First off I'd like to see an improvement on the visuals. Projectiles coming in at Mach 25 or higher or a laser strong enough to burn through a planet's entire atmosphere should leave some big, glowing white-hot crater at least.

- One feature that didn't quite make it in time for fanfest is displaying the damage done on the battlefield to people, vehicles and structures. That feedback is especially important when you don't have an EVE and DUST client side by side. I'm interested in ideas here on how you would want that information visualized.

Bombardments also shouldn't be able to be completed as effectively in disposable ships like stealth bombers or t3 battlecruisers, who can use battleship weapons but with drastically less cost. Anything smaller than battleship weapons should be not very effective on a tide-turning scale, but might be good for taking out a tank or a group of clustered-up players.

Yes, console gamers will really enjoy maps where the results are impacted by faggots on a PC fapping untouchably from space

Yes, console gamers will really enjoy maps where the results are impacted by faggots on a PC fapping untouchably from space

Herp a derp:
- There have already been a variety of suggestions on how to make sure it isn't one sided or overpowered.

Maybe add a feature of "Warp to Bombardment Location"...

If you look carefully at the video you'll see we are not actually at the planet warp in, but at a location closer to the target.

We are iterating on a number of solutions to achieve this.

An easy way to get around orbiting a planet to be on top of a district would to have districts line up with existing celestial objects around the planet (asteroid belts, customs offices, planet warpin, etc) so that if you wanted to bombard a specific district you would warp to a specific celestial. Of course, the districts should say which object they are closest to to make it easy.

If you don't want to do this, you could group together a bunch of districts in a specific area on the planet and have them become new warpable objects.

I dunno I mean I know its complicated and there are the crap tonns of 'what ifs' but planets that dont revolve around thier star is something missing from eve in forever and even sadder if and when implimented would have minor visual effects cept for people living from a station where one day its dark side next day on the bright side of the planet.

A cheap solution would be to park somewhere and sling shot the strike to location. However i feel thats very un-science fictiony despite being an actual possibility in reality.

If orbital strikes are taking place at much lower altitudes (mesosphere) could shields and armor take damage from atmospheric erosion, in much the same way as entering a toxic gas cloud? Visually, this could be seen by the capsuleer as an ionisation halo surrounding their ship.

The core of EVEs physics engine cant handle this. and not likely to for years to come as it would require major surgery to the guts of EVEs submarine mechanics.

Just add another nav point for each dustside mission currently available. The same thing was done with the PI command center launcher.

On another note, I don't really care as I won't buy a PS3 just to play one game. Scratch that, I won't buy any console, ever.

Just add another nav point for each dustside mission currently available. The same thing was done with the PI command center launcher.

On another note, I don't really care as I won't buy a PS3 just to play one game. Scratch that, I won't buy any console, ever.

As currently shown in the demo, orbital bombing (OB) looks really OP.

I think that it should never be possible to win against an opponent just by nuking him from orbit; OB should be just a rightfully important complement but not the main weapon used to win the DUST game.

[quote=J3ssica Alba]
Gotta leave some candy for a Titan shot.

There could be an in space engagement zone for the purposes of Orbital Bombardment above each district. Since the planet rotates these would need to be detached from the solar system's physics simulation. To keep things simple a ship would have to first warp to the planet, then "enter orbit" which would move them to the engagement zone at a lower altitude. This would also allow blockades as groups could fortify the planet's warp in points. The normal warp in, customs office, orbital command center, etc could all be valid points for entering orbit.

- There have already been a variety of suggestions on how to make sure it isn't one sided or overpowered. I'm sure people have a lot of interesting ideas on how to counter an orbital strike, so feel free to discuss those here too.

Just thought of another feature, and it would help give some love to under-used ships,

Let EW frigs help boost the effectiveness of the strike, by fitting something like a target painter but a planet version

Just thought of another feature, and it would help give some love to under-used ships,

Let EW frigs help boost the effectiveness of the strike, by fitting something like a target painter but a planet version

I want the properties of the weapons I am using to have a visible effect on the bombardment FX.

So I can use a rainbow tachyon abaddon to nuke people.

There's two key points missing in all this. Where and why!

I'm assuming OB will only be possible in Low/null/wh space.

TL;DR; PI isn't all that valuable to justify all this conflict. There wont be that much fighting unless they open it up to highsec and it's legion of griefers! :D

Yeah, PI will have to turn into a real ISK faucet to drive the type of conflict I think they're expecting. Anyway, as long as I can nuke anyone (including my own guys), I'm a happy camper :D

Damn, I'd sacrifice a couple of Megas just to see the tears on that chat when I nuked my team back to orbit! :D

Perhaps just have permanent warp-ins above every planetary district, potentially on the overview? let any old ship turn up their any time of day to have a look. I guess in a fairly abstract sense, moons are a warp-ins on a planet too.

Having dust players broadcasting the warp-ins to their support fleets (both defence and offence) seems a bit forced. Pilots should know where the major districts on planets are (or it should be in their computer systems). I mean, its not like finding New York or LA from orbit would be that hard.

An idea just occurred to me though: further down the track covert-ops locations in Dust that eve pilots do need a broadcast warp-in for... things like secret research outposts etc.

A few things I would like to see with Orbital Bombardment:

1. Bombardment seige module - 2-5 minute cooldown - don't make it ship specific but rather have a fairly high CPU requirement, so you could have some novelty fits with stacked Co-Processors or something.
2. Bombardment specific weapons and ammo - only operational in siege mode
3. Sub-optimal surface to air defenses that are optimized by Dust/EVE player cooperation - basically a reverse of the orbital bombardment mechanic.
4. ECM or ECCM deploy-able structures for Dust players that would jam the link for orbital bombardment

Lets take the e3 2011 trailer as a rough example of price point.
Infantry assault armor 375,000 isk
Heavy Gunnlogi tank 1,400,000 isk
ROV Drone 4,400,000 isk.
Installation Railgun turret, 1,000,000 isk
MCC 120,000,000 isk

Yet they wont be seeded to EVE market for a long time tell DUST gets properly interwoven as FW Dust seems to be very disconnected from the universe for launch.
Some game types will always have a MCC at the brink of destruction. And we will likely see these products being much cheaper.

Plus it seems you can only nuke your own guys if the guy on the ground targets his own people currently. Betrayal of this sort will likely be saved for sov 0.0 Dust and FW will be the "highsec" of Dust.

ECM would be keeping planetary turrets from getting us in EVE.
EMP would be stalling most ground equipment. Drone dropships are iffy on this, as lore wise because of their over throttled magnetic tractor to haul heavy combat units, its AI and flight controls are heavily shielded. Perhaps if a Drone dropship was under 50% health it would succumb to a EMP attack.

First off I'd like to see an improvement on the visuals. Projectiles coming in at Mach 25 or higher or a laser strong enough to burn through a planet's entire atmosphere should leave some big, glowing white-hot crater at least.

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The Mittani.

accurate strikes difficult, might need some sort of siege mode, cannot make it too easy to bombard
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Bombardment Computer I
An advanced cluster of computers soft-wired to a ship's hull. When activated, all available energy is diverted from a ship's propulsion and warp systems to the cluster and hull connectors. The ship is effectively converted into an immensely powerful and accurate high-gain antenna, capable of cutting through the powerful interference of stellar phenomena and battlefield ECM to pinpoint weak planetside signals.

This provides the pilot with the ability to rapidly calculate firing solutions and bombard targets on a planetary battlefield from high orbit to an accuracy of one micrometer.

However, the lack of power to locomotion systems means that standard propulsion, warp travel and docking will all be impossible while the ship remains in bombardment mode.

Note: Only one bombardment computer can fitted to a ship.

5000mm Rod Cannon I
An enormous cannon capable of accelerating 5-meter shells to relativistic speeds. Shows ground-pounding mercs the true meaning of "Rods from God".

Must be loaded with any of the following projectile ammo types: Carbonized Lead, Depleted Uranium, EMP, Fusion, Nuclear, Phased Plasma, Proton, or Titanium Sabot.

Note: This weapon is only capable of tracking planet-side targets, and requires the assistance of an active Bombardment Computer to do so.

Surface to Space Weapons (Someone mentioned the Ion Cannon also from Empire Strikes Back, the cannon was massive though and would be difficult to move from colony to colony, some sort of smaller weapons might be in order (Hoth was the Rebel HQ at the time is why it had the Ion Cannon)).

If you look carefully at the video you'll see we are not actually at the planet warp in, but at a location closer to the target.

We are iterating on a number of solutions to achieve this.

One thing DUST really needs, is to show COD clowns what risk is. I hope they have to up date their clone everytime they die like EVE players do, cause it could happen on average every 10 seconds.

I like that idea

If the aggressors can issue a contract for an OB, I would hope that defenders could, in turn, issue a contract for Orbital Defence. This would be like a DGC of the complex like idea (if I'm interpreting it right) of Valeo's quoted post.

I have a mechanics question.

I'm an avid Halo player. Lag is a straight up killer. I don't even want to play a laggy game... at all. EvE is different so it's not really as big an issue in big fleet fights, and time dilation is just awesome. Truely... so nice work there. Now for the question:

What happens if you are sitting in siege in your dread above a planet getting ready to nuke the surface and 2000 of your closest friends warp in and the system goes into time dilation? What happens on the ground in DUST? Are the DUST players on the same tranquility node?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Forgot to mention....

Carriers should get something similar for their fighters, an air strike. Obviously this would take a while longer than the bombardment and would at most damage structures, clear vehicles and infantry.

Supers get bombing runs that should be more destructive, capable of almost leveling buildings, ripping vehicles to shreds and incinerating infantry.

I say that if carriers get airstrikes then they need to not only be a swath of destruction but able to be shot down and for exachange of all that be able to be more precise and not hit friendlies as easy.

You want ordinarily uncontrollable Drone AI to all of a sudden be able to actually target things accurately and show signs of intelligence? Far too immersion breaking for me. I think they should have a 50% chance to attack the wrong team, 30% chance to just shoot themselves or crash into buildings and 20% chance to aim in the general direction of the opposing force. Make them more ( Drone like IMO )

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The tank, the remote repairers, all the buildings - in fact the surrounding area for miles around ought to be turned to glass after a volley from an Abaddon - you silly person

or should i say oght and lose the U seeing as Eve is going all yank.

I thought about that for fluff earlier. There is an effect from too much energy. By all rights, a bombardment cannon cannot have the same energy behind it as the spacial shots. Projectile or otherwize. If you shot at the atmosphere with a projectile or hybrid, the sheer physics of colliding with the atmosphere would destroy the shot before hitting ground. We can only assume that the laser energy would just disrupt everything too. They sorta touch on it in Templar One. So the guns for bombardment are not doing damage equal to that which hit our ships, but that is just so the shots reach ground.

We do less dmg because of concord...can't have capsulers glassing planets.


we fire nuclear artiallry at each other larger than any artillary ever fired.

I thought about that for fluff earlier. There is an effect from too much energy. By all rights, a bombardment cannon cannot have the same energy behind it as the spacial shots. Projectile or otherwize. If you shot at the atmosphere with a projectile or hybrid, the sheer physics of colliding with the atmosphere would destroy the shot before hitting ground. We can only assume that the laser energy would just disrupt everything too. They sorta touch on it in Templar One. So the guns for bombardment are not doing damage equal to that which hit our ships, but that is just so the shots reach ground.

I'm sorry if this was answered earlier, but by summer (with all those beta guys planetside), can we EvE folk be looking at bombarding planets in Inferno?

I heard something along the lines of it being for FW at start... but I'd love to try my hand in my little Seyllin, what with two Temperate planets and all.

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Also we want to specifically offer a range of precision bombardments as well as the nuke it from orbit option depending on your objective for that district. Destroying everything should come with its disadvantages, even though its fracking awesome

Doomsday=Nuclear strike.

i dont really like the idea of limiting the ability for an orbital bombardment by the map on the ground

if players have the ability to perform an orbital strike nothing should stop them (given there are ways to defend against it without having own ships in space)


im totally cool with orbital strikes damaging or destroying those installations on the planets the players are fighting for (and want to keep)

Hi. I'm a n00b. Do we know what class(es) of ship will be able to use Orbital Bombardment? I ask because I want to know what skills I should be leveling in preparation for Dust. Thank you.

The tank, the remote repairers, all the buildings - in fact the surrounding area for miles around ought to be turned to glass after a volley from an Abaddon - you silly person

or should i say oght and lose the U seeing as Eve is going all yank.

I say that if carriers get airstrikes then they need to not only be a swath of destruction but able to be shot down and for exachange of all that be able to be more precise and not hit friendlies as easy.

Also we want to specifically offer a range of precision bombardments as well as the nuke it from orbit option depending on your objective for that district. Destroying everything should come with its disadvantages, even though its fracking awesome.

I think the full on Nuke it from Orbit option should destroy some of the value of that district, IE, the resources gathered from it are decreased. Otherwise, if all Nuke it from Orbit does it affect the battle, then everyone will do it every chance they get. Tactically it might make sense, but strategically, sometimes it doesn't. And especially when dealing with an Industrial district, that either extracts resources from the planet, or manufacturers stuff for sale on the market, you won't want to destroy the infrastructure you have built up there. It could also then be used by the losing side when they know they can no longer win the fight, Nuke it from Orbit and destroy as much of the enemies infrastructure as possible.
I hope I made sense there, in my head I have a clear picture of what I'm trying to say but I'm not sure if it come out how I wanted it to

Also, IMO, Nuking from Orbit should not be the default Orbital Bombardment option.

Supers get bombing runs that should be more destructive, capable of almost leveling buildings, ripping vehicles to shreds and incinerating infantry.

But infantry have too small a sig radius to take much damage from fighter bombers.

My views on orbital strikes

FRIENDLY FIRE ENABLED! I cannot stress this enough this will leave room for backstabbing that eve is accustomed too and Dust 514 needs its fair share.

I say no. Bombardment wouldnt be used for anything but griefing then and the whole point of it would be lost.

People need to stop saying this!

EvE Players dont get to aim, watch the vid, DUST bunnies give lock on code, then target paint where THEY want to hit.

And if you have DUSTies shooting themselves on the ground well you can have an auto kick/ban for repeated FF incidents, and its no diff than someone intentionally grenadin teammates....

Dust Bunnies not DUSTies but yes freindly fire is part of dust just think of all the lulz from the fanfest turnement when teamates walked in front of their teams atocannon. If you unitentenaly walk into an OB and it wasn't intintanaly amed at you thats your falt.

If it is amed at you(and is freindly) then why did you give that person control of your teams OB cortex?

Yea i'm just talking directly to the people who think Pod Pilot can choose where to fire, its all in hands of DUST bunnies.

and yea friendly fires goin nowhere, I ehhh was one of those people who accidently killed teammate xD but in my defence I still came first on my team!

More obvious damage on the Dust side, perhaps some kind of animation on the planet surface for the eve client and make sure people can see the ship shooting from the eve client. When the abaddon was shooting the purple lazors on the demo, I didn't see any lasers actually coming out of the ship, just them landing on the dust side

That 'bombardment' was more like a drizzle. unimpressive and not intimidating. Needs to make a much much bigger boom.

That 'bombardment' was more like a drizzle. unimpressive and not intimidating. Needs to make a much much bigger boom.

Dang Gogela from yesterday... that was a good question! I don't know the answer...

Nope

On carriers and fighters

• Carriers (and super carriers) should be able to assign their fighters or fighter bombers to a particular battlefield. While they are assigned, they count towards the currently deployed drone count and towards bandwidth used. A maximum of 5 can be assigned to each battlefield.
• Fighters and fighter bombers can be recalled at any time before they have been called in by the DUST 514 commander. Their status in the drone control window will indicate if they are "On station" (waiting for orders) or executing orders (indicated by the attack type - see below)
• A commander has several options for how he can utilise his assigned fighters. They are attack run, overwatch or intercept. Fighter bombers can only use the attack run option.
• Attack run calls in the fighters to strafe a certain area using their weapons. The attack area is a corridor indicated by the commander. For each assigned fighter or fighter bomber, the commander can place one corridor, each of which will be executed in sequential order. Fighter Bombers are more powerful and have a larger attack corridor
• Overwatch requires a beacon and LOS of the target area. Once placed, any enemy that enters the area designated will be attacked by a single fighter. After a short cooldown, another fighter will attack the target if it is still in the attack area. This will continue until either all the fighters have made their attacks, the beacon is destroyed or the fighters are otherwise disabled
• Intercept will have the fighters go on standby, and attack any hostile fighters or fighter bombers that enter the battlefield. They can also, if instructed by the commander, attack any aircraft visible. If both sides task their fighters to intercept, then they both immediately engage each other.
• Both fighters and fighter bombers can be shot down. If one is destroyed, then it is actually destroyed in EVE as well.
• Fighters and Fighter bombers are both weaker than their counterpart weapons fire from ships in orbit. If the carrier or super carrier they are based off of leaves orbit, they will return to it's drone bay
• Once a fighter or fighter bomber returns to it's ship, it will return to the drone bay and will be unable to used until a cooldown has passed (it's being rearmed/refuelled). This applies regardless of whether it executed a mission or not.

Other odds and ends

• Orbital bombardment should be a powerful tool, but it alone should not dictate the victor.
• Bombs (from stealth bombers) shouldn't have any use on the battlefield. However, their siege launchers are a different matter and should be handled as normal.
• As far as maintaining orbit with rotating planets, if they can't make grids that rotate with the planet (best option but a technical nightmare) then stopping the rotation would be quickest and easiest solution available.
• Gogela does ask an interesting technical question I have asked before but didn't get an answer to: What happens if the node the EVE player is on is under the effects of TiDi?

That's just my thoughts at the moment. Hope that helps.

I dont love the vibe of only deploying 5 drones per field.

I Say let the drones blot out the sun(s)





Moar defenseless carriers in orbit, more space pew pew, more drama planet side when the nerd rage starts

Bliss.

You forget, that's per battlefield. You could quite easily assign the others to other battlefields within the same district, or even another district entirely. You are fighting on multiple fronts, aren't you?

Totally. Gogela from 2 days ago that is a pretty good observation. I'm amazed that no-one has thought of this. Think FPS'ers are gonna go for time dilation?

Yah... me either...

With the future of EVE communications going mobile and text chats being available on multiple devices, have devs implemented any means of connecting EVE channels to Dust, or better yet, the voice channels? Otherwise I do not see how an either console or PC exclusive player is communicating with one another?

Both EVE and DUST 514 already share the same text channels in the build we were shown. Not sure on voice, but it's planned as well.

Totally. Gogela from 2 days ago that is a pretty good observation. I'm amazed that no-one has thought of this. Think FPS'ers are gonna go for time dilation?

Yah... me either...

Posted - 2011.06.07 16:11:00 - [307]
tbh i do seriously need veritas to see this!!

just wanted to let him know that if the videos coming out to do with the "future vision" of eve and the new DUST514 one with weapons fire between static structures and orbital capital ships are to become a reality he will need to liaise with the dev's in shanghai and newcastle about the issues of server lag and the implementation of time dilation into Dust514.

As de-sync's between the two while theres weapons fire between them will cause A LOT of rage from cap pilots.

If CCP goes with the carrier attack type with drones and fighters how will this be affected by the Dust based fighters shown in the 2009 Demo? can Dust player shoot them out of the sky in a dogfight or do they orbit over the battle field to high to engage?

Side thought.

Dusties should be able to drive off an orbating ship.

Rather than a one shot kill uber lazer some sort of contious beam damage would be much better forcing the ship off to repair before returning. This may also weaken a ship so it is easy prey.

The damage would be somethign controlable on the map and upgradable by dusties.

The uber lazer( or sky-fire battery) looks more like a Titans Dooms Day Device with probably the same type of cool-down. Smaller batteries probably exist witch are more like regular warship turrets.

People need to stop saying this!

EvE Players dont get to aim, watch the vid, DUST bunnies give lock on code, then target paint where THEY want to hit.

And if you have DUSTies shooting themselves on the ground well you can have an auto kick/ban for repeated FF incidents, and its no diff than someone intentionally grenadin teammates....

There must be an element of risk to doing an orbital bombardment,

Battlecruisers, who can use battleship weapons but with drastically less cost. Anything smaller than battleship weapons should be not very effective on a tide-turning scale, but might be good for taking out a tank or a group of clustered-up players. ----

---Different gun types should have different bombardment effects, both visually and the types of damage dealt and the precision of the strike. ex: Autocannons can be more spread out and deal less damage, whereas a beam laser will be right on target and do a ton of damage, but only have a small area of effect.----

Of course, the planets should be able to fire back and destroy at anything that can shoot at it, so if you allow titans and supers to bombard, the planets should be able to kill them too. The anti-bombardment guns shouldn't necessarily require the ownership of a specific, highly-important structure, but it could potentially be a deployable, or a minor objective on a map. It should be destroyable by eve players, but repairable by dust players if they receive the opportunity.

Whats the point of friendly fire then if it gets you automatically kicked?

ps. Why did you think its only Eve players who want to grief somebody?