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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Mika Meroko Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 00:55:06 Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Yes - I will get 12 people organised and working together in torp ravens, burn 1.2 billion isk (when the no insurance hits), and we will all spend 200 hours ratting in 0.0 (as sec hits have been BASE trebbled) So we can kill your t2 fitted, fully insured raven.... Yes, as that would really be worth it wouldnt it. That would really teach you wouldnt it. SKUNK well.... in a way, you are right, CCP is turning highsec into a safe(er) zone... but yeah... I would feel more sympathetic if low sec and 0.0 doesnt exsist... but yeah... it seems CCP is telling us to go out to low and 0.0 for the pvp.... So as you now agree... after the insurance removal - you WONT be ganked in high sec. If I was to arange the ganking - I would be losing MORE THEN YOU. So there would be no point. Your point about where CCP want the game to go - is correct IMO. This thread is about CCP being honest about it - getting hig sec PVP free, balancing the rewards of high sec to reflect this, and devoting some resources to low sec and 0.0. This seems to be self evidently common sense. SKUNK
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Mika Meroko Edited by: Mika Meroko on 02/09/2008 00:55:55 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... So if, for example, mission payouts were reduced by, oh let's say 90%, would you say to the missioners "You do know that you can STILL mission right?..... it just gets less profitable... that is all...." yes, XD but this change **es off alot less people XD.... sorry, but you are in the minority XD CCP is a company remember? **ing off a selected few to applease an overwhelming majority... thats.... pretty... reasonable... but yeah, really... if you want someone dead for the hell of it.. you gotta pay... yeah yeah we know. We're just asking for them to come out and say so. yeah.... come out to 0.0 and just dont look back.... less stressful than complaining to a company who... yeah...
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Mika Meroko Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 00:55:06 Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Yes - I will get 12 people organised and working together in torp ravens, burn 1.2 billion isk (when the no insurance hits), and we will all spend 200 hours ratting in 0.0 (as sec hits have been BASE trebbled) So we can kill your t2 fitted, fully insured raven.... Yes, as that would really be worth it wouldnt it. That would really teach you wouldnt it. SKUNK well.... in a way, you are right, CCP is turning highsec into a safe(er) zone... but yeah... I would feel more sympathetic if low sec and 0.0 doesnt exsist... but yeah... it seems CCP is telling us to go out to low and 0.0 for the pvp.... Exactly. So what the Op is asking for is for CCP to just get it over with. Then we can stop arguing and hoping and remembering.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:04:00 - [64] Originally by: Lillian D'Florite Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Uh-huh. So now, instead of ratting/missioning for 1-3 days to make enough money to suicide a group of macro mackinaws, Now I get to do it for 6-14 days. This is why I stopped griefing/war-deccing/suiciding in Empire. After a certain point, it costs you so much that it's just not worth it anymore. petition the farmers. Ahahahaha hahhaha.... good one... ...oh wait, you were serious?
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:05:00 - [65] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 02/09/2008 01:06:24 Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Mika Meroko Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 00:55:06 Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Yes - I will get 12 people organised and working together in torp ravens, burn 1.2 billion isk (when the no insurance hits), and we will all spend 200 hours ratting in 0.0 (as sec hits have been BASE trebbled) So we can kill your t2 fitted, fully insured raven.... Yes, as that would really be worth it wouldnt it. That would really teach you wouldnt it. SKUNK well.... in a way, you are right, CCP is turning highsec into a safe(er) zone... but yeah... I would feel more sympathetic if low sec and 0.0 doesnt exsist... but yeah... it seems CCP is telling us to go out to low and 0.0 for the pvp.... So as you now agree... after the insurance removal - you WONT be ganked in high sec. If I was to arange the ganking - I would be losing MORE THEN YOU. So there would be no point. Your point about where CCP want the game to go - is correct IMO. This thread is about CCP being honest about it - getting hig sec PVP free, balancing the rewards of high sec to reflect this, and devoting some resources to low sec and 0.0. This seems to be self evidently common sense. SKUNK been here too long, but yeah... CCP wont say it, they wont admit T20 (remember him?)'s violation...(well, rather, they dont do anything about it...) is a waste of time tbh... venting.. sure.. but ... haha, I seen enough people getting angrier and angrier for nothing... high blood pressure is bad for you, you know ? XD and CCP's common sense is different than ours... they uses one where their wallet is #1... so yeah, I wouldnt bet any changes that would make the game "hardcore" any time soon... edit: as for the point.... well, I have to say, yeah, some people hate others so much that they are happy to lose something just to see the other get "it".. so I wouldnt say theres no point... just... for different reasons.. to gank...
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Mika Meroko as for the point.... well, I have to say, yeah, some people hate others so much that they are happy to lose something just to see the other get "it".. so I wouldnt say theres no point... just... for different reasons.. to gank... Don't worry. I'm rapidly getting to that point )in-game, of course. Everything in game.)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:12:00 - [67] Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 01:12:40 Originally by: Mika Meroko as for the point.... well, I have to say, yeah, some people hate others so much that they are happy to lose something just to see the other get "it".. so I wouldnt say theres no point... just... for different reasons.. to gank... So ok then, im running my mission in my t2 fit raven. You have organised 12 dudes in torp ravens to gank me, and are prepared to rat for 200 hours to conter the sec hit. Assuming you succede. Youve lost 1.2 bill, have to rat for 200 hours, and had to organise 12 dood to come hunt me out, on my time, if I didnt notice you and escape. I lose 18 million isk insurance and have to go get my backup raven out of the same station i am in. So, I will be laughing at you. As your desire to kill me.... has COST YOU a fortune, and I am not even slighlty effected. Ill be out running another LV4 immediatly, and trying to bait you into attacking me again so you lose more isk. SKUNK
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:13:00 - [68] No. There is one 'safe zone' in the game, and thats docked in the station. As long as you are in space, you should be a legitimate target. Everytime I go to empire (rarely) I am appalled by the number of AFK hauler/freightering, afk mission running and a whole lot of other stuff. This is a pvp game. If you want safe-zones, go to some other mmo.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Mika Meroko as for the point.... well, I have to say, yeah, some people hate others so much that they are happy to lose something just to see the other get "it".. so I wouldnt say theres no point... just... for different reasons.. to gank... Don't worry. I'm rapidly getting to that point )in-game, of course. Everything in game.) hehehe, but yeah, hmmm fanfest is when again?... tell someone whos going to ask CCP op's question... XD
Hotice	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Valan Oh and while I'm at it. As far as I'm concerned all this lobbying for 100% safe high sec is a campaign so isk sellers can turn profit with macros and not watch the screen. I see no other reason for it, it is that easy to counteract the only reason you don't is because you're afk while the macro works. In the pathc tommorow 1) Concord response times have been significantly improved and the ships themselves improved 2) Sec drops have been trebled (base) and will increase the higher sec you go. So to kill a mission whoring isk farmer in a mission hub... you will now need to organise around 10 or 12 torp ravens. Ans then rat for the equivalnet of 200 hours in 0.0 to get yoru sec back. Next on the line - insurance is being removed So youll need all the above AND be willing to drop 1.3 billion isk into thin air. So.. how many isk farming ravens do you think will be free to "turn a profit and not watch the screen" as of tommorow. ALL OF THEM The point the op is making is high sec is heading down a one way street of no pvp ALREADY so lets drop the pretence and move forward. ITS ALREADY HAPPENING!!! Skunk That is risk vs. reward. You want that juicy faction module or phat loot? Well, you got to take the risk to lose near same amount for nothing. Same goes for people who spent billions on their mission ships. They want to be the quickest mission runner, make the most isk? They better be ready to get suicide ganked and lose billions. The current way of suicide ganking is just too much profit with next to little risk. Same goes for war dec. It is basicly broiled down to be pay to grief. So since it is exploit to change corps to avoid war dec. Corps simply just start a new corp when war dec'ed. Consider that as pay not to be grief'ed. hehe Remember, every tactic to make the kill will most likely to have to deal with a solution to be avoided. We are dealing with real human players here. We all have a magical button to press which will make ccp very unhappy to see. Guess what that is? It is the Cancel Account button. PvP is nice but when it start to hurting real life wallet, it became rather simply for ccp to make their decision. hmmm.... Let people to be ganked and cancel account or a new car/dinner/vacation/pretty GFs? Let people to be grief'ed and make them cancel account or more money in bank? What do you think they will do? action that makes you happy often means somebody will not be. This is often the result of greifing. Action that make both sides involved happy and looking for more. That is the result a real meaningful pvp. Getting ganked is never fun but getting ganked repeatly without learning how to avoide that is just pure stupid. Not sure why people don't understand this. Why so many people people don't like pvp in Eve? Because often than not it is just pure griefing! To those who got killed in pointless war dec/suicide ganking, it provided them no fun at all. Why should they like that? No, they don't have to, they can quit the game! Adopt or Die! Sounds easy for us, but ccp have bills to pay. Let's all be realistic here.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 01:12:40 Originally by: Mika Meroko as for the point.... well, I have to say, yeah, some people hate others so much that they are happy to lose something just to see the other get "it".. so I wouldnt say theres no point... just... for different reasons.. to gank... So ok then, im running my mission in my t2 fit raven. You have organised 12 dudes in torp ravens to gank me, and are prepared to rat for 200 hours to conter the sec hit. Assuming you succede. Youve lost 1.2 bill, have to rat for 200 hours, and had to organise 12 dood to come hunt me out, on my time, if I didnt notice you and escape. I lose 18 million isk insurance and have to go get my backup raven out of the same station i am in. So, I will be laughing at you. As your desire to kill me.... has COST YOU a fortune, and I am not even slighlty effected. Ill be out running another LV4 immediatly, and trying to bait you into attacking me again so you lose more isk. SKUNK hmmm, salvaging and stealing all their cans might just bait ppl XD see, highsec is still fun XD
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:17:00 - [72] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Everytime I go to empire (rarely) I am appalled by the number of AFK hauler/freightering, afk mission running and a whole lot of other stuff. This is a pvp game. If you want safe-zones, go to some other mmo. Hmmm, theres a mechanic for killing AFK dudes, skulking in hig sec. SUICIDE GANKING - nerfed tommorow, and nerfed totally in the future when CCP remove insurance WAR DECS - avoidable for individuals, corps and alliances (see my earlier post). Described as "pay to grief" by CCP official and "high priority" for a nerfing. So.... what about CCPS recent decisions makes you think they dont want high sec to be pvp free? You are typical of the 0.0 player who has sat doing hi s "endgame" shit out in 0.0 - and has been idly twiddling his thumbs as highsec is turned into a pvp free zone(it already is to all intents and purposes) yet trots out the old "get back to wow""cold hard universe" utter drivel. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Mika Meroko hmmm, salvaging and stealing all their cans might just bait ppl XD see, highsec is still fun XD Again - the mission runner, if he choses not to engage in consensual pvp (ie shoot at you) is unable to be killed. Can baiting and flipping is just a bizarre and farcical PVP FLAG, which serves only to con noobs - and make CCP look stupid. SKUNK
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:20:00 - [74] Yes I agree that suiciding ganking is a cheap tactic, but it's the only real tactic available when so many people are able to become untouchable when it suits them. Yes suicide ganking should be difficult. Yes it should cost considerable isk. I actually wanted a suicide ganking nerf myself, losing only 4 million or so on platinum insurance for a battleship is pretty silly gamewide, letalone for suicide ganking. CCP have never clarified further then the reading of that single blog what it is exactly they plan to do with insurance, or the explanation is in a very obscure place. I can fully support the reducing concord spawns to being smaller with more damage while wondering why the hell it was never done sooner. We could easily do without the spam. I can only hope that when they said no insurance, they meant no station bought insurance and pilots will still receive their 50% payout, think of it as a sort of manufacturers warranty if you will. They still lose a lot of isk, it still raises the bar on suicide ganking back up where it needs to be, and CCP get their graphs reduced significantly on their server for suicide numbers. This would be a lot more acceptable as a suicide gank balance change I feel because I feel there's a difference between a rich player and a good player. I've said it before and I'll say it again, stop rewarding the big wealthy nullsec alliances and nerfing the smaller time player. Smaller time players have no choice but to use fewer expensive ships, alliances are the ones that can easily afford to use dozens of cheap ships instead. Nullsec alliances can easily rake their sec status up again in massive amounts in the full safety of their nullsec homes ratting battleships. Smaller time players are more likely to take all kinds of risks doing this in lowsec. It doesn't even make sense why killing rats in nullsec increases your security status with concord, criminal activity in nullsec doesn't make it go down again. To this day and to all the days in the future most likely, I'll never know what possessed them to significantly reduce concord respose times and increase sec status hits except what it looks like, and what it looks like was mainly my motivation for making this thread. As people have said, if we're going to have a highsec safezone, I'd like just to have it now, rather then several groans of further patch notes later down the line please.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:21:00 - [75] Make high sec so paper thin ships with maybe 5 million in cargo are completely safe from being PROFITABLY ganked? Sure Make high sec so a average Transport with 100mil cargo value is completely safe from being PROFITABLY ganked? Sure Make High sec so a well tanked Transport with up to 200mil cargo is completely safe from be PROFITABLY ganked? Sure, I'm all for it. Make High sec so an average frieghter with up to 10 billion cargo value is completely safe from being PROFITABLY ganked? yep, 100% for it. Make high sec so there is no option to gank? Knuckle dragging stupid idea.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:21:00 - [76] Originally by: Hotice That is risk vs. reward. You want that juicy faction module or phat loot? Well, you got to take the risk to lose near same amount for nothing. Same goes for people who spent billions on their mission ships. They want to be the quickest mission runner, make the most isk? They better be ready to get suicide ganked and lose billions. The current way of suicide ganking is just too much profit with next to little risk. That is not risk vs. reward, because there is NO REWARD! No matter what, the suicide gankers will ALWAYS have lost more money than they could possibly gain, unless someone was to outfit their ship completely with Estamel's mods. (YEAH, RIGHT.)
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:25:00 - [77] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky No. There is one 'safe zone' in the game, and thats docked in the station. As long as you are in space, you should be a legitimate target. Everytime I go to empire (rarely) I am appalled by the number of AFK hauler/freightering, afk mission running and a whole lot of other stuff. This is a pvp game. If you want safe-zones, go to some other mmo. Wrong. It's a shame and I don't like it, but you're wrong.
Bodhisattvas mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:25:00 - [78] Introduce a new skill 'Bribery' the higher the level the less you pay concord aka the pigs, so you can run rampage in hi-sec. Also introduce a new profession of solicitor in game. When ambulation comes along and a few rodney kings sessions later concord get sued by said new profession of solicitors thereby rendering concord bankrupt and lawless fun-ness would ensue. The above would solve a lot of in game problems and increase my own personal enjoyment of the game immensely.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:33:00 - [79] Originally by: Hotice Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Valan Oh and while I'm at it. As far as I'm concerned all this lobbying for 100% safe high sec is a campaign so isk sellers can turn profit with macros and not watch the screen. I see no other reason for it, it is that easy to counteract the only reason you don't is because you're afk while the macro works. In the pathc tommorow 1) Concord response times have been significantly improved and the ships themselves improved 2) Sec drops have been trebled (base) and will increase the higher sec you go. So to kill a mission whoring isk farmer in a mission hub... you will now need to organise around 10 or 12 torp ravens. Ans then rat for the equivalnet of 200 hours in 0.0 to get yoru sec back. Next on the line - insurance is being removed So youll need all the above AND be willing to drop 1.3 billion isk into thin air. So.. how many isk farming ravens do you think will be free to "turn a profit and not watch the screen" as of tommorow. ALL OF THEM The point the op is making is high sec is heading down a one way street of no pvp ALREADY so lets drop the pretence and move forward. ITS ALREADY HAPPENING!!! Skunk That is risk vs. reward. You want that juicy faction module or phat loot? Well, you got to take the risk to lose near same amount for nothing. Same goes for people who spent billions on their mission ships. They want to be the quickest mission runner, make the most isk? They better be ready to get suicide ganked and lose billions. The current way of suicide ganking is just too much profit with next to little risk. Same goes for war dec. It is basicly broiled down to be pay to grief. So since it is exploit to change corps to avoid war dec. Corps simply just start a new corp when war dec'ed. Consider that as pay not to be grief'ed. hehe Remember, every tactic to make the kill will most likely to have to deal with a solution to be avoided. We are dealing with real human players here. We all have a magical button to press which will make ccp very unhappy to see. Guess what that is? It is the Cancel Account button. PvP is nice but when it start to hurting real life wallet, it became rather simply for ccp to make their decision. hmmm.... Let people to be ganked and cancel account or a new car/dinner/vacation/pretty GFs? Let people to be grief'ed and make them cancel account or more money in bank? What do you think they will do? action that makes you happy often means somebody will not be. This is often the result of greifing. Action that make both sides involved happy and looking for more. That is the result a real meaningful pvp. Getting ganked is never fun but getting ganked repeatly without learning how to avoide that is just pure stupid. Not sure why people don't understand this. Why so many people people don't like pvp in Eve? Because often than not it is just pure griefing! To those who got killed in pointless war dec/suicide ganking, it provided them no fun at all. Why should they like that? No, they don't have to, they can quit the game! Adopt or Die! Sounds easy for us, but ccp have bills to pay. Let's all be realistic here. Well some of us have given CCP lots of money on the premise that this game includes non-consensual PvP. "non-consensual" means that one side didn't want to fight but had to anyway, by the way. it was pretty much a core concept when this game started. CCP have bills to pay, but somehow they've always managed to pay them without making these changes before. In fact the game has continuously grown - despite the wails of SUICIDE GANKING IS KILLING EVE (where were you with your "Adopt or Die!" slogan in those threads, by the way?) Still, it's CCP's game to direct as they please. We're not even arguing against the changes - we know it's a done deal, the decision has been made. All we're asking is for them to just goddamb tell the truth about it. PS "Adopt or Die!" you say. Hmm. Was that a typo or an insightful pun?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:36:00 - [80] Originally by: 5pinDizzy As people have said, if we're going to have a highsec safezone, I'd like just to have it now, rather then several groans of further patch notes later down the line please. Indeed it will Stop the divisive and ugly Bear/PVP division Bring relations with CCP (who quite frankly are detested by a large percentage of their own player base)back to a decent level. Stop EVE looking like a exploit ridden total freak show to ouside viewers Put the bleeding screaming duck out of its misery. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:38:00 - [81] Originally by: Wendat Huron Like I said, all I see still are some PvP hacks whining that their easy thrills just got a little harder. Nope - quite the opposite. SKUNK
Xtreem Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:40:00 - [82] Originally by: Jones Bones I always love seeing the words "suicide ganking" metioned with "pvp". Call it want you want; easy money, "mining" haulers, etc. But to call it pvp is laughable. pvp - player vs player pve - player vs enviroment if its a player ganking a player hauler it IS pvp it being a valid tactic is debatable but it is PVP that CCP have forced into PVE player attacks player hauler - pvp, ccp add concord pwn = pve ass ouch for the ganker = no high sec pvp other than can flipping and war decs, and we all know the war decs will leave soon at least in the way they are now.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:44:00 - [83] Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 01:44:09 Originally by: Xtreem Originally by: Jones Bones I always love seeing the words "suicide ganking" metioned with "pvp". Call it want you want; easy money, "mining" haulers, etc. But to call it pvp is laughable. pvp - player vs player pve - player vs enviroment if its a player ganking a player hauler it IS pvp it being a valid tactic is debatable but it is PVP that CCP have forced into PVE player attacks player hauler - pvp, ccp add concord pwn = pve ass ouch for the ganker = no high sec pvp other than can flipping and war decs, and we all know the war decs will leave soon at least in the way they are now. And anyone in their right mind will denounce can flipping as perhaps the more farcical way to get a fight in this game. Its a total nonsense akin to me walking up to you in the street and putting my finger in your bagel with a big grin on my face and waiting for you to hit me before running back home, getting a slegehammer, and running back hoping I can **** you before an arbitrary police time limit runs out. SKUNK
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:45:00 - [84] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Xtreem Originally by: Jones Bones I always love seeing the words "suicide ganking" metioned with "pvp". Call it want you want; easy money, "mining" haulers, etc. But to call it pvp is laughable. pvp - player vs player pve - player vs enviroment if its a player ganking a player hauler it IS pvp it being a valid tactic is debatable but it is PVP that CCP have forced into PVE player attacks player hauler - pvp, ccp add concord pwn = pve ass ouch for the ganker = no high sec pvp other than can flipping and war decs, and we all know the war decs will leave soon at least in the way they are now. And anyone in their right mind will denounce can flipping as perhaps the more farcical way to get a fight in this game. Its a total nonsense akin to me walking up to you in the street and putting my finger in your bagel and waiting for you to hit me before running back home, getting a slegehammer, and running back hoping I can ** you before an arbitrary police time limit runs out. SKUNK If you put your finger in my "bagel" you better hope** there's a policeman close by...
Cygnus Zhada Amarr Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:47:00 - [85] 4 more days before my account runs out, in a few months I'll have a look at the game, find my whine post and reply with "I told you so".
Ravennaa Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution	Posted - 2008.09.02 02:17:00 - [86] It's completely unrealistic to label an area as "safe", and not allow targeting and/or shooting and smartbombing. Granted, there is a lot of stuff in EVE that is rather unrealistic, but in most cases, it was done as graphic or audio enhancements and only violates science, not as much common sense, as adding a "safe zone" would. I'm ALL for increasing penalties and CONCORD response, and even to the point of adding CONCORD (1 BS, 1 frigate) to every station and gate that is used frequently (ie, gate fires more than 100 times an hour, CONCORD is perminantely there). Make it VIRTUALLY impossible to gank someone in those situations, and made high-traffic areas safer. To be completely honest, I suicide gank people myself. I do it for the money. I can use a 20m ship plus another 15m in fittings, and make 27m from insurance (soon to be 0, but no problem really), plus usually another 300-500m from the hauler or whatever I ganked. I even ganked one guy who was carrying over 1.2bil in faction loot in a frigate, but sadly the loot blew up and what was left over was stolen by someone else. Even if I had to start using a battleship (see: gankageddon), I would still probably clear 200+million, if not more if I've chosen my target well and gotten lucky. The fact of the matter is that thievery and piracy are part of the game. It's dirty and can be cruel, but the bottom line is that if you fly safe and smart, you ALMOST NEVER have to worry about it. If you're going to autopilot with hundreds of millions or (god help you) billions in loot, you're GOING to get ganked eventually, regardless of the penalties involved.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 02:52:00 - [87] Originally by: Ravennaa It's completely unrealistic to label an area as "safe", and not allow targeting and/or shooting and smartbombing. Realism has nothing to do with Eve. It's a game. All the OP is asking is for CCP to stop billing Eve as a game with non-consensual PvP and start billing it as what it is. Eve was a game with non-consensual PvP. Now it's going to be a game with limited consensual PvP, and virtually no non-consensual PvP.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.09.02 04:07:00 - [88] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 01/09/2008 23:27:22 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Dirk Magnum Never ever ever put an end to the resistance against safezones in Eve. Ever. Don't give in on this, people. The battle is already lost, the real question is how long the smoke will take to clear. Deal with it. Let's at least wait until the suicide gank change takes place in Tranq before we judge. And then after that let's wait to see what they do with Empire war decs. QFLogic
Pilot Abilene Caldari Serpentine Dream Theory	Posted - 2008.09.02 05:19:00 - [89] can I get an EVE is dying? Seriously stop being drama queens lol. I really don't understand this infatuation with carebears and high sec. There is still so much to do PvP wise in the game it's not funny...high sec hardly deserves a mention in this regard.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.09.02 05:26:00 - [90] Originally by: Le Skunk with a big grin on my face Just wanted to say, best edit ever.

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