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Tyremis Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.17 23:19:00 - [631] Edited by: Tyremis on 17/10/2008 23:21:52 great post cept for all caps. id love to understand what the other side is thinking on this. I dont know about you but the only ship i fly that gets 0.0 damage is a claw. My vaga never went fast enough to get 0.0 damage. I could speed tank and all that but my vaga never went past 7 or 8k. Heavy missiles would hit for 20 or 30. For example you think some newb sitting there in a 100M isk Raven with 10m skillpoints you should be able to shoot 30+millionsp 250M isk vagas out of the sky. Im sorry but thats not balance. There has to be a middle ground i just hope ccp can find it. If the changed implemented People will have to tank their vagas totally gimping any tackling (its a fing pvp ship ffs) Or if you do try to fit tackle youll have the worst tank ever (can u say deathtrap) Now i dont really fly vagas because theres so many rapiers around these days. but thats just one tiny example of how this nerf will turn the vaga into a super expensive uninsurable flying deathtrap. Also you never answered my question have you tried out the changes on sisi or are you just talking out of your ass
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.17 23:51:00 - [632] Originally by: Tyremis Edited by: Tyremis on 17/10/2008 23:21:52 great post cept for all caps. id love to understand what the other side is thinking on this. I dont know about you but the only ship i fly that gets 0.0 damage is a claw. My vaga never went fast enough to get 0.0 damage. I could speed tank and all that but my vaga never went past 7 or 8k. Heavy missiles would hit for 20 or 30. For example you think some newb sitting there in a 100M isk Raven with 10m skillpoints you should be able to shoot 30+millionsp 250M isk vagas out of the sky. Im sorry but thats not balance. There has to be a middle ground i just hope ccp can find it. If the changed implemented People will have to tank their vagas totally gimping any tackling (its a fing pvp ship ffs) Or if you do try to fit tackle youll have the worst tank ever (can u say deathtrap) Now i dont really fly vagas because theres so many rapiers around these days. but thats just one tiny example of how this nerf will turn the vaga into a super expensive uninsurable flying deathtrap. Also you never answered my question have you tried out the changes on sisi or are you just talking out of your ass Me talking outta my ass STILL has more common sence to it than 95% of the pro nano guys arguments, and yes.. I have and... EVE will be just fine
Tyremis Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.18 00:16:00 - [633] so basically your saying you trained up max missile skills and cant hit things but are unwilling to use a neut? or 2. The tools are their you just refuse to see them. It will be "easier" this way huh ya i thought as much. pathetic
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.18 00:49:00 - [634] Edited by: JVol on 18/10/2008 00:56:04 Originally by: Tyremis so basically your saying you trained up max missile skills and cant hit things but are unwilling to use a neut? or 2. The tools are their you just refuse to see them. It will be "easier" this way huh ya i thought as much. pathetic STFU dude, your making a fool of yourself.. I never said 'I' had maxed missile skills, 'I' never said 'I' had ANY problem killing nanos in a PVP BS.. ( cause I know your not THAT stupid to think a cruiser sized neut is ANY kind of usefull on a ship orbiting you at 22km and at 5k).. lol, tool... Again, nano fails HAVE to compare apples to oranges cause they KNOW most cruisers cant counter an nano with the 'nano counters'.. We all know that tho.. Dont we? Just stop.. and pathetic is arguing about a change that HAS to happen ( and IS happening ) and not accepting it like a man.. Your nano tears make ma happy, keep em comming Im not even caldari! lol.. That dosent mean I dont know whats what tho.. You wanna see my skills hit up evemon, they are posted. Being that I fly every race, every combat ship Bs and under with this char, I think I know a thing or two about what works and whats broken. eve was fine before nanos and it will be even better when they are gone... And btw.. you fit RIGHT smack dab into the 'whiner' catagory i was talking about in my other posts.. Pator Tech School from 2006.07.17 07:49 to 2006.07.23 02:07.. rofl.. you joined the game right in the begining of tha nano phase, im sure its all you know, and I wont hold it aginst you.. the words ill leave you with.... crosstrain , crosstrain crosstrain
Tyremis Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.18 01:22:00 - [635] oh i love makin a fool of myself but i dont think im really doin that now. ok lets take your tactical situation you pointed out vaga versus t1 cruiser oh noes i cant do anything im pointed and i cant neut, (ecm drones moron) there is no situation in eve you cant get away from or make an attempt to. Granted often the guy your fighting will have the right setup and youll have the wrong one to counter it. That will happen with or without nanos. I have not heard one piece of evidence youve said that would convince me that nanos are indestructable. I lose them all the time. Also when i first started i had no where near the sp to fly a nano even tho they were around. But because of that i LEARED TO ADAPT, how to fit my ships to counter them. Yeh i died sometimes and more often than not lived fighting against nano gangs. I never left dock in a BS without a neut had ecm drones drone nav links. I fly gallente as well as minmitar of course with your epic wisdom youll note that with the web nerf gallente blaster boats are now lol. same with Ac temptest hurricane and almost any close range ship. Im already training amarr long before this nerf came btw and ill still continue to kill all the caldari whiners long after this nerf. Because i was able to adapt when i first started this game and will continue to do so. There is a difference between whining and pointing out legitimate problems that will arise from this. Keep it constructive ... if you can.
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.18 01:38:00 - [636] Originally by: Tyremis oh i love makin a fool of myself but i dont think im really doin that now. ok lets take your tactical situation you pointed out vaga versus t1 cruiser oh noes i cant do anything im pointed and i cant neut, (ecm drones moron) there is no situation in eve you cant get away from or make an attempt to. Granted often the guy your fighting will have the right setup and youll have the wrong one to counter it. That will happen with or without nanos. I have not heard one piece of evidence youve said that would convince me that nanos are indestructable. I lose them all the time. Also when i first started i had no where near the sp to fly a nano even tho they were around. But because of that i LEARED TO ADAPT, how to fit my ships to counter them. Yeh i died sometimes and more often than not lived fighting against nano gangs. I never left dock in a BS without a neut had ecm drones drone nav links. I fly gallente as well as minmitar of course with your epic wisdom youll note that with the web nerf gallente blaster boats are now lol. same with Ac temptest hurricane and almost any close range ship. Im already training amarr long before this nerf came btw and ill still continue to kill all the caldari whiners long after this nerf. Because i was able to adapt when i first started this game and will continue to do so. There is a difference between whining and pointing out legitimate problems that will arise from this. Keep it constructive ... if you can. Did you read ANy of my posts? Before I slam you and show you my blackbelt in forum kung- fu.. ill give you a chance to go back and re read them, then you can pinpoint the 4 OR 5 things you seem to think I said, but didnt at all.. re read, its all even better when you pay attention.
Tyremis Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.18 01:52:00 - [637] "LOL HOW MUCH DO I NEED TO SPEND ON IMPLANTS AND SHEILD/ARMOR TANKING TO GET 0.0 UFING DAMAGE? Thats right, YOU CANT! The single biggest reason I see in these lame ass pro nanno whines is " I maxed out this skill and that skill, and they are going to be a waste!' or the best one " I spent x billion on this and x billion on that, I SHOULD be able to take NO DAMAGE??? lol.. But the guy who had his missile skills maxed out while you were still playing WOW, Is useless now.. riiiihgt." grabbed this from one of your earlier horrible posts. this is the only part of your drivel that i found remotely relevant. No i dont think its fair that a maxed out missile player cant hit a vaga worth a damn. Thats not kewl. Totally agreeing with you on this, but i dont think he should be able to hit that vaga for 1k damage a volley either if you think thats fair youve totally lost prepective, and theres no point in talking to you further. So just answer me this you think thats fair or not? also go out on sisi and test further i think you really need a better picture of whats happening here.
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.18 02:21:00 - [638] Originally by: Tyremis Edited by: Tyremis on 18/10/2008 02:02:03 "LOL HOW MUCH DO I NEED TO SPEND ON IMPLANTS AND SHEILD/ARMOR TANKING TO GET 0.0 UFING DAMAGE? Thats right, YOU CANT! The single biggest reason I see in these lame ass pro nanno whines is " I maxed out this skill and that skill, and they are going to be a waste!' or the best one " I spent x billion on this and x billion on that, I SHOULD be able to take NO DAMAGE??? lol.. But the guy who had his missile skills maxed out while you were still playing WOW, Is useless now.. riiiihgt." grabbed this from one of your earlier horrible posts. this is the only part of your drivel that i found remotely relevant. No i dont think its fair that a maxed out missile player cant hit a vaga worth a damn. Thats not kewl. Totally agreeing with you on this, but after nerf it will be like this Raven fires voley of cruise vaga mwds sig radius increases exponentially only it goes slow as **** raven smokes vaga for 1k or more damage a volley. if you think thats fair youve totally lost prepective, and theres no point in talking to you further. I also agree that the game was still fun before nanos. But without any form of nanos this will become even more blob online than it already is and the servers cant handle it. So just answer me this you think thats fair or not? also go out on sisi and test further i think you really need a better picture of whats happening here. LOl.. I said I kill a few a week, generally at least one a day, I know they arent 'invincable'. Doesnt mean they arent broken, they are.. Frankly I dont really care a bout the 'vaga' you seem to be all over, but it will be as good as it was back in 04/05 before the nano crap. imo. even better cause we didnt have rigs then. Lag, ccp has made great strides fixing that, blobs n bubbles were as much a problem now as they were then, nothing new. been to jita lately? They have made the lag there almost non existant, least on my connection. The servers are fine.. And ive been to the test servers, its much like it was a few years ago, only more ship diversity, there's rigs now and oh yea.. a whole GAGGLE of ufcking crybabys to kill!!! yaaarrr Calm down a little, take your rittalyn and think... What char are you going to make in WOW when the changes come down on ya?? rofl
Tyremis Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.18 02:33:00 - [639] this game will become much more like WoW than the one ill be going to. Make sure you get a cape and wizard hat for ambulation will ya, then send me a pic. If these changes come down ill be moving over to JGE (jump gate evolution) its a little arcade for my liking but their is dog fights and thats what im all about not 300BS sitting 130k away from each other hitting f1-f8 hoping to god they dont get primaried or can warp away in the lagfest. as i was saying a little arcade looking for my liking but it promotes what i like about internet spaceship pew pew, no you cannot have my stuff some nifty beta footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glAt2U8QMco
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.18 02:42:00 - [640] Edited by: JVol on 18/10/2008 02:45:49 Edited by: JVol on 18/10/2008 02:44:35 Originally by: Tyremis Edited by: Tyremis on 18/10/2008 02:39:09 this game will become much more like WoW than the one ill be going to. Make sure you get a cape and wizard hat for ambulation will ya, then send me a pic. I was using the vaga as an example as its the most used nano ship dont hurt yourself thinkin about that too much. If these changes come down ill be moving over to JGE (jump gate evolution) their is dog fights and thats what im all about not 300BS sitting 130k away from each other hitting f1-f8 hoping to god they dont get primaried or can warp away in the lagfest. it promotes what i like about internet spaceship pew pew, no you cannot have my stuff some nifty beta footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glAt2U8QMco I could give a ratts ass about ambulation, biggest waste of resources ive ever heard about. Take the team thats working on that and re focus them on making new ships, new mods and well... ANYTHING else..imo. Wish I had TIME for any new games, lol... Yea I play everyday dude.. go to jita, buty a ship and fit it, i did it the other day, was just like doing it in anyother system, no joke.... and their were almost 600 people in sys if i remember correctly. Just got done with a 30 man fight 10 minuttes ago as well,( in between forum fighting) drones everywhere, but not lag at all, least not for our side..
Tyremis Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.18 03:04:00 - [641] the jita node is epic boosted compared to any 0.0 node. Its simply on better hardware. Now get yourself a faction warfare fight goin on outside jita 4-4 then try to fit your ship. Ive been in jita and it took me literally 2 hrs to buy and fit the modules and leave system. I have the fastest cable internet my provider sells as well. Im glad 30 on 30 still works and i hope that will still be the case as newbs pile onto the servers. In 0.0 its a little bigger scale than that for the most part.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.18 08:21:00 - [642] Originally by: JVol "WWWAAAA NANO TOO HARD".....I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO TACKLE TO KILL STUFF",......"I WANT PVP TO BE LIKE RATTING"......" BLOB AND f1-f8 IS ALL IM GOOD FOR" WWWAAAAA......NERF NERF. Fixed. Your such a loser dude, you have no idea about skilled pvp or nano so do everybody including yourself a favor and STFU. I personally am sick of seeing your crap posted on here along with your pathetically weak arguments. PPL are on here talking about a game we enjoy playing and how to improve it without screwing up whole classes of ships, and all you can think of and go on about is how much you think your skilless existence is gonna improve. Here is the news buddy its not, your always gonna suck at eve because you blame the game and the stuff in it instead of improving yourself and your pvp abilities. NANO may go it may not it may change or be destroyed but the pvpers will always be considerably better than you and always find ways to kick your pathetic nerfit asses. SAVE NANO!!!!!!....only needing f1-f8 to kill is not a skilled style of combat.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 09:25:00 - [643] Edited by: ErrhuhBlaman on 18/10/2008 09:35:59 I don't understand all of the arguements. As a minmatar player i can't wait till the new changes, it will put life into afterburners and AC's for which is the minmatar way. i'm already thinking of fits. Not just ac's though, but all close/med range turret is going to be more useful. I think if some people just looked at ccp decision more like them closely defining the speeds for ship types and gameplay other then nerfs here and there then i think more acceptance to the game changes would be seen. And regarding the changes and pvp. I am hearing alot from the other side "Start learning to adapt to speed related pvp. I did and i spend X billion isk on this ship to prove it. And i even lost one!!!!". if adaptability is in question and you have such high supply of it, just go with the flow. I mean being such a great player(s) as you are why be the lesser by fighting it and just step up to the new battleground and show them your adaptability and how significantly Superior you are. I also don't think this will fix all of the problems with ship types, speed, tracking, and damage but I think this is a very positive step in the right direction.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.18 09:39:00 - [644] Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 09:45:38 Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman I don't understand all of the arguements. As a minmatar player i can't wait till the new changes, it will put life into afterburners and AC's for which is the minmatar way. i'm already thinking of fits . Not just ac's though, but blasters are going to be more useful. 1 v 1 combat may be more interesting with these changes but unfortunately 1 v 1 combat is uber rare in eve. This nerf reduces small ship in gang combat to utter worthlessness and gang combat is the norm and most common form in eve. CCP should be promoting the kind of skill sets and fittings that promote team work and skill but for some reason they are going the opposite way by removing the need to tackle to kill in favor of dps spams. Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman it will put life into afterburners No bud its taking usefulness away from MWD's afterburners will still suck in anything other than ultra specific 1 v 1 fights. Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman I also don't think this will fix all of the problems with ship types, speed, tracking, and damage but i think this is a very positive step in the right direction. There's no problem with tracking and damage bud the problem is ratters and mission runners wanting pvp to be like PVE where players sit still fore them like the rats do. It seems to me that the developers pushing this patch forwards are ex-carebears trying to make pvp more like the crappy kind of f1-f8 pve they are used to. Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman And regarding the changes and pvp. I am hearing alot from the other side "Start learning to adapt to speed related pvp. I did and i spend X billion isk on this ship to prove it. And i even lost one!!!!". ErrhuhBlaman kills 20 losses 20 http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-ErrhuhBlaman-kills.html Now maybe your posting on a alt like me cos your main is banned but if not i suggest you do a little more pvp before you decide that its broken..... PS: All i see are tanked muninns in your T2 losses?, can i see your X billion isk nano fit pls?. SAVE NANO!!!!!!....only needing f1-f8 to kill is not a skilled style of combat.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:35:00 - [645] Edited by: ErrhuhBlaman on 18/10/2008 15:45:17 Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman And regarding the changes and pvp. I am hearing alot from the other side "Start learning to adapt to speed related pvp. I did and i spend X billion isk on this ship to prove it. And i even lost one!!!!". ErrhuhBlaman kills 20 losses 20 http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-ErrhuhBlaman-kills.html Now maybe your posting on a alt like me cos your main is banned but if not i suggest you do a little more pvp before you decide that its broken..... PS: All i see are tanked muninns in your T2 losses?, can i see your X billion isk nano fit pls?. Maybe you missed the quotes saying that it's what the nano***s are saying? And I also like how you completely ignored "I think if some people just looked at ccp decision more like them closely defining the speeds for ship types and gameplay other then nerfs here and there then i think more acceptance to the game changes would be seen."
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:24:00 - [646] Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman Edited by: ErrhuhBlaman on 18/10/2008 09:35:59 I don't understand all of the arguements. As a minmatar player i can't wait till the new changes, it will put life into afterburners and AC's for which is the minmatar way. i'm already thinking of fits. Not just ac's though, but all close/med range turret is going to be more useful. I think if some people just looked at ccp decision more like them closely defining the speeds for ship types and gameplay other then nerfs here and there then i think more acceptance to the game changes would be seen. And regarding the changes and pvp. I am hearing alot from the other side "Start learning to adapt to speed related pvp. I did and i spend X billion isk on this ship to prove it. And i even lost one!!!!". if adaptability is in question and you have such high supply of it, just go with the flow. I mean being such a great player(s) as you are why be the lesser by fighting it and just step up to the new battleground and show them your adaptability and how significantly Superior you are. I also don't think this will fix all of the problems with ship types, speed, tracking, and damage but I think this is a very positive step in the right direction. O/ signed ( now wait for them to "quote" you and write in their own buuullshit to make themselves appear to have a point )
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:58:00 - [647] Originally by: JVol O/ signed ( now wait for them to "quote" you and write in their own buuullshit to make themselves appear to have a point ) LIKE I JUST DID..... fixed. I still love the fact that the pro nerfits are: " i think it will be ok".... And the anti nerf are: "As we speak on the test server" Be honest most nerfits do not care how bad pvp becomes cos they will always suck at it....
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:02:00 - [648] EVE was a great game BEFORE nanos and it will STILL be after they are gone... And for those of you who seem to know how bad I suck at pvp.. roll on out to 9-4 and get your loot, its in my ship..
Cutesmile Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:23:00 - [649] Edited by: Cutesmile on 18/10/2008 19:25:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxqrFEjDswE Speed nerf LOL video but true. Speed nerf + missile boost = Caldari online coming
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:29:00 - [650] Originally by: JVol EVE was a great game BEFORE nanos and it will STILL be after they are gone... And for those of you who seem to know how bad I suck at pvp.. roll on out to 9-4 and get your loot, its in my ship.. Its quite simple really bud, those that support the way this nerf is being done and how it effects and screws up so many ships either know nothing about pvp or are just happy that blobs of missile spamming ratting ships are gonna be the only things really worth flying.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:33:00 - [651] It's kinda funny how most of the people on the Battle Clinic forums support the adjusted speeds
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:44:00 - [652] Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 19:43:58 Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman It's kinda funny how most of the people on the Battle Clinic forums support the adjusted speeds Against the nerf = 69 pages of votes http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371&page=69 For the nerf = 32 pages of votes http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832369&page=32 Id be interested to see you poll though. SAVE NANO!!!!!!....only needing f1-f8 to kill is not a skilled style of combat.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:47:00 - [653] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 19:43:58 Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman It's kinda funny how most of the people on the Battle Clinic forums support the adjusted speeds Against the nerf = 69 pages of votes http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371&page=69 For the nerf = 32 pages of votes http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832369&page=32 Id be interested to see you poll though. i was just skimming and i seemed to miss this page. thanks for the links
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:48:00 - [654] Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 19:43:58 Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman It's kinda funny how most of the people on the Battle Clinic forums support the adjusted speeds Against the nerf = 69 pages of votes http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371&page=69 For the nerf = 32 pages of votes http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832369&page=32 Id be interested to see you poll though. i was just skimming and i seemed to miss this page. thanks for the links ohh pfft, i said the battle clinic forums. shhesh
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:51:00 - [655] Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 19:51:42 wazap only interested in stuff that supports your game preferences instead of a honest vote?. SAVE NANO!!!!!!....only needing f1-f8 to kill is not a skilled style of combat.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:00:00 - [656] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 19:51:42 wazap only interested in stuff that supports your game preferences instead of a honest vote?. I highly doubt an "honest vote" is going to sway the collective minds that is ccp. and just so you know, i actually like flying hacs that go upwards 4-5km so don't judge my decisions off of my play style that you don't know.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:12:00 - [657] Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 19:51:42 wazap only interested in stuff that supports your game preferences instead of a honest vote?. I highly doubt an "honest vote" is going to sway the collective minds that is ccp. and just so you know, i actually like flying hacs that go upwards 4-5km so don't judge my decisions off of my play style that you don't know. You must do cos on your beloved battleclinic it says you have never lost one......oh but look it says you have never killed anything in one either, you seem to like tanked munnins and ruptures though. SAVE NANO!!!!!!....only needing f1-f8 to kill is not a skilled style of combat.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:20:00 - [658] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 19:51:42 honest vote crap. response. You must do cos on your beloved battleclinic it says you have never lost one......oh but look it says you have never killed anything in one either, you seem to like tanked munnins and ruptures though. oie, isn't it one of the basic rules of eve don't fly what you can't afford to lose? well in all honestly i really can't afford to a kittyed out nano ship. but trust me if i had the isk to spend i would do it in a heartbeat. but enough about me. how are you doing today?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:28:00 - [659] Edited by: lecrotta on 18/10/2008 20:29:31 Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman I actually like flying hacs that go upwards 4-5km so don't judge my decisions off of my play style that you don't know. Originally by: lecrotta You must do cos on your beloved battleclinic it says you have never lost one......oh but look it says you have never killed anything in one either, you seem to like tanked munnins and ruptures though. Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman oie, isn't it one of the basic rules of eve don't fly what you can't afford to lose? well in all honestly i really can't afford to a kittyed out nano ship. but trust me if i had the isk to spend i would do it in a heartbeat. but enough about me. how are you doing today? Ok so you love to and do fly 4-5kms hacs but you also cannot afford them and do not fly them...one of us is very confused....oh a 4-5kms hac costs around the same as a tanked munnin btw. SAVE NANO!!!!!!....only needing f1-f8 to kill is not a skilled style of combat.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:32:00 - [660] Originally by: ErrhuhBlaman oie, isn't it one of the basic rules of eve don't fly what you can't afford to lose? well in all honestly i really can't afford to a kittyed out nano ship. but trust me if i had the isk to spend i would do it in a heartbeat. but enough about me. how are you doing today? Ok so you love to and do fly 4-5kms hacs but you also cannot afford them and do not fly them...one of us is very confused....oh a 4-5kms hac costs around the same as a tanked munnin btw. yep and i can't afford to fly it. but seeing that you don't fly anything cough cough alt that just leaves me to wonder where this wellspring of knowledge and experience comes from. ... maybe trolling the forum?

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