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Wilma JugsJiggle	Posted - 2008.11.01 13:30:00 - [5281] I hear ya, the words "exercise" and "futility" spring to mind right now. I'm about spent, and I'll maybe stop in once in a while, but that's me more or less spent. My plethora of accounts (most people would be astounded if they knew how many I had) won't be getting reactivated.
Snn Kefro	Posted - 2008.11.01 16:18:00 - [5282] yes yes, many friends and accounts will of course leave beacuse this was one of the few special features in this game to play it on a long term. i payed for many accounts over years and brought many friends into the game so probaly brought in ccp a few thausand euros. nowadays while many people are trying to save some cash for such an expensive, besides pvp a very boring game (for cash you gotta work work work, making same missions for ages or mining on belts, does not bring fun) seems to upset you, ccp, even at rising customercount. before i got eve i never thought to pay for a game permanently and probalby just because of this "not wanted" feature i kept playing it that long. "its over" how a good song of ELO would say it, and that probably for all those who dont want to support a capitalist company (wheres the fun, dont you remember? i liked the guy who mentioned the snowball launchers :D) who treat their customers badly, lie to them and make rather bad developing decisions. saperating people. live on eve, since 15.10.2008... thats an aspect i never thought about when i started the game, thought it would only get better, not worse. but many recent decisions were just bad and can never made good again. probably many many people dont know about it yet. they will be much more angry and offensive then in future. i hope you get bankrupt on this decision, or take it back with a big excuse. and dont forget about the one or other free day for all the "not wanted" downtimes i had since i started the game. yes, ages ago there was something of a speciality about a ccp customer. nowadays it seems all gone. -hundrets of accounts especialy in the future :) no more free adds for the game, no more trial keys to my friends.
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.01 16:44:00 - [5283] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: CCP Navigator The thread content, I assume, is still the same. LOL priceless. This is simply outrageous, you(devs) actually read this thread once in a while and laugh at us?!! anyone else not laughing at their arrogance? Wonder if theres a way to get yer account perminantly deleted? Im no longer interested in playing a game that these assh-oles make. Its sad too I was looking forward to World of Darkness but I wont be playing that either because of these egomaniacs I agree. I won't touch that either, and like GOA, CCP have seemingly managed to alienate some of their future customers. I'm going to end up better off financially because of the decision - I can now go off an play any of the games on the market, MMO or not. CCP - Good luck . Chances are you won't be financially better off, and you are stuck with EvE. I know which side of the fence I'd rather be.
Chani Fedaykin	Posted - 2008.11.01 17:06:00 - [5284] Originally by: Richard Aiel Read here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=912215&page=1 Where 90% of the ppl in the thread show that noone gives a sh-it anymore about this topic outside of this thread. remove irrelevant posts from the topic and then try to verify that 90% of the posters in the thread actually say that the removal of ghost training is a good move try to train your mathematics skill to at least lvl 1 before making statments like that :P besides (as pointed out a lot of times already) its not only about the removal that makes ppl think about leaving / cancelling subs. get your facts right if you want to say anything, otherwise dont bother ... just an advise ... ranger I (just browse the last few pages) was a very good example :P
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.01 21:32:00 - [5285] All this nonsense about DB loads. I bet there's more load from having unsubbed market orders and contracts than to keep one skill running until it completes.
Richard Aiel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.01 22:24:00 - [5286] Edited by: Richard Aiel on 01/11/2008 22:26:18 Originally by: Chani Fedaykin Originally by: Richard Aiel Read here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=912215&page=1 Where 90% of the ppl in the thread show that noone gives a sh-it anymore about this topic outside of this thread. remove irrelevant posts from the topic and then try to verify that 90% of the posters in the thread actually say that the removal of ghost training is a good move try to train your mathematics skill to at least lvl 1 before making statments like that :P besides (as pointed out a lot of times already) its not only about the removal that makes ppl think about leaving / cancelling subs. get your facts right if you want to say anything, otherwise dont bother ... just an advise ... ranger I (just browse the last few pages) was a very good example :P reread all the rest of my posts in this thread if yer gonna compare me to ranger I then go **** yerself. I am no CCP stooge. My ass is exit only kthx If that was actually meant as advice then i apologise but it felt like trolling. ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------
Ramsfeld BeachBoys	Posted - 2008.11.01 23:22:00 - [5287] Ohh I see CCP find the way to "fix bug" call ghost training, hmm Im wonder can CCP also fix lag in fleet battles ?
Chani Fedaykin	Posted - 2008.11.01 23:38:00 - [5288] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Chani Fedaykin ... remove irrelevant posts from the topic and then try to verify that 90% of the posters in the thread actually say that the removal of ghost training is a good move try to train your mathematics skill to at least lvl 1 before making statments like that :P besides (as pointed out a lot of times already) its not only about the removal that makes ppl think about leaving / cancelling subs. get your facts right if you want to say anything, otherwise dont bother ... just an advise ... ranger I (just browse the last few pages) was a very good example :P reread all the rest of my posts in this thread if yer gonna compare me to ranger I then go **** yerself. I am no CCP stooge. My ass is exit only kthx If that was actually meant as advice then i apologise but it felt like trolling. a) no point in becoming personal, i kept it in a decent manner too (at least i tried to) b) obviously i did not compare you to ranger 1 - i just pointed out, that not sticking to / ignoring facts/reasons can make you look quite stupid ... and i just mentioned ranger 1 as good example as what will/can happen in that case. apology accepted ^^
Orbius Prime Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.02 00:54:00 - [5289] Edited by: Orbius Prime on 02/11/2008 00:56:12 i'm just wondering how things realy are going for ccp (income wise) if it's still going great ( increasing) then well... alts are compensating for real players who are leaving... if it's going bad ( decreasing income) then maybe ccp should take it's conclusions and bring back the 90days-30 days and keep the ghost training as a "bug" -not intended piece of the game- or if they realy wanne make it all up to their loyal customers, allow ghost training too... As that is the reason why busy working people come back to EvE after a hard RL time! No real time lost ingame, as you kept training that 40 day skill while fixing bigger issues (RL). That's why I came back after a month of "moving/getting internet connection sorted out". in total... any well aware company would see the latest changes as full out bad as it kicks loyal and long time customers in the nuts! And frankly, those are the best customers there are! and those that you need! [ TimeCards SAVES Money ]
Candice Dice	Posted - 2008.11.02 01:17:00 - [5290] Who cares if CCP reverses these bad decisions they have made as of late, simple fact is they have alienated old customers, new customers and future customers (word of mouth) and whether they reverse these or not the damage is done. I for one hope they become bankrupt, 5 year old MMO which has gone and done a "wow" with some Rogue back stabs on there longest serving customers and for that deserve nothing less than destitution. My Alt Accounts...gone never to use power of 2 promo again My Main trasnfered to friend My Main account expiring very soon My long lasting impressions? Make sure everyone i know on forums, other MMO's I play KNOW how bad this game direction/dev team is going.

Tasty Bit Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.11.02 01:57:00 - [5291] Originally by: Candice Dice My long lasting impressions? Make sure everyone i know on forums, other MMO's I play KNOW how bad this game direction/dev team is going.
Relleh	Posted - 2008.11.02 02:55:00 - [5292] wow, can't believe yall are still going at this one. Get over it, I am over it. Only people this will seriously affect are the character farmers. Yeah, will be an inconvenience when my account lapses because i am as poor managing real life money as i am at managing my isk. But you know what, i will just start buying a year at a time on all my accounts, will save money in the long run that way. This isn't such an issue to do after those nice little tax returns you get once a year. Now I just gotta focus on getting a new computer, as my current one can't run two accounts all that well. Think I melted my last one running all three in level 4 missions in different systems. You guys should all be concentrating on finding out WHY THE ORCA TAKE EXHUMER V???? I mean come on, i gotta better toon already lined up for that, not my miner with exhumer V but no leadership skills. Let me put my transport/CS pilot into the orca, not my main miner!!
iXetus e-PWN	Posted - 2008.11.02 06:31:00 - [5293] Originally by: Relleh You guys should all be concentrating on finding out WHY THE ORCA TAKE EXHUMER V???? I mean come on, i gotta better toon already lined up for that, not my miner with exhumer V but no leadership skills. Let me put my transport/CS pilot into the orca, not my main miner!! Why are you so surprised, don't u see that CCP started doing everything wrong lately? I almost think that they do it on purpose, or maybe some1 there is intentionally ruining the game, i can't see why though CCP be aware that i screenshot all my forum posts now.
Liu	Posted - 2008.11.02 07:59:00 - [5294] i admit it, i am guilty. i have been using ghost training on my 3 accounts during the last 10 months. why? becuase i loved this game, and even though my current real life situation didnt allow me to play, i didnt want to fall back on training. thus, paying one month out of every two was acceptable to me, even though i didnt play at all. first with the change of GTC, and now with the fix of the ghost training bug, the situation has changed. i've transfered two of my chars to the other account, and cancelled 2 accounts. maths are very simple. CCP will get less money from me. CCP, be aware, not only because some changes screw your customers big time, but mostly, cause your public relations department is really terrible. lying, banning, hiding under the carpet, locking threads, LOOSING threads, denying until it all blows up on your nose, blaming the messenger... there was a time when those things werent your standard behaviour. Originally by: Apertotes tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf
Iva Soreass Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.02 11:19:00 - [5295] Originally by: Liu i admit it, i am guilty. i have been using ghost training on my 3 accounts during the last 10 months. why? becuase i loved this game, and even though my current real life situation didnt allow me to play, i didnt want to fall back on training. thus, paying one month out of every two was acceptable to me, even though i didnt play at all. first with the change of GTC, and now with the fix of the ghost training bug, the situation has changed. i've transfered two of my chars to the other account, and cancelled 2 accounts. maths are very simple. CCP will get less money from me. CCP, be aware, not only because some changes screw your customers big time, but mostly, cause your public relations department is really terrible. lying, banning, hiding under the carpet, locking threads, LOOSING threads, denying until it all blows up on your nose, blaming the messenger... there was a time when those things werent your standard behaviour. 2 things here is exacly why im so **ed off with ccp at atm. 1st the gtc crap was a joke, getting rid of 90and 30 day gtcs was a big money motivated mistake. 2nd i have never used the 'ghost training' 'bugg' but the way you (CCP) handled the whole situation is beyond a joke and screams GREED. I love this **ing game but damm you guys make it so hard to stick around when you pull off crap like this.
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.02 12:26:00 - [5296] EVE is on the verge of something new, something different and its name is..... Star Wars Galaxies Effect... Anybody want to buy a 38m character and lots of GTCs? ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
Brother Welcome Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.02 18:31:00 - [5297] So any official response yet? Or is the plan just to wait us out and trust the issue will be lost in collective amnesia? Lamentably that's a tried-and-true method of corporate malfeasance. -vk
Chris Aluqah	Posted - 2008.11.02 19:13:00 - [5298] this issue was too small to cause all this uproar, so the reasons are deeper and the next small issue will probably cause the same kind of uproar, minus the people that left this time. I doubt eve will have a shortage of small issues, which is natural. Sticking the head in the sand is a strategy, but let's not forget it leaves vital parts of the body in the open :p
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.02 20:45:00 - [5299] I think the cancellations haven't hit CCP yet, so they don't know if it's just a threat until the game time runs out in less than 30, 60, 90 days time. Tgey would also be hoping people will resub to try Quantum Rise, and that it will sway those who say they have had enough. Risky game to play, unless either people haven't cancelled and they see that, or the numbers that have aren't really much of a bother to them at this point.
Leica Stroganow	Posted - 2008.11.02 22:04:00 - [5300] Rabblerabblerabble

Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.02 22:05:00 - [5301] Originally by: Leica Stroganow Rabblerabblerabble Good point!
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.11.02 22:22:00 - [5302] Originally by: Squirrrel I think the cancellations haven't hit CCP yet, so they don't know if it's just a threat until the game time runs out in less than 30, 60, 90 days time. Tgey would also be hoping people will resub to try Quantum Rise, and that it will sway those who say they have had enough. Risky game to play, unless either people haven't cancelled and they see that, or the numbers that have aren't really much of a bother to them at this point. Oh please, Quantum Rise is a large update at best, nothing worth resubbing for. Besides, we didn't cancel our accounts because of lack of content. Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.02 22:30:00 - [5303] Originally by: Tivookz Originally by: Squirrrel I think the cancellations haven't hit CCP yet, so they don't know if it's just a threat until the game time runs out in less than 30, 60, 90 days time. Tgey would also be hoping people will resub to try Quantum Rise, and that it will sway those who say they have had enough. Risky game to play, unless either people haven't cancelled and they see that, or the numbers that have aren't really much of a bother to them at this point. Oh please, Quantum Rise is a large update at best, nothing worth resubbing for. Besides, we didn't cancel our accounts because of lack of content. Tiv That's not how CCP tend view their free little patches. They probably think people will rush back just to get the Orca.
El Orenz	Posted - 2008.11.02 23:02:00 - [5304] After taking a break in AoC and watch Failcom allienate their customers I didn't think you'd be just as stupid on your decisions. I wont quit, but it's time to seriously reduce the numbers of my accounts.
Happatai	Posted - 2008.11.03 00:31:00 - [5305] Ah well just canceled 2 of my accounts, it feels good I wonder if CCP actually noticed any kind of serious income loss from this; I certainly hope so. I've got about a month left on this account, I'm not sure if I'm going to renew on this one either...
Richard Aiel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.03 01:07:00 - [5306] Originally by: Brother Welcome So any official response yet? Or is the plan just to wait us out and trust the issue will be lost in collective amnesia? Lamentably that's a tried-and-true method of corporate malfeasance. -vk the official response is f-uck you we're doing this if you like it or not. If you DONT like it, the door is that way. ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.11.03 07:41:00 - [5307] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Brother Welcome So any official response yet? Or is the plan just to wait us out and trust the issue will be lost in collective amnesia? Lamentably that's a tried-and-true method of corporate malfeasance. -vk the official response is f-uck you we're doing this if you like it or not. If you DONT like it, the door is that way. That's the problem with online based companies with no phone line and with no office to visit to show your dissatisfaction. Our rage would be more real if they actually heard our voices but now we're nothing more than a couple of lines on the forum that can easily be ignored. CCP have grown too big for their own good because if they treat us that disliked the removal of ghost-training no matter how many good arguments we have about it in this way then they will treat everyone this way sooner or later. For example if you don't care about ghost-training then fine, don't. But remember that the day will come when they do something that **es you off just like this **ed us off to the point of unsubscribing but whatever you type here to complain about it will just fall on deaf ears and echo out like it never existed. Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008
iXetus e-PWN	Posted - 2008.11.03 08:58:00 - [5308] What if the only guys watching these forums are the ones that royally screwed up with this "bugfixing" and even if they understand in what deep **** are they, they're just afraid to lose their jobs, so they keep it secret from their bosses? Maybe it would be a good idea to try and find at least some e-mail of some CCP boss, so we can show him the link to this thread? CCP be aware that i screenshot all my forum posts now.
Tivookz Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.11.03 09:16:00 - [5309] Originally by: iXetus What if the only guys watching these forums are the ones that royally screwed up with this "bugfixing" and even if they understand in what deep **** are they, they're just afraid to lose their jobs, so they keep it secret from their bosses? Maybe it would be a good idea to try and find at least some e-mail of some CCP boss, so we can show him the link to this thread? I think the message would become clearer if someone just printed out the whole topic and then shipped it all in a box to CCPs office or something. Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008
Kersal Replica Image	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:16:00 - [5310] I can't help but feel that if everyone in this thread that's threatening to leave actually does so then the Eve universe is going to become a lot less crowded. Their will be less competition for materials, less competition in the market place, and who knows what will happen to alliance held 0.0 space if swathes of members quit the game. On the up side their will be less competition for materials, less competition in the market place and 0.0 blobs will be smaller helping to reduce lag. See the is a silver lining. This is obviously a polarizing issue. Those who make use of this bug/feature feel betrayed by the change and the lack of any advance warning. Whereas those who don't use this bug/feature are either ambivalant to the change or are filling the forums with "Not before time!" posts. This is not something that's going to go quietly into the night I feel.



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