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Grey Stormshadow draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1067	Posted - 2012.03.25 18:33:00 - [61] - Quote Just give death ray of doom to sansha. People stop doing incursions when they experience helldeathpodkill immediately after entering the site. Get
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 360	Posted - 2012.03.25 18:36:00 - [62] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: - Primary goal is survival from bloodthirsty female avatars with fangs. You, good sir, sound as though you are in desperate need of a cold shower. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg
Grey Stormshadow draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1067	Posted - 2012.03.25 18:43:00 - [63] - Quote Naa I just troll you with "teen"-rated comments which contain some "violence". edit: just to be clear - no nudity. Get
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 18:46:00 - [64] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Chandaris wrote: Anyone who says highsec incursions are not risky has obviously never run an assault or hq site more than once. Ships are lost all the time in many of those sites as organization has to be near perfect to pull them off. When people talk about risk in Eve they are talking about risk from other players. Anybody who loses their ship to an NPC is dumb...it has nothing to do with risk. Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Tobiaz Spacerats 64	Posted - 2012.03.25 18:53:00 - [65] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Tetragammatron Prime wrote: Andski wrote: Kendra Wilkinson wrote: cauz really your 0.0 are risky when you farming like pigz? with cyno jam, the 20 large bbl T2 n each gate, the afk cloak? you are just mad to not be able to gank ppl without risk like you do with miners. so shut up and return in your cave lol you think people actually do that so, so dumb haven't visited deklein for a while but I know last time I was there the high npc kill system for both goons and TNT were like that..same with fcon and FA systems in pb and cr so, you are dumbbb I think people do that. I've seen them do it all the time. Nothing new. It's the same "risk free" isk as incursions. Maybe as risk-free, but it's the absolute opposite in terms of required effort and cooperation to make it that safe. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures!
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 18:56:00 - [66] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: My prediction: CCP keeps track of everyone in this thread who claims high sec incursions are risky and then, on the night of the patch, transports them in their shiny pirate faction battle ships into the heart of syndicate. At the very least such an approach might get them them to re-evaluate their definitions of the word "risk". (Hint: risk involves losing a ship occasionally) I've taken shiney's through the NULL SEC pipe in syndicate to get to Incursions in Solitude. It was fun& scary. I parked them there & now when I feel like it I cov op through sydicate to do the pocket incursions when they pop up there. ===================== But back to wishfull predictions: I hope VG's get some randomness added in the form of occasional Outuni or extra Maras showingup in NCOs & NMCs. Maybe a Vyladien should occasionally replace the last Deltole in OTA's To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 360	Posted - 2012.03.25 19:06:00 - [67] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie If incursions have so much risk, why do incursion runners have so few losses on their killboards? And why do the number of ship/pod kills in incursion systems not differ from the surrounding areas? And, FYI, we've all run incursions. We know they aren't dangerous. DarthNefarius wrote: I've taken shiney's through the NULL SEC pipe in syndicate to get to Incursions in Solitude. It was fun& scary. I parked them there & now when I feel like it I cov op through sydicate to do the pocket incursions when they pop up there. Yeah, the TXW entrance is rarely camped, and it's mostly empty through the 5j to solitude. Trying coming in through PF-346 and reaching the same destination :D -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2157	Posted - 2012.03.25 19:41:00 - [68] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Low sec and null incursions have risk from other players. High sec incursions do not. You should try leaving high sec once in a while to see what's really out there. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:14:00 - [69] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: If incursions have so much risk, why do incursion runners have so few losses on their killboards? Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards? Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2157	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:21:00 - [70] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: If incursions have so much risk, why do incursion runners have so few losses on their killboards? Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards? Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault? Getting killed by rats doesn't equal risk. People losing ships to rats are just dumb. I just realized you're the same dude who made the hilarious "titan nerf is kowtowing to goons" thread. lol The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:26:00 - [71] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Low sec and null incursions have risk from other players. High sec incursions do not. You should try leaving high sec once in a while to see what's really out there. Been thru null a few times don't wanna move there yet but I'll probably change my midn eventually again. I have been in lo sec incursions saw Villy there in system a few times in system local http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1103/2011.02.26.21.22.36.jpg above was MOM loot I recall right before the goons got the first revenant BPC ( unfortunely not my screenshot its was evemailed to me :) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2158	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:28:00 - [72] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Low sec and null incursions have risk from other players. High sec incursions do not. You should try leaving high sec once in a while to see what's really out there. I have in lo sec saw Villy there in system a few times in system local http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1103/2011.02.26.21.22.36.jpg If you've been to lowsec then you should understand the difference between risk in lowsec and "risk" in highsec. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 360	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:33:00 - [73] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards? Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault? Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs? -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 280	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:35:00 - [74] - Quote Zircon Dasher wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Zircon Dasher wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue. So you think CCP is going to mandate players shoot each other to gain the incursion rewards?? Would be interesting I don't really care about the mechanics but people shouldn't be able to make that much isk in a risk-free environment. CCP should be forced to provide risk in EVE. Since highsec is risk free we obviously cannot leave it up to the players themselves. Sandboxes are dumb amirite? It would be pretty simple to allow for risk and keep the sandbox: lower the SS of the empire incursion systems to below 0.5.
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:36:00 - [75] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: If you've been to lowsec then you should understand the difference between risk in lowsec and "risk" in highsec. Of course there is diffferent risk gotta keep eyes out on local numbers all the time for one. It is different risk but it is still risk. lo & null didn't have the aggro mechanics problems that hi sec had for ahile either & that too carried alot of risk until we were forced to create 'ban lists' which I hate or the rules against peeps war decked in fleet WHICH I ESPECIALLY HATE The summer change in wardecking is going to be VERY interesting in what it does to incursion FC's that's for sure On my kill board you have to go very far back to see the last Harbi I had that died in a lo sec incursion. Most my deaths lately been from moving from pocket to pocket incursions in NULL in co op ships stuck in bubbles surrounded by cans i think but I would have to check to be sure. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Aedin Dallocort Colonic Hyperbole 2	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:42:00 - [76] - Quote Congrats to Ladie Harlot for hijacking another thread. Is it possible that the goons are threatened by hi sec incursions? Is it possible that hi sec incursions prevent goons from monopolizing isk faucets? Why is it that they're so butt hurt over this topic? Goon tears are best tears - I hope your make-up is water proof, Ladie Harlot. Also, if you cried less, your cheeks might not be quite so puffy. Oh, some version of some the ideas in the incursion suggestion post will be implemented. Also, some of them will be dismissed. Thats my prediction, for what its worth.
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:43:00 - [77] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards? Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault? Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs? lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 360	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:44:00 - [78] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Of course there is diffferent risk gotta keep eyes out on local numbers all the time for one. It is different risk but it is still risk. lo & null didn't have the aggro mechanics problems that hi sec had for ahile either & that too carried alot of risk until we were forced to create 'ban lists' which I hate or the rules against peeps war decked in fleet WHICH I ESPECIALLY HATE The summer change in wardecking is going to be VERY interesting in what it does to incursion FC's that's for sure Aggro mechanics problems? Yeah you're right, in low sec and null sec it's really hard to stop concord from... OH WAIT NO. And war decs? That isn't risk, I had tonnes of active war decs when I was running incursions, I created a 0 tax alt corp especially for hopping into to run them. (It also helps that my main corp was banned from BTL Pub, so corp hopping was necessary) Nothing that you're coming up with is even remotely risky. Dying to NPCs, really? I'm just gonna copy pasta what I said earlier: Simi Kusoni wrote: Why do the number of ship/pod kills in incursion systems not differ from the surrounding areas? -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 362	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:47:00 - [79] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs? lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :) How is that a straw man argument? This game should not be balanced around the lowest common denominators, ignoring the fact that losing ships to incursion rats is extremely rare anyway, it is at the very least extremely rare for players with any experience. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:48:00 - [80] - Quote Aedin Dallocort wrote: Congrats to Ladie Harlot for hijacking another thread. Is it possible that the goons are threatened by hi sec incursions? Is it possible that hi sec incursions prevent goons from monopolizing isk faucets? Nah goons have alot of alts that are doing hi sec incursions. Occasionally a few mains too. ( haven't seen one lately TBH ) Last I heard from the CEO of goons was he liked incursions mostly because unlike missions they are pretty much unbottable. Ladie is just a goon being a goon sometimes ( more often then not like andski ) I guess I should feed the trolls but so,etimes I need a break from all therisk FCing incursions so I post here To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:51:00 - [81] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs? lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :) How is that a straw man argument? . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man you replaced one arguemnt about risk with another unrelated arguement To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2158	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:53:00 - [82] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards? Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault? Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs? lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :) You are the one arguing that players are somehow risking their ships by fighting only NPCs. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
DarthNefarius 101	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:57:00 - [83] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards? Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault? Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs? lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :) You are the one arguing that players are somehow risking their ships by fighting only NPCs. Yep & players have ships die occasionally in incursions ergo they are risking ships. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2158	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:58:00 - [84] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards? Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault? Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs? lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :) You are the one arguing that players are somehow risking their ships by fighting only NPCs. Yep & players have ships die occasionally in incursions ergo they are risking ships. No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 362	Posted - 2012.03.25 20:59:00 - [85] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man you replaced one arguemnt about risk with another Not so much, you claim incursions are srs bizness risk because you lost a Bhaalgorn once. I propose that the game shouldn't be balanced around people that are that bad at Eve, because for the average player losing a ship in an incursion is an extremely rare occurrence, if it ever happens at all. And besides, pretending ship losses are a common occurrence in incursions is somewhat futile, we have all run incursions ourselves and are well aware of the fact that you are lying. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 381	Posted - 2012.03.25 21:00:00 - [86] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players. Risk means much more than that. Look it up. EDIT: I agree with Harlot and Simi in that the risk of losing your ship in Incursions is quite low. There are occasional bad fleets where you lose three or four ships in a row, but it is nothing compared to PvP where you undock with the expectation to lose your ship.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 407	Posted - 2012.03.25 21:01:00 - [87] - Quote If highsec incursions are so risky already, I'm sure nobody would mind if CCP reduced the difficulty of sites, but made the sites function like lowsec. I mean, since you're already at so much risk we may adding in some opportunity for PVP into highsec incursions wouldn't be a huge problem.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity 76	Posted - 2012.03.25 21:03:00 - [88] - Quote Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks... Add to that, it's not like every incursion runner makes a consistent 120m+ all the time. You only get that with a high end blitz fleet, an un-crowded system(not common), and a good run of whatever site your fleet is set up for. I'd guess that the average is more like 70-80m/hr for the average fleet on a normal day, once you factor in contests, lack of sites, and fleet downtime/forming up. That's not a whole lot more more than a mission runner with a similarly expensive ship, which is about right, considering missions have (again, relatively) much less risk involved, can be done solo, and are always available nearby.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 280	Posted - 2012.03.25 21:04:00 - [89] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players. Risk means much more than that. Look it up. You are confused. This is a discussion of game mechanics.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2158	Posted - 2012.03.25 21:04:00 - [90] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players. Risk means much more than that. Look it up. EDIT: I agree with Harlot and Simi in that the risk of losing your ship in Incursions is quite low. There are occasional bad fleets where you lose three or four ships in a row, but it is nothing compared to PvP where you undock with the expectation to lose your ship. Losing your ship to npcs doesn't count. That just means you don't know how to play. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

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