Yes, there was a time. When I first came to Eve high sec was low profit, and in order to make reasonable amounts of ISK I was forced to risk my ship belt ratting in null. This created logistical issues in transporting loot, moving PvE ships rendered them vulnerable to gate camps and every now and then interceptor/AF gangs would jump in, blitz the anoms and find me before I warped out.

So artificial restraints designed to prevent or inhibit player versus player combat have no impact on player versus player combat... gotcha.

Now I just JC to high sec

There is no difference in game mechanics between null and highsec. If someone has the means and desire to violence you, they will. The only difference is your perception of who is a threat and who is not. You assume that the nuetral in 0.0 will violence you while the nuetral in highsec will not.

As to your losses, it seems to me that was a consequence of ignorance, lack of proper prevention methods, or inattention. Even so, your death was not a function of PVE. It was a function of undocking.

There are no artificial restraints that prevent you from shooting someone. SInce shooting others is not prevented, then it merely means that a player is unwilling to shoot another player given the consequences. Let me put this in a way you might understand:

An AFK cloaker in your 0.0 home system does not prevent you from undocking and mining/ratting. If the AFK cloaker inhibits anyone from doing these activities, it is not the cloakers doing. Rather, it is entirely on the shoulders of the players who are unwilling to undock in said circumstance.

Besides, it isn't like there are not ways to shoot people without getting GCC.

You pine for the good ol days when PVE had risk, and then JC to the place you complain has no risk? By far this is my favorite part.

And the winners are......

http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

Vanguards take longer.
Assualts are shorter.
Vanguards got an ISK nerf.

Slightly off topic, but did I miss something (FF video, blog, etc) that would have hinted on the removal of meta 0 loot at this time?

I guess Aliens.

Definitely Aliens. It will be like finding the invading fleet from "Independence Day" except they will have neuts and webs.

You read it here first!

Nothing in the videos I saw. Or, at least, no hint that did not require a fair amount of tinfoil.



I need more tinfoil.

Should be interesting to see the exact details and what CCP derp'd about (if anything) when designing them.

Should also be interesting to see if there is any change in distribution. I will have to remember to bug Diagoras after a couple months about this.

Good first step. Next they should remove them from hisec completely.

can someone explain to me whats so wrong with getting rich in a safe environment? do you people care about our business that dearly? You follow us, mock us, insult us, yet i bet half your contacts rely on Incursions in EvE. Maybe you havent played incursions. Maybe you werent picked up because you had a bad fit. But why do many of you detest what I see as an oppurtunity. To say this in the most respectful manner, the ones who detest us, mock us, insult us, and complain about us truly are blind. EVE wasnt made for us to go all shoot each other. Its a game, and the last time i checked, games are supposed to be fun.

can someone explain to me whats so wrong with getting rich in a safe environment?.

Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue.

Pond Scum learned to talk? WOW!!!!!

Incursions is not the isk faucet you GOONS make it sound like. Bounty rewards are the highest of all of the isk faucets.

It is agreeable that the Incursions need some tweaking. what ever happens you will still be butt hurt over it cause you fail at makin isk the legitimate way.

Now as for Incursions being risk free. if you have not ever ran one then you have no idea how much risk is involved. I have seen the flaunted marauders get popped in Assaults or HQ sites. Logi ships whether they are Oni, gaurd, basi, scimmi get popped. all of this is due to one reason. you failed to listen to the FC, fail to broadcast you need some reps of some sort, fail to put on a decent tank for the Assault/HQ sites

Good first step. Next they should remove them from hisec completely.

Raid grinding? never thought of that but then again i tend to try and block out my WoW days. Still kinda hurts the brain.

I still think you are missing something i must dig for them handy dandy graphs that CCP did up on the ISK thing while everyone who has jumped on the brainless GOON band wagon has done nothing really to research this natural thing of people coming together and having.

But it is for the GOON and their personality disorder (alts) to bully their way around and ruin the game for others. it is not just one person or group to tell you or me how to play or where to play. From what i have seen a few of the power block alliances wish to make the lives of those who play in empire space miserable hence the sand box.

So the empire does not make as much isk in the incursion but have ya looked at the low sec incursion? more risk then empire more isk. 0.0 incursion more risk then low sec but also more isk.

Why are these not ran? Well pirates will just shoot anything in low sec for juicy kill mails. 0.0 will shot you cause you are not blue and to get blue to must pay tribute

As for the bounty rewards most of it was generated in them Sanctum/Havens in 0.0 space. maybe these need to be relooked at and nerfed

10% cut in bounties



I agree. Then remove the tech moons afterward

If we dont get a faucet you dont get infinite income.

I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. Not like we haven't been yelling about the stupidity of the tech bottleneck for years or anything.

Wait, was your post supposed to make me reflect on how wrong my position was? Welp.

10% cut in bounties



I agree. Then remove the tech moons afterward

If we dont get a faucet you dont get infinite income.

Translation: I'm butthurt and everybody else should be too *sniff*

Get a grip

Translation: Im butthurt you can make isk in highsec

take yer own advice