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Lord Pestilence
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:39:00 -
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I personally posted on alt because i knew there would be attempts at swaying the discussion off topic towards who said it...not what was said.
Mittani should be held liable to his words. That he still finds this funny and only states: "deal with it!" as a reponse, just shows his true character more clearly.
I encourage everyone to petition this to CCP if you feel Mittani crossed the line in this matter.
In the end i would like to quote:
"CSM Representative Conduct
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow."
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Obviously Confidential
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:06:00 -
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thread delivers
when is this gem going to be up on CCP's official you tube channel, potential investors in soon to ipo companies are always interested in possible litigation issues |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
122
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:46:00 -
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Guys, earn yourself some self-respect and just leave this POS game. It's obvious that CCP and the whole CSM process is corrupt. It's not a game anymore when you have assholes manipulating players to kill themselves. |
Alita Tiphares
Aztek Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:59:00 -
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Obviously Confidential wrote:thread delivers when is this gem going to be up on CCP's official you tube channel, potential investors in soon to ipo companies are always interested in possible litigation issues
Look at the panel... just look at them. What a bunch of awkward betas. Was it michael boltons first time being drunk? Can you imagine him behaving like that in the real world? Hehe :D |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:20:00 -
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Top tip to the whiners:
If you hold the ALT key and tap the Q key then the imaginary world where big bad meanies can take away your pretend spaceships goes away, and you can go on with your life with no more reason to kill yourself than if you had never played the game.
You're all missing the point, anyway: Mittens was mocking the sobstory about how he wants to kill himself because he lost his ****.
If he actually DOES want to kill himself because he's not very good at an MMO then he has some serious, serious issues and needs help. Perhaps instead of white-knighting behind anonymous alts you can contact the guy and take him ice mining? Or, more accurately, tell him to stop playing the game and get some perspective on life?
If all you have to live for in life is your Mackinaw you need to TURN OFF THE ******* COMPUTER and fix that, not be mollycoddled and told the big bad meanies are acting illegally.
Jesus christ people. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
91
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:36:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: You're all missing the point
I think you miss the point here.
If someone acts suicidal you have various options to chose from.
The option "Hee all, this and this is his name, let's make him kill himself" isn't the option any sane person would opt.
Mittens went in against rules he agreed upon when he wanted to go for CSM and also his actions can be convicted under the harrassement rulings.
CCP however wont show any balls in this matter because Mittens has bedbuddies at CCP which originate from the same derelict group he leads. If they would actually treat Mittens as every other player then they might lose revenue OR god forbid, the Goons might make a total mess of the game and thus making them lose cash.
It's soo much easier to ignore the rules you set when they might hurt your wallet or someone you are aligned to.
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:40:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.
Shameful display. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:52:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:CCP however wont show any balls in this matter because Mittens has bedbuddies at CCP which originate from the same derelict group he leads
Did you come to this realization after we got the Recruitment MOTD fixed?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
335
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:57:00 -
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Obviously Confidential wrote:thread delivers when is this gem going to be up on CCP's official you tube channel, potential investors in soon to ipo companies are always interested in possible litigation issues
Very true I wonder if SONY would be interested in CCP community relations before they open there customers to such.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Wessler
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:59:00 -
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Word is spreading:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:01:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Very true I wonder if SONY would be interested in CCP community relations before they open there customers to such.
I would suggest that you go ask them but I don't think they listen to obese, katana-wielding paganists who put curses on others over the internet.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
335
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:03:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Very true I wonder if SONY would be interested in CCP community relations before they open there customers to such. I would suggest that you go ask them but I don't think they listen to obese, katana-wielding paganists who put curses on others over the internet.
Why did they ignore you when you talked to them
Nasty SONY
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Kain De'Stroi
Spiritus Draconis
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:10:00 -
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yesterday i posted in this thread and said i thought this was borderline. i take that back. years of playing eve has made me jaded. Mittens behaviour is not ok in anyway and is well beyond to where i think we should draw a line.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:19:00 -
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A GM or DEV won't do - we need commentary from CCP The Shark! to clarify the boundaries. Yes, that's right CCP's corporate mouthpiece!
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:36:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:The option "Hee all, this and this is his name, let's make him kill himself" isn't the option any sane person would opt.
Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt.
Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"
HE LOST A GAME. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:59:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt. Exactly; and someone who is in such a position is clearly not sane and is in need of help.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"
HE LOST A GAME. You obviously don't understand depression or suicide. It isn't the loss in game that caused this - it was another major Real Life event, or a series of them, or perhaps a chemical imbalance in the brain. Having your suicidal rage mail posted for all to see and mocked in public can be the thing that pushes someone over the edge.
When someone gets a mail like that, the LAST action someone should take is what Mittens did. The first action should be to contact CCP directly and let them know that there may be a problem.
Of course, this doesn't mean that we should have a ban on suicide ganking or whatnot because it might upset a very tiny minority of the playbase to take such actions. As you said, it is a game, and suicide ganking IS part of the game. That's fine.
Besides - when it is common knowledge that the player base makes a hero out of someone who does those things, people aren't going to be particularly interested in trying Eve. We expect Eve to be a cold, harsh place - in game. People sign up because of that. People enjoy Eve because of that.
But when it gets taken that far out of game peoples' opinions will change and they'll be driven away. There's a huge difference between being an incredible **** in game and one out of it. I don't think it is in CCP's best interests to have The Mittani as a representative of the players. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
for thelulz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:02:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.
You've just summed the entire situation up for me in this sentence. As someone who has been to several Fanfests, the notion of Fanfest being a drunken, shambolic event isn't that true. There are a very small number of people who are drunk all day, walking around making **** out of themselves.....most of which are best avoided.
The vast majority of people at FF are sober / have only had a few drinks and enjoy the days events without needing to resort to being loud mouth fools, which is what the panel turned into.
Sadly it feels like Fanfest is slowly heading down the direction of being a "COME HERE AND GET DRUNK" event, which certainly isn't what it was a few years back.
Don't really care much for the comments on the panel, but Fanfest isn't a drunken holiday for most people. Hopefully the few fools who decide to get drunk and shout at every opportunity don't discourage those who haven't been yet. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
93
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:09:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt.
Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"
HE LOST A GAME.
Your counterpoint is invalid due to one simple fact.
You base your point on the fact that everyone who goes online to game is mentally stable enough for it in the first place.
I think EVE more then enough proves the contrary.
Like you say. Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke.
But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies? In any case the only course of action should have been a mail to CCP so they can handle this in a way which doesn't risk someone who actually is unstable and might kill himself over something which in your world isn't worth losing your life over but which in his world might be just enough to kill himself over.
People are easy to judge other people according to their own "sanity", way of life and judgements. There is no room for actually considering there are a lot of people out there who genuinly are in need of help. And I don't mean the kind of help that kicks away the chair of someone who is trying to hang himself.
If you think EVE does NOT have players who might be suicidal:
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/182224.html
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/21332-Gamer_attempts_suicide_with_sawblade
http://kotaku.com/149939/thompson-on-the-gamer-suicide
I could go on, but heck, who cares anyways. Right.
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Obviously Confidential
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:39:00 -
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player
But...but...but...if mom and pop don't let the kids come to fanfest anymore how are we going to fill up the opera house AND the sports center next year?!?!?
If I remember the keynote correctly the plan was to put the EVE players on the opera house and the DUST514 players on the sports center. It's larger after all...
Seriously speaking, EVE fanfest and booze should be handled in the same way that the playboy mansion handles sex. All playboy shows us is some nice pics of Hugh and his guests in robes surrounded by girls. We all know what is going on. But we don't see it. Thus the brand doesn't get hurt. Fanfest is same. We can see people surrounded by beer, hear some jokes and have a pub crawl on the program. But if you start having drunk people making fools of themselves on camera, you are hurting your brand. And you open the door to this kind of random stuff happening, stuff that quickly can get out of control.
I don't care if some idiots decide to od on drugs before a live audience while advocating for mass suicide or whatever idiotic things people rave about when under the influence of whatever crap they take. What we should care about here is if these things hurt the game. This was not a big deal and it's not a major issue, it was basically a stupid thing done by drunk people. But it was certainly not good so without making a big deal out of it, what's going to happen is this is going to be kept under control and people will make sure it doesn't repeat itself.
Now please continue with the most entertaining drama. |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:59:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies?
Fine.
Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation.
Should take quite a bit of time, since the instances here number in the dozens.
Or, perhaps, I can accept that words do not always convey their literal meaning and some are meant for effect over substance. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Obviously Confidential
8
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:00:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:deal with it~
Then again they might force you to resign as CSM head. Or from the CSM. Or ban you temporarly. Or forever.
But how will the voters react then?
EVE drama, best drama |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
94
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:05:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies? Fine. Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation. Should take quite a bit of time, since the instances here number in the dozens. Or, perhaps, I can accept that words do not always convey their literal meaning and some are meant for effect over substance.
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals.
If someone threatens me in the real world I don't petition CCP. I call the cops. The cops then can have CCP release their real names to them and take the matter further.
Depending the outcome of such an investigation CCP may decide to either ban, warn or ignore that player.
You really should start reading up on the rules you agreed upon before trying to sound smug.
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Andrea Griffin
203
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Fine.
Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation. You should petition any real-life threat. It's not acceptable. Granted, those threats are hard to take seriously since it's hard to figure out where you live unless you outright tell them, but its not impossible. That doesn't mean that it is acceptable behavior.
CCP takes that stuff seriously. They're quick to take action on those kinds of issues. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
8
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:25:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.
See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.
If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.
I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.
Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.
You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.
These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted. deal with it~
HOLY **** - IS THIS YOUR ******* ANSWER? YOU ABSOLUTE LOW LIFE!! |
Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:29:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Kids will be kids.
I'd be more concerned if the behaviour continued outside the halls of fanfest whilst wearing CCP embossed garments perhaps?
No dude.
Mittani needs to be VERY careful!
There is a recent case very similar to this where the guy got a 10 year sentence because the guy did kill himself and he only got 10 years because the law wouldn't allow a higher sentence.
The Mittani is not 'a kid' under the law and what he did is very very dangerous to himself (Mittani). The Mittani should probably act with all aggressiveness to try to extricate himself from this or his life could turn to crap really fast. |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:46:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies? Fine. Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation. Should take quite a bit of time, since the instances here number in the dozens. Or, perhaps, I can accept that words do not always convey their literal meaning and some are meant for effect over substance. You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. If someone threatens me in the real world I don't petition CCP. I call the cops. The cops then can have CCP release their real names to them and take the matter further. Depending the outcome of such an investigation CCP may decide to either ban, warn or ignore that player. You really should start reading up on the rules you agreed upon before trying to sound smug.
Luckily I know I'm right, because you're always on the wrong side of getting up in arms about things not being fair and angry posting about it. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
24
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
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People are just upset that Mittens won again, and the only reason they are upset is because others are upset
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!
I would have told the guy to shoot himself too. The only people who are public with their depression/suicide thoughts are people who are looking for attention. People who are actually suicidal (and not mentally incapacitated) keep it to themselves. No one knows they are suicidal until they jump off a bridge. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2220
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:The Mittani wrote:deal with it~ HOLY **** - IS THIS YOUR ******* ANSWER? YOU ABSOLUTE LOW LIFE!!
Mission accomplished
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
876
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:50:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
Watch out guys. We got ourselves a badass over here. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:15:00 -
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Well the responsible adults among us, certainly hope that he gets help and doesn't follow thru on his threat.
I'm curious though, you would think Mittani would be more concerned about this. Online harrassment has gotten a lot of attention lately, people have been jailed for situations that led to death or serious injury. Certainly he can't be that out of touch with the real world....
So, is it the stupidest troll ever?
It's certainly bad enough to be... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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