in terms of income..

So you honestly can't see the difference between, say, mining veldspar and receiving set bounties/payouts in pure ISK? Lol gtfo.

So you are honestly telling me that mining does not produce income in the form of minerals? lol of course there are differences & your conclusions that I don't understand them are unfounded in your zeal to protect your golden goose.
At least I'm not trying to say Incursions are not something they are which you seem to be with sleeper incomes

And if youcant understand the difference between market goods and isk faucets i suggest you do a little back ground research. I cannot be bothered to explain it to you, especially when in typing on my phone.

Yes, there was a time. When I first came to Eve high sec was low profit, and in order to make reasonable amounts of ISK I was forced to risk my ship belt ratting in null. This created logistical issues in transporting loot, moving PvE ships rendered them vulnerable to gate camps and every now and then interceptor/AF gangs would jump in, blitz the anoms and find me before I warped out.

So artificial restraints designed to prevent or inhibit player versus player combat have no impact on player versus player combat... gotcha.

Now I just JC to high sec

There is no difference in game mechanics between null and highsec. If someone has the means and desire to violence you, they will. The only difference is your perception of who is a threat and who is not. You assume that the nuetral in 0.0 will violence you while the nuetral in highsec will not.

As to your losses, it seems to me that was a consequence of ignorance, lack of proper prevention methods, or inattention. Even so, your death was not a function of PVE. It was a function of undocking.

There are no artificial restraints that prevent you from shooting someone. SInce shooting others is not prevented, then it merely means that a player is unwilling to shoot another player given the consequences. Let me put this in a way you might understand:

An AFK cloaker in your 0.0 home system does not prevent you from undocking and mining/ratting. If the AFK cloaker inhibits anyone from doing these activities, it is not the cloakers doing. Rather, it is entirely on the shoulders of the players who are unwilling to undock in said circumstance.

Besides, it isn't like there are not ways to shoot people without getting GCC.

You pine for the good ol days when PVE had risk, and then JC to the place you complain has no risk? By far this is my favorite part.

And the winners are......

http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

Vanguards take longer.
Assualts are shorter.
Vanguards got an ISK nerf.

Slightly off topic, but did I miss something (FF video, blog, etc) that would have hinted on the removal of meta 0 loot at this time?

I guess Aliens.

Definitely Aliens. It will be like finding the invading fleet from "Independence Day" except they will have neuts and webs.

You read it here first!

Nothing in the videos I saw. Or, at least, no hint that did not require a fair amount of tinfoil.



I need more tinfoil.

Should be interesting to see the exact details and what CCP derp'd about (if anything) when designing them.

Should also be interesting to see if there is any change in distribution. I will have to remember to bug Diagoras after a couple months about this.

Good first step. Next they should remove them from hisec completely.

can someone explain to me whats so wrong with getting rich in a safe environment? do you people care about our business that dearly? You follow us, mock us, insult us, yet i bet half your contacts rely on Incursions in EvE. Maybe you havent played incursions. Maybe you werent picked up because you had a bad fit. But why do many of you detest what I see as an oppurtunity. To say this in the most respectful manner, the ones who detest us, mock us, insult us, and complain about us truly are blind. EVE wasnt made for us to go all shoot each other. Its a game, and the last time i checked, games are supposed to be fun.

can someone explain to me whats so wrong with getting rich in a safe environment?.

Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue.

Pond Scum learned to talk? WOW!!!!!

Incursions is not the isk faucet you GOONS make it sound like. Bounty rewards are the highest of all of the isk faucets.

It is agreeable that the Incursions need some tweaking. what ever happens you will still be butt hurt over it cause you fail at makin isk the legitimate way.

Now as for Incursions being risk free. if you have not ever ran one then you have no idea how much risk is involved. I have seen the flaunted marauders get popped in Assaults or HQ sites. Logi ships whether they are Oni, gaurd, basi, scimmi get popped. all of this is due to one reason. you failed to listen to the FC, fail to broadcast you need some reps of some sort, fail to put on a decent tank for the Assault/HQ sites

Good first step. Next they should remove them from hisec completely.

Raid grinding? never thought of that but then again i tend to try and block out my WoW days. Still kinda hurts the brain.

I still think you are missing something i must dig for them handy dandy graphs that CCP did up on the ISK thing while everyone who has jumped on the brainless GOON band wagon has done nothing really to research this natural thing of people coming together and having.

But it is for the GOON and their personality disorder (alts) to bully their way around and ruin the game for others. it is not just one person or group to tell you or me how to play or where to play. From what i have seen a few of the power block alliances wish to make the lives of those who play in empire space miserable hence the sand box.

So the empire does not make as much isk in the incursion but have ya looked at the low sec incursion? more risk then empire more isk. 0.0 incursion more risk then low sec but also more isk.

Why are these not ran? Well pirates will just shoot anything in low sec for juicy kill mails. 0.0 will shot you cause you are not blue and to get blue to must pay tribute

As for the bounty rewards most of it was generated in them Sanctum/Havens in 0.0 space. maybe these need to be relooked at and nerfed

10% cut in bounties



I agree. Then remove the tech moons afterward

If we dont get a faucet you dont get infinite income.

I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. Not like we haven't been yelling about the stupidity of the tech bottleneck for years or anything.

Wait, was your post supposed to make me reflect on how wrong my position was? Welp.

10% cut in bounties



I agree. Then remove the tech moons afterward

If we dont get a faucet you dont get infinite income.

Translation: I'm butthurt and everybody else should be too *sniff*

Get a grip

Translation: Im butthurt you can make isk in highsec

take yer own advice

Bounty rewards cover almost every aspect of the game, and whilst they are nearly three times the size of the ISK income from incursions they are earned by a much larger portion of Eve's population..

Well the number of peeps living in WormHoles is half the number of people that have done Incursions and the ISK faucet is the same 8-10 trillion per month by extending your arguement to W-space...

Well the number of peeps living in WormHoles is half the number of people that have done Incursions and the ISK faucet is the same 8-10 trillion per month by extending your arguement to W-space...

Well the number of peeps living in WormHoles is half the number of people that have done Incursions and the ISK faucet is the same 8-10 trillion per month by extending your arguement to W-space...