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Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:21:00 -
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Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Too bad you don't know anything about me and how I got slowly tortured by CCP for months in the past already nor that the cases I bring in have precise names and situations behind them (and yes, I contacted the customer support with no results ever). For once I find a CCP employee who is willing to reply, to prove he's alive and breathing and so I ask him what I can. If all the CCP employees were like CCP Sreegs I would never have posted anything.
All we know is that you have been whining incessantly asking for something you have been told - repeatedly - in this thread that you are not going to get. PAN
it's actually miscommunication but it's entertaining
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Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:27:00 -
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Artyom Hunter wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nemesis Factor wrote:I tend to really lose faith in humanity when the most forum active Dev in CCP catches so much **** from players.
I find it really hard to grasp why anyone would be made nervous by that blog. Have some faith that they are trying to catch bots, not harass players. If you are nervous based simply on reading that blog, your probably doing something shady.
Kudos to the security team, BTW. You too would get nervous if suddenly what you are playing EvE for since years, suddenly became a suspicious activity to be watched closely. Read my signature: Collateral holding / 3rd party service => have to swap tens of billions worth of stuff all the time. Being a trusted collateral holder / 3rd party service in EvE is extremely hard as it involves total trust. Suddenly the hardest achievement in EvE - takes years to become trusted to hold Titans on behalf of 3rd parties - becomes a potential banhammer trigger. Investing => again, something done for years. Putting tens of billions in the hands of other players *in EvE none the less* with the hope to see them back after 1+ months. Risky enough? No, now the likes of you consider it "something shady". Charity => again, something done for enough time to be showcased at Fanfest 2011. Yet, how do I choose how to NOT get a donation off a RMTer and be royally screwed over? Now, all of the above would not be an issue if CCP - like most other MMO companies - would reply to petitions within 1 day. But no, they take up to 3 weeks and then you lose all your credibility you patiently earned in game, you lose all your POS jobs, you lose the POS as well (as it'll go offline) and you will NOT be reimbursed. Also, as posted everywhere time after time, there's NO sanctioned way to prove CCP you were not involved in something, therefore bar few exceptions you'll never get cleared your ban. You'll go from trusted service to purple letter felon with no recourse, no hope, no coming back. Actually, as much as I dislike RMTers, This guy has a point. In my early EVE days i'd often run around in Couster helping random noobs by doing l3 Missions with them and giving them ISK so that they might actually get the fullgame, especially if I knew them IRL (So I'd eventually have more people to shoot at). Sure i'd only give them like 10m or so each to get them their first cruiser, but if charity makes me an evil RMTing scum bucket then it might be a bit too harsh. Furthermore, with ingame PLEX prices costing around 500m a pop, It is difficult for PLEX reliant players to get back on their feet after extende periods away from the game, and may need loans from Corpmates because they don't have the means to get 500m isk before their account runs out. E.G Someone a know IRL was away from the game for about a month because he was hospitalized for a bone infection, and he has been having a little bit of trouble with overnight checkups and what not reducing the amount of time he has had to make money for PLEX. He is sometimes forced to take loans from corpmates/me to help his accounts get going (which is always paysback mind you). So how will the system/ security be able to tell between a 500m PLEX loan and a 500m RMT transaction?
A transaction is not just a transaction.. it is a transaction with a Known RMTer then the banning begins.. (I believe) The reason there has been a delay RMT trading bans was to track the web of people involved from the few RMT people who were found.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1078
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:41:00 -
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Keep up the good work.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
499
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:51:00 -
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Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote: All we know is that you have been whining incessantly asking for something you have been told - repeatedly - in this thread that you are not going to get.
See I am but an internet spaceships player but I took extreme measures to safeguard my charity donors so that their donations would not be totally lost even if I die in RL, even if multiple people scammed.
I am caring *that much* for my customers even if they are but other internet anonymous. I'd wish to see some safeguards and pre-emptive tools being given to actual real customers (us the players) so that we can take a CCP certified bookkeeping with proof CCP will readily accept (and not depending on weather and random GM humor). Not to be hostage of whatever random event could happen.
Example:
Gevlin wrote: A transaction is not just a transaction.. it is a transaction with a Known RMTer then the banning begins.. (I believe) The reason there has been a delay RMT trading bans was to track the web of people involved from the few RMT people who were found.
I brought a practical case where he can have indirect transactions with unknown RTMer and get in all sorts of troubles. IF you get to talk with the correct GM and IF he feels helpful that day and IF he'll accept your book keeping records then you will be fine indeed. But the IFs are a flimsy defense. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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saiy'an
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:03:00 -
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hello i just read this devblog, am kinda confused is the only legit plex directly from CCP, does this mean the ones you can buy on the market (ingame) is illegal since the sellers may have bought them with RMT isk.
how are we to know if the plex we are buying from this market is legal? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2041
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:09:00 -
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saiy'an wrote:hello i just read this devblog, am kinda confused is the only legit plex directly from CCP, does this mean the ones you can buy on the market (ingame) is illegal since the sellers may have bought them with RMT isk.
how are we to know if the plex we are buying from this market is legal?
CCP GM who's name I can't be arsed to look up wrote: A short answer to questions about what is/isn't ok for ETC/PLEX acquisition would be:
Buying ETC from official resellers - Ok Converting an ETC to 2 PLEX - Ok Selling an ETC through the secure method - Ok Buying PLEX through Account Management - Ok Buying and Selling PLEX in game via the Market and Contracts - Ok Buying PLEX from other Websites - Not Allowed
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Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:13:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Editited out the same old drivel being repeated - again.
And still you keep on harping that CCP somehow owe it to you to offer you a check for an activity that they never sanctioned.
One of the things that people want in this game is a player driven sandbox.
Well, matey, you have it.
Just like there is no fallback, guarantee or safety net with ransoms, renting, market and contract scams, market manipulation and all the player introduced sandbox elements it's the same with loaning. While falling victim to any of these may not result in a ban they do run the risk of my work over several years of playing the game being destroyed.
And so it is with offering 3rd party services and making loans.
You added it - and by you I mean the players that introduced and then took advantage of it before you start getting pedantic on me - and it's up to you to accept the risks involved.
The answer is rather simple. If you don't want to risk being banned then don't lend money.
You lend money you accept the risk.
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saiy'an
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:17:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:saiy'an wrote:hello i just read this devblog, am kinda confused is the only legit plex directly from CCP, does this mean the ones you can buy on the market (ingame) is illegal since the sellers may have bought them with RMT isk.
how are we to know if the plex we are buying from this market is legal? CCP GM who's name I can't be arsed to look up wrote: A short answer to questions about what is/isn't ok for ETC/PLEX acquisition would be:
Buying ETC from official resellers - Ok Converting an ETC to 2 PLEX - Ok Selling an ETC through the secure method - Ok Buying PLEX through Account Management - Ok Buying and Selling PLEX in game via the Market and Contracts - Ok Buying PLEX from other Websites - Not Allowed
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:50:00 -
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Was reading through this thread and a thought occurred to me about the system possibly flagging me for this reason :
I run DED sites with a friend and if we get good loot one of us sells it on the market and then split the proceeds. Sometimes we split before we sell the loot because we know its market value and know that its a fast seller. For example in the last couple of days we have gotten two B-Type Invulnerability fields selling for around 900m on contracts atm. Split would be around 500m each because of the OPE and other stuff that drops, so basically it will be a 500m transaction appearing in my journal. Will these transactions pop up as a flashing red light on CCP Sreeg's desktop? To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1078
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:50:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
PLEX are only for snitches.
I have solid information that CCP Sunset and CCP Guard were selling RMT Quafe in fanfest. CCP Punkturis rigged the delivery courier interface with some sort of macro program and CCP Navigator was running cloaking device to keep entire project under the radar. Rumor is that CCP Soundwave was the mastermind behind this scam and that it benefited the group with tens of billions of free isk. Please take a look and don't forget to send me a plex for telling you all this!
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Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:56:00 -
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About ensuring legitimate emails can be distinguished from people trying to phish:
CCP Sreegs wrote: I'll look into this. I hadn't thought of it actually and I think it's a good idea. Unfortunately we don't own The Internet so we can't stop people from sending mails. We're working on the problem but there's no really easy solution given the technology involved.
There is a very effective and very easy way to do it. Have every player set a personal keyword on their account. Send this keyword along with every official mail:
From: eve To: player
.... stuff ....
Your personal keyword is: "Sreegs" (if you don't see your personally set keyword here, then the mail is not from us but from some baaaad guys! See this link for more information about this feature....)
...
There are basically 2 attack vectors to this: a) hack your account db where this information is stored. But then we're all ****** anyway b) hack the recipients system so you can read out a previously received official mail and get the keyword. However if you can do this, you probably can also just install a keylogger in the first place.
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Z2ZzzzZ2Z
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:04:00 -
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i'm still waiting to see the response for my post, number 325, in this thread. i'm not trying to nit-pick but i don't see why the rules/punishments not being clearly outlined bothers so few. i don't do things against the rules but if isk is loaned there is a 'slight risk' of action taken against the lender. again, isk being not returned is acceptable ... in fact kind of a duh...
will isk that has been loaned and paid back be still stripped?
will the lender's account ever be banned for a loan or are you looking to go after people with a repeated history?
if i have to worry about how i play this game in regards actions that are 100% legal in game actions(loaning a buddy money... unless the sandbox is closed....) or even starting a business doing it then it makes me not want to play.
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Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
24
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:12:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:before I moonwalk off into the sunset.
Video, or it didn't happen!
P.S. Great job on the crackdown. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3244
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:16:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:Was reading through this thread and a thought occurred to me about the system possibly flagging me for this reason :
I run DED sites with a friend and if we get good loot one of us sells it on the market and then split the proceeds. Sometimes we split before we sell the loot because we know its market value and know that its a fast seller. For example in the last couple of days we have gotten two B-Type Invulnerability fields selling for around 900m on contracts atm. Split would be around 500m each because of the OPE and other stuff that drops, so basically it will be a 500m transaction appearing in my journal. Will these transactions pop up as a flashing red light on CCP Sreeg's desktop?
If neither of you are involved in any ISk-selling activity, then it's very unlikely.
My tl;dr inferrence of Sreegs various answers is:-
Transferring 500M to a friend -> fine
Transferring 500M to a friend who, unknown to you, is involved in RMT activity -> flag
Transferring 500M to a friend who, unknown to you, is involved in RMT activity, with no obvious reason like sharing the profits of that B-type -> danger
Transferring 5,000M to a friend who, "unknown to you", is involved in RMT activity, with no obvious reason like sharing the profits of that B-type -> BAN HAMMAR!! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2087
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:55:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
PLEX are only for snitches.
I have solid information that CCP Sunset and CCP Guard were selling RMT Quafe in fanfest. CCP Punkturis rigged the delivery courier interface with some sort of macro program and CCP Navigator was running cloaking device to keep entire project under the radar. Rumor is that CCP Soundwave was the mastermind behind this scam and that it benefited the group with tens of billions of free isk. Please take a look and don't forget to send me a plex for telling you all this!
You know too much. I've dreaded this day for a long time but I always knew it would come...
Sreegs...please make it quick. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Ximena Navah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:22:00 -
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Can our overlords give us an estimate of how many RMT/Botters have been banned and how much isk has been poured down the sink?
I GÖÑ CCP |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
254
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:23:00 -
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Wait...there is a PLEX for Snitches program ?
I wonder if that can be 'gamed' FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
xxwaynoxx
The Silhouette Group
1
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:30:00 -
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we'll be watching the Elonya ice belt, our local bot paradise, to see if the numbers decrease...
And one of ours was very active in notifying CCP of activity, so some rules as to the snitching would be appreciated. ie depth of info |
Freibuis WasHere
Legion of Lost Souls The Lego Cartel
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:43:00 -
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OMG.. I cant believe I am actually mining again.. not because there are roids to mine again but because low end mins are increase in price to fast. faster then most low end players can absorb. Trit almost touching 6 isk and isotopes at almost ready to reach 1000 isk. plus the fact that plex prices are becoming more then the average player can absorb.
Cant believe this is not butter. I love the changes.. but as an industrialist.. it is also killing us slowy ... maybe in 3 months it my balance out. any way. Good to hear. great changes, keep them coming
CCP Sreegs. 2 Questions.
1: Has any one from your department consulted with the king of eve econmics CCP Dr.EyjoG about the fast pace of removing Botters (not RMT's) example: effects on market. effects on player uptake in other areas, accounts going inactive because price are getting to high fast.
2: Question about donations made to players who could be RMT/botting and we not know about it. example.. I donate from time to time small somes to Eve uni chars to help them get started and big amounts to friends (heck I feel generous from time to time). If they were later found to bot/RMT would I also be liable? would it be in my best interest now to stop giving cash to new players? If I was to donate a large sum of isk to another player/corp/aliance is there a way to check that they are not on a list of Botters/RMT's to prevent my self from being lumped accidentally in the same trash pile/
I cant belive I am actually getting excited about mining again. (/me hides under the couch away from his own sarcasm ) |
Echo Mande
24
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:55:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Remulon McNab wrote:I am curious if you guys (CCP) could make a dynamic counter thing that shows information on how many bans have been served and how much isk has been sinked. so we're able to follow this info "semi-realtime" at the other hand Sreegs well done (with the anti-RMT+BOT) and we definately sleep better at night. (Did you get Roc Wieler as personal coach ) Not sure we'd be too comfortable with something automated but we will be giving more detailed numbers. I'm going to the gym with GM Moxie, CCP Soundwave and CCP Mindstar. We're doing something called the Ultimate Anime Workout and Soundwave guarantees it's going to make me go supersaiyan.
A pity really, but understandable. On the other hand there's probably a market in allowing the peanut gallery to bet on how much ISK and how many supercaps CCP bans/eats on any given day.
Keep up the good work. Banning bots might make it possible to do mining for a nice profit and manufacturing for a bigger profit than right now.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
71
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:08:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:I wasn't going to butt in on this good discussion. But since it was requested, hi! In a few weeks, once we have more data and pretty graphs, we'll make a numbers blog. So look forward to that.
can you tell how many PLEX had ben seized ?
and as the good doctor said , there are 10k plex sitting on banned accounts already , any plans to reintroduce em ?
What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because -áWE LOVE YOU Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume! |
Echo Mande
24
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:18:00 -
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Jim Luc wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Jim Luc wrote:By the way, is there any way we can put an end to the endless "Player Transfer" phishing spam? I've been getting lots of it and forward each to [email protected] - usually it all goes to the trash anyways. I generally don't even click any links in an Eve-related email, even if it's from CCP. They're offering free time but I won't take their survey simply because I don't trust any emails from ccp or related anymore. Is there a way we can determine if an email link is authentic, and each email that's sent from CCP also be accessible via logging into our accounts without clicking through a link? It would be nice to see all CCP correspondence, even marketing & such, in our Account Settings pages. Just a thought - keep up the tremendous work Sreegs! I'll look into this. I hadn't thought of it actually and I think it's a good idea. Unfortunately we don't own The Internet so we can't stop people from sending mails. We're working on the problem but there's no really easy solution given the technology involved. Ha, yes I realized after sending that you can't control all the spam of course LOL - just that there might be some IP addresses that you could release as being on a public watchlist from known phishers. Idunno - just throwing ideas out there
Adding a section to account management for CCP's messages would probably be the most secure way to do it. Then all CCP'd have to do is put a note/page/rant there and send an email note ("We've decided to annoy you!") to direct you there. Sending an eve-mail note to the account's toons (from CCP Robocrat ?) would also be possible if not desireable.
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
67
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:20:00 -
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Chribba wrote: I also do report suspicious transfers as I don't wish to be banned myself and I do not support RMT. I do see the problems with loans that VV is talking about as that is a somewhat different thing compared to my 3rd party service.
I'd be happy to support CCP in any way I can and hope that they continue on discussing this with us should there be issues with how me and others provide services to help making it harder to RMT.
/c
I have to agree with Chribba here. But we need some input from CCP, for service providers such as Chribba and I about how we can deter RMT while protecting ourselves. Personally I'm involved in 3rd party services like Chribba and loan services like VV, so my exposure to potential bans isn't exactly comforting, especially when I simply can never know for sure where the isk comes from.
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John Frohike
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
4
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:21:00 -
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Death to Bots, death to RTM bastards! May the skys be filled with the bodies of the guilty! |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
12
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:37:00 -
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amazing how many toons are up for sale in forums |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
71
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:41:00 -
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ctx2007 wrote:amazing how many toons are up for sale in forums
thought you cant sell if flagged ?? What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because -áWE LOVE YOU Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume! |
Shanky McStabber
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:43:00 -
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I have a question for Jersey Johnson.
Is your program able to tell the difference between RMT and Isk being traded for Eve Related Services?
As per the CCP Want Ads forums:
5. Paying isk for out-of-game services that are related to EVE such as team speak servers or killboards is allowable and you should preface your thread with WTB [service]
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
141
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:43:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:thought you cant sell if flagged ??
the theory is theyre being dumped before they get negged/banned
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Chris Wheeler
Massively Motivated
1
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:48:00 -
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Allataria wrote:CCP really needs to look at the root of the issue which is making isk in game in any way is terribly boring. Ratting or mining or hauling or missioning. It doesn't matter how you make your money they are all incredibly dull. The amount of time you have to devote to turn any profit especially ratting and mining is ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that if bitters are completely removed before any changes or fixes are put into place to resolve this issue the market willsuffer. Prices will soar an the output ofitems and ships will decrease. I doubt many people realise just how much the current mlarket is dependent on botters especiallythe miners. Let me say though I am not condoning or supporting them but most of the boys are a result of the game being just so dull and repetitive in the ways we make our isk. Incursions however are a good contrast as they are fun and enjoyable in how we make our money. But the problem still is that's its hard and boring to make isk especially in low and null sec. If we could find new ways to get people to actively engage the game to make isk and make it time effective we could seriously reduce the amount of botters in the game. Banning bots wont silver the problem as to why there are bots. It will just cause further issues down the road. Ccp needs to look at the initial reasons why people not and improve resolve and enhance the ways we make our isk in an effective and timely manner.
This reads like a left-wing political commentary. Pro illegal immigration (bots) because the legal citizens(players) don't want to do the work that the illegals are willing to do. Supply and demand will balance everything out. Illegals get deported, ore supply will drop causing prices to go up (and prices of everything else as well). Since ore prices are higher, it is now worthwhile for legal citizens to mine, which will increase supply and lower prices. Prices are going to bob around until they reach equilibrium. The Government (ccp) needs to enforce the laws they produce (ex: no bots) and let the market regulate itself. They are doing that and all legal citizens will benefit from it. If making money was easy and the funnest thing in the game, inflation would skyrocket, but just like in the real world, the fun comes from SPENDING the money:) Also, Sreegs rocks. |
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
39
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:52:00 -
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Now here is the dark question.... what is the false positive rate on this?
A while back I knew a player who was not involved in RMT, was 'detected' as such, and found he had no real recourse to defend himself. Every query to customer service came back with 'we have conclusive evidence' and nothing else. The person made heavy use of multiple boxes, PLEX, and 'power of two', but no bots. Granted this was a year or two ago during that first round of 'unholy rage!' so perhaps things have improved since then, but at the time it was rather chilling to watch.
The best guess anyone came up with was they thought the ISK transfers between his own accounts were RMT going on.... but since people are happy to have big stats when people talk about 'number of accounts banned/ISK destroyed', the political incentive to ferret out the false positives is not that high. It didn't help that as the discussion with the GM progressed it became more clear that the person's actual crime was 'too many accounts, too much time online'. |
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