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Khalid Seyadin Amarr Ejrekorp Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:07:00 - [1] I'm currently training SB'ers, but after hearing some bad things about them I'm not so sure I'm on the right path here, I started training them purely because I like the name "Stealth Bomber" just sounds cool, though I realize I might not know what I'm getting into, any advice would be helpful
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:17:00 - [2] Erm, I wouldn't bother with stealth bombers in your shoes. You'll be much better served in a Caracal, Drake, or Raven. The really sad thing about the SB is that by the time you can use one effectively, you've effectively got the support skills for a great Raven. Thus, you should be in a Raven for almost innumerable reasons. SBs simply aren't worth the effort at the moment... sorry. Maybe an interceptor or AF would be better - AFs are getting boosted in the next patch :) -Liang --
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:23:00 - [3] Stealth bombers are comedy ships, period. Consider them the frigate equivalent of the BattleBadger. Oh, and with no covert ops cloak, they are a complete failure at anything related to stealth, 99% of the time you use the cloak, you could have just warped in and opened fire right away. If you're looking for a good stealth ship, get a force recon.
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:31:00 - [4] nice thing about stealth bombers is running with interceptor / frig / Cruiser gangs.. seems like i'm always the top damage dealer for some reason
Random Elite Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:44:00 - [5] Bombers certainly have their roles, but they aren't what you want them to be. Everyone dreams of sneaking up on their enemies and surprising the hell out of them. But in reality, SBs are really only good for taking advantage of stupid people. What can you do with bombers? Camp stations, camp gate camps, and other such things. It's not very eventful, though it is a blast when you get a successful kill. The other thing is that bombers are NOT solo ships. To be fully effective you have to have at least 4 bombers in a gang, and to ALWAYS be moving. Once the opposing people know where you are, they will be trying to decloak you. Its more an advantage of range than the cloaking ability. Basically, its fun to mess around with, but not something you do all the time. Oh, and be prepared for a ton of smack.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Khalid Seyadin I'm currently training SB'ers, but after hearing some bad things about them I'm not so sure I'm on the right path here, I started training them purely because I like the name "Stealth Bomber" just sounds cool, though I realize I might not know what I'm getting into, any advice would be helpful Well, what exactly are you wanting with stealthbombers? As much as I respect Merin and Liang's comments and views on most ships and subjects, this is one that I slightly disagree with them. You don't need uber skills to fly a stealth bomber effectively. Strictly required skills are cruise missiles, cruise missile support skills to at least 4, of course race frig 5, cloaking to whichever level gives you the Improved cloaking device II, Cov Ops to 4...and so most other skills are secondary to those. Now what were you wanting to do with the SB? Have someone tackle and you just sit at long range? Or would you rather be right in the thick of it, uncloak, pop a target, cloak, rinse, repeat. The later is what I choose to do be it solo or in a gang. And I absolutely love it. Risky, but gets the job done if you know what you're doing. With some experience and after losing a couple, you will know what and what not to do in a SB based on your playstyle. The BIGGEST thing with SBs that the pilot MUST have is patience. If you're impatient at all, then SBs are not for you. You don't even need to spec in SBs to be decent with them, so you can train up the appropriate skills someone, then just use it as a cheap throw away ship for whenever you're bored. Costs less than 20 mil to buy one and fit it out decently. The most important thing with stealth bombers is to have fun Oh, and bombs are useless as well...Thought I'd throw that out there.
Brego Tralowski Gallente Forever Night	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:57:00 - [7] Edited by: Brego Tralowski on 10/10/2008 04:58:20 SBs can be good solo ships if you invest time in them, I can kill everything upto cruiser size on my own in mine (granted they may be noobs or stupid). They are a lot of fun to fly and I fly mine quite often in lowsec on the hunt and playing the waiting game with thieves and pirates etc. However, as an SB pilot, I would sugest that if you're a new player and as this has already been mentioned in other threads - go for something else first. The skills needed for an SB are good skills in general for a Raven or similar vessel. Everybody has a favorite ship, and for me it's my Nemises it has its pros and cons but so does every ship. It has been said that it really needs to be looked at in terms of it truely being a stealth ship (i.e. warping stealthed etc), and I hope the Devs sort it out, but it just depends on what you want to do as a player. If you want to train for SBs then do it, use it, then make up your own mind on just how good/bad it is. Fly safe all o/
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 05:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Karrade Krise Now what were you wanting to do with the SB? Have someone tackle and you just sit at long range? Or would you rather be right in the thick of it, uncloak, pop a target, cloak, rinse, repeat. The problem here is the only thing you can pop like that is a T1 frigate or newbie destroyer, and you don't even get the loot. Why would I ever want to fly a ship that's so limited in target options? Originally by: Brego Tralowski Edited by: Brego Tralowski on 10/10/2008 04:58:20 SBs can be good solo ships if you invest time in them, I can kill everything upto cruiser size on my own in mine (granted they may be noobs or stupid). They are a lot of fun to fly and I fly mine quite often in lowsec on the hunt and playing the waiting game with thieves and pirates etc. See, this is the problem, the only way you are EVER going to kill even a T1 cruiser (the absolute minimum for a PvP ship to be even vaguely useful) is if it's flown by a complete idiot. And there, you aren't winning because stealth bombers are good, you're winning because you found a complete idiot to kill. Any other ship in the game could do the job just as well, while not being completely useless against targets that aren't flown by complete idiots.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.10 05:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Karrade Krise Now what were you wanting to do with the SB? Have someone tackle and you just sit at long range? Or would you rather be right in the thick of it, uncloak, pop a target, cloak, rinse, repeat. The problem here is the only thing you can pop like that is a T1 frigate or newbie destroyer, and you don't even get the loot. Why would I ever want to fly a ship that's so limited in target options? If you can. Generally, I found that with a plated Rifter and a SB uncloaking in close proximity, the routine is preety much uncloak->fire->die horribly. I mean, yeah, I see it working with all L5 skills and all that, but making people suicide their normally skilled/fit SBs like that is a rude thing to do Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.10.10 05:17:00 - [10] Merin Merin Merin... SBs are not meant to be an I-Win Button...Come on you know this yet you talk like it should be. Of course it's not going to solo a t1 cruiser. (possible given the right circumstances). EAFs would have a ridiculously hard time soloing cruisers and above as well...so would many MANY other ships. If SBs were able to pop cruisers in just 2 volleys by themselves...then overpowered would be an understatement.
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.10.10 05:31:00 - [11] WTB a stealth bomber with Torpedo Launchers fitted Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.10 06:37:00 - [12] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/10/2008 06:40:06 Originally by: Feng Schui WTB a stealth bomber with Torpedo Launchers fitted With a 500% damage bonus and 450% rof penality. That'd be actual bombing.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.10.10 08:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Stealth bombers are comedy ships, period. Consider them the frigate equivalent of the BattleBadger. Oh, and with no covert ops cloak, they are a complete failure at anything related to stealth, 99% of the time you use the cloak, you could have just warped in and opened fire right away. If you're looking for a good stealth ship, get a force recon. Can you quit posting "I HATE STEALTHBOMBERS, THEY SUCK" Obviously you've been popped by one too many. QQ elsewhere. --Isaac
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 08:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Obviously you've been popped by one too many. QQ elsewhere. --Isaac Actually, I've never lost a PvP ship to a bomber (I once lost a throwaway hauler as a newbie ore thief). This is why I hate bombers so much, they're the most utterly useless ships I've ever run into.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:02:00 - [15] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/10/2008 09:02:43 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Obviously you've been popped by one too many. QQ elsewhere. --Isaac Actually, I've never lost a PvP ship to a bomber (I once lost a throwaway hauler as a newbie ore thief). This is why I hate bombers so much, they're the most utterly useless ships I've ever run into. Ah, I see. You've got a problem of perspective. You're looking at it the wrong way. "Free loot" is the correct sentiment, and after that you get to love bombers... particularly given the nice prices of T2 cloaks you claim are so useless!
Ruban Spangler Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:18:00 - [16] Training Covert Ops is worth it to get into the covert ops ship never mind the SB. Warping round cloaked and scanning ships/ exploration sites down is much more useful than SB (but not nearly as much fun)
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:20:00 - [17] SB's are true glass cannons. Not a solo ship unless you want to fight inexperienced or stupid frigate pilots only, but a nice addition to a small gang. The advantage of flying with others is that not all eyes will be on you so you can abuse the cloak to make the opponent be unsure of where you are and if you are still there. Don't forget you can move at a pretty decent speed while cloaked too
abrasive soap HOMELESS. Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/10/2008 09:02:43 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Obviously you've been popped by one too many. QQ elsewhere. --Isaac Actually, I've never lost a PvP ship to a bomber (I once lost a throwaway hauler as a newbie ore thief). This is why I hate bombers so much, they're the most utterly useless ships I've ever run into. Ah, I see. You've got a problem of perspective. You're looking at it the wrong way. "Free loot" is the correct sentiment, and after that you get to love bombers... particularly given the nice prices of T2 cloaks you claim are so useless! i once popped a stealth bomber that had a shadow serpentis web fit on it. unfortunately i didnt pick it up because i had 10% structure due to his gangmates so i had to warp out. in retrospect, there wasnt really much i could do to get it so i dont think that ended too badly. stealth bombers all the way, just faction fit them please
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:24:00 - [19] SB's will always be those silent predators that will hurt when they bite. In solo they are quite picky about what you attack, but in gangs that Alpha will speed things up nicely. Specially when you don't go all blazing from the first second. Wait for the battle to start and when everyone already focuses on someone...then uncloak and deal some damage and hope they aren't paying too much attention :) You might not even see it coming and when it hits...ouchie.
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Karrade Krise Now what were you wanting to do with the SB? Have someone tackle and you just sit at long range? Or would you rather be right in the thick of it, uncloak, pop a target, cloak, rinse, repeat. The problem here is the only thing you can pop like that is a T1 frigate or newbie destroyer, and you don't even get the loot. Why would I ever want to fly a ship that's so limited in target options? The goal is to fit for maximum voley damage ... ROF/range is irelevant ... If you can. Generally, I found that with a plated Rifter and a SB uncloaking in close proximity, the routine is preety much uncloak->fire->die horribly. I mean, yeah, I see it working with all L5 skills and all that, but making people suicide their normally skilled/fit SBs like that is a rude thing to do --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.10 10:19:00 - [21] Edited by: Xanos Blackpaw on 10/10/2008 10:19:08 Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Karrade Krise Now what were you wanting to do with the SB? Have someone tackle and you just sit at long range? Or would you rather be right in the thick of it, uncloak, pop a target, cloak, rinse, repeat. The problem here is the only thing you can pop like that is a T1 frigate or newbie destroyer, and you don't even get the loot. Why would I ever want to fly a ship that's so limited in target options? The goal is to fit for maximum voley damage ... ROF/range is irelevant ... If you can. Generally, I found that with a plated Rifter and a SB uncloaking in close proximity, the routine is preety much uncloak->fire->die horribly. I mean, yeah, I see it working with all L5 skills and all that, but making people suicide their normally skilled/fit SBs like that is a rude thing to do i'm not to sure about that rifter comment...i willingly triggered a trap they set up for me with a itty 5 last night...a ishtar, raven and jaguar warp in no me. the jag tackle me and the ishtar and raven start to lock me. i simply pop the jaguar with 3 salvos and then warp oiut before the first missile hit...and the ishtar didnt even get though my shield. i just got no idea how you can have trubble killing a rifter...no matter what kind if plate it got on... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.10 10:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw i simply pop the jaguar with 3 salvos and then warp oiut before the first missile hit...and the ishtar didnt even get though my shield. The Jaguar pilot should've torn you to little bits in three volleys of ACs max. He must've been doing something horribly wrong. Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw i just got no idea how you can have trubble killing a rifter...no matter what kind if plate it got on... I'm just pointing out that I have killed a number of SBs in a Rifter, merely because they made the bad call of engaging close-range thinking they'll one-volley a Rifter.
Khalid Seyadin Amarr Ejrekorp Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.10.10 11:25:00 - [23] wow, so many differing opinions, cheers for all. I think I'll continue training the necessary skills since they are useful for other ships too and still get an SB for gang fighting or messing around, it would be cool if they could warp cloaked and use torpedoes
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.10.10 13:16:00 - [24] They are a good ship if flown correctly and do require a swift mind along with patience. It is also important to learn how to use your scanner to find targets in a system and to use that information as best as you can. Half the battle with your bomber is getting into the correct position and using the correct tactic for the situation while leaving room to change the plan if the situation changes on the fly. At first I found life as a bomber a complicaded affair, having to process alot of info and make split second decisions but as time went on I got better and now its just second nature. Currently I go out in search of haulers and miners but I will quite happily take on a raven solo if I find one just on the off chance it has a weak tank vs my EM cruise and is running a macro.
Absolom Hues Gallente The Triangle Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.10 13:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Stealth bombers are comedy ships....... Quote: Merrin, keep thinking that. In fact convince everyone you can that Stealth Bombers have no good use. For the rest of you that want to think for your self, watch this video linked below. Do you think Merin can convince eXceed that bombers are worthless http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0707/HouseofPrawn2.avi ___ Doing what's right isn't always the easiest thing... it's just right.
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 16:08:00 - [26] Fit for bombs or cruise, but never both. Bombing fits should be cheap as they are likely to die. Don't ever bother with TPs on a bomber, your explosion radius is 40m and they won't really help much. Bombs can be devastating, but in practice its hard to coordinate their use properly. I don't know of any group of people that are good at it. SBs equipped with cruise missiles are most useful as ranged dps for roaming frig/cruiser gangs. They are especially good when paired with recons/EAF as the later are great at tackling and disabling targets but are short on dps. I find that people have the most luck just chucking missiles into the fight at about 40-50km.
Connner Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.10 16:37:00 - [27] Well surprise, surprise Merin Ryskin is in another SB topic. Why do you care this much that there are some out there who like SB's. To the OP, continue to train for SB's and try them out you will either love it or hate it. All the skills you will be training as prereqs will still be usefull for just about any other ship. Personally, I love my Hound.
Nikea Tiber Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.10 17:24:00 - [28] Despite what merin thinks, stealth bombers do have a role. Logistics disruption. SB's are very effective as disrupting a corp or alliances ratting, mining and industrial traffic. Untanked haulers pop in one or two volleys, most mining ships will dock up when you are in system, some ratters will as well. As a merc, SB's are very useful in 0.0 operations where we are at a disadvantage in terms of overall firepower. A SB allows for easy insertion into camped systems and has enough firepower to be taken seriously, especially in conjunction with recons. The inability for a defending force to catch you effects morale. Stealth bombers aren't general combat ships; they are uboats that disrupt industry and logistics. This being said, stealth bombers could use a bit of work, the most obvious buff would be the use of a cov ops cloak, in order to be as effective as possible right now you really need to have a set of off grid bookmarks to warp to; once you have these set up it is pretty easy to terrorize your enemy as you pop up at unexpected locations... tends to keep the carebears docked and the defense forces extremely frustrated. ___________________ Eventually, we all get outgunned or outnumbered.
Meridius Dex Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.10.10 18:01:00 - [29] SBs have very limited use, and only in very particular situations. I've flown them many times in zero sec and faction warfare. They can be used to disrupt enemy ewar or to sometimes disguise the true strength of your gatecamp by keeping half your gang in cloaked SBs in an otherwise busy system. Bombs are worthless. I've worked with a pvp corp using several SBs to attempt techniques such as Warp-out Bombing (requires tactical bookmarks on opposing points of a gate), Snapshot Bombing and a few other techniques. In truth, these are very hard techniques to master and any one of a number of things can go wrong in their execution to guarantee failure. Bombs are just all but worthless (and overly expensive). The only thing I've ever had any luck doing (besides being a wussy and sitting out at 150K during a bubble gatecamp and killmail whoring), was a tactic called 'fishing'. It only works against lone interceptors, frigates and destroyers. You basically put two sensor damps (range scripts, ofc) on the ceptor so that he finds he cannot lock unless he closes to within web range. Thinking they have an easy kill, you'd be surprised by the number of ceptor pilots that will fall into this trap. As soon as he hits web range, you pop the web and instantly launch missiles. I can pretty much one-volley almost any ceptor, but you are restricted to pilots who don't know better and they must be alone. If even one buddy shows up to help, you are toast. I currently don't own any SBs, as I find they are harder to implement in FW/low sec. I usually get so insanely bored looking for that one rare opportunity when an SB can shine that I often end up taking a wild hopeless attack on something and getting it blown up. But, hey, they are fun and I keep finding myself every few weeks when I'm stocking up on new ships buying one - even though I know they are fairly comedy ships.
Mara Starr	Posted - 2008.10.10 18:38:00 - [30] As has been stated above, you really shouldn't solo or do missions in a SB, but it is possible to solo someone possibly tanked if you range and and targeting speed are maxed and you have the targeting dampeners and skill to constantly be dampening or cloaking in between volleys. In my own experience a SB (Manticore is my SB of choice) can do a world of damage in terms of corp operations support roles. The best way to think of a stealth bomber is as a real world sniper. He can inflict a heavy amount of damage at a far range, but hes only one man and head on engagements are almost a death sentence. Now everything everyone has said about using them for gangs is applicable, but they work even better with a corp. You can disrupt operations like others have said above, but your role in a flat out battle or in the time leading up to it can be invaluable. A SB can sit off about 100-200 KM from a POS or gate and observe everything about the enemy and relay their movements to their corp. Additionally they can close up to a reasonable close distance and serve as as a warp beacon of sorts or make a book mark, disemnate it and then sit off. In terms of a battle, a SB can effectively target and kill many a support ship sitting if it has its range maxed and be outside the reach of some of the heavier ships. That's my $0.02.
Connner Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Mara Starr As has been stated above, you really shouldn't solo or do missions in a SB, but it is possible to solo someone possibly tanked if you range and and targeting speed are maxed and you have the targeting dampeners and skill to constantly be dampening or cloaking in between volleys. In my own experience a SB (Manticore is my SB of choice) can do a world of damage in terms of corp operations support roles. The best way to think of a stealth bomber is as a real world sniper. He can inflict a heavy amount of damage at a far range, but hes only one man and head on engagements are almost a death sentence. Now everything everyone has said about using them for gangs is applicable, but they work even better with a corp. You can disrupt operations like others have said above, but your role in a flat out battle or in the time leading up to it can be invaluable. A SB can sit off about 100-200 KM from a POS or gate and observe everything about the enemy and relay their movements to their corp. Additionally they can close up to a reasonable close distance and serve as as a warp beacon of sorts or make a book mark, disemnate it and then sit off. In terms of a battle, a SB can effectively target and kill many a support ship sitting if it has its range maxed and be outside the reach of some of the heavier ships. That's my $0.02. I disagree with the long rang tactic of an SB. Maybe if you were in a large gang it would be ok. However if you are in a small gang or posibly soloing (not a good idea, but some do), the best is to get within about 30-60km, decloak, launch a volley and then recloak before the missiles hit. If you are too far away your missils won't hit because you lose your lock, but if you are in the sweet spot you can pop in and pop out before your victem knows whats going on. This is more effective in a gang because you need the high alpha from multiple ships to pop someone on the first or second volley. Again SB's are not omgpwnmobiles, but they have a highly specilized role and are indeed usefull when they stick to that role. They will be even more effictive if the proposed Black Opps buff gets implimented soonish.
Tac Ginaz The Righteous Few	Posted - 2008.10.11 16:14:00 - [32] My first and one love in this game has been the stealth bomber. What you hear from others is mostly true. The SB is not a ship you want to get into if you are thinking that you can go solo hunting pvp. Doing that just gets you killed very quickly. The stealth bomber has several roles, all of which require it to work closely with other ship types. Role I: Fleet Support Type 1: Damage Assist. Sit 8km outside your fleet battleship's cluster and fire your cruise missiles at soft targets (cruisers, support ships) from long range. Not very glamourous, not very stealthy.. but in the end result you end up achieving something useful for your fleet. Type 2: Gate Camp. You need to be with some non-stealth frigates to tackle. You're there as the big bad DPS add on. Type 3: Bomber. Perhaps THE definite, ultimate role of the SB is to lob bombs at an enemy fleet. You must be working in conjunction with several other Bombers AND a recon frigate or else your bombs will be wasted. People say that bombing is useless. Its true when you do it solo or when you just get a couple more bombers who fire the bombs in an uncoordinated fashion. As single bombing is useless, I will skip that. To bomb effectively you need: 1, preferably 2 recon frigates 6 stealth bombers (or more). It is crucial to have the recon frigs.. they will be your way in and out of the enemy fleet, 'mobile safespots' if you will. Lets say the cluster of enemy BS is sighted. The bombers and recon frigs go to a safespot and cloak and wait. The recons head cloaked to the enemy fleet. One of them sets itself 80km on one side of the cluster, the other one sets itself 10km from the cluster. The 10km one frigate must be the one closest to the safespot where the SB's are in. It is best if the SB's are near the Star of the solar system as its an easier reference point to set up the attack. example: ---80kmrecon-------fleet---10kmrecon-------------->SB's--star Once the recons are set, the bombers attack in 2 waves. First wave jumps in from star to 10kmrecon using 'jump to 10km' so that when they emerge they will be 20km from the enemy fleet. First wave aligns to fleet cluster upon exiting warp, fires EM bombs + EM FOF cruises then warps to 10km from the 80km recon. 2nd wave of bombers jumps in 8 seconds after the 1st wave makes its jump to 10km frigate. They do the same process, firing EXP bombs and EXP FOF cruises When each wave arrives at 80km point, it turns around and warps to 40km of 10km frigate...making them appear again, 20km from the fleet cluster (fleet clusters usually 10km wide so 40km = fleet ships are about 18km from emergence point). They fire their bombs and warp to safespot near the sun (which is where their nose is pointing if they warped to the recon frig). Result is the fleet receives a first wave of EM bombs and missiles, knocking out the shields of most fleet setup battleships in the blast zone.. then 5 seconds later the explosive bombs hit them, likely killing several BS's. Then its repeated on the OTHER side of the fleet, causing more carnage. If you have enough stealth bombers for 3 waves, the first wave should be VOID bombers to prevent any ship from warping out. For that you'd need about 12 bombers. A small team working like this can achieve amazing results and its not that hard really. Once the first wave goes in its all a matter of the 2nd wave counting to 5 then warping in after them.
Connner Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.11 18:23:00 - [33] Tac Ginaz! That is brilliant. I'm going to have to try that w/ my corp. I havn't messed w/ bombs yet since they are expensive and require precise planning. This seems like some very nice planning.
Darkness consumes	Posted - 2008.10.11 18:39:00 - [34] one thing i will say about stealth bombers and know that i dont currently fly one 7 ships 6 stealthbombers and 1 of the other cloaking frigates taclking and ewing took my abaddon out
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.10.11 18:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Connner Tac Ginaz! That is brilliant. I'm going to have to try that w/ my corp. I havn't messed w/ bombs yet since they are expensive and require precise planning. This seems like some very nice planning. The very best us of a bomb is for blob warfare. If you have an enemy force on a gate stopping your assault from getting in a system then a bomber (which is already in said system) can launch a bomb at the enemy force and watch as they have an "oh shit" moment. If they dont warp off the smaller ships will die but if they do warp off (and most of the time they will scatter) this will give your attacking force the chance it needs to jump in. Basicly bombs are an anti blob weapon.
Adaera	Posted - 2008.10.12 00:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Connner They will be even more effictive if the proposed Black Opps buff gets implimented soonish. Black ops buff? Has something been confirmed for those? Sorry to go so off topic but I've been praying for a use for those almost since I started EVE
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.12 00:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Adaera Originally by: Connner They will be even more effictive if the proposed Black Opps buff gets implimented soonish. Black ops buff? Has something been confirmed for those? Sorry to go so off topic but I've been praying for a use for those almost since I started EVE And now I know how people feel when I talk about the Myrm being one of my first pirate ships (I started Eve right after it was introduced, IIRC) Um, on that note though, they've said they're going to give it a fuel bay.... which it damn well should have, have you seen the amount of fuel it takes to jump something?!?!?!? -Liang --
TimMc Gallente The Motley Crew	Posted - 2008.10.12 00:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Feng Schui nice thing about stealth bombers is running with interceptor / frig / Cruiser gangs.. seems like i'm always the top damage dealer for some reason I've lost my interceptor to a rapier/SB combo.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.12 00:32:00 - [39] I dislike stealth bombers. I want to like them, but every time I take one out out play, I'm left feeling that I'd have been better off in ... pretty much any other ship. This is mostly because their capability and role is ranged firepower projection. And battleships just do that better. Even with cloaking recalibration... well, it's not like you need a fast lock, when you've got enough support to stop them warping off. Or their role is cloaked mobility - and recons do _that_ better. (For bonus points recons can do more DPS, and usually a few other tricks too) They're bad at being a frigate, because they're fat, slow and fragile. They're bad at being anything larger, because they have 'frigate' dps. Their niche is in bombing - which in practice happens rarely, as the right situations to execute are much less common. And also blackops bridging - they're cheap firepower to jump portal, so actually at that they're acceptable. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
ARGH69 Beer For Breakfast	Posted - 2008.10.17 20:03:00 - [40] what's this? another stealth bomber thread and another series of "smart" pvp'ers bashing the ship again?.......LOL! this is how you fly the ship; null Linkage
Pac SubCom A.W.M	Posted - 2008.10.17 20:32:00 - [41] Originally by: ARGH69 what's this? another stealth bomber thread and another series of "smart" pvp'ers bashing the ship again?.......LOL! this is how you fly the ship; null Linkage Interesting setups. Straight and simple! --------------- ∞ TQFE
Jerat Gallente Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Karrade Krise If you time it just right, and are close enough, align to warp out point, uncloak, avtivate mods, click target, right click celestial object, hold cursor over warp to, wait that split second for target to pop, click warp to. You now have a kill, and got away before anyone could lock you in less than 2 seconds. Works extremely well if the target and his friends have no idea you're there. Guaranteed escape that way. This! Killing a ceptor that is not expecting you is always a big lol, especially if they are in a big gang camping a gate And remeber if solo never attack something you cant kill in one wolly
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Jerat Originally by: Karrade Krise If you time it just right, and are close enough, align to warp out point, uncloak, avtivate mods, click target, right click celestial object, hold cursor over warp to, wait that split second for target to pop, click warp to. You now have a kill, and got away before anyone could lock you in less than 2 seconds. Works extremely well if the target and his friends have no idea you're there. Guaranteed escape that way. This! Killing a ceptor that is not expecting you is always a big lol, especially if they are in a big gang camping a gate And remeber if solo never attack something you cant kill in one wolly I just installed fraps so I could document my sneakiness in this fashion. ^_^ ------------------------------------------------ I am not responsible for the above post, because apparently, my cat has learned how to type. :3
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:41:00 - [44] Edited by: OffBeaT on 18/10/2008 19:42:11 go with the drake.. its a better t****r and pvp hunter solo then the Stealth Bomber.. ill use a drake up against two Stealth Bombers anyday with high jamming skills from what im seeing, just put a cloak on it. Stealth Bombers look like great back up ships for the raven... :) anyway thats how i would use them in esscort with my raven.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:54:00 - [45] Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 18/10/2008 19:42:11 go with the drake.. its a better t****r and pvp hunter solo then the Stealth Bomber.. ill use a drake up against two Stealth Bombers anyday with high jamming skills from what im seeing, just put a cloak on it. Stealth Bombers look like great back up ships for the raven... :) anyway thats how i would use them in esscort with my raven. wut?
Word	Posted - 2008.10.18 22:46:00 - [46] I use the Hound to rat in a 0.2 system camped by a pirate corp. Got my 5.0 sec doing this. ( i then use an inty to salvage and get loot. Do not use the SB to open cans, you will get caught and die very quickly.) You have to train up all the related skills to get the 0 recal time, and max speed while cloaked. With 2X Sensor boosters you get near insta lock and great targeting range. Ever since the Hound boost to 3 launchers I've had the most fun. With Caldari Navy cruise missles I get over 500 hp and a good ROF with balistic mod in the low rack. They are terribly frail, I don't even bother with any tank mod, but when used correctly, very survivable. Remember, always stay aligned, and use the cloak to your advantage, ie, cloak, align, warp to move safely. Low friction nozzle rigs help the ship to align more like a frig. I want to be LUDICROUS
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.10.18 23:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Word You have to train up all the related skills to get the 0 recal time, and max speed while cloaked. Uh...there is no recal time with stealth bombers, you uncloak and can lock as soon as you turn off the cloak.
Tac Ginaz The Righteous Few	Posted - 2008.10.19 07:19:00 - [48] Well, there is another setup which is good for sort-of solo PVP'ing. But I still stick with my earlier statement: Solo PVP with a bomber is pointless... because STEALTH is pointless. You are still seen on the local chat and thus everyone knows there is a hostile in the system. but anyways, here is my solo setup (it actually works good for faction warfare!).. it is quite demanding of skill-sets as well as player skill: SkillRequirements: Cruise Missile 5 Warhead Upgrades 5 Target Navigation Prediction 5 Guided Missile Precision 5 Missile Projection 5 FOF Missiles 5 Covert Ops 5 Navigation 5 CPU and Powergrid reduction skills both to 5 (including advanced) Smartbomb 5 Setup only works with HOUND bomber. Hi: 1X small smartbomb (EM damage) 3X Cruise Missile Cloak II Mids: ECM BURST Low: CPU II 2X BCU II Note: Depending on what target you going for the lowslots can be changed to a combination of BCU II and Overdrive II and you can switch 2 of the cruise launchers to be T2 for faster refire of the FOF's if you have t2 cruise skill at lev 4 or 5. Missiles to use with this loadout: FOF missiles. The purpose of this setup is simple: Do not give the target any time to react. Think about the weapon loadout and you will see how it works: The FOF missiles do not require target lock. FOF missiles require your target to be 'hostile' to you. FOF missiles lock onto the nearest hostile to you. Smartbomb has a range of 5km Bomber loses cloak when inside 3km of a target. Cruise missiles fly at 3.7 km / s Hound is the Fastest cloaked bomber (even faster with Overdrive II's) Hound has bonus to Explosive damage Bomber can re-cloak 3 seconds after firing. To give you an example of an attack I carried out with this setup : Gate camper was in system. 3 interceptors and some T2 cruisers. I come in from a different gate they were not watching. Having been in this system before I have saved spots for off-grid near the gate. Jumped into that bookmarked point just off the grid by the camped gate. Cloaked. Speed cloaked with hound using overdrives is 720ms. Cloaked and racing towards the gate, I enter the gate grid and see 2 interceptors far below of the gate and the third was above the gate..each about 50km apart from gate. distance from each other was about 100km. T2 cruisers are sitting on top of the gate next to it waiting. Choose the topmost interceptor as target.. and flew to it. 10km from it I slow my ship down to 100ms and creep slowly to it, the timing has to be done right. Ship is aimed so it passes inside the 5km radius from target at a tangent. At 6km I punch full speed and hit decloak. After the 1 second it takes for ship to decloak (and its speed being nearly 300ms) hit the SMARTBOMB followed by the FOF missiles. (1 EM 2 Explosives, EM being the first in the firing sequence) Count to 3 and re-cloak, change vector, speed the fek away from the wreck at 720ms. What happened: In less than 1 second the Interceptor is hit by: EM smartbomb II (shield down to 90%) *** tags the interceptor as hostile FOF EM cruise missile (shield down to 10%) FOF Explosive Missile #1 (shield to 0, armor to 20%) FOF Explosive Missile #2 (armor to 0, hull to 0) (remember the cruises fly at 3.7km/s so it takes a second for them to hit the target..not enough time for the startled interceptor to hit the MWD!) The other interceptor and cruisers could not react in time before I re-cloaked. A bomber smacking one of their own with NO WARNING. The Hound's superb cloaked speed allowed me to be nearly 4km away from the death scene before the first interceptor zoomed by the wreck circling it. This requires many skillpoints for the ship to be fitted and the damage modifiers be high enough so that the FOF's can kill in one hit. Also requires a pilot that knows the target and is patient.
slightly sillydude	Posted - 2008.10.19 07:36:00 - [49] I will say, one thing bombers can do is rat in unfriendly 0.0. The cloak bonus does help get through gatecamps, and the extreme range and tiny size allows them to tank turret based NPC battleships, and the range gives them enough time to pop the NPC cruisers and below before they get to you. I used to use a hound to rat in the great wildlands and it was reasonably effective.
Andracin Free Galactic Enterprises Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.19 09:04:00 - [50] SB's suck at...stealth bombing...I have yet to see a single time a SB deploys its bomb and survives long enough to warp out. Where they do shine is combined with recons...falcon jams, arazu scrams, rapier webs, pilgrim neuts and SB's provide a massive amount of alpha damage. This is particularly effective when your main goal is to harass a larger force and keep them guessing where your going to pop up next. for a 12-15 mil fitted glass cannon they are fairly effective at what they do.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.19 10:03:00 - [51] Originally by: ARGH69 Edited by: ARGH69 on 17/10/2008 20:32:07 what's this? another stealth bomber thread and another series of "smart" pvp'ers bashing the ship again?.......LOL! this is how you fly the ship; Linkage Oh look, someone using the single counter example as a justification why the ships are good. Somehow missing that whilst stealth bombers were used effectively in that video, several other ship choices would have done a better job. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
ARGH69 Beer For Breakfast	Posted - 2008.10.19 19:23:00 - [52] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: ARGH69 Edited by: ARGH69 on 17/10/2008 20:32:07 what's this? another stealth bomber thread and another series of "smart" pvp'ers bashing the ship again?.......LOL! this is how you fly the ship; Linkage Oh look, someone using the single counter example as a justification why the ships are good. Somehow missing that whilst stealth bombers were used effectively in that video, several other ship choices would have done a better job. oh look, another clueless player. tell me, what other solo ship would have done a better job? it was a single stealth bomber picking off one of their tech 2 frigates on a 100 man bubble camp with a half dozen interceptors and several nano vagabonds. lol i love it. keep it comming sb bashers. my favorites are the ones that claim it is useless because it cannot use the covert ops cloak lol!
Mire Stoude Cash Money Brothers Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.20 00:02:00 - [53] I've enjoyed the stealth bomber. It could use some tweaks to make it a little more useful. A covert ops cloak would be nice, but then it would interfere with the covops frig role. My corp had a 9 man gang consisting of 5 bombers, an 2 interceptors, a covert ops ship and a falcon. A sucker bubble with well placed decloak cans helped quite a bit. We did some damage and had some fun while only losing a ceptor because he decided to go a few systems over and go 1v1 a vaga and ishtar.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.10.20 04:43:00 - [54] [] Originally by: ARGH69 Edited by: ARGH69 on 17/10/2008 20:32:07 lol i love it. keep it comming sb bashers. my favorites are the ones that claim it is useless because it cannot use the covert ops cloak lol! If you can't figure out how to use a Stealth Bomber the way it is, then you don't deserve to warp cloaked in it. I love when people agree with me on that :D
Aram Gishno Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.20 16:16:00 - [55] Edited by: Aram Gishno on 20/10/2008 16:16:36 Originally by: baltec1 Basicly bombs are an anti blob weapon. This statement is what I feel as the best role of the SB. aside from the fun kills you may get here and there it is a good way to deal with blobs. Bombs also have a good success rate against fighters (18 mil a piece) and breaking the locks from spidered carriers. When used properly a SB can be a good tactic to bring in a major cap/fleet battle. That is if the lag monster doesn't kill you first.
Galia Bonaventure	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Mire Stoude A sucker bubble with well placed decloak cans helped quite a bit. Sploitz!

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