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Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Malcanis The noob in question is a CCP dev. Wait, what?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:24:00 - [32] Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 00:24:17 Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Malcanis The noob in question is a CCP dev. Wait, what? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE Quote: Noah (CCP) believes that the current wardec system amounts to a pay-to-grief system, and that CCP is interested in making war declarations deeper by adding mechanics such as victory conditions that would eventually end wars. Valentijn (CSM Dierdra Vaal) commented that under the current system, the defender has no control over the war and the attacker can keep it up indefinitely as long as they keep paying the bills. He also observed that there currently is no determined end goal to the war itself.]
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Le Skunk WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE THE OP IS ABOUT SUICIDE GANKING, NOT WARDECS (caps = cruise control, amirite?)
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:26:00 - [34] Oh and while I'm at it. As far as I'm concerned all this lobbying for 100% safe high sec is a campaign so isk sellers can turn profit with macros and not watch the screen. I see no other reason for it, it is that easy to counteract the only reason you don't is because you're afk while the macro works.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Le Skunk WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE THE OP IS ABOUT SUICIDE GANKING, NOT WARDECS (caps = cruise control, amirite?) yes we know. Skunk and I are merely pointing out that wardecs are next in the firing line. And of course, behind them, all those "underused" lo-sec systems full of "griefers"....
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Valan Oh and while I'm at it. As far as I'm concerned all this lobbying for 100% safe high sec is a campaign so isk sellers can turn profit with macros and not watch the screen. I see no other reason for it, it is that easy to counteract the only reason you don't is because you're afk while the macro works. You know. I know it. So what? The battle is lost.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Malcanis yes we know. Skunk and I are merely pointing out that wardecs are next in the firing line. And of course, behind them, all those "underused" lo-sec systems full of "griefers".... Ah, I see. My bad, Skunk. tbh, I've been wondering this last week, what if 'the other side' whined as long and as hard as the carebears do... what would happen then?
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Malcanis yes we know. Skunk and I are merely pointing out that wardecs are next in the firing line. Wait, so they're going to do away with Wardecs in Highsec? Wow, I'm going to be a rich man. If I can just walk up and salvage any Mission Runner without the threat of reprisal, that sounds good to me! /sarcasm - not directed to your post, but the whole underlying idea
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:33:00 - [39] Edited by: Vikarion on 02/09/2008 00:33:55 Originally by: Havohej tbh, I've been wondering this last week, what if 'the other side' whined as long and as hard as the carebears do... what would happen then? CCP would tell us to go screw ourselves. They have before when we've whined. Trying to get them to address "our" concerns is like pulling rebar out of concrete with your fingernails.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Malcanis yes we know. Skunk and I are merely pointing out that wardecs are next in the firing line. And of course, behind them, all those "underused" lo-sec systems full of "griefers".... Ah, I see. My bad, Skunk. tbh, I've been wondering this last week, what if 'the other side' whined as long and as hard as the carebears do... what would happen then? Tried it. Got dev response form Zulupark flatly denying that hi-sec PvP had been nerfed in any way. Since they're willing to blatantly deny the obvious reality that it has - ask Skunk about alliance P - I'm no longer bothering to waste my time on salvaging hi-sec. It's a write-off as far as actually playing EvE is concerned. That's why I made the suggestion of a lot of new 0.0 space a huge distance from empire in the first place.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 02/09/2008 00:33:55 Originally by: Havohej tbh, I've been wondering this last week, what if 'the other side' whined as long and as hard as the carebears do... what would happen then? CCP would tell us to go screw ourselves. They have before when we've whined. Trying to get them to address "our" concerns is like pulling rebar out of concrete with your fingernails. Carebears subs are worth more than PvPer subs. End of story.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Valan Oh and while I'm at it. As far as I'm concerned all this lobbying for 100% safe high sec is a campaign so isk sellers can turn profit with macros and not watch the screen. I see no other reason for it, it is that easy to counteract the only reason you don't is because you're afk while the macro works. In the pathc tommorow 1) Concord response times have been significantly improved and the ships themselves improved 2) Sec drops have been trebled (base) and will increase the higher sec you go. So to kill a mission whoring isk farmer in a mission hub... you will now need to organise around 10 or 12 torp ravens. Ans then rat for the equivalnet of 200 hours in 0.0 to get yoru sec back. Next on the line - insurance is being removed So youll need all the above AND be willing to drop 1.3 billion isk into thin air. So.. how many isk farming ravens do you think will be free to "turn a profit and not watch the screen" as of tommorow. ALL OF THEM The point the op is making is high sec is heading down a one way street of no pvp ALREADY so lets drop the pretence and move forward. ITS ALREADY HAPPENING!!! Skunk
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Malcanis yes we know. Skunk and I are merely pointing out that wardecs are next in the firing line. Wait, so they're going to do away with Wardecs in Highsec? Wow, I'm going to be a rich man. If I can just walk up and salvage any Mission Runner without the threat of reprisal, that sounds good to me! YOU ALREADY CAN Simply hide in a noob corp... undeccable. As i have said before... PVP FREE HIGH SEC IS NEARLY HERE ALREADY Skunk
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:40:00 - [44] Could I interest you in some camembert?
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Wendat Huron Could I interest you in some camembert? Could I interest you in a glass of denying the published facts?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:42:00 - [46] could someone buy me a drink period? I'm thirsty over here
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Wendat Huron Could I interest you in some camembert? Whines are yesterdays news. Forum games are over .. and the bearminded players have won - simple as that. The OP is looking forward, and suggesting a better route for the game given CCPs indications of what it should be. Saying CUT THE CRAP CCP is not whining. ITs asking them to be honest for once. SKUNK
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Le Skunk Simply hide in a noob corp... undeccable. Come on, Skunk... You've forgotten us already?
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Wendat Huron Could I interest you in some camembert? Could I interest you in a glass of denying the published facts? What are those facts? All I see is some gankers whining their asses off that their shits and giggles just got a little harder to accomplish.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Le Skunk Simply hide in a noob corp... undeccable. Come on, Skunk... You've forgotten us already? You court wardecs for your own entertainment purposes. The point that you do not actually ever need to be wardecced stands. No individual, corp, or alliance ever has to be wardecced if they dont want to. and heres a handy guide INDIVIDUAL: I dont want to be wardecced so i will drop into a NPC corp. CORP: We dont want to be wardecced so we will creater 5 alt corps , and jump immediately into the next corp when we are wardecced. ALLIANCE: We will create 20 alt corps, and wardec ourselves. This drives the price up to unattainable prices for anyone else to dec us. So following these CCP endorsed tactics - you never have to be wardecced. This is the state of play NOW.. not after some distant patch. SKUNK
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:52:00 - [51] Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... So if, for example, mission payouts were reduced by, oh let's say 90%, would you say to the missioners "You do know that you can STILL mission right?..... it just gets less profitable... that is all...."
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... So if, for example, mission payouts were reduced by, oh let's say 90%, would you say to the missioners "You do know that you can STILL mission right?..... it just gets less profitable... that is all...." yes, XD but this change ****es off alot less people XD.... sorry, but you are in the minority XD CCP is a company remember?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:54:00 - [53] Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 00:55:06 Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Yes - I will get 12 people organised and working together in torp ravens, burn 1.2 billion isk (when the no insurance hits), and we will all spend 200 hours ratting in 0.0 (as sec hits have been BASE trebbled) So we can kill your t2 fitted, fully insured raven.... Yes, as that would really be worth it wouldnt it. That would really teach you wouldnt it. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Mika Meroko Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... So if, for example, mission payouts were reduced by, oh let's say 90%, would you say to the missioners "You do know that you can STILL mission right?..... it just gets less profitable... that is all...." yes, XD but this change ****es off alot less people XD.... sorry, but you are in the minority XD CCP is a company remember? This is taken as fact by all sides. Nobody is disuprting this. You seem to think we are arguing for a reversal of the nerfs. This is not the case. The argument is for high sec to go fully the way it is headed and become pvp free. SKUNK
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:57:00 - [55] Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Uh-huh. So now, instead of ratting/missioning for 1-3 days to make enough money to suicide a group of macro mackinaws, Now I get to do it for 6-14 days. This is why I stopped griefing/war-deccing/suiciding in Empire. After a certain point, it costs you so much that it's just not worth it anymore. I haven't played Eve in about a week. Just can't seem to get any motivation to log on, because everything I enjoyed keeps getting nerfed. If I DO decide to do something, I think I'm gonna start making as much money as possible, and then start going after every carebear whiner I see post on these forums. Make them bleeeeed.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:58:00 - [56] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/09/2008 00:55:06 Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Yes - I will get 12 people organised and working together in torp ravens, burn 1.2 billion isk (when the no insurance hits), and we will all spend 200 hours ratting in 0.0 (as sec hits have been BASE trebbled) So we can kill your t2 fitted, fully insured raven.... Yes, as that would really be worth it wouldnt it. That would really teach you wouldnt it. SKUNK well.... in a way, you are right, CCP is turning highsec into a safe(er) zone... but yeah... I would feel more sympathetic if low sec and 0.0 doesnt exsist... but yeah... it seems CCP is telling us to go out to low and 0.0 for the pvp....
Vladimir Griftin	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:59:00 - [57] It is turning into less of a cold harsh world, more of a warm fuzzy one. The next logical step in the right direction would be to nerf newbie corps, the only thing you can do while in a newbie corp is mine Veldspar and run level 1 missions. And i dont even care, I live in 0.0 99% of the time, but empire is turning into pure suck, thats for sure, I really feel quite sorry for you pirate corps :(
Lillian D'Florite	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:59:00 - [58] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... Uh-huh. So now, instead of ratting/missioning for 1-3 days to make enough money to suicide a group of macro mackinaws, Now I get to do it for 6-14 days. This is why I stopped griefing/war-deccing/suiciding in Empire. After a certain point, it costs you so much that it's just not worth it anymore. petition the farmers.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Mika Meroko Edited by: Mika Meroko on 02/09/2008 00:55:55 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Mika Meroko you do know that you can STILL gank people right?... it just gets more expensive... that is all.... So if, for example, mission payouts were reduced by, oh let's say 90%, would you say to the missioners "You do know that you can STILL mission right?..... it just gets less profitable... that is all...." yes, XD but this change **es off alot less people XD.... sorry, but you are in the minority XD CCP is a company remember? **ing off a selected few to applease an overwhelming majority... thats.... pretty... reasonable... but yeah, really... if you want someone dead for the hell of it.. you gotta pay... yeah yeah we know. We're just asking for them to come out and say so.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:01:00 - [60] Maybe CCP could just completely separate hi-sec from low-sec/0.0. You know, once you leave hi-sec, you can never go back. I'd love that.

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