Originally by: van Uber

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Originally by: wah bok

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let me get this clear.

CCP make it so suicide ganking has actual consequences and therefore they kill pvp ?
What a F... up way at looking at things

Second. they say the want to change the wardecking system so there will be some goals to it instead of it being just a way so it can be used to grief other players. wow how dare they.

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This...

It's amusing to see how some individuals criticize the Wardec system and at the same time manage to cringe at any change that CCP mentions. I guess that is what happens when someone draws a conclusion from the first meaning in an entire paragraph. If one bothers to read further they state:

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...and that CCP is interested in making war declarations deeper by adding mechanics such as victory conditions that would eventually end wars.

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Depth and goals... How dare they?!

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Originally by: Zeknichov

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As soon as they made it an exploit to avoid concord it was evident CCP had no intention of having Empire anything but a pseudo safezone.

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Originally by: Zeknichov

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As soon as they made it an exploit to avoid concord it was evident CCP had no intention of having Empire anything but a pseudo safezone.

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Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom

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As in so many things, looking at this from an RP/"Ingame" perspective clears up so much.

+++Scene - Yulai Council room - it's newly refit but some parts of it were clearly part of the old Concord station. The scorch marks are still there. A reminder.+++

Concord Commissioner (Tiredly): "Okay, next on the agenda please?"

Secretary: "We have a rep from the Jita Mercantile Guild here, Commissioner."

Commish: "Okay - show him in."

The rep comes in, a haggard balding guy with a paunch, a big plastic box and a couple of flow charts on 4x4 sheets. He looks tired and a bit ****ed.

Commish: "NOW what is it Wallace?"

Rep (dumping the box's contents on the Commish's desk so that the hundreds of datachits overflow it and fall to the blackened carpet): "New complaints and reports for you Commissioner. In the last month 6400 various haulers and transports destroyed in Jita system alone. Total loss to the economy (he sticks up one of the flowcharts) 12%. Hauling is going down and everything's being devalued as the pirates are selling their wares for half price. Manufacturers and miners are screaming and threatening a general strike."

Commish: "But we're destroying them!"

Rep: "Yes, sir. You are. And here's your cost of the ammunition and material used. Oh, and here's the statement from the Concord subsidized insurance company on the payouts for all the ships you're blowing up."

Commish: "Okay - I know I'm new here since the last guy got blown up with the station but isn't this stupid? We're paying out insurance to people we're blowing up? AND they're making off with the cargos after we blow them up?"

Rep: "Yep."

Commish: "Okay - so they're making all kinds of money while we pay them to get blown up. But they're outlaws? Why aren't we shooting them before they get to the haulers?"

Rep: "Oh, they're not outlaws sir. Rep is in good standing even for the worst repeat offenders. They just go and blow up pirates and send the reports to Concord and get the sec upgrades. Then come back and do the same thing again."

Commish: "WHAT? Get the council in here NOW. We're re-writing this mess so fast their heads will spin!"

Secretary: "There's one more person to see before the Council arrives, sir. Should I send him away?"

Commish (Checking the clock): "Nah, send him in. My day is ruined anyway."

A nervous young Concord clerk comes in also with a big box but this one is full of flimsy forms.

Commish: "What have you got, son and make it quick!"

Clerk: "Yes sir, sorry sir. The previous Commissioner asked me to collect forms for Concord approved War Declarations and summarize their reasons listed on the forms."

Commish: "Okay, sure. Whatcha got?"

Clerk: "Well sir, the break out is as follows in no particular order:
1) Declaration to remove competion from a system; 2%

2) Revenge/Vengeance for previous war/action 7%
3) Proving how l33t we are! 11%
4) Just for lulz; 30%
5) I wanted their crap 35%
6) Blackmail for money 15%

Commish: "Wait a sec - hang on. HALF the war declarations we're approving are for PIRACY and BLACKMAIL?"

Clerk: "Umm - yessir."

Commish: "And most of the rest are for - what - psychopathic killing for giggles?"

Clerk (sheepish) "Yessir."

Commish: "Why are we approving these? We're the bloody COPS aren't we?"

Clerk: "Well, the policy is we approve every declaration. The reasons don't matter. They're just for record keeping. Lots of folks don't even fill out that part of the form."

Commish (Losing it): "GET THE COUNCIL IN HERE NOW!"

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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Originally by: Zeknichov

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As soon as they made it an exploit to avoid concord it was evident CCP had no intention of having Empire anything but a pseudo safezone.

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True. Now it's just a tug-of-war match to see just how safe it should be.

And even that isn't exactly true. More like a bunch of us geeks rabble-rabble back and forth at each other while CCP rolls their eyes at us and do whatever they were/are planning to do anyway.

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Originally by: Kyle Klanen

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Well said. CCP have made their decision regarding hi-sec. That decision is not up for debate any more: it's a done deal. Greyscale has madewhat was obvious before extremely clear now.

Kind of sucks for the professions of suicide ganker and empire merc, but there we have it. The hay is in the barn.

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True the discussion now is fairly moot, but it wont end there other stuff will be slowly changed or removed like gate camping or perhaps even some kind of npc protection in low sec or reduced death penalty and the slow shift towards catering to risk adverse players will continue.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Kyle Klanen

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Well said. CCP have made their decision regarding hi-sec. That decision is not up for debate any more: it's a done deal. Greyscale has madewhat was obvious before extremely clear now.

Kind of sucks for the professions of suicide ganker and empire merc, but there we have it. The hay is in the barn.

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True the discussion now is fairly moot, but it wont end there other stuff will be slowly changed or removed like gate camping or perhaps even some kind of npc protection in low sec or reduced death penalty and the slow shift towards catering to risk adverse players will continue.

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Yes I know. That's why I want a shitload more 0.0 space - I mean a lot more. Space far enough away that I can actually play EvE.

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Originally by: Irida Mershkov

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What about turning previous low-sec into 0.0 and turning, say, 40% of empire space into low-sec, cluster the high-sec guys together. Would be interesting. Give it some RP reason like all the pirate factions smack the Empires or something.

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Originally by: Ruze

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Step 1: Make CONCORD exist in all Empire, hisec and losec. Scale the reaction time in .4 and below, just as it's scaled in hisec. Contested space will have no CONCORD presence, of course. (This makes the 'safe space' approximately 34% of the universe)

-or-

Step 1: Double the size and density of hisec space.


Step 2: Double the size of deep space. Many more nulsec regions, with far broader reaches.




Essentially, make it so that if you want PvP, you go to one of the contested systems, or nulsec. Losec still has crime, but is balanced to be far safer than it currently is.

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Originally by: Ki An

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That's where Eve is headed, alright. That's not what most of us want, though. Therefore I think a sharding of the server is the only way. It will keep the game alive until after WoD goes gold, thus guaranteeing CCP's capital for that, and after that, who cares about Eve, right?

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Originally by: Ruze

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Originally by: Ki An

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That's where Eve is headed, alright. That's not what most of us want, though. Therefore I think a sharding of the server is the only way. It will keep the game alive until after WoD goes gold, thus guaranteeing CCP's capital for that, and after that, who cares about Eve, right?

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If they shard, I want just one thing: Completely copy the server over, with all player skills and financial gains.

Cause I'll tell you right now, if you make a new 'start', the old server will die. What new player in their right mind would willingly compete with players who have loyally payed for the game for 5+ years, when they could compete with those their own age.

And if you kill any chance of new players joining the old server, you are just betraying those who have invested years of time and effort.

Complete copies is the only way to work it. That way, those players who have been around for years, can still carry on and keep playing.

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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Dude, this thread is getting stupid even by my standards... Now you're seriously talking about sharding?

You guys are really losing it.

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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Dude, this thread is getting stupid even by my standards... Now you're seriously talking about sharding?

You guys are really losing it.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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Dude, this thread is getting stupid even by my standards... Now you're seriously talking about sharding?

You guys are really losing it.

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We're simply extrapolating on the changes CCP have already decided upon. It's clear that high sec is soon going to be completely safe. I don't want to play in a game with battle grounds. My bet is that many agrees with me. Therefore, when CCP implements safe high sec, the game will die, unless they shard it. Then it has a chance of surviving for six months, thus freeing up capital for the WoD project. Eve still dies, but it takes a bit longer.

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Originally by: Ruze

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Seriously, battlegrounds are already in game. It's not that big an issue, they put them in place months ago. Riskless PvP with no hard effect on anything, where anybody can equip a ship and blow something up. EvE and WoW both have battlegrounds, and it's old news. Sadly, it kinda works in EvE

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Originally by: Ruze

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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Dude, this thread is getting stupid even by my standards... Now you're seriously talking about sharding?

You guys are really losing it.

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Hey, I'm just having fun.

We could be talking about cannibalism, and I'd still put my two cents in. Actually, that's not a fair relation, because I support cannibalism, but you get my drift ...

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Originally by: Spoon Thumb

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Having not read the other 17 pages of replies,

I've considered this idea before. It'd fit a lot closer with what people's preconceptions are of any game. What other game can you be blown up in straight away after you start?

If you told newbies the truth, "that you're at risk soon as you undock" they would never undock and no one would play the game.

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Originally by: Xeronn

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you don`t get it do you?
EvE is (was?) about players seting there own goals and finding ways to achieve them and NOT about NPC-directed goals, quests, whatever . Why a mechanic forcing "goals" on wardecs?
A war ends when one side is dead or the Aggressor stops the Aggression. No way around it .

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Originally by: Syringe

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Lemme just turn on my PvP flag here. Click "yes" if you want to accept my duel request.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Ruze

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Step 1: Make CONCORD exist in all Empire, hisec and losec. Scale the reaction time in .4 and below, just as it's scaled in hisec. Contested space will have no CONCORD presence, of course. (This makes the 'safe space' approximately 34% of the universe)

-or-

Step 1: Double the size and density of hisec space.


Step 2: Double the size of deep space. Many more nulsec regions, with far broader reaches.




Essentially, make it so that if you want PvP, you go to one of the contested systems, or nulsec. Losec still has crime, but is balanced to be far safer than it currently is.

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That's where Eve is headed, alright. That's not what most of us want, though. Therefore I think a sharding of the server is the only way. It will keep the game alive until after WoD goes gold, thus guaranteeing CCP's capital for that, and after that, who cares about Eve, right?

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Originally by: Kelli Flay

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I m bookmarking this thread for future reading for when i am having a bad day or for when my cat craps on the carpet and I have to clean it up.

No matter who bad life gets, I will always have this thread to read to cheer me up.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Kelli Flay

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I m bookmarking this thread for future reading for when i am having a bad day or for when my cat craps on the carpet and I have to clean it up.

No matter who bad life gets, I will always have this thread to read to cheer me up.

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Because of your passive aggressive carebear nature, the only time you can truly have fun is when someone else isn't? Doesn't that make you a griefer?

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Originally by: Kelli Flay

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{lays on couch} Yes because of my passive aggressive nature and my childhood. I think it goes back to when I was four and my mom took me to the circus. There were elephants and clowns............

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Originally by: Malcanis

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CONCORD don't pay the insurance, you moop.

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