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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:33:00 -
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Besides the obvious stuff like "violencing your boat" or other pew pew.
For instance, I have seen people react quite harshly to:
- Someone salvaging all the wrecks in the belt they're mining in without asking
- Simply being locked up by someone who isn't a war target or flashy
- Popping into their mission dead space (without doing anything else)
- Mining from the same roid they are
- Jumping in on some conversation that is going on in local channel
- Jumping in on some fight as an unrelated third party
I find it somewhat amusing what people get bent out of shape about. The grey areas of what is apparently expected behavior by some, but obviously not by others.
For instance, I've come across people trying to probe down an exploration site and I've started my own scanning (after them), found the site and cleared it before they get to it. Does that make me "rude"?
It's obviously a subjective topic. But it is sort of interesting how people have wildly differing opinions on certain actions in this competitive game.
So what sort of things gets your hackles up? Or what have you done that has made someone else mad when you weren't expecting it?
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Feriluce
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:36:00 -
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I dont like when the ships stare at me... -mumbles-
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:39:00 -
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Um jumping on a conversation could be considered rude walking down the street. Why would the game be different?
Everything else you say is pretty much a waste because manners dont really apply in non-structured war/robbery/pvp etc - just like in IRL.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
Um jumping on a conversation could be considered rude walking down the street. Why would the game be different?
Because it's being conducted in the Local channel to which everyone in system has to see? So that in itself could be considered rude.
I mean if you have the nerve to have some long drawn out (and often idiotic) conversation on whether religion has any place in government in a public channel, do you have a leg to stand on when some third party interjects a point? Take the whole bloody thing to a private chat. Just an example.
Not that it matters. Obviously you and I have differing expectations of what is polite or not in that particular context. Which was the point of the thread.
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Feilamya
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Everything else you say is pretty much a waste because manners dont really apply in non-structured war/robbery/pvp etc - just like in IRL.
"Manners" (whatever people think these are) matter a lot to some people. And if you think it matters only to carebears, try stealing loot from a gatecamp, jumping a 1vs1, pulling off a logonski and whatever your imagination can come up with.
Maybe it doesn't matter to an independent observer whether an action was "rude" or not, and you won't be banhammered by CCP for (most) rude actions, but to the ones involved it can be quite serious business (or lulz, depending on who you ask).
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Cincannatus
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:56:00 -
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I'd consider it quite rude if a pirate swears at ransom point.
Weirdly enough, they seem oddly rather civil at that point. Probably because if they'd say 'lol noob', they wouldn't be gettin any iskies.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.19 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cincannatus
I'd consider it quite rude if a pirate swears at ransom point.
Weirdly enough, they seem oddly rather civil at that point. Probably because if they'd say 'lol noob', they wouldn't be gettin any iskies.
Yeah, that is traditionally a rather ironic and quite funny statistic. Pirates, in general, often are quite a bit more civil than their victims are.
What makes it even better is reflecting on that point whenever someone tries to throw the "psychotic sociopath" attribute towards the players behind the pirate characters.
I don't know. I chalk all that up to people strongly avoiding competition and then finding themselves forced into it and losing. Their mindset is wrong from the get go. Kind of like playing a game of tennis with the expectation that your opponent will score no points then flipping out when they do. Just a silly mindset to be in in the first place.
Of course that could be pointed at CCP falling down in the expectation management department and continuing to "get it wrong" with the buffing of concord and gateguns, etc. But that's spinning off on a different tangent.
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.10.19 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
- Someone salvaging all the wrecks in the belt they're mining in without asking
- Someone walking along the street picking up trash and empty bottles. They are so rude! Just because a bottle is lying in the gutter doesn't mean I was finished with it!
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.19 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Roy Batty68
- Someone salvaging all the wrecks in the belt they're mining in without asking
- Someone walking along the street picking up trash and empty bottles. They are so rude! Just because a bottle is lying in the gutter doesn't mean I was finished with it!
Exactly. I have the same outlook on it as you apparently. But I guarantee you it wouldn't be hard to find someone in game that would pitch a fit if you came along and salvaged all his wrecks sitting around his hulk.
And btw, these are mostly hisec topics really. Land of weird expectations...
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Neth'Rae
Gallente
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.19 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Um jumping on a conversation could be considered rude walking down the street. Why would the game be different?
As pointed out below, if they were arguing so that everyone in the entire street could hear it, it would be alot different..
Which is the case with local in-game.
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sirus rendition
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Posted - 2008.10.19 15:02:00 -
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well i hear, wen ambulation comes out u can get a blowjob from a female charater!!!!
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Luther Gorn
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Posted - 2008.10.19 15:02:00 -
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I dunno, when I play EVE i try to throw RL notions of "rude" and "fair" out the game window. After all, EVE is not fair. Sure, it's annoying when you try to mine and someone literally is shoving their BS up my Reteriver's exhaust pipes, but he can do it, as much as I can tell him - you don't leave, Im going to kill you the next time I see you unawares.
Someone salvages your mission wrecks - salvage your own stuff faster.
I don't know about you, but leaving the RL morality notions at the login screen makes the game more enjoyable for me, than worrying that people are rude. |
MenanceWhite
Amarr
Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.19 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: MenanceWhite on 19/10/2008 15:03:49
None at all. It's boring untill someone actually is "rude" to the point of harrasment in wich you can start to petition them, then it gets hilarious.
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.19 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: sirus rendition
ambulation
Your post was rather trollish, but you do raise (probably accidently) another interesting context where these sorts of funny conflicts in expectations are likely to be seen.
It has been said by devs that:
- Ambulation will not have collision detection
- Two characters, when moved near to each other, will appear to dodge out of each other's way
Now imagine RPplayerA and RPplayerB are standing near the jukebox in Roy's Jita Juicy Bar having a very serious RP stare down with each other.
Along comes LoLRPplayerC and moves his avatar right on the very spot that one of the serious RP guys is standing causing both of their avatars to freeze in the Matrix-esk "oop, dodging out of the way" position.
Now technically, PlayerC has done nothing wrong. He's simply enjoying the funky environs that Roy's Jita Juicy Bar has to offer, just like all the other patrons (who will poor unchallenged isk into my coffers, thx much).
However, the RP guys are likely to get a bit annoyed. PlayerC has basically interupted their serious RP and degraded their immersion by making their avatars do stupid looking things.
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KayaYautja
Caldari
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:23:00 -
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Self Destructing after losing an agreed upon 1vs1. Had a NavyThron do that to me when I beat him in a Drake. Was not a happy chappy
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:30:00 -
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Sat outside of station and an alliance member decided to test out his new set-up on me without even asking. Long time ago and he quickly stopped when I informed him of how rude it was of him, never did it again. My language at that time may also be considered rude.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:33:00 -
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Only one of the list i consider rude is mining the same roid as me.
Dunno why, it just bugs me.
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:47:00 -
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The rudest form of EvE possible is known as the LOGOFFSKI.
It is by this method even the weakest, unprepared players in EvE escape
their destiny outside of their pods.
If your not prepared to lose your ship, stay in hisec hugging stations.
Or play WoW...
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This is why some people appear intelligent
until they speak'
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The Geoman
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:51:00 -
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People that bump your ship (and going out of their way to do so), and then fly off without saying a word.
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steveid
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:58:00 -
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 attacking my ceptor with your ceptor and then decloaking anything tbh and killing me.
Setting your CSPA charge at anything other than zero
Leading a pvp fleet in a t1 cruiser while shouting for hac's and battleships
Smacktalking when you win the fight. If you lost then go ahead if you have to but when you win? Just weak.
Podding people you aren't at war with. You dont make any money outa it, hell you dont even get many points on the kb. At least TRY and ransom.
Dishonoring 1 on 1's. I love to fly and fight solo and have had more than one 1 on 1 dishonored. Never died to this but i've had one guy run and another use a logistics to rep himself. Weak.
Anyone who's FC talking shit to their fleet. I see this a lot in FW but thankfully not from my corp. If you dont want people in your fleet then kick them but acting like your uber and are teaching people makes you look a tard. 9 times out of 10 they arn't uber and if they ever had the balls to leave the fleet and fight solo they would die horribly.
selling shuttles for 80 billion or something stupid. Its dumb, just dont do it and who for gods sake would fall for it?
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CyanideNGK
Gallente
Leader Dogs For The Blind
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:58:00 -
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People who attack me only to dock when the fight goes my way...
*mumbles*blue balling...*mumbles...*
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:00:00 -
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You being online at the same time as I am.
You being achura.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 19/10/2008 17:12:41
Originally by: Drima Veeshaub
You being achura.
We can't all be Deteis prettyboys, now can we
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
nah, that is the true badge of a forum warrior, to draw the humorous ire of the devs
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Sharingla
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:16:00 -
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The only thing I considder rude is peoples inability to
admit their mistakes and blame you after they gave you
the chance to blow them up in an industrial or just basicly
insulting you because they acted first and thoght about it later.
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Banana Torres
Look Ma I did a Test
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:18:00 -
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I hate it when somebody fires a missile at me. It is just so rude, treating me just like an NPC.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:26:00 -
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I hate it when some inconsiderate missioner starts destroying MY wrecks that I spent time and effort finding and salvaging. They should get CONCORDed tbh
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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wdwjhdw
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: wdwjhdw on 19/10/2008 17:28:41
Edited by: wdwjhdw on 19/10/2008 17:27:43
Originally by: Cincannatus
Kind of like playing a game of tennis with the expectation that your opponent will score no points then flipping out when they do.
Not a very good analogy. Both players come to the match knowing they are going to be "fighting" the other player.
How about the analogy of me walking down the street minding my own business, and someone Ive never seen before comes up and shoots me for either some loose change I might be carrying, or for fun.
Now this might be a very high crime rate street, and the murderer might say "Well if you didnt want to be killed, you should have gone and walked down WOW street. You knew what you were getting into when you came to EVE street." Of course that wouldnt work very well in a RL court no matter how many thugs on EVE street agreed with it.
Anyway without getting too deep into it, basing your argument on (poor) analogies doesnt always work.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:30:00 -
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when you interrupt a fight.
For example, I am in an arbitrator. a thorax takes from my can, I shoot him, and start winning. Then a third guy in an augorer starts RRing him, and the thorax docks. Then I shoot the augorer, it docks. Then the augorer pilot undocks in a raven and blows you up.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Epegi Givo on 19/10/2008 17:30:43
Double-post
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.19 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
I hate it when somebody fires a missile at me. It is just so rude, treating me just like an NPC.
And if they pop you with said missiles? Is that like Sepuku-inducing levels of rude?
Originally by: wdwjhdw
Edited by: wdwjhdw on 19/10/2008 17:28:41
Edited by: wdwjhdw on 19/10/2008 17:27:43
Originally by: Cincannatus
Kind of like playing a game of tennis with the expectation that your opponent will score no points then flipping out when they do.
Not a very good analogy. Both players come to the match knowing they are going to be "fighting" the other player.
How about the analogy of me walking down the street minding my own business, and someone Ive never seen before comes up and shoots me for either some loose change I might be carrying, or for fun.
Now this might be a very high crime rate street, and the murderer might say "Well if you didnt want to be killed, you should have gone and walked down WOW street. You knew what you were getting into when you came to EVE street." Of course that wouldnt work very well in a RL court no matter how many thugs on EVE street agreed with it.
Anyway without getting too deep into it, basing your argument on (poor) analogies doesnt always work.
Except this is Eve street, and you should have known better. Poor analogies or not, it's all a matter of expectations and imo it's generally the one doing the *****ing who had them wrong at the outset.
/shrug
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