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foreign company

See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.

See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.

If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.

I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.

Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.

You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.

These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.

deal with it~

deal with it~

deal with it~

deal with it~

suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.

Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.

, since its not clear that you actually comprehended

You mean the stuff CCP are taking action against apparently ?

See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.

See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.

If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.

I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.

Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.

You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.

These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.

PUBLIC ridicule in real life [...] eve mail to the forums

Is that all the great Mittani could come up with?


Such a let down, would have expected more. I know, 'deal with it'.

No, you must be thinking of something quite different.

CCP is further codifying ganking and nonconsensual PvP, because it's a core part of the game. Hell, they're making it an explicit part of the marketing campaign now. You might have missed it but in the public address to the world about what CCP does, the goon's shenanigans were singled out as GÇ£this is EVE GÇö it is awesomeGÇ¥. So yeahGǪ no. They're not taking action against that in any way whatsoever.

GǪmuch like how people being drunk and partying is codified into the Fanfest, and they're not going to take action against that either.

Forums hosts are considered 'publishing companies' under most countries laws , the same rules would apply as a public letter published in a newspaper.

Also this is one of the main reasons moderation is compulsory as publishing obsence images or selling of illegal goods/services are not looked upon kindly.

The thing that stops any of these laws applying, ever, .

The thing that stops any of these laws applying, ever, is that they are laughing at and posting mails from a *virtual character.* A virtual character said victimized person can simply disassociate from if he's too thin skinned.

Nowhere in any law does it say you can't make up a name for someone and then publish bad things about said made up name.

Unfortunately, eve is full of dicks. Probably its greatest failing.

You can always petition it under ToS 1:

These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.

Sure it can. Especially if it's funny and it is hilarious that anybody would threaten suicide over a video game.

Anybody who does that deserves to be mocked.

These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.

deal with it~

By the same token then, its more than allowed for the bullied person to go find his bullies in the real world and kick the **** outta them? If one is allowed, then so is the other.

Wow you represent me ? F**k. Oh well teaches me to vote next time.

Err yes man whatever you say

Go post some kiddie pics somewhere when the law kick your door down just tell em it wasn't you it was your Avatar

You're tripping over your own logical contortions here. If the name is 'for someone', then things said about that made up name are still about the same someone.

Pubbies say this every year and next year you won't vote either.

I didnt read the other thread on this, but if the story is true and if i were the victim, living in the US (or any other country with similar laws), i'd sue CCP for US-$ 500.000.000,00 for intentionally inflicting emotional distress. Sometimes people even win such cases.

An article to begin with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_infliction_of_emotional_distress

It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.

Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.

Like most internet law professionals you have no idea what you're talking about.

And you have an extremely ugly avatar face. Do yourself (and the rest of the forum community) a favour and end yourself (in game).

Straight from internet lawyering to personal attacks. Classy.

Speaking of petitions, how did yours go after the Recruitment MOTD scandal?

Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for.

Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for.

Dude you delibaretly targeted ingame someone you where aware was mentally unstable.....

Really

Are you proud of the outcome as well and would do the same thing again ?

Sorry to tell you that any communications between CCP and a player are not to be published.

Are we supposed to go out and get a psych evaluation for each person in-game before we blow up their ship?

Keep in mind, the evemail that was published was sent from the miner to Mittens...it's not like we hacked this guy's computer.

The thing that stops any of these laws applying, ever, is that they are laughing at and posting mails from a *virtual character.* A virtual character said victimized person can simply disassociate from if he's too thin skinned.

Nowhere in any law does it say you can't make up a name for someone and then publish bad things about said made up name.

Also there is the fact everything was factually accurate and quoted so any semblance of libel is moot.

The law, however, does have certain things to say about broadcasting threats. Specifically, if someone were to send a threatening letter to the suicidal person in question as a result of that drunken stunt, the sender of that letter (and the people involved in encouraging its sending) is subject to Federal prosecution, which gets the FBI involved and creates a whole galaxy of trouble.

Wheter libel charges are valid or not, it's still under Federal jurisdiction if it's send via inter-state communication.


Personally, I think that encouraging someone to commit suicide is just plain sick. But that's just me.

Do you realize how many people have threatened to punch goons at fanfest? It's almost a meme at this point.

But to address you point, no that would not be okay. Real life violence is actually a crime. Also, advocating for RL violence is a bannable offense in Eve Online.

It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.

Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.

Little head's up for you hon... other than the goons themselves, people don't really care all that much about you or your "elite" raid guild.

I have never once heard anyone in game say even a single complimentary word about your skill. Like every other major null sec alliance you are known as carebears. You might be the KING of the carebears, I will give you that much, but I am not really sure that is anything to boast about.

Anyway, I am being nice because you obviously care a great deal about your guild and I don't want to hurt your feelings. Just tone it down.

As for the topic of this thread.... bullying is a real problem and suicide is a bigger one. This incident should be examined by CCP. They need to ensure that this guy is actually okay, and they need to have a little talk with the folks involved. Sometimes we take things too far.

Mittani, could you possibly be more arrogant?

You have no idea.

Then again he did lead the most effective and successful CSM in history so maybe he's entitled to feel good about himself.

I have this image in my head of some 13 year old boy fapping three times a day to pictures of Mittani whenever I read one of your posts.

Make it stop, for the love of God!

Mr Epeen

You have no idea.

Then again he did lead the most effective and successful CSM in history so maybe he's entitled to feel good about himself.

ITT: Buttmad politically correct morons who were obviously beaten as children. Most of the people in this thread are what's ruining the world with your "you can't do this because of feelings" or "that's mean". HTFU

So you feel he is entitled to do whatever he likes, with any amount of collateral damage, because was on the CSM when CCP was doing badly?

You have no idea.

Then again he did lead the most effective and successful CSM in history so maybe he's entitled to feel good about himself.

Indeed he is. If you had quoted my entire post, you would have noticed that I congratulated him on just that. But feeling good about yourself is not the same as being arrogant.

Its the other way around mate. Being a succesful CSM chair is not a license to be arrogant on the public channels. Just the opposite.

no RP involved

Not true. Mittens is a LARPer.

No of course not. But he didn't do anything illegal or immoral. He made fun of some aspie miner and it was hilarious.

It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.

Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.

How can you not find this immoral?

Thats not what he says..... would you like me to search his posts and quote your Fuhrer to you?

Sure it can. Especially if it's funny and it is hilarious that anybody would threaten suicide over a video game.

Anybody who does that deserves to be mocked.

Only if you include some new videos of you practicing with your katana.

All these wonderful threads about us say otherwise.

Yes, we care a great deal about how random pubbies view our skill level.

lol guild

It's not CCP's responsibility to ensure the mental health of every single person who logs in to their game.

Sorry to dissapoint you I really have got one, send me one I'll swing it round for you though if it means so much to you

Tell you what I've got a better idea I'll get a razor sharp Katana, we can meet up at fanfest next year and I'll prove my skill splitting an apple on the Furhers head ok, course he'll have to sign wavers in case of accidental injury , those stunts can go badly wrong you know

Will you slather your naked hairy body with baby oil first? Because that's totally hot.

How many of you people wailing and crying about morals and ethics have tried to contact the guy to make sure he's okay?

Welcome to 1990.

In another PVP MMO I play, GMs took very permanently serious account decisions when similar situations happened.

Being psychologically weak to the point of risking suicide is not a joke, I had a guild mate (in that MMO) committing suicide just 2 months ago. It was not pretty.

There should be a thresold where being a d!ck in EvE should stop.

Sad to see some don't. I suppose it's the same group claiming that they RP being a d!ck in EvE but are the perfect man IRL.

Uh, dont post **** in an internet spaceship game that you don't want made public? Especially when you know that game is full of espionage and backstabbing?

Sucks for him but he should have known better.

You shouldnt whine about your private life on the internet anywhere, especily not in this game. Its internet 101. Dont give your name or address to people online. Dont tell them where you play soccer. Dont tell them any goddamn thing about your private life. Its the ******* internet. Welcome to 1990.

smacking my head into a brick wall. It only feels good when I stop.

Mr Epeen

Well seems we are all one happy carebear family today and to fly in the face of the 20 year old intraweebs handbook

The reason I have just cursed the Fuhrer to the 9th circle of hell is I have been sectioned against my will for a year after I became morbidly obbsesed with suicide

I was attacked in town and suffered a dozen head fractures, nearly died of a bone infection, and went through 2 surgeries

the recovery took over 12 months and afterward the incredible pain involved in the jaw/mouth surgery had warped my mind...

I'm just returning to normal life now really

In another PVP MMO I play, GMs took very permanently serious account decisions when similar situations happened.

Being psychologically weak to the point of risking suicide is not a joke, I had a guild mate (in that MMO) committing suicide just 2 months ago. It was not pretty.

There should be a thresold where being a d!ck in EvE should stop.

Sad to see some don't. I suppose it's the same group claiming that they RP being a d!ck in EvE but are the perfect man IRL.

okay I'll pretend to be depressed so that anybody who violences my ships gets banned from the game

Think thats about the most insightful thing I've seen you post m'lady

Just how many attackers did you fend off with your mighty sword?

Not quite sure why your convinced I've got a mighty sword

Mitty can keep on acting like a sociopathic little kid. Goons can keep on ridiculing humanity. CCP isn't liable. The rest of the community has a few days of new rants and business continous as usual.

The youtube videos you posted last night.

You seem to have me msitaken in 2 ways, identity and the imprssion you have I give a **** what you think

Cool jokes about peoples dead freinds.. sure your ma's very proud of you fella

If you're "psychologically weak to the point of risking suicide" you should not be playing EVE, period.

Why exactly , high sec is a very peaceful and calming place, you ,as all you PVP addicts, seem to think evrbody plays the same way as you and you need to be some intraweebs tough guy (RE Goons - Hard men are you? yes? no your pathetic bullies) , get over it you fool.

Oh Mittens! Let me caress your mighty dong!

Get in line, bro, I'm busy being fondled by all the other goons.

Oh mighty Mittens! How might I appeal to your massive ego so that I may secure access to your pants and Iteron Mk V!?

Poast on the forums so that you may embarrass yourself and every goon there is. Now, begone, I must attend to the drunken, idiotic masses of goons who wish to feel me up.

"very peaceful and calming place"

I was present at the alliance panel...and i must say that Mittani totally went overboard on this one.

If i remember correctly he stated: "If you really want this guy to kill himself, go send him a mail...his name is "insert name". ".

I didn-¦t have much respect for the man before that point...but a character that finds this acceptable and funny is irredeemable.

deal with it~

Look at this douche-wad. I'm all for trolling, but if what the OP says is true and you and your cronies were, in fact, encouraging someone who is already suicidal to commit suicide, you should go kill yourself.

edit: Deal with it.

And he just forced you to abandon the very morals that you were trying to defend. lulz

And he just forced you to abandon the very morals that you were trying to defend. lulz

If this is true this is very disheartening. And it's even a greater shame that CCP allows thid kind of behavior on its premises, nevermind the fact that this individual is a liason representative between the community and the company.

I don't expect individuals like the mittani to understand or care about crossing the line between game and real life, but CCP should know better.

There was a time I actually considered going to one of these events. I'm glad I haven't and won't.

Not entirely. From what I've seen Mittens isn't exactly suicidal. Then again, if I were him...

It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.

Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.

And he just forced you to abandon the very morals that you were trying to defend. lulz

The immaturity of all the people in this thread blows me away. "This is eve" sure, we play a game where people loose things, but at the end of the day, taking this into the real world and meta gaming it, which is thee only thing goons and Mittani know how to do, is crossing the line.

The Mittani and Goons are thee single greatest threat to Eve Online period. These are the people that drop real world death threats, and you people are OK with this? You say "Deal with it" when I wonder what you'd do or think, if a goon sent you a death threat in real life?

Anyway, doing all the stuff we do in a game is fine..but when it comes to this ****? It's crossing the line.

Comments being discussed are around 1:11:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz

Edit: It's not my post on youtube and it's shown as unlisted, so I don't know if it will stay up.

What the hell is all this? CCP Marketing didn't call Goons the best alliance in Eve for nothing. Anyone emotionally fragile enough to be pushed to suicide over a game really doesn't need to be playing that game.

CSM Representative Conduct

Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.

Comments being discussed are around 1:11:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz

Edit: It's not my post on youtube and it's shown as unlisted, so I don't know if it will stay up.

deal with it~

I'll just leave this here.

You just can't help but put your foot in it,eh? It's a cow pie! (We all yell!) You put your number ten in it and say,
"What's a cow pie?!"

This person aside, it is true if anything came of the behavior all involved are prosecutable. The Icelandic offenders may feel safe, until they put their foot off the plane. The Americans involved are known for living in a fool's paradise. (Note the above "comment".) Reality has a way of coming up and kicking such folks in the booty. These are not immune.

Where did you get your law degree?

Are you still diddling?

Are we supposed to go out and get a psych evaluation for each person in-game before we blow up their ship?

Keep in mind, the evemail that was published was sent from the miner to Mittens...it's not like we hacked this guy's computer.

This thread is ******* hilarious. I got a good few laughs while its quiet at work.

Mittens: Chairman for Life!

You know goonswarm wasn't always a place for steaming piles of human waste like you. They used to be quite respectable. *shakes head* I suppose it shows how things have gone down hill.

Sure it can. Especially if it's funny and it is hilarious that anybody would threaten suicide over a video game.

Anybody who does that deserves to be mocked.

And another pile of steaming human waste in a once proud and great organization.

Try looking up the word "Compassion" some day.

And another pile of steaming human waste in a once proud and great organization.

Try looking up the word "Compassion" some day.

Your use of the word 'Compassion' in regards to eve makes me think that you've bought that 2005 character, no-one playing for that long can so seriously not 'get' eve.

Who are you, and why do we care what you think?

"Hi, I'm a guy who played a long time ago, but doesn't really play now, because CCP didn't make the game I wanted. Here is what I think about the behavior of your space guilde."

I am a human being that embraces caring about the people behind the keyboard.

Clearly you aren't.

I am a human being that embraces caring about the people behind the keyboard.

Clearly you aren't.

I am a human being that embraces caring about the people behind the keyboard.

Clearly you aren't.

Thanks for making assumptions about me, that's really cool.

Having attempted suicide in the past over non-trivial things, your pooh poohing of the mockery of a fellow trying to garner sympathy from his ganker lets me know how much I can value your hastily formed opinion.

[quote=Rells]

I'm all for caring about people behind the keyboard. Assuming they are worth the effort of course.

It is goonswarm that deserves the requiem. What happened guys ? What hard times drove you to accept people like that?

Sad sad.

We (along with our allies) seem to be the only group still having fun in Eve. Maybe you should be asking what we're doing right!

We (along with our allies) seem to be the only group still having fun in Eve. Maybe you should be asking what we're doing right!

i have fun in eve what are you talking about?

Is that all the great Mittani could come up with?


Such a let down, would have expected more. I know, 'deal with it'.

The simplest answer is often the right one.

Anyone emotionally fragile enough to be pushed to suicide over a game really doesn't need to be playing that game.

"I hassled a guy until he put a bullet in his brain!!!" -> I certainly hope my life amounts to more than that but I guess some people consider it a worthy acheivement.

Comments being discussed are around 1:11:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz

Edit: It's not my post on youtube and it's shown as unlisted, so I don't know if it will stay up.

thread delivers

when is this gem going to be up on CCP's official you tube channel, potential investors in soon to ipo companies are always interested in possible litigation issues

You're all missing the point

It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.

Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.

CCP however wont show any balls in this matter because Mittens has bedbuddies at CCP which originate from the same derelict group he leads

thread delivers

when is this gem going to be up on CCP's official you tube channel, potential investors in soon to ipo companies are always interested in possible litigation issues

Very true I wonder if SONY would be interested in CCP community relations before they open there customers to such.

I would suggest that you go ask them but I don't think they listen to obese, katana-wielding paganists who put curses on others over the internet.

The option "Hee all, this and this is his name, let's make him kill himself" isn't the option any sane person would opt.

Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt.

Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"

HE LOST A GAME.

It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.

Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt.

Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"

HE LOST A GAME.

But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies?

deal with it~

Fine.

Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation.

Should take quite a bit of time, since the instances here number in the dozens.

Or, perhaps, I can accept that words do not always convey their literal meaning and some are meant for effect over substance.

Fine.

Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation.

deal with it~

Kids will be kids.

I'd be more concerned if the behaviour continued outside the halls of fanfest whilst wearing CCP embossed garments perhaps?

You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals.

If someone threatens me in the real world I don't petition CCP. I call the cops.
The cops then can have CCP release their real names to them and take the matter further.

Depending the outcome of such an investigation CCP may decide to either ban, warn or ignore that player.


You really should start reading up on the rules you agreed upon before trying to sound smug.