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Chorizo Chorizo	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:25:00 - [1] Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called right off the bat. I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. I know its the internet and all that stuff and we need to be thick skinned etc. I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere.
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:27:00 - [2] Trolling is not permitted on the forums. ~Saint
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:29:00 - [3] i just dont care... and i curse too much myself... not in any chats but by myself :P ---------------------------------- Fighting for something Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:33:00 - [4] practice alot and just kick their butts while theyre swearing in local, works fine for me, and is more satisfying then killin a friendly newbie. - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:34:00 - [5] The more the smack, the worse they shoot. Just keep that rule in mind, and smile when they mouth off.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:35:00 - [6] People use local as chat? -------- Ideas for: Mining
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called "C()nt" right off the bat. I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. I know its the internet and all that stuff and we need to be thick skinned etc. I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere. First off, love chorizo sausages, amazing things. Second off, Im a very mature 26 year old law school grad who feels the need to swear like a dirty sailor, at times, in local. It can be a very emotional game when everything's riding on the line. I believe that warrants some highly volatile langauge. ----------------- Friends Forever
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:39:00 - [8] hold on a sec, let me fill out your hurt feelings report: lol, if you cant handle the occasional cursing, then you cant handle this game. Please, jump into traffic
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:43:00 - [9] If someone is getting emotional, you should file a petition. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:48:00 - [10] Welcome to EVE's mature, intelligent playerbase. - DesuSigs
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:49:00 - [11] Its a video game. I'm not going to curtail my language as if I'm at work while I'm playing a game. Granted, there's a fine line when enough is enough but if someone drops the occassional F-bomb here and there or whatever its not a big deal.
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:51:00 - [12] Doesn't eve have an 'adault rating'? dont get me wrong, racial and religous comments are teh no-no, but surely you can critisise people using colorfull language? Personally i run a no-smak policy becuase its good for buiseness, but in an adualt rated game you must expect this? Umbra Recruitment
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.15 14:56:00 - [13] People are morons. The internet is full of people. EVE is on the internet.
Norma Stitz	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:07:00 - [14] Chorizo, No point in using colourful language if no one is going to be offended by it. Thank you for filling such a valuable role in life.
Phaige Minmatar Reaver Construction Services	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I *was* someone who was raised with manners. Must... resist... asking what... you are now... On a more serious note. Yes, there are many tools in the Verse. Yes, said tools make a lot of racket. Unfortuanally trying to put a filter on the internet is like trying to defend FEMA post Katrina, its just not possiable. How else do you think we ended up cursed with 1337 speek? I blame filters. ----------------------------------------------- You may be a King or a little Street Sweeper, but sooner or later you dance wi' de' Reaper!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:14:00 - [16] I share your concerns
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:22:00 - [17] Didn't you got the memo ? talking like a jerk is the real fotl2y ...
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:22:00 - [18] To me, bad language is a sign of low intelligence. I don't care who uses it, what people they are IRL, what their actual IQ is, or how old they are. If someone levels personal attacks at me, I stop regarding them as a human being, and will from then on treat them like a spam email. This is the insult I return them for their vocal insults. Most of them never notice, and never feel insulted, but that is not the point. The real point shows itself when those same people come around suddenly needing something from me or my friends a few months later
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Qordel on 15/09/2008 15:46:46 As an adult, I speak however the **** I like. As an adult, you're free to block me. I have no interest in seeing every "naughty" word across every language and different societies filtered or prevented online. You're correct that people are adults and as adults we live in a world where people can say whatever they like and we don't run around crying and tattling. Really, who in the hell are you to dictate whether someone can utter curse words and vulgarities or not? This isn't Hello Kitty Online. This isn't a Disney game. You're not better than anyone else simply because you think certain words are "naughty". Good for you. I don't care. I'm extremely offended by racist and homophobic remarks -- here and elsewhere. Now that truly is offensive. Words chosen to convey thoughts are not particularly offensive unless you're used to being daddy's pretty little princess and chastising people for choosing more colorful language. What is truly offensive (other than telling people how to talk) is hateful language. You can spread your homophobic and racist tripe without using any vulgarities whatsoever. I really wish I could time travel to some period in the future where someone doesn't get their panties in a twist because someone says the F word. Not to mention, I can't wait to live in a world where the greatest catastrophe facing mankind is offending people by saying sht instead of "p00py" (which I find far more offensive for the sheer stupidity of the word). So, in short, I don't give a *** if you were raised with manners. I was raised with free speech and the expectation that in return for my freedom to say what I like, I am expected not to prevent other people from saying what they like. Even if it's something I don't particularly care for. As for vulgarity being a sign of low intelligence? I find that the most unintelligent people tend to be the ignorant twits who go around wasting their energy giving a damn how other adults speak. Just because you swear up a storm when you're at a bar or watching a game with some mates doesn't mean that your typical conversation consists of the same language. Frankly, if you think that leveling such insults or judgments against us for our choice of colorful language bothers us in the least -- it does not. Not one iota. Such a person is clearly so unbelievably up-tight that they'd suck the joy out of any situation. Really, what could be a sign of lower intelligence than giving a damn what language other people use, anyway? And even more, whining about it on forums. Were yout he kid who ran to mommy and daddy if another kid said something on the playground? I don't doubt it. Now, if you had been criticizing the actual DISCUSSIONS in Eve, I might be more likely to side with you. I don't care if someone talks about what a terrible F-ing day they had dealing with mother-F-ing gatecampers. On racist and anti-gay hatespeech and other mindless, hateful, ignorant soap-boxing -- I would entirely agree with your disdain for it. However, you didn't say anything about that and were more concerned with people not conducting themselves as they would in the sunday-school class you apparently teach when you're not on Eve. Fortunately, I have found those topics to be rarer in Eve than elsewhere (thank the holy flying spaghetti monster for that!).
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called right off the bat. I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. I know its the internet and all that stuff and we need to be thick skinned etc. I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere. I'm sick of people not using the apostrophe mark and starting all their sentences with 'I' Seriously though, I don't like to see it that much either, but it's a free world; If the language bothers you this greatly just ignore local. Sorry to sound harsh but I'd rather they didn't dumb down the adult sandbox we play in, because you feel sensitive when someone calls you names.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:43:00 - [21] I'm sick of your name already and I haven't even found my ketchup yet. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Joe Doesn't eve have an 'adault rating'? Nope teen, but of course "Online interaction not rated by the ESRB". But it means that if you do say very adult stuff you will get your bottie smacked if you are reported.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.09.15 16:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called right off the bat. I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. I know its the internet and all that stuff and we need to be thick skinned etc. I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere. .... Minimize the chat window. Problem solved. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Takon Orlani Caldari Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.09.15 16:13:00 - [24] Go * a ing you ing peice of loving * ***
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.09.15 16:31:00 - [25] I don't see the point in actually using "naughty words" when you can be far more descriptive using Shakespearean insults. I hope one of your family develops fungal growths on their genitalia! Thou was not born in wedlock and have the personal hygiene of an unwashed bluebottle! Far better.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.15 16:39:00 - [26] Pendejos, the lot of ya.
Roc Wieler Freeform Industries	Posted - 2008.09.15 16:43:00 - [27] This phrase sums it up for me, and is in line with what a few others are saying. "Swearing is but a crutch upon which uneducated people lean to express themselves." Doesn't matter what age you are, what rating the game is, it all comes down to lack of ability to communicate in any other way. For me, I find it disappointing because I enjoy RP. I play my character. If you're in my fleet and you're cursing needlessly, you aren't in my fleet for long. "Never start a fight you can win." - Roc Wieler
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.09.15 16:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin I don't see the point in actually using "naughty words" when you can be far more descriptive using Shakespearean insults. I hope one of your family develops fungal growths on their genitalia! Thou was not born in wedlock and have the personal hygiene of an unwashed bluebottle! Far better. /thread
Naga Elohim Amarr Forsaken Death Squad	Posted - 2008.09.15 16:48:00 - [29] Smack them with your virtual Chorizo!!!!
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.15 17:10:00 - [30] Appears to be a bunch of stuffy *****s in this thread. ----------------- Friends Forever**
Sydonis Caldari Freelance Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2008.09.15 17:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called right off the bat. I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. I know its the internet and all that stuff and we need to be thick skinned etc. I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere. Nice troll... I mean, jeez... 4 years ago I saw some real fun where language was concerned... ATUK and Shinra had some guys who could REALLY throw the smack-talk... so I don't know what the heck you're on about only 2 years ago. Have fun blocking most of EVE... because I suspect that's where you're headed with this.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.15 17:22:00 - [32] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 15/09/2008 17:22:52 The only time I've ever actually gotten mad over a chat convo in Eve didn't include any profanity at all. It was more like me and another guy, the both of us obstinate in our refusal to concede any point of superiority to the other's argument, droning back and forth in local for like twenty minutes. Or it seemed that long. Probably wasn't more than five or ten in reality. Profanity-laden chat is just funny.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.15 18:22:00 - [33] Sigh. Swear words are just another way to express ideas. There is nothing that should be offensive about them. If it bothers you, then the problem resides between keyboard and chair.
Psychotic Turtle Minmatar Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.15 18:54:00 - [34] Edited by: Psychotic Turtle on 15/09/2008 18:55:12 I hear your concerns and belive i might have found a more suitable enviormnent for you with proprer ethical and moral standards you might find more to your teaste. http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/
Traidor Disloyal NightCrew	Posted - 2008.09.15 19:01:00 - [35] Just picture em all naked. That will show em. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.09.15 19:13:00 - [36] Edited by: Gort on 15/09/2008 19:16:42 Originally by: Gonada hold on a sec, let me fill out your hurt feelings report: lol, if you cant handle the occasional cursing, then you cant handle this game. He didn't say "occasional" mate; in fact, he implied quite the opposite. Read before replying. To continue, I agree with the OP. An occasional rich phrase is called for. The endless and common f-in pass the f-in butter f-in in f-in your f-in mother's f-in a-hole is just utterly childish. Do people go online for a free shot at reliving middle school, or what? Get a grip all you ya ya boyz. G Edit: USMC Vet RVN, so ya I've heard it all, and said most of it - but not continuously in the most trivial of circumstances to an unknown and variable audience.... -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2008.09.15 19:21:00 - [37] Op. Do yourself a favour, steer clear of high sec mission/trade hubs, most of the people that do and sadly can are little more than attention seeking to the masses. It is fair to say though that it's the few that make lots of noise, most say nothing, some like me just block, few again join in. Quiet high sec systems, low sec ect, you will find in general more polite people. As for in general, there's just more people out there, there's allways been the people that do, huh funny somebody should mention shinra/atuk, it's not wise that i repeat the incident here, but after an hour of tasteless jokes about minors (im sure you understand what i mean) they were petitioned, sadly each and everyone of them continued to log and carry on talking. One of the saddest situations iv'e ever come across in this game, and one of the reasons i started to lose total faith in ccp.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.09.15 19:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Gort Edited by: Gort on 15/09/2008 19:16:42 Originally by: Gonada hold on a sec, let me fill out your hurt feelings report: lol, if you cant handle the occasional cursing, then you cant handle this game. He didn't say "occasional" mate; in fact, he implied quite the opposite. Read before replying. To continue, I agree with the OP. An occasional rich phrase is called for. The endless and common f-in pass the f-in butter f-in in f-in your f-in mother's f-in a-hole is just utterly childish. Do people go online for a free shot at reliving middle school, or what? Get a grip all you ya ya boyz. G Edit: USMC Vet RVN, so ya I've heard it all, and said most of it - but not continuously in the most trivial of circumstances to an unknown and variable audience.... Agreed. The language is deteriorating and there is no reason for it. It's pathetic and childish. Too bad thats the way things go... /Retired Jump Monkey. Semper Fi! ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
c4 t	Posted - 2008.09.15 19:42:00 - [39] to the op: stfu. eve is a harsh universe if you cannot stomach the language then perhaps you should visit the link at the bottom of this post as their game has a built in swear filter. www.worldofwarcraft.com mostly harmless
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2008.09.15 19:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. Here are news for you: You CHOOSE the way you feel, nobody can do anything to change the way you CHOOSE to feel about anything they say or do. It is YOUR PROBLEM, not ours. So make all of us a favor and CHOOSE wisely, have a nice day --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:02:00 - [41] local has a chat feature? Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
Woodwraith Digital assassins G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:10:00 - [42] My buddy got a 24 hour gag on his main because I closed a private convo unexpectedly and he wound up going on about my man parts in 'Help' instead. Don't know about swearing tbh, ive always though the best smack talk was pillow talk.
Poz McAIDS	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Roc Wieler because I enjoy RP. lol whole other thread... but why oh why must you do this?
Krecian Gallente United Trade Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.15 23:35:00 - [44] They are only words, and words only have power over you if you allow it. That is all. --------- "The first rock thrown again, welcome to hell little saint. Mother Gia in slaughter, welcome to paradise soldier." -Nightwish, Planet Hell
Terail Zoqial Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.15 23:41:00 - [45] Heh, you think it's bad now?, it's going to get much worse before and if anything changes. If I had 1 isk for every ******ed comment, I'd have a titan by now.
Cat Molina Minmatar Plutonian Shore	Posted - 2008.09.15 23:56:00 - [46] Sometimes I scream profanity at the uncaring stars in empty systems. True story. Does that count?
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.09.15 23:58:00 - [47] From now on I have decided I find the word Banana offensive, and anyone who says it is obviously immature and of low intelligence. yes OP that is actually how **in stupid and whiny you sound, you want the community to be more adult when you whine over adult language? =\ -----------------** My EvE Comic
Shad0wsFury Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.09.16 00:01:00 - [48] I smack because: 1. It's fun for me and funny for whoever's with me. 2. Angry people make mistakes, and will often make HORRIBLE tactical decisions because they want to "get back" at you, and then they die. If you don't like it, petition them.
Helios III	Posted - 2008.09.16 00:59:00 - [49] Edited by: Helios III on 16/09/2008 01:00:55 Originally by: Roc Wieler This phrase sums it up for me, and is in line with what a few others are saying. "Swearing is but a crutch upon which uneducated people lean to express themselves." I don't agree with this at all. I, and probably most other EVE players, have a perfectly good command of my language, yet I still choose to swear because it might be the most fitting word for the application. Why should I say 'I'm rather vexed, due to losing my Vexor' when I could sum it up perfectly with just four letters, 'Fck!'. In my/our culture this expresses how I feel much more effectively and accurately that say 'Darn it!' for example. (I hope I didn't misspell any of that or I'm fcked...) edit: missed an 'I' out! &%#@^*^%!
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:14:00 - [50] Edited by: Steve Hawkings on 16/09/2008 01:15:39 Edited by: Steve Hawkings on 16/09/2008 01:15:36 Welcome to the internet where manners dont matter because no one knows who you are. This is what happens when the game is advertised to the counterstrike crew via steam. Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!!
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Ishina Fel To me, bad language is a sign of low intelligence. I don't care who uses it, what people they are IRL, what their actual IQ is, or how old they are. If someone levels personal attacks at me, I stop regarding them as a human being, and will from then on treat them like a spam email. This is the insult I return them for their vocal insults. Most of them never notice, and never feel insulted, but that is not the point. The real point shows itself when those same people come around suddenly needing something from me or my friends a few months later To me, insulting someone is simply a tool to use to kill them. If it takes a little bit of vulgarity to get them to undock so I can pod them, so be it. Quite frankly it rarely takes any actual swearing on my part to goad someone into making a mistake, but sometimes (as an example, people like yourself) it is the most effective way of offending someone. Make them mad, keep them off balance and then kill them. I regard people who make blanket judgments about other people who they don't know to have little to no intelligence and anyone who bases their assumptions on a small amount of contact over an internet spaceship game's local chat channel (or anything similar) is at the bottom of that pile. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:33:00 - [52] trolled If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
X4N4X	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:46:00 - [53] Can i haz ur stuff??
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Saint Lazarus you want the community to be more adult when you whine over adult language? Calling it "adult" language doesn't make it so. Puerile smacktalk in local remains puerile smacktalk in local. I don't find it offensive so much as tedious and rather pathetic. Adults (of whatever age) don't need to posture and e-preen like that. So yeah, I'd like the community to be more adult too.
ThaDollaGenerale The Priory	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:55:00 - [55] Hello Kitty online is that way --->
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:56:00 - [56] Smacktalk does have it's purpose though, you can goad someone pretty weell into being foolhardy and making mistakes. Remember, physical damage is only half the battle.
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.16 02:11:00 - [57] I have Tourettes.
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.16 02:21:00 - [58] Life's hard. Get a helmet. -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
lethario desrtuction Infusion. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.16 02:33:00 - [59] I wish people would read the damm E.U.L.A before posting but since people just click the agree button I'll refresh your memory Quote: ii. Game Rating EVE has a "TEEN" rating. Parents may find it inappropriate for use by children under the age of thirteen (13). CCP has established Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessible on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate for children or that may be offensive to some users of any age. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game. and Quote: A. Communications Except for certain information in your Account (discussed below), all transmissions by you to the System are not private. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. CCP representatives may monitor communications made by or received from you. You should not provide private information to any other player in the Game. CCP shall not be responsible for the consequences of any such disclosure by you. You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. CCP does not guarantee that you will not encounter behavior of others that you may view as insulting, demeaning, offensive, threatening or harassing. You assume all risk associated with playing the Game, and CCP assumes no responsibility for the conduct of any other players, and shall not be liable to you or any other person for their conduct. so unless your a snotty little kid and mommy didnt signed this Parental Consent Form you might want to read here First_Amendment BTW CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIT !!!!!!
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.09.16 02:35:00 - [60] If you were actually as mature as you think you are, you would be able to deal with words. That is all they are-- words.
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia	Posted - 2008.09.16 03:03:00 - [61] adults swear too it's just part of everyone's vocabulary. learn to act like an adult and deal with it, not cry to people on the forums.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.16 03:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called right off the bat. I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. I know its the internet and all that stuff and we need to be thick skinned etc. I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere. your access to the internet is hereby revoked. gtfo. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Barnacle Pete Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.09.16 04:32:00 - [63] Billy Connoly on reasons for swearing. Reasons for swearing Nuff said really
Lily Sarman Ratio Decidendi	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:08:00 - [64] I know what the OP means. I used to work with kids and I've seen adults in this game behave far worst than any child. I made a simple mistake the other week because I wasn't aware of a game mechanic and some alliance rule that was buried deep in the forums and was somewhat vague to say the least on how to do things properly. Suffice to say I was subject to instant and childish smacktalk in the local channel which included threats to pod me just because I'd made a mistake and then further smacktalk just because my characters age wasn't what they thought was accceptable. Rather than lowering myself to their level I just talked to them like they were a child that was being rude and eventually they told me what my mistake was and how to remedy and I made a point of tellig them that was all they had to do in the first place and smacktalking me isn't the way to go around correcting my mistakes. Basically there are a lot of ****s in space who need to learn a few manners. I can only hope they aren't like this in real life because if they were they'd struggle to interact with other people and probably get their head kicked in. I guess being able to hide behind a computer gives some people the courage to be a tit. ------------------------------------------- Cheerfulness in the face of adversity
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Second off, Im a very mature 26 year old Haha. No, you're not, Mr Hanib. Neither am I in replying to you, of course, but I'll sacrifice my maturity on the altar of truth any day (The truth being you're not mature at all)
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:53:00 - [66] the people who are telling him that this in the internet, we can say what we like, and gtfo I am curious, do you guys swear and call people names when interacting with other players over voice comms too?
Arimus Darkhart Caldari Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:15:00 - [67] Given the environment I work in swearing is fairly common place - especially after dropping a nice heavy rugged radio on your foot ;) The only time I usually swear in local is as I'm either warping out in what's left of my ship/pod (delete as appropriate) or as I'm coming to terms with the realisation I'm about to end up back in my medbay. -- Users are like a virus - each causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally dies.
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:19:00 - [68] Edited by: Lord Zoran on 16/09/2008 12:19:56 Originally by: Feng Schui If someone is getting emotional, you should file a petition. that tbh
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Qordel Edited by: Qordel on 15/09/2008 15:46:46 As an adult, I speak however the **** I like. Sign of an American. Because Very few in the Rest of the World share this sort of Attitude. Sorry but it's True. - Logistics Frigates
N3oXr2ii	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:33:00 - [70] were i live is known as europes only open air asylum none of us went to school we can barley read and are all drug addicts and swearing is norm just because u were raised with ur stuiped upper class values don't mean we have to follow them i swear my 90 gran swears even the local pigs swears so stfu oh and i have more money than u cos i sell drugs to kids and can beat u up because bully people is all i've done since i was 5 and your wife loves my bone better than yours hahahahahaahahah
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:35:00 - [71] Originally by: Bast's Cleric Originally by: Qordel Edited by: Qordel on 15/09/2008 15:46:46 As an adult, I speak however the **** I like. Sign of an American. Because Very few in the Rest of the World share this sort of Attitude. Sorry but it's True. So in other words, those in the rest of the world hold back from expressing themselves in whatever manner they deem necessary. Lame and untrue.
Zey Nadar Gallente Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:47:00 - [72] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 16/09/2008 12:37:14 Originally by: Bast's Cleric Sign of an American. Because Very few in the Rest of the World share this sort of Attitude. Sorry but it's True. I had a text-based response to this originally, but it's hardly warranted. A better response would be He is correct though.
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Eternal Error If you were actually as mature as you think you are, you would be able to deal with words. That is all they are-- words. /thread
Chorizo Chorizo	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:54:00 - [74] Edited by: Chorizo Chorizo on 16/09/2008 12:54:17 I am sorry because I think my original post didn't fully explain the problem I have. I don't mind hearing curses, its the personal attacks im sick of. I curse all the time but I never curse at anyone.
LeCaz Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:01:00 - [75] Swearing is considered to be an adult activity by children. Children want to appear to be adult. Make sense now?
Magnum Rabbits Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:02:00 - [76] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called right off the bat. I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. I know its the internet and all that stuff and we need to be thick skinned etc. I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere. For someone who was raised with such manners, why are you whining and reading other people's conversations (local or not)? Why do you expect others to conform to you? You that special? block people that curse and change local chat to be majority player list.
Cautet Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:03:00 - [77] Edited by: Cautet on 16/09/2008 13:03:43 Originally by: Qordel Edited by: Qordel on 15/09/2008 15:46:46 As an adult, I speak however the **** I like. As an adult, you're free to block me. I have no interest in seeing every "naughty" word across every language and different societies filtered or prevented online. You're correct that people are adults and as adults we live in a world where people can say whatever they like and we don't run around crying and tattling. What is truly offensive (other than telling people how to talk) is hateful language. You can spread homophobic and racist tripe without using any vulgarities whatsoever. 100% I shortened is slightly but I also agreed with the bits I deleted. Having said that I choose not to swear in local. I like having the choice.
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:06:00 - [78] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Edited by: Chorizo Chorizo on 16/09/2008 12:54:17 I am sorry because I think my original post didn't fully explain the problem I have. I don't mind hearing curses, its the personal attacks im sick of. I curse all the time but I never curse at anyone. Personal attacks are a sign of weakness. People resort to them when they have no means left to do anything else and have lost control of the situation. From a newbie player who just lost his Raven to a gate camp to veteran pirate who cannot make a target undock - it is how they compensate for the loss of control and the general fail that the situation is to them. As such you should not care about what they say ... seriously, so what if some random dude you don't know and will never know resorts to the ancient practice that our ancestors have resorted to for millenia: monkey see, monkey don't like, monkey flung poo? Why do you care? I personally think all ingame smack over pixelated internet spaceships is rather funny. Unfortunately I cannot ignore it completely myself too - it provokes me to start trolling the player to get ever more smack flowing, because rather than feel offended I simply take it as their confirmation of their loss in a given situation.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Bast's Cleric Originally by: Qordel Edited by: Qordel on 15/09/2008 15:46:46 As an adult, I speak however the **** I like. Sign of an American. Because Very few in the Rest of the World share this sort of Attitude. Sorry but it's True. Non-American here signing in with that attitude.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:12:00 - [80] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Saint Lazarus you want the community to be more adult when you whine over adult language? Calling it "adult" language doesn't make it so. Puerile smacktalk in local remains puerile smacktalk in local. I don't find it offensive so much as tedious and rather pathetic. Adults (of whatever age) don't need to posture and e-preen like that. So yeah, I'd like the community to be more adult too. You'd have to be pretty childish to be offended by words, so yeah I wish the whiners were more adult. And smacktalk dose not = adult language or cursing, smacktalk is smacktalk and cursing is cursing. Being upset cause people are calling each others mothers dirty filthy such and suchs is a different matter completely. ----------------- My EvE Comic
TimMc Gallente SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:13:00 - [81] Since when does being good at mathematics and economics forbid me from cursing?
Huurtney Gurdsen	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:15:00 - [82] Well, if I was in a space ship and someone was firing missiles at me, I'd swear like hell ! Yea, though I wart through the valet of thy shadowy hut I will feed no norman.
John Blackthorn Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:15:00 - [83] Not much you can do about because people can just hide behind there computer screens. It's the same in any online game really. And Blocking them dosn't do much good when you find out that having people in your block lists creates client side lag especially in large fleet fights. Always keep your block list.. well empty.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Lily Sarman I guess being able to hide behind a computer gives some people the courage to be a tit. That about sums it all up. The ability to be anonymous brings out the true personality. It is unfortunate that there is such a large amount of jerks and a small amount of nice people. Seems to say something about the nature of humanity in my opinion.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.09.16 19:09:00 - [85] Originally by: lethario desrtuction you might want to read here First_Amendment I guess nobody told you (along with so many others) this before but U.S. laws actually only apply in the U.S. And, not that it applies to this, there's absolutely nothing in the 1st that guarantees (or even suggests) that you have the freedom to say what you like wherever, whenever and however you like. Freedom of speech as described in the 1st is not, and never has been, anything like absolute. Maybe you want to read your own link and see what it actually says.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.16 19:14:00 - [86] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: lethario desrtuction you might want to read here First_Amendment I guess nobody told you (along with so many others) this before but U.S. laws actually only apply in the U.S. And, not that it applies to this, there's absolutely nothing in the 1st that guarantees (or even suggests) that you have the freedom to say what you like wherever, whenever and however you like. Freedom of speech as described in the 1st is not, and never has been, anything like absolute. Maybe you want to read your own link and see what it actually says. …in addition, the 1st amendment only limits what the US government can do to you — private entities are still fully entitled to censor you as much as they'd like.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.09.18 19:03:00 - [87] Quote: Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. You mean raised with brainwashing to believe that certain words somehow are evil. Quote: Every where I go I see people cursing each other out, last night I asked for a fight with someone in Amarr and was called right off the bat. You have a problem with people getting knowledge and you wish to censor what they can say. Whatever you might say is a "bad word" because even saying THIGH or BREAST way back were "BAD WORDS" Quote: I can always block people but its getting to the point where everywhere I go I see people just vulgar nasty language. QQ I have a problem when people use the word "Vlger" why must you use that bad nasty word. Quote:* I really wish I can time travel to eve 2 years ago where the population quality was more adult like. I was around 2 years ago and NEWS FLASH it was exactly the same it is now. Except we had about 1 million less nerfs. Quote: I can envision eve in 2 years from now being one big jita. Will be people spamming and cursing everyone out everywhere. Glory be to the prophet of time who can read the future. That all being said... I havent said a damn thing ingame that would be considered "nasty or vulgur" ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.18 19:13:00 - [88] Originally by: Qordel Edited by: Qordel on 15/09/2008 15:46:46 As an adult, I speak however the **** I like. As an adult, you're free to block me. I have no interest in seeing every "naughty" word across every language and different societies filtered or prevented online. You're correct that people are adults and as adults we live in a world where people can say whatever they like and we don't run around crying and tattling. Really, who in the hell are you to dictate whether someone can utter curse words and vulgarities or not? This isn't Hello Kitty Online. This isn't a Disney game. You're not better than anyone else simply because you think certain words are "naughty". Good for you. I don't care. I'm extremely offended by racist and homophobic remarks -- here and elsewhere. Now that truly is offensive. Words chosen to convey thoughts are not particularly offensive unless you're used to being daddy's pretty little princess and chastising people for choosing more colorful language. What is truly offensive (other than telling people how to talk) is hateful language. You can spread your homophobic and racist tripe without using any vulgarities whatsoever. I really wish I could time travel to some period in the future where someone doesn't get their panties in a twist because someone says the F word. Not to mention, I can't wait to live in a world where the greatest catastrophe facing mankind is offending people by saying sht instead of "p00py" (which I find far more offensive for the sheer stupidity of the word). So, in short, I don't give a *** if you were raised with manners. I was raised with free speech and the expectation that in return for my freedom to say what I like, I am expected not to prevent other people from saying what they like. Even if it's something I don't particularly care for. As for vulgarity being a sign of low intelligence? I find that the most unintelligent people tend to be the ignorant twits who go around wasting their energy giving a damn how other adults speak. Just because you swear up a storm when you're at a bar or watching a game with some mates doesn't mean that your typical conversation consists of the same language. Frankly, if you think that leveling such insults or judgments against us for our choice of colorful language bothers us in the least -- it does not. Not one iota. Such a person is clearly so unbelievably up-tight that they'd suck the joy out of any situation. Really, what could be a sign of lower intelligence than giving a damn what language other people use, anyway? And even more, whining about it on forums. Were yout he kid who ran to mommy and daddy if another kid said something on the playground? I don't doubt it. Now, if you had been criticizing the actual DISCUSSIONS in Eve, I might be more likely to side with you. I don't care if someone talks about what a terrible F-ing day they had dealing with mother-F-ing gatecampers. On racist and anti-gay hatespeech and other mindless, hateful, ignorant soap-boxing -- I would entirely agree with your disdain for it. However, you didn't say anything about that and were more concerned with people not conducting themselves as they would in the sunday-school class you apparently teach when you're not on Eve. Fortunately, I have found those topics to be rarer in Eve than elsewhere (thank the holy flying spaghetti monster for that!). A+ would read again -
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.09.18 19:21:00 - [89] Originally by: Ishina Fel To me, bad language is a sign of low intelligence. Oh ya? I have a registered and public genius IQ and I think you're a ****ing moron. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Donkey facemoo	Posted - 2008.09.18 21:22:00 - [90] Originally by: Jason Edwards Originally by: Ishina Fel To me, bad language is a sign of low intelligence. Oh ya? I have a registered and public genius IQ and I think you're a ****ing moron. Yes because any such claim made on the internet has any weight behind it. As for bad language being a sign of low intelligence most people who you see in public swearing for all to hear are typically from a lower class background, are poorely educated, and seemingly mentally unbalanced as they are unable to express themselves in any other way than than rude outbursts. Oh yeah and I have a Masters degree since you seem to be intent on playing the 'intelligence makes you correct' game.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.09.18 21:30:00 - [91] Originally by: SoftRevolution People are morons. The internet is full of people. EVE is on the internet. Werd. ----------
Odhinn Vinlandii Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:11:00 - [92] Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. EVE's population is largely military or 30 something with kids. EVE is a naval/space game and we all swear like sailors. If you are too young for adult language, please use the block feature.
Donkey facemoo	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:07:00 - [93] Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Originally by: Chorizo Chorizo Im sorry to whine at everyone but I was someone who was raised with manners. EVE's population is largely military or 30 something with kids. EVE is a naval/space game and we all swear like sailors. If you are too young for adult language, please use the block feature. Actually what defines a adults vocab in contrast to a childs is a greater ability to express themselves and basically use bigger words. I've worked with foriegn children aged from eight to eighteen and taught them english. The major difference between the two extremes of age is their ability to understand words that express more complex ideas. If you've ever tried to explain idioms to an eight year old spanish girl you'd know what I mean. Most the words that occur to an adult to explain the idiom which can be translated into spanish easily using the internet are beyond the grasp of a child that age. With an older child they are far more likely to understand what you mean. Swear words are rarely if ever complicated and the meaning can usually be convayed by tone of voice alone. Its crude and innapropriate language that isn't supposed to be used in polite society and the majority of people know this. It is only a few who have been raised in an enviroment where they failed to learn acceptable behaviour who continue to insist that swearing frequently is somehow a part of being an adult.
Estar Tarns Equilibrium Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:24:00 - [94] Originally by: Abrazzar People use local as chat? This. 0.0 has it advantages when it comes to local chat, used mostly for quick intel scan, small-talk when local is blue (most by light blue people) and random smack-talk in fights. Other than that, it's a pretty annoying, but life-saving window to have. Signature!

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