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Bonefish O'Hallahan GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:57:00 - [391] Originally by: Avon Originally by: The Ubernomicon We should get BoB, NC and GS together and see how many times in a row we can crash Jita. Or better yet, just fill Jita with AFK players and not allow anyone else to enter the system. Stupid suggestions like that really don't help, do they? This is far more likely to be a "need" issue than a "greed" issue, but CCP can hardly turn around and say so if that is the case. Look, they are handling this badly, but the change in itself isn't a bad one. Expecting people to pay for what they get is fair enough. Sure I am ribbing CCP here, but don't confuse that with malicious intent. At face value, sure, they're just getting their pay. I'm just flabbergasted because it's going to lose them revenue of the majority of alts, and it screws the shit out of most of us. It makes sense when you SAY it, but EVERYONE is getting boned, just because they aren't thinking this through even a step or two.
Jaxxon Voers	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:57:00 - [392] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich. Payment Type: CreditCard VISA ** Credit card details Change Payment Method Update Subscription Interval Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended11/19/2008 Total Number Of Payments: 22 Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 11/19/2008 3:36:50 AM Remaining Playtime: 36d:2h:41m
Allyourbase Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:58:00 - [393] Edited by: Allyourbase on 14/10/2008 00:58:12 WHAT !!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:58:00 - [394] Originally by: Jaxxon Voers Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich. Payment Type: CreditCard VISA ** Credit card details Change Payment Method Update Subscription Interval Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended11/19/2008 Total Number Of Payments: 22 Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 11/19/2008 3:36:50 AM Remaining Playtime: 36d:2h:41m Yes, it is very hard to fake text on the internetz. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Rramar Claime Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:58:00 - [395] Originally by: Vtreka Originally by: Master Spoonman Well CCP, **** you too. I've heard you guys are even holding off on raises for your staff, too. How greedy can you guys get? How is your income even affected by the Icelandic market crash? You get paid in Euro/USD! Ummm you do realise the whole WORLD's markets crashed right? Umm you do realise iceland's market crashed and got wtfpwned from behind, twice, right? Go read some news before trying to be smart. "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes."
Danny Centurai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:59:00 - [396] Oooo shiney idea that CCP might not understand how about we don't nerf we boost... CCP devs scratch head Ok accounts that aren't paying can train 1 skills, accounts that are paying can train in two character slots. Omg wtf CCP rule, wouldn't that be amazing? You have to encorage people to pay, not force, 12 Year old lemonade stand business model doesn't work with internet spaceships!
Attak Trioptimum Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:00:00 - [397] Yeah, the fact that this is in the player guides as a feature in EVE and has remained there ever since release makes this move reek of money grabbing. I'd recommend taking whatever slick suited young professional who made this decision and telling him to go work for SOE. This is not the sort of thing that CCP should risk it's reputation for.
Rramar Claime Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:00:00 - [398] Originally by: Revolution Rising Edited by: Revolution Rising on 14/10/2008 00:55:50 I think this is disgusting. My drones don't all attack one target even when they are set to. My ui randomly repositions all my windows on the screen at seemingly random intervals. When I hit enter in a chat window at times it newlines instead of carriage-returns. STILL everyone is being lagged out in fleet battles on your old badly need of an upgrade servers. And god knows 300,000 x $18 is a nice monthly fee to be getting - and certainly buys a lot of XEONS. There are a thousand errors in this game that you aren't fixing. But you choose the one thing that gives you more money each month, and try to sell it off as "good for the community". And this is signed too. Hope in the future noone will have any good thoughts about ccp. "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes."
UnDeRBaLaNcE The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:00:00 - [399] I see a lot of fuss over this... But I have played eve since the beginning and I am not disappointed with this. I always kept my accounts active if I was training something on them I was probably using them at the same time for scouting or other task. This only creates a bunch of fuss because the people making super characters while not having to pay but get to reap the benefits after selling it. ThatÆs where I see the problem, but it does not bother me since I donÆt ghost train to sell. dons proximity suit ( Fire fighter will know what thats for )
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:01:00 - [400] Originally by: Malcanis The forums are going to go beserk on the 16th... Except... inactive accounts can't post! HAH! ____________
Mica Petrokov	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:01:00 - [401] I never realized how easy it is to shoot yourself in the foot when you're coding in python. Eh well, thanks for taking away my temptation to buy an alt!
DogSlime Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:02:00 - [402] I am convinced (as I have mentioned before) that Eve is successful in spite of CCP rather than because of CCP. It's bad enough when they take a dump on their playerbase AGAIN!!! Far worse, though, is the way they try to use weak justifications for it. A feature suddenly becomes a "bug". It's like they thing "Ha! the playerbase are stupid - we can feed them any old shite and they will believe it." Like I have said before, CCP behave like politicians. They're just like politicians, and I despise politicians. Lies... rewriting history... obfuscation... weak justifications that EVERYONE can see straight through, and they KNOW everyone can see straight through it, but so what? They got away with it every time so far, and they'll get away with it this time too - like politicians always do.
PsychoBones II R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:02:00 - [403] Edited by: PsychoBones II on 14/10/2008 01:04:01 Originally by: Cosy Ceaon is all about money I'm stealing your sig. If you object let me know. Edit: Nope wait, I like the other one better. Quit banning me.
Arconite	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:02:00 - [404] Well, not knowing what people were on about with Jumpgate - I must live under a rock or something. I googled it - http://www.jumpgateevolution.com/ - very pretty. Lets hope codemasters deliver eh ;)
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:02:00 - [405] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich. If I had a nickle for every one of your ill-tempered amarr whines, I could buy for 5 more accounts. Does that prove that amarr are overpowered? Try and understand the difference: this isn't about any particular ship or module or skill. This is about real money. Oh yeah, and being served a shit sandwich by a guy who flat out lied to us (see multiple links to wranglers own post about the feature he called a "bug" in his devblog tonight. I'll put up with a lot, but I find such naked dishonesty rather hard to choke down.
Idara Caldari Failure Corp	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [406] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: Malcanis The forums are going to go beserk on the 16th... Except... inactive accounts can't post! HAH! ZOMG. For the first time in history we'll have a mass posting by.....mains.... --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first in EVE - Idara
Feriluce Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [407] Originally by: Julius Jul Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though this is for me clear toughts "or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though" - if the account is not active, thats mean youre paying not for it, then you cannot switching skills, you must first paying (subscribing) for it, then you can handle all the things you can do it. if you are paying an account then the account is always active, olso if youre whith this is offline the account is always active, the skilling is always contining skilling and can be controlled whith tools anyway. only if an account is deactivated, that is NOT PAYING for it, then is that an GHOST situation, but many people want not to pay but the skills still training - and that is now come to end. simple for me to understanding this - why is it so difficult for many people for reading and understanding it ? If youre not paying for an tickit for transportation for an vacation then youre olso not going to there, how many times you have taking that trip its always paying first and then you can go, if not you dont go - simple as easaly understanding that. Julius You really dont get it...that qoute is from THE OFFICIAL PLAYER GUIDE, the "ghost training" has been promoted by CCP as a feature..not a bug.
Cueball Mcfuzz Groon Research	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [408] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: Malcanis The forums are going to go beserk on the 16th... Except... inactive accounts can't post! HAH! It's gonna be slow- the ignorant majority of Eve will take a long time to realize that their alts are not gaining skills, so expect a lot of the fallout to come over the course of the entire next year. Downside of this is that it will be spread out and even easier for CCP to ignore. Oh well, their loss.
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [409] i cant wait to see the pr backlash againts ccp for this maneuver If they were at least comepetent they would have pulled this in a way they could have not been cathced
Silvia t'Nias Paramilitary Skanks	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [410] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yes, it is very hard to fake text on the internetz. Aren't you the clever one? You can add all the people you want to your buddylist and watch them never turn green there, would that work for you? Wait, it would just prove people don't log in, they might cunningly still pay for the subscription...
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front Tread Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [411] Poasting in a topic full of whiners with an entitlement problem. I fail to see why you expect to have your skills train while not being subscribed. The last I looked EVE was not freeware.
Majuan Shuo Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [412] Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 14/10/2008 01:03:38 Originally by: Jaxxon Voers Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich. Payment Type: CreditCard VISA Credit card details Change Payment Method Update Subscription Interval Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended11/19/2008 Total Number Of Payments: 22 Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 11/19/2008 3:36:50 AM Remaining Playtime: 36d:2h:41m Username: ***** Payment Type: CreditCard VISA 0532 Credit card details Change Payment Method Update Subscription Interval Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended10/16/2008 Total Number Of Payments: 2 Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 10/16/2008 9:14:41 AM Remaining Playtime: 2d:8h:12m Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Adeena Torcfist Caldari Dark Underground Forces Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [413] if this nerfing on train time is going ahead, skill queing is a reasonable comprimise.....
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [414] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: Malcanis The forums are going to go beserk on the 16th... Except... inactive accounts can't post! HAH! But freshly resubbed accounts who find their skill has not completed, on the other hand...
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [415] I figure I may as well post my discontent too, for whatever it may be worth. Seriously now, we all know that this so-called "bug" was advertised as a feature of the character development in EVE. It is still noted (at this time) in the Official Player Guide hosted on this very website. We always read how CCP is purchasing bigger and better equipment to handle the server load. We know the economy where CCP is based is not doing well. Why should we believe the blog when we know all these things? I wish I could expect better of CCP than this "1984" styled revision of history but now I'm afraid that I cannot. From the experience of talking with and getting to know people within EVE, I'm disappointed that this will probably impact people in the military, deployed overseas. For me personally it was always comfort with EVE to know that if I missed a payment for whatever reason (ill health, screw up) I wouldn't be penalized like I would be with other games. This "Ghost Training" really was a positive feature of the game. I'm resigned to the fact that all I can do is throw my hands in the air and sigh. Oh well.
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [416] CCP Credability Graph -100 0 100 --X--------------<\|---------------\|---------------\|> ^ You are here why not even further off in the - way off the chart you ask ? because there are still ccp employes with boobs and i cant say no to boobs
Commander Spectre The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [417] Ok...so like allways you just love to irritate the players but this time you wanna make money at the same time and then try to cover it up with a blatant lie? Man, what's next? You gonna start making fraudulent charges on everyone's credit cards? Way to earn the players trust
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [418] From here. Scroll down. That was the last time they tried this. It was pulled after the patch notes thread was carpet bombed. Anyone from CCP want to keep arguing this was an unintended bug? If your search wasn't so sloppy, I'd be able to find the post where CCP rationalizes this change for EVE China because they pay by the hour or some such.
Leila Cross	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [419] Originally by: UnDeRBaLaNcE I see a lot of fuss over this... But I have played eve since the beginning and I am not disappointed with this. I always kept my accounts active if I was training something on them I was probably using them at the same time for scouting or other task. This only creates a bunch of fuss because the people making super characters while not having to pay but get to reap the benefits after selling it. ThatÆs where I see the problem, but it does not bother me since I donÆt ghost train to sell. dons proximity suit ( Fire fighter will know what thats for ) Valid point. That is your play style, and that suits your finances. Some people actually cancel their subscriptions when they know they are not going to have the time to play in a given month. The point that seems to really rub people here is that CCP is calling a game feature, that they themselves promoted as a benefit to playing EVE, a "bug" and claiming that the feature needed to be fixed. Tell the truth, you want more money. Don't lie.
Idara Caldari Failure Corp	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 - [420] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Poasting in a topic full of whiners with an entitlement problem. I fail to see why you expect to have your skills train while not being subscribed. The last I looked EVE was not freeware. It's gone past that. It's a change that they needed to do. But they should've done 5 years ago instead of trying to money grab now by passing this off as a bug. It's more about them lying to us as to the reasons behind this change than the change itself. --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first in EVE - Idara

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