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Aliedora	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:26:00 - [1] Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 16/10/2008 14:28:08 As a PVP'er you get to hunt Orcas and pad your killboard scores with "capital ship kills", what more can you ask for?
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Ill pay you 2 isk for your pvp tears. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:28:00 - [4] Sure, so, what did the previous patches do for carebears? Didn't you read the logs, about the patch being for industrialists, traders, etc this time? Can you understand that we (or at least, my alts) want features too? ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
fivetide humidyear Gallente EXCESS10N	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:32:00 - [5] Edited by: fivetide humidyear on 16/10/2008 14:32:51 everyone has to do logistics to fight this patch should make it easier to get stuff therefore less time (and ISK) spent on procuring and moving ships therefore more time to pew pew (and new stuff to explode) therefore all good (except nano stuffs) rabble rabble EDIT - please let one freighter / industrial move rigged ships. please
Zhenga Black Thorn Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:33:00 - [6] IBTL
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:34:00 - [7] One single expansion for industrialists and the wannabe pvp'ers are all crying...
Karl Mattar Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Yeah, it's just you. I'm looking forward to the expansion. And no, not a carebear.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. you might be right, but out of all the EVE expansions to date, how many have NOT been PvP oriented? how many have been geared towards industrialists or carebears? seriously, grow up. ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:39:00 - [10] Quote: "We are very proud to be delivering this expansion, both in terms of features and the sheer performance increases made possible by deep refactoring of selected portions of our network and server code, complimented with the finest hardware we could find," says Torfi Frans +lafsson, Senior Producer of EVE Online. "I can't imagine a better game where you can engage hundreds of people simultaneously in highly immersive tactical combat or simply sit back and make millions off of the conflict via research, manufacturing or logistics. You choose your destiny; that's the beauty of it." What more could any pvper ask for? they are going ot fix the lag... honest... no really the lag will be fixed

Margot Fortain Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:41:00 - [11] You do realise that pretty much everything you fly and blow up is built by Industrialists yes? Would it kill you to begrudgingly acknowledge that an occational new feature for them will not ruin your EVE experience. Perhaps you are too accustomed to being spoilt by regular free expansions aimed at you that you have forgotten how to share? I understand, I realy do, my children often have to readust after visiting thier grandparents, takes some time for them to remember the planet does not revolve around them
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:41:00 - [12] CCP's already mentioned that some upcoming patches will give some love for the industry types. Fine by me, as others have said they've got **** all for attention in the last bunch of patches. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:19:00 - [13] Did someone actually think an "industrial expansion" would bring more pew to the party? And weapon stacking is certainly pewpew. Or pew. Or pe. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Margot Fortain You do realise that pretty much everything you fly and blow up is built by Industrialists yes? Would it kill you to begrudgingly acknowledge that an occational new feature for them will not ruin your EVE experience. You're asking a lot from someone who can't even distinguish between industrialists and "carebears".
Liranan M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Catherine Frasier You're asking a lot from someone who can't even distinguish between industrialists and "carebears". I was going to post something about OP crying on the forums about him being a noob and needing to shoot at carebears or whatever and then I read Catherine Frasier's comment and lolled. The truth is so cruel Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Confuzer Sure, so, what did the previous patches do for carebears? Didn't you read the logs, about the patch being for industrialists, traders, etc this time? Can you understand that we (or at least, my alts) want features too? Yeah but it's hard for people like him to understand. If he realised that other people have feelings and wasn't so selfish he probably wouldn't be such a hard nut in the first place. You can't expect much more than me-me-me-me from people like that. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Alex Salas BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Catherine Frasier You're asking a lot from someone who can't even distinguish between industrialists and "carebears". In certain player circles carebears is a derogatory term for anyone engaged in activities outside PVP. Unfair? Maybe but it is what it is. ___ EVE lies...rotating FTL!!! http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=99 On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranqu
Melangell	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:45:00 - [18] reads announcement reads OP So the lag reduction is only for the carebears? Makes sense. I guess they are going to implement a special lag flag if you don't run missions in highsec while crying.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Alex Salas In certain player circles carebears is a derogatory term for anyone engaged in activities outside PVP. Yep, and expecting one of them to "begrudgingly acknowledge that an occational new feature for industrialists will not ruin your EVE experience" is asking a lot. It's not impossible, like asking one of them to close their mouth while they breathe, but still, it's asking a lot.
Banana Torres Look Ma I did a Test	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Aliedora is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Yep, just you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:06:00 - [21] I am a PVPer, and I approve this expansion. Bleh, seriously, who cares. Everyone needs to 'get theirs'. Long needed content, imo.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Alex Salas Originally by: Catherine Frasier You're asking a lot from someone who can't even distinguish between industrialists and "carebears". In certain player circles carebears is a derogatory term for anyone engaged in activities outside PVP. Unfair? Maybe but it is what it is. agreed, but given that even industry/trading in EVE is PvP-based (and i don't mean PvP-dependent, i mean that there are struggles between players in virtually all areas of EVE, not just in traditional pewpew) then doesn't that comment still apply? to me a carebear is someone that ONLY runs missions and never leaves Empire and who would, literally or metaphorically, cry upon losing a ship to another player. that's not, by any stretch of the imagination, necessarily a true or reasonable description for an industrialist. ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Last expansion where for PvPers when Empyrean Age where launched. And before that we have had many other very PvP related expansions. So I am more then sure you will survive an expansions for industrialists. Because you see, EVE is not just a PvP game! it is a sandbox game! And in such a game you can do everything! Including shooting people, but also building stuff! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. it is just me, but are all the previous expansions 90% useless to those who carebear? --------- I JUST FOUND THE GAME!
Nathair Nimheil Gaidhlig Technology	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Aliedora weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Says you! I've been ~~whining~~ asking for that for years.
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Letouk Mernel Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 16/10/2008 14:28:08 As a PVP'er you get to hunt Orcas and pad your killboard scores with "capital ship kills", what more can you ask for? Call me Ishmael, Orca-hunter.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Relax, it's just yet another "biggest expansion ever" with a handful of shiny new things, 50 new bugs and otherwise nothing worthwhile, but with bombastic marketing and a cool promo vid. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Pan Crastus Relax, it's just yet another "biggest expansion ever" with a handful of shiny new things, 50 new bugs and otherwise nothing worthwhile, but with bombastic marketing and a cool promo vid. Yeah, I hope the new Tech 2 Cynicism implants come out in this expansion too!
Malcanis RuffRyders	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv I am a PVPer, and I approve this expansion. Bleh, seriously, who cares. Everyone needs to 'get theirs'. Long needed content, imo. This.
Challis Caldari Omega Sector	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:48:00 - [30] If there wherent any carebears in eve, wed all have to go play WOW. This would be in everyones disadvantage :)

Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:50:00 - [31] If there weren't any carebears in EVE, WOW would certainly have a larger playerbase. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Makhan	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:55:00 - [32] Edited by: Makhan on 16/10/2008 16:56:06 Bugger off, PvP has accounted for 90% of the previous expansions, it's more than time we had industry improvements.
Aliedora	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:57:00 - [33] no need to be so defensive guys. just admit that you have been continuously screwed over the years when it came to implementing features crucial for industry. now is you moment of joy. but guess what, your income directly depends on PvP'ers. and we need incentive to continue playing, in the light of recent events the announcement of a new expansion where just about the only useful feature for us is some lousy weapon grouping... I can't help but ponder as to how many people have already left. well, quite a few, it seems. and if there's less of us, your profits will plummet.
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:21:00 - [34] Problem is that all those "pvp expansion" you so dislike did jack shit for pvp at all. PvP is the same as ever, it did not improve, probably its more stupid these days.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Aliedora quite a few, it seems. Oh look active player numbers are declining after a peak just like it always has. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Shard Merchant Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Ill pay you 2 isk for your pvp tears. Don't be so useless. You don't have to be a pvper to feel left out. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT?
DaDutchDude Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Shard Merchant Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Ill pay you 2 isk for your pvp tears. Don't be so useless. You don't have to be a pvper to feel left out. I'll pay you 2 isk for your non-PVP tears too then, just so you don't feel left out.
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:50:00 - [38] I don't think pvpers like the OP will be happy until CCP closes missions and removes high sec space
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Aeo IV I don't think pvpers like the OP will be happy until CCP closes missions and removes high sec space They wouldnt be happy either if they had to mine the ore themselves, refine it and build their ships before they could use in PvP... Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Malcanis RuffRyders	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Aeo IV I don't think pvpers like the OP will be happy until CCP closes missions and removes high sec space They wouldnt be happy either if they had to mine the ore themselves, refine it and build their ships before they could use in PvP... Meh. I can do all those things if I have to.

Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Aeo IV I don't think pvpers like the OP will be happy until CCP closes missions and removes high sec space They wouldnt be happy either if they had to mine the ore themselves, refine it and build their ships before they could use in PvP... Meh. I can do all those things if I have to. Some would. Most "PvPers" though would start screaming for NPC sold ships. At least so have happend in other games where the producable items did not fill the market. And that would be the end of EVE online as we know it. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Malcanis RuffRyders	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Aeo IV I don't think pvpers like the OP will be happy until CCP closes missions and removes high sec space They wouldnt be happy either if they had to mine the ore themselves, refine it and build their ships before they could use in PvP... Meh. I can do all those things if I have to. Some would. Most "PvPers" though would start screaming for NPC sold ships. At least so have happend in other games where the producable items did not fill the market. And that would be the end of EVE online as we know it. Just sayin', I think there's a larger overlap between "PvPer" and "Industrialist" than many people realise. I also think some people don't realise that industrial activity can, and does go on outside hi-sec.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:27:00 - [43] Yeah, how dare the non-combat types expect something or another. Plenty of patches have focused on the combat side of EVE, throwing the industrial side a bone isn't the end of the world. Corp and Personal killboard
Traidor Disloyal Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:38:00 - [44] I like girls with big bottoms. --------------------------------------------- I'd post with my main but he was banned.
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Makhan Edited by: Makhan on 16/10/2008 16:56:06 Bugger off, PvP has accounted for 90% of the previous expansions, it's more than time we had industry improvements. Of those 90% "expansions" included hundreds of nerfs to protect you carebears in your little sandbox. I for one welcome the speed nerf so you lazy Industrialist that autopilot your freighters in high sec will be that much easier of targets!! Yes it is still possible to kill you lazy **s. I think it is funny that all the carebear tears end up coming back to haunt them. The very thing they whine for ends up biting them in the **ing as....can you guys say gate guns. -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:54:00 - [46] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I like girls with big bottoms. I like big butts and I cannot lie. Corp and Personal killboard
Lando Paladin	Posted - 2008.10.16 19:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Piper Halliwell Originally by: Makhan Edited by: Makhan on 16/10/2008 16:56:06 Bugger off, PvP has accounted for 90% of the previous expansions, it's more than time we had industry improvements. Of those 90% "expansions" included hundreds of nerfs to protect you carebears in your little sandbox. I for one welcome the speed nerf so you lazy Industrialist that autopilot your freighters in high sec will be that much easier of targets!! Yes it is still possible to kill you lazy **s. I think it is funny that all the carebear tears end up coming back to haunt them. The very thing they whine for ends up biting them in the **ing as....can you guys say gate guns. ok, let me get this straight. you "welcome the speed nerf because freighters in high sec will be easier of targets". yes, those cheeky nano freighters. a hundred million ton flying brick literally CANING IT along so fast at a mind boggling 100m/s your bullets just can't catch up!!! I mean us indy pilots are literally THROWING OUR RATTLES OUT OF THE PRAM at the future inability to nano-fit the badger.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.16 20:08:00 - [48] Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 16/10/2008 20:08:29 Originally by: Piper Halliwell Originally by: Makhan I for one welcome the speed nerf so you lazy Industrialist that autopilot your freighters in high sec will be that much easier of targets!! Yes it is still possible to kill you lazy ****s. I'll assume you mean industrial ships, not freighters. Oh, and popping autopiloting high sec indys... Well aren't you just Mommie's Big Tough PvPer. /headpat
Kiyirari All Star Sluts	Posted - 2008.10.16 20:15:00 - [49] Care bears make the world go round, didn't ya know about that Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Deeron Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.16 20:20:00 - [50] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Yes it is just you. CCP has stated there is more to the expansion they'll tell everyone about in the near future. Stay tuned! Granted pvp is a blast, but Eve offers a ton of things to do other than just pew pew. Either broaden your interests or quit complaining about carebears. Without carbears you'd have to fight others on equal ground.. hmmm.. so sad! :( ________________________________________________ When 900 years you reach, look as good you will!

Siberys Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.16 20:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Karl Mattar Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Yeah, it's just you. I'm looking forward to the expansion. And no, not a carebear. /Sighed Oh right I AM a carebear. THIS IS WHAT WANTON DESTRUCTION OF FACTION FIT DAREDEVILS BY 9 DAY OLDS IN SMARTBOMB OMENS IN HIGHSEC DOES TO PEOPLE! __________________________________________ This be my sig.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.16 20:25:00 - [52] This patch boosts industry. Boosted industry means boosted ability to buy and consume combat modules. Boosted industry therefore means boosted PvP. CCP has made no mention of adding additional protection to the "carebear" community, although personally I only consider chronic whiners and mission-only players to really be carebears. Industry types are essential to everyone.
Daelin Blackleaf	Posted - 2008.10.16 20:29:00 - [53] Originally by: Furb Killer One single expansion for industrialists and the wannabe pvp'ers are all crying... Seriously, who didn't see it coming.
Obepp Era	Posted - 2008.10.16 21:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Aliedora no need to be so defensive guys. just admit that you have been continuously screwed over the years when it came to implementing features crucial for industry. now is you moment of joy. but guess what, your income directly depends on PvP'ers. and we need incentive to continue playing, in the light of recent events the announcement of a new expansion where just about the only useful feature for us is some lousy weapon grouping... I can't help but ponder as to how many people have already left. well, quite a few, it seems. and if there's less of us, your profits will plummet. I don't see how our income is changed through the ghost leveling being taken out, not like they are buying much from us when their account is inactive. However many end up quiting for whatever reason you can bet will be replaced with more people soon enough, were not going to get hurt from it.
Oftherocks Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:02:00 - [55] Originally by: fivetide humidyear EDIT - please let one freighter / industrial move rigged ships. please Ditto, This, QFT, etc...
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. I'd offer you my condolences, but I'm afraid "condolences" might be too large a word for you to understand.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. 0/10 The industrial part of EVE is as much a part of it as the combat side of it and deserves easily as much developer attention as the combat aspects of the game. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:43:00 - [58] as long as they make it easier for pos fueling i dont care =) those poor guys need more than medlas to keep them going =), they miss out on all thr fun becuas eof this crap mechanic, plus this will boost PVP as there isnt another way to make ships you may hate carebears but we need each other The EvE LifeÖ Blog bringing you the blogs that really matter working in conjunction with EVE Network NewsÖ
Adaera	Posted - 2008.10.17 00:12:00 - [59] I'm a combat char and greatly support any buff to the industrialists. The industry side of the game, while not my thing, adds another level and enhances the feel of the huge, compex player run galaxy. ... Plus it means more targets. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Captain Hudson Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.17 01:58:00 - [60] Originally by: Aliedora no need to be so defensive guys. just admit that you have been continuously screwed over the years when it came to implementing features crucial for industry. now is you moment of joy. but guess what, your income directly depends on PvP'ers. and we need incentive to continue playing, in the light of recent events the announcement of a new expansion where just about the only useful feature for us is some lousy weapon grouping... I can't help but ponder as to how many people have already left. well, quite a few, it seems. and if there's less of us, your profits will plummet. Leave the game already, your obviously a complete idoit Bin Laden Dancing

Brigsby5987 Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.10.17 02:10:00 - [61] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Shitty Troll. Please DIAF. kthx _______________________________________ Sig? where. There's no sig here.
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles	Posted - 2008.10.17 02:20:00 - [62] Replying in this thread just for the title "Carebear Rise" The removal of "Ghost Training"
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.10.17 02:22:00 - [63] For realz! there hasn't been an extremely PVP focused expansion in like........oh wait! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.10.17 04:37:00 - [64] op gets a cookie... The Title loled me --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community--->M1tn4L?
CHAOS100 Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.17 05:08:00 - [65] I don't really care about new pvp 'features'. I just want new (pvp) ships that are worth flying. Normally CCP implements some change that adds more months to skill training. --------------
C4LYP50 HeXstoof	Posted - 2008.10.17 06:41:00 - [66] Originally by: Lando Paladin Originally by: Piper Halliwell stuff ok, let me get this straight. you "welcome the speed nerf because freighters in high sec will be easier of targets". yes, those cheeky nano freighters. a hundred million ton flying brick literally CANING IT along so fast at a mind boggling 100m/s your bullets just can't catch up!!! I mean us indy pilots are literally THROWING OUR RATTLES OUT OF THE PRAM at the future inability to nano-fit the badger. /Off Topic: Just wanted to say thanks for this. Funniest zinger I've read all day, brought tears to my eyes. Truth articulated with humour. /On Topic: I think industrialists sorely needed this lovin'. While I don't do it myself, I'd certainly not begrudge an expansion that makes the game more enjoyable for those who work hard so I can mission / pew pew. Good onya, CCP. Brunette By Birth...........Blonde By Nature. ------------------------------------------------ "Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell." "No tears, please; it's a waste of good suffering."
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.10.17 06:57:00 - [67] Originally by: Margot Fortain Perhaps you are too accustomed to being spoilt by regular free expansions aimed at you that you have forgotten how to share? I understand, I realy do, my children often have to readust after visiting thier grandparents, takes some time for them to remember the planet does not revolve around them Madam, That is just an awesome response. As the father of twin boys myself with a Grandmother that spoils them rotten this statement just rings so true it's scary and funny all at the same time. Reminds me of an incident last night where an alliance member entered local and asked if anyone was ratting. 2 people replied in the affirmative (system has 16 or so belts), one of them being me, he then exclaimed about not being able to find a system that wasn't "reserved". This struck me as quite odd and I replied to the effect that "reserving" a system for yourself to rat in was for the people that never learned to play nice and share with the other children when they were younger. Anyway, thanks for the laugh Cheers
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:03:00 - [68] Originally by: Eran Laude Call me Ishmael, Orca-hunter. HAHA !! Someone email Lisento Slaven to tell him that SPACE WHALES are being added to the game at last !!!
DjLowballer Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:08:00 - [69] Ummm I still don¦t understand why I am a carebear. I mine in 0.0 and haul stuff to empire. Thats game enough in itself. How is escaping people shooting at you worse than shooting at people who are afk and can¦t shoot back at you? Furthermore, why is carebear a dirty word? Carebears work hard to make the world a better place for everyone. I mean read this: Originally by: wikipedia Friend Bear is a kind and friendly bear who shows what it means to be a good friend. She is orange with two intertwined smiling flowers on her tummy. Showing what it means to be a good friend? Smiling tummy flowers? I for one would love to have them come down from their big happy cloud fortress more often.
MrChook Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:11:00 - [70] I don't like the word "carebear". I much prefer to be called a Womble.

Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:54:00 - [71] Originally by: CHAOS100 I don't really care about new pvp 'features'. I just want new (pvp) ships that are worth flying. Normally CCP implements some change that adds more months to skill training. Eff that, fix the ones already in the game first. Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today!!!
ThaDollaGenerale The Priory	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:12:00 - [72] I'm a pvper but without the indie pukes we wouldn't have anything to pvp with. Sometimes PvP needs to take a backseat.
Darken Two Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:27:00 - [73] Originally by: Piper Halliwell Originally by: Makhan Edited by: Makhan on 16/10/2008 16:56:06 Bugger off, PvP has accounted for 90% of the previous expansions, it's more than time we had industry improvements. Of those 90% "expansions" included hundreds of nerfs to protect you carebears in your little sandbox. I for one welcome the speed nerf so you lazy Industrialist that autopilot your freighters in high sec will be that much easier of targets!! Yes it is still possible to kill you lazy **s. I think it is funny that all the carebear tears end up coming back to haunt them. The very thing they whine for ends up biting them in the ing as....can you guys say gate guns. Do you actually play eve? Your post makes no sense........Nano Freighters??? Originally by:** Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Aliedora	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:31:00 - [74] BLUUUUUBIEEEEES!
Metal Monster	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:32:00 - [75] Omg..... One expansion for pve and you cry.... With no pve... there is no pvp, get it ? If you dont i cant help you.
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:37:00 - [76] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. Those ships and modules you fly with don't come under a Christmas tree in stockings, industry is a major part of the game because without industry you have nothing to fly. The "carebear" side of EVE has been long neglected and has needed a major spice up. I got nothing out of FW but there are indirect benefits of an expansion. EVE expansions are largely just content upgrades, there is typically not a whole lot of content in them and even though they are free, I'd rather pay to have a good deal of content added rather than paying nothing but getting very little.
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:57:00 - [77] Couple of things i'd like to say here: 1. To all the carebears in this thread that keep saying industry is PvP as well: it's not. By PvP people in eve mean combat. It's only with the recent burst of more bears joining EVE that they have started twisting this word to fit their own actions. In the future instead of saying PvP, please say tradecombat or industrialwars. Before this first point gets smacked: I'm not saying the concept PvP isn't industry, im saying in eve people mean combat, eg shooting ships. Otherwise you can claim everything in eve is pvp. Like jumping your shuttle into Jita is PvP, cus you're basically generating more lag preventing people from fighting efficiently bla bla. 2. I'm not against an industrial patch. They deserve some love as well. What i am against is the fact that it is mostly a bearpatch meaning it contains hardly any stuff that's gonna drive industrialists to venture into more dangerous space or actions. All this patch is gonna do is make high sec bearing more appealing with brighter newer features. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:07:00 - [78] Originally by: Mostly Amazing 1. To all the carebears in this thread that keep saying industry is PvP as well: it's not. By PvP people in eve mean combat. This is incorrect. In ≡v≡ PvP means player versus player, and can be done in a number of ways. Quote: Otherwise you can claim everything in eve is pvp. Guess what? Everything in ≡v≡ is PvP (except maybe missions, but they have some PvP elements thrown in too). That's what makes ≡v≡ a full-PvP game.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Mostly Amazing 1. To all the carebears in this thread that keep saying industry is PvP as well: it's not. By PvP people in eve mean combat. This is incorrect. In ≡v≡ PvP means player versus player, and can be done in a number of ways. Quote: Otherwise you can claim everything in eve is pvp. Guess what? Everything in ≡v≡ is PvP (except maybe missions, but they have some PvP elements thrown in too). That's what makes ≡v≡ a full-PvP game. This.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:13:00 - [80] <3 these threads every 6 months. __________________

Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:15:00 - [81] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Mostly Amazing 1. To all the carebears in this thread that keep saying industry is PvP as well: it's not. By PvP people in eve mean combat. This is incorrect. In ≡v≡ PvP means player versus player, and can be done in a number of ways. Quote: Otherwise you can claim everything in eve is pvp. Guess what? Everything in ≡v≡ is PvP (except maybe missions, but they have some PvP elements thrown in too). That's what makes ≡v≡ a full-PvP game. Reread my post.I didn't say industry isn't PvP. I'm saying it is, because you can consider nearly every action in EVE as PvP since it will have an effect on other players. But in EVE when people talk about PvP, they mean combat. This is the case in pretty much every mmo. Bears are using the term pvp everywhere now to justify their career as being pvp as well. When people say they are "going to pvp a bit", most people assume combat, and not docking in a station and changing your buy orders. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:17:00 - [82] Originally by: Kappas. <3 these threads every 6 months. They are truely amazing indeed. Remember when CCP rolled our Emperyan age? "OHNOES IT'S A CAREBEAR EXPANSION"
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Mostly Amazing Reread my post.I didn't say industry isn't PvP. Ehm… lessehere: Originally by: Mostly Amazing To all the carebears in this thread that keep saying industry is PvP as well: it's not. …yes you did. Quote: But in EVE when people talk about PvP, they mean combat. This is the case in pretty much every mmo. It may be the case in pretty much every MMO, but not in ≡v≡. That's what makes it different.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:38:00 - [84] Originally by: Mostly Amazing Originally by: Tippia ... Reread my post.I didn't say industry isn't PvP. I'm saying it is, because you can consider nearly every action in EVE as PvP since it will have an effect on other players. But in EVE when people talk about PvP, they mean combat. This is the case in pretty much every mmo. Bears are using the term pvp everywhere now to justify their career as being pvp as well. When people say they are "going to pvp a bit", most people assume combat, and not docking in a station and changing your buy orders. So "bears" are not "people"? Right, somebody call the loony bin for this one. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:39:00 - [85] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Mostly Amazing To all the carebears in this thread that keep saying industry is PvP as well: it's not. àyes you did. It's called reading an entire post. If you look at the paragraph below it you'll see I am talking about the 'word' PvP as it's used in EVE and not the concept. Learn to read or stop posting. Originally by: Tippia Quote: But in EVE when people talk about PvP, they mean combat. This is the case in pretty much every mmo. It may be the case in pretty much every MMO, but not in ≡v≡. That's what makes it different. It's exactly the same in EVE. You bears are just trying to call your own career PvP to justify it as 'combat', which its not, because all you do is mine roids, dock, and make sell orders with hardly any interaction with the rest of EVE eating up precious bandwidth causing lag :) Again, learn to read or stop posting. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:43:00 - [86] Risin' up, back in the space Did my time, took my chances Went the distance, now I'm back in my ship Just a bear and his will to survive So many times, it happens too fast You loose your ship without glory Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past You must grind just to keep them alive
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Mostly Amazing It's exactly the same in EVE. You bears are just trying to call your own career PvP to justify it as 'combat', which its not, because all you do is mine roids, dock, and make sell orders with hardly any interaction with the rest of EVE eating up precious bandwidth causing lag :) Again, learn to read or stop posting. Do you know, i don't think i've ever had lag mining or trading. On the otherhand, i experience lots of it pvping. If anything it's the pvpers who should leave, as they clearly cause the most lag
Kransthow The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.17 10:42:00 - [88] Edited by: Kransthow on 17/10/2008 10:44:34 Carebear: AHHH PVP IS EVIL MAKE IT GO AWAY. Industrialist: War is good for business, and business is good. Pvper: Killing you is a good enough reason for killing you. Remember the difference and you are guranteed to never make a post as fail as the op. Terms and conditions apply, consult your doctor beforehand
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.10.17 10:44:00 - [89] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 17/10/2008 10:44:14 Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. lol PvP tears. PvP is dependant of carebears, or rhater, industrialists. And most folk actually do both. So go whine in you corner now :P
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.17 10:58:00 - [90] Originally by: Mostly Amazing It's called reading an entire post. If you look at the paragraph below it you'll see I am talking about the 'word' PvP as it's used in EVE and not the concept. You see, I did, and it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. PvP in ≡v≡ extends to more than blowing stuff up, even in every-day, non-conceptual, "just as a word" use. Quote: It's exactly the same in EVE. You bears are just trying to call your own career PvP to justify it as 'combat', which its not …and you would know this if you actually played the game and looked at the conversations going on (which, incidentally, would allow you to avoid making as uninformed statemens as the in that last quote). No, the bears do not justify their careers as combat. Neither do the industrialists or the traders. The latter two, however, do call their activities PvP (which is not the same thing as combat). So I think I'll fall back on a good old tu quoque: how about if you play the game, or otherwise STFU and stop posting.

daisy dook	Posted - 2008.10.17 11:07:00 - [91] Originally by: MrChook I don't like the word "carebear". I much prefer to be called a Womble. I want to reserve that for (ninja) salvagers. 'making good use of the things that we find, the things that the everyday carebear leave behind...'
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.17 11:12:00 - [92] There's nothing ninja about them My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2008.10.17 11:17:00 - [93] Do PVPer tears refine for anything worth while ?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.17 11:19:00 - [94] Originally by: OneSock Do PVPer tears refine for anything worth while ? Your salvaging attempt on [PVPer Tears] produced a [PVE alt] My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.17 11:28:00 - [95] lol at all the wannabe fps pvp players who think carebear = industrialist tbh. Op gets points for the funny title but loses them in drivel post. The only thing thats "carebear" about this patch is the Orca being a hi-sec cap ship, and we have already had those for ages in the form of freighters and no one cried about it.
Aliedora	Posted - 2008.10.17 11:45:00 - [96] Originally by: Doddy lol at all the wannabe fps pvp players who think carebear = industrialist tbh. Op gets points for the funny title but loses them in drivel post. The only thing thats "carebear" about this patch is the Orca being a hi-sec cap ship, and we have already had those for ages in the form of freighters and no one cried about it. heeey now, for all you know, I am just some random troll alt trying to provoke carebears into whining about pvp'ers whining about carebears. something like that... oh, and btw IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:04:00 - [97] Meh, last expansion had nothing for non pirates/RPers. This is not part of my sig. ...Or is it?
Korizan	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:05:00 - [98] Edited by: Korizan on 17/10/2008 12:05:17 PvPr's And Industrialists a like have been asking for a way to limit who buys from them and know who they are buying from. And set pricing according to standings. Now CCP is going to give that to you. IF you can't see how this can be benefit to everyone involved. Well your loss.
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:10:00 - [99] Jeez, I have been playing this game for some time now and still I haven't seen a perfect synopsis as what a Carbear actually is. Seems we have 150,000 active players and 150,000 different point of vieuws about what a Carebear is and isn't. So guess what. Let's for once and for all define what a Carebear is.
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Killer Gandry Jeez, I have been playing this game for some time now and still I haven't seen a perfect synopsis as what a Carbear actually is. Seems we have 150,000 active players and 150,000 different point of vieuws about what a Carebear is and isn't. So guess what. Let's for once and for all define what a Carebear is. Someone who plays the game differently from how people would like them to. This is not part of my sig. ...Or is it?

BATMorpheous Caldari BAT.EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:35:00 - [101] ive read most of the comments in this thread i have laughed at some laughed with some and even shook my head at a few but one thing everyone needs to realise we are the player base no matter how we choose to play eve from the pirates to the pvp'ers from the industrialists to the mission runners we are all part of a community that makes eve what it is none of the afore mentioned groups would exist without the other when u first started eve and couldnt use t2 what did you use?...named equip?...thank the mission runners..when u trained and was able to use t2 who do you thank for those items?....indutrialists ...the ships you have flown thank the miners/industrialists.....your first experience of low sec getting pirated by a mean guy who as well as releiving you of isk or your ship provided u with a feel of dread and realism in the low sec areas...thank the pirates......and last but not least thank ccp for providing the game..the servers...the constant updates to keep the game fresh...thank them for the 24 hour monitoring of the server we are all apart of something special each person plays his own role enjoy it and relish it
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.17 13:21:00 - [102] I'm looking forward to this expansion, as someone who has fingers in many pies (PVP focus, trade and invention alt). But lets stop this NONSENSE about "there's never been an industrial expansion before" and "all previous expansions have been combat/PVP focus". Its utterly utterly utterly untrue. EXODUS: POS. This was a huge huge overhaul, meaning vastly complicated industrial webs as people moon mined, reacted, advanced reacted, then built T2 components. Do any of you realise before this T2 components just dropped from agents? IT was this step that made T2 completely player made, as well as myriad in complexity from raw-->finished product. Exodus also added mining barges and changed resource gathering forever, with the addition of variant ore types. COLD WAR: Capital ships + Freighters. Another massive change for the industrialist,, giving them a huge ability to move items, plus the new capital component and capital ship BPOs to buy, setting up production on a scale never seen before. Also COSMOS (rare items requiring adv. skills to build) and Outposts, again, a construction on a scale that industrialists hadn't ever seen before. Oh, and lots of new T2 to build. RED MOON RISING: I guess you lot have already forgotten the old science and industry UI. Spoilt brats the lot of you - it was dreadful compared to the current one, and things like remote use did not exist. RMR brought the new UI (and a big comedy issue where major T2 producers like NAGA thought it worked like the old one, and put batches of 300 HACs on and the queues built up for weeks). Not to mention Exhumers, mining upgrades, T2 strips and crystals, plus 20 new t2 ships and all the t2 ammo to make? REVELATIONS. This is the biggie. INVENTION AND RIGS. Two areas that are now abo**ely huge parts of the EVE economy, throwing open the doors of T2 production to all (biggest change ever, tbh) plus the entirely new rig and rig component economy. Plus new bs/bc to build, GAS MINING and boosters, contracts (creating an actually functional second market instead of the shit that was escrow). Rev 2: This is where it gets a bit worse: just outpost upgrades (not really well used), exploration improvements (not really relevant to a lot of indy, although it is the source for data interfaces, hidden belts, and so on) and sov changes for more logistics e.g. jump bridges. Rorqual was in here somewhere though! Trinity: new T2, and as its the first since invention, it really was huge for industrialists, as there was a race to invent it first, and on a scale never seen before. Jump freighters and T2 bs were a field day for those into invention and production. EA: ** all. So, bullshit. Almost every expansion has been laden with industrial content, and notice that those that didnt (Rev 2 and EA) didnt have much content to appeal to a wide player base either, but were very focussed. I'm all for new indy stuff in Quantum Rise - rumours of Tech 3, manufacturable implants, and the Orca, they abound. But I'd rather it was an expansion full of stuff for EVERYONE, like Rev 1 or RMR. And lts get over this "first ever indy expansion!" stuff. Nothing they have announced has come even close to the indy improvements in Exodus, RMR or Rev 1. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.10.17 13:57:00 - [103] Originally by: El Yatta I'm all for new indy stuff in Quantum Rise - rumours of Tech 3, manufacturable implants, and the Orca, they abound. But I'd rather it was an expansion full of stuff for EVERYONE, like Rev 1 or RMR. And lts get over this "first ever indy expansion!" stuff. Nothing they have announced has come even close to the indy improvements in Exodus, RMR or Rev 1. Well put. I was wondering how long it would be before people started pointing out that the announced industrial aspects of this expansion are significantly less 'expanding' then the industry stuff in other broad-expansions. I wonder if the real pattern here is when CCP announces an expansion focusing on a particular group (instead of the whole playerbase) it ends up being kinda lame, even to the group that it was designed to help (look at EA)
SuckySycky5dolla	Posted - 2008.10.17 15:29:00 - [104] What is the purpose of this thread other than your attempt to promote your ego as the bad-ass of pvp?
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.10.17 15:38:00 - [105] Edited by: Vasili vonHolst on 17/10/2008 15:38:42 Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: Eran Laude Call me Ishmael, Orca-hunter. HAHA !! Someone email Lisento Slaven to tell him that SPACE WHALES are being added to the game at last !!! Phhuck1n Space whales??? Awesome, I love Space Whales!!! Also some sporadic rocket otters would be nice. --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community--->M1tn4L?
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.17 16:10:00 - [106] dunno a single player can do more damage to an entire allaince getting access to everything because hes an industrialist than any other pilot in any ohter ship in any ohter peice of equipment. Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today!!!
Daitetsu Minase	Posted - 2008.10.17 16:54:00 - [107] Honestly, playing both industrial stuff and PVP stuff when it suits me... this expansion will be great. Hopefully it will make low-sec mining less dull, or at least more productive than just low-sec ratting.
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:52:00 - [108] whats funny about this thread is obviously you idiots don't even know what a carebear is. welcome to the WoW generation, now die Please, jump into traffic
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:00:00 - [109] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument. No. It's got a significant combat redesign, and ... oh wait, economy is vitally important to anyone who has a brain, too. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Blastil	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:13:00 - [110] I survive off PVP, and I don't ****ing care that they made a patch for Carebears. Sometimes carebears play the game too. Sometimes they come into lowsec, and lose CNR's and Freighters on their way to/from Jita, and I enjoy that.

Callib Gor'Karrithe Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.17 19:05:00 - [111] ...you need industrialists to build the stuff you use to kill. You make the industrialists happy, and make their process of building and selling stuff a little faster (perhaps even... easier) then prices are likely to drop. Thus, the affects on the PVPers can be seen. Am I the only one who notices this corelation?
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.10.17 19:09:00 - [112] Edited by: Alora Venoda on 17/10/2008 19:13:24 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=carebear see definitions 3 and 4... There is such a thing as carebears who attack other players (aka "gank-bears"), and also non-combat players that are the farthest thing from being carebears. Just because we don't like to fight does NOT mean we are cowards that don't take any risks. If a jock beats up a scientist and calls him weak because he has more brains than brawn, does that mean the scientist is a "wimp" or "wuss"? Would he be a coward for trying to run away from a fight he cannot possibly win? Of course not, it just means the jock is physically stronger than him. And that's all. Non-combat players just PVP in a different way: either by finding ways to survive it like with WCS, good scouting, etc; or in a totally different arena such as "market PVP" or even scamming. Running logistics for a lowsec or 0.0 operation is hardly a "carebear" activity, it just has different objectives than simply blowing up bad guys. I believe the term "carebear" really applies to risk-taking and competition. If you avoid competition and risk in any form, then you are a cearbear. ie- "solo hi-sec mission farmer" or even "ganking noobs". no actual risk or competition. but still, they serve a purpose: they make nice targets, and maybe even customers. think about it... what if everyone played the market to make the most ISK? or what if everyone was ready for a fight anytime and anyplace? hmmm, actually that kind of sounds a lot like 0.0 space. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Aliedora	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:46:00 - [113] Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no carebear look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake the JihadSwarm! (once more ^^)
Complete Tart Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:00:00 - [114] Personally I find the derogatory use of 'carebear' (as in, you're somehow tougher/better than 'them') in a nerdy spaceship game absolutely hilarious
Sarciss Black Legion Command	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:11:00 - [115] Originally by: Furb Killer One single expansion for industrialists and the wannabe pvp'ers are all crying... ------------- Descend, bold traveller, and attain the centre of the Earth.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:20:00 - [116] As others have pointed out industrialist in EVE != carebear. Far from so. I would define a carebear in EVE as a 23/7 mission runner. Who plays only to deck out his CNR with faction gear. ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:34:00 - [117] Originally by: Aliedora Announcing EVE Online: Carebear Rise is it just me, but is this exansion completely useless for everyone who is NOT a carebear? weapon grouping doesn't count, it's too small of a feature to consider a serious argument.
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:52:00 - [118] Edited by: Mostly Amazing on 19/10/2008 11:52:54 Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor As others have pointed out industrialist in EVE != carebear. Far from so. I would define a carebear in EVE as a 23/7 mission runner. Who plays only to deck out his CNR with faction gear. Ah so people that undock to do missions are carebears, but people that undock to mine are PvPers. Stop trying to justify your bearing careers as being Player versus Player. Everything in EVE can be considdered PvP, even posting on the forums is PvP. You people are calling it PvP because it involves player interaction, like in every MMO. Just accept it, you are a bear :) -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing


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