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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
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Posted - 2012.03.25 14:30:00 -
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See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.
See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.
If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.
I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.
Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.
You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.
These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
461
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Posted - 2012.03.25 14:34:00 -
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Yes it can. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.25 14:36:00 -
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Kids will be kids.
I'd be more concerned if the behaviour continued outside the halls of fanfest whilst wearing CCP embossed garments perhaps? Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
664
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Posted - 2012.03.25 14:39:00 -
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Some of them may not be emotionaly stable |
Christopher Merchentson
Enlightened Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:28:00 -
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If the harassment did continue and the guy ended up killing himself CCP can be held liable if it were a American company. Not sure about the fact that it's a foreign company. |
Whatayoke
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:40:00 -
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Christopher Merchentson wrote: American
foreign company
you americans, so funny. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
311
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:41:00 -
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Forums hosts are considered 'publishing companies' under most countries laws , the same rules would apply as a public letter published in a newspaper.
Also this is one of the main reasons moderation is compulsory as publishing obsence images or selling of illegal goods/services are not looked upon kindly.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
112
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Posted - 2012.03.25 15:47:00 -
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It would be a bit of a Darwin award letting yourself play a game that can ultimately lead to psychological harm when you cant handle loss of any kind. Its not in the same vein as torment in a school setting as its public and education is necessary. Not all family's can handle home or private classes to special needs cases. And people are set to decency standards. Whereas this is a self inflicted game. A pencil company cant be held liable for a mentally unstable person taking their product and shoving it in their eye. Unless it was perhaps labeled "To shove in your eyes #2" |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6314
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:01:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.
See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.
If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.
I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.
Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.
You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.
These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.
deal with it~ The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Rashino Zea
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
1
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:06:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
He is dealing with it
...poorly |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
313
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:06:00 -
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Ahh ever the diplomat hey M
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6315
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:07:00 -
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It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
100
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:08:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:deal with it~
Is that all the great Mittani could come up with?
Such a let down, would have expected more. I know, 'deal with it'. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
460
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:08:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:deal with it~
Internet badman alert
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Torneach
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:11:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:deal with it~
Eloquent, as always.
You heard the man, OP!! Snap to it! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
314
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:19:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.
You mean the stuff CCP are taking action against apparently ?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
78
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:23:00 -
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Why So Serious? |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:23:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.
I don't believe that this is what he is complaining about at all. Try reading the OP. It appears that his issue is with public calls to harass someone who has self-identified as a suicide risk. Whether that happened or not is a different issue. Your 'Deal with it' suggests that you accept it did, although, since its not clear that you actually comprehended the OP .... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
314
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:33:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:, since its not clear that you actually comprehended
QFT
Couldn't of summed up Fuhrer M better myself
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5767
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:45:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:The Mittani wrote: suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself. You mean the stuff CCP are taking action against apparently ? No, you must be thinking of something quite different.
CCP is further codifying ganking and nonconsensual PvP, because it's a core part of the game. Hell, they're making it an explicit part of the marketing campaign now. You might have missed it but in the public address to the world about what CCP does, the goon's shenanigans were singled out as GÇ£this is EVE GÇö it is awesomeGÇ¥. So yeahGǪ no. They're not taking action against that in any way whatsoever.
GǪmuch like how people being drunk and partying is codified into the Fanfest, and they're not going to take action against that either. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
5
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:49:00 -
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Shut the **** up and go back to WoW you big baby. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
90
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:49:00 -
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You can always petition it under ToS 1:
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
ToS 16: You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
ToU: I Submit any Content, which is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way.
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Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
912
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:51:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.
See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.
If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.
I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.
Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.
You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.
These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.
So praying to God to help him in a game of pretend spaceships is all well and normal, but laughing at someone for being so completely unhinged to PRAY TO GOD for help in internet spaceships is terrible?
Guess I'm a terrible person.
Anyone who takes a game so seriously they are crying and praying to deities in real life deserves to be laughed at. It is also for their own good, since this is NOT ******* NORMAL and they need to get help. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
gfldex
396
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:52:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:PUBLIC ridicule in real life [...] eve mail to the forums
There is your contradiction. Kids have to be protected from bullies in school because they are force to go to this dreadful place by law. Folk have to be protected from mobbing in the office because they are forced by society to go to this dreadful place. Nobody is forced to play EVE. And if you send an eve mail to a goon that can be used against you, you deserve to be taught a lesson.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:54:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:The Mittani wrote:deal with it~ Is that all the great Mittani could come up with? Such a let down, would have expected more. I know, 'deal with it'. Come on, he is chair of the CSM, responsible for all players in New Eden...
Oh, wait a minute... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
314
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:The Mittani wrote: suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself. You mean the stuff CCP are taking action against apparently ? No, you must be thinking of something quite different. CCP is further codifying ganking and nonconsensual PvP, because it's a core part of the game. Hell, they're making it an explicit part of the marketing campaign now. You might have missed it but in the public address to the world about what CCP does, the goon's shenanigans were singled out as GÇ£this is EVE GÇö it is awesomeGÇ¥. So yeahGǪ no. They're not taking action against that in any way whatsoever. GǪmuch like how people being drunk and partying is codified into the Fanfest, and they're not going to take action against that either.
No tip I don't follow the 'publicity circus' of fanfest , just with the number of pirate tears round here I assumed things might be changing for the better.. see how it pans out hey
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
912
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:55:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Forums hosts are considered 'publishing companies' under most countries laws , the same rules would apply as a public letter published in a newspaper.
Also this is one of the main reasons moderation is compulsory as publishing obsence images or selling of illegal goods/services are not looked upon kindly.
The thing that stops any of these laws applying, ever, is that they are laughing at and posting mails from a *virtual character.* A virtual character said victimized person can simply disassociate from if he's too thin skinned.
No where in any law does it say you can't make up a name for someone and then publish bad things about said made up name.
Also there is the fact everything was factually accurate and quoted so any semblance of libel is moot. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
314
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:59:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Forums hosts are considered 'publishing companies' under most countries laws , the same rules would apply as a public letter published in a newspaper.
Also this is one of the main reasons moderation is compulsory as publishing obsence images or selling of illegal goods/services are not looked upon kindly. The thing that stops any of these laws applying, ever, .
Err yes man whatever you say
Go post some kiddie pics somewhere when the law kick your door down just tell em it wasn't you it was your Avatar
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
27
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Posted - 2012.03.25 17:07:00 -
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Bullying in any form is unacceptable, and this person should be encouraged to take the offical line via CCP rules. If it was limited to in-game, then "deal with it" would apply. Soon as it starts to be outside of game, then we're talking alot more serious. Plenty of real-life examples of people driven to suicide because of bullying, both in places like schools, as well as through the internet likes games and such. Eve should be a game that everyone can enjoy free from actual real-life harrassment. No different to racism imo, which would not be tolerated, but along the same lines.
Unfortunately, eve is full of dicks. Probably its greatest failing. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.03.25 17:08:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: The thing that stops any of these laws applying, ever, is that they are laughing at and posting mails from a *virtual character.* A virtual character said victimized person can simply disassociate from if he's too thin skinned.
Nowhere in any law does it say you can't make up a name for someone and then publish bad things about said made up name.
You're tripping over your own logical contortions here. If the name is 'for someone', then things said about that made up name are still about the same someone. If I punch someone I call '*****' in the face, I didn't punch anyone else than the underlying person just because I call them '*****', even if they also choose to call themselves that.
Personally, IF such behaviour happened I think, as a human, that it is lamentable, as is the attitude advanced in a few posts that mocking the psychologically unstable is a good thing to do as it will lead them to seek help (sure, that's how it works!). However, I'm less sure about how such lamentable behaviour should be understood within the context of a game, especially when no one has suggested that the unstable individual was role-playing that instability but allowing, at the same time, that responses to said instability from others may have been 'in role' (at least arguably). T'is murky to say the least.
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