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Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 333	Posted - 2012.04.04 00:37:00 - [331] - Quote Sreegs, I've just read the whole thread. Grats to you and your team. OMG I don't know how much patience you must have to answer these questions over and over and overandoverandover... I appreciate what your doing (as do many others). Thanks to you all! Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!

CCP Sreegs C C P C C P Alliance 746	Posted - 2012.04.04 00:40:00 - [332] - Quote I'm going to bed because it's almost 1am. I'll pick this up tomorrow and probably follow it for another day or so before I moonwalk off into the sunset.

Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1432	Posted - 2012.04.04 00:52:00 - [333] - Quote What I'm getting from this is that CCP has little interest in preventing anyone from helping out a friend in need, but you do so at your own risk. Speaking strictly from a players point of view, if you really aren't sure about your internet buddy, ask him point blank if he RMT's occasionally. If he actually is a good friend he'll probably admit it... and if you do it via chat you'd have a copy of the logs if he maintained that he did not. Not that a chat log would necessarily end the matter, especially if you seem to make a habit out of loaning money to RMTers, but it's better than nothing. Personally, if I give someone something it's usually a ship that they might need to earn ISK to get back on their feet... and I do mean give, I don't expect anything in return. Repayment can consist on passing that favor on when needed, and hopefully one day if I ever find myself in that situation Karma will look after me. I'm not presuming to speak for anyone, just my personal point of view. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Z2ZzzzZ2Z School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.04.04 00:56:00 - [334] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: I'm going to bed because it's almost 1am. I'll pick this up tomorrow and probably follow it for another day or so before I moonwalk off into the sunset. i claim this emo quit
Xantor Bludberry 31	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:04:00 - [335] - Quote Is there some whine from RMT-botting forums?? I need moar drama and sweet botters tears!!! And I am so f****ng happy!!!!
Nemesis Factor Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck 43	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:20:00 - [336] - Quote I tend to really lose faith in humanity when the most forum active Dev in CCP catches so much **** from players. I find it really hard to grasp why anyone would be made nervous by that blog. Have some faith that they are trying to catch bots, not harass players. If you are nervous based simply on reading that blog, your probably doing something shady. Kudos to the security team, BTW.
Gevlin Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:29:00 - [337] - Quote Questions Out of left field Will some of the tools etc you are using be available for DUST514 and WOD? Is there a guide you can point to on how the community can help you fight the good fight - a Link where I can tell a whiner to be a solution vs a symptom of bots. can such player designed things like Farfmpukin http://esb.multiplexgaming.com/index.php Empire strikes back: a campaign to fight botting in Null sec I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine.
Natasha Preston State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:34:00 - [338] - Quote cyndrogen wrote: I am 110% against BOTS and RMT farmers etc..... however I would REALLY like a serious answer to this question. The reason BOTS exist is because a game mechanic exists where no human intelligence is required to complete the task. A BOT is capable of performing a game task much better then a human because this is actually a GAME DESIGN FLAW. I hate to say it but botting exists because the activity of mining ore and ice is brainless, requiers no skills and can be automated. Several people have made good suggestions on how to improve the game and make it more fun while making it harder for botting to occur, yet here we are banning accounts.You would not need to pay a security team a ton of REAL money if you actually use that money to fix the game mechanics. Which begs the question, is it cheaper to pay a security team money to ban botters instead of fixing the actual game mechanics? There are bots for every single aspect of the game, mission, trade, courier, etc. Besides, every single MMO out there has bots, so by your logic each one "is brainless, requiers no skills and can be automated". Why do you bother playing computer games at all?
Lt Pizi Dark-Rising 70	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:35:00 - [339] - Quote http://nosygamer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/ccps-war-on-bots-tinyminer-tears-march.html What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because -áWE LOVE YOU Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Della Monk the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 25	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:42:00 - [340] - Quote Man I don't see what's so fussy about loans. You loan isk to some deadbeat, he doesn't pay you back, you're out isk. You loan isk to some rmter, he pays you back but it gets reversed, you're out the same amount of isk. Unless I missed where they said they'd be handing out bans.


GM Nythanos Game Masters C C P Alliance 7	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:42:00 - [341] - Quote Hi guys, just wanted to give a quick clarification for PLEX/ETC questions from before: ETCs can be purchased from the official resellers at https://secure.eveonline.com/ETC however it's important to note that this is buying ETC, not PLEX. The difference is important. While a 60 day ETC can be converted to PLEX, you are not buying two 30 Day Pilot License Extensions from those websites buy a 60 day EVE Time Code. It may seem nitpicky since the ETC can be converted to PLEX, but converting the ETC to PLEX is one option, not the only one, and until that conversion is made you have a code for 60 days of game time, not 2 PLEX sitting in your Redeemable Items. If another website is claiming they sell PLEX directly in an official capacity the claim would be incorrect. Buying PLEX directly from another site is not allowed. To put it another way, there's no such thing as an "Official PLEX Reseller", only Official ETC resellers. The information given earlier was not for the ETC/PLEX system as a whole, but for the PLEX-from-sites concerns like: ThatSourDiesel wrote: CCP Sreegs wrote: The ONLY legal seller of PLEX is CCP. This was in the blog. Does this mean that other online retailers for PLEX, like Shattered Crystal and Battleclinic, are ILLEGAL sellers? I didn't think they were, but your post confuses me. Can anyone clarify this for me please? Thanks!! A short answer to questions about what is/isn't ok for ETC/PLEX acquisition would be: Buying ETC from official resellers - Ok Converting an ETC to 2 PLEX - Ok Selling an ETC through the secure method - Ok Buying PLEX through Account Management - Ok Buying and Selling PLEX in game via the Market and Contracts - Ok Buying PLEX from other Websites - Not Allowed GM Nythanos \| Senior Game Master

Meita Way My Hat is Made of LOVE 57	Posted - 2012.04.04 01:51:00 - [342] - Quote Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev. I can imagine the tech your using to do this (I'm a computer scientist like a couple of others that have posted in the thread). Awesome.
Z2ZzzzZ2Z School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:11:00 - [343] - Quote GM Nythanos, can you comment on my post #325. i feel like i was sorta left hanging. not trying to be difficult but my issues remain. please clarify this for the community.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong White-Lotus 506	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:22:00 - [344] - Quote I hate to be, THAT GUY, but what happen to me being able to use my little security code thing i got at LAST YEARS FANFEST. Are you guys that ADHD?
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 246	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:37:00 - [345] - Quote o7 to Sreegs. He might well be my favourite dev right now. (Along with Tallest, of course: Because he's just win--ref.: Reversing the proposed fighter signature-resolution nerf in the SCap-rebalancing thread.) CCP Sreegs wrote: [...] We fully intend to twist the knife on these kinds of operations and will utilize whichever mechanism we believe will cause them the most pain. [...] ^^ Yes...YES!!!! ^^ This signature is intentionally left blank.
Marlona Sky Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies. 765	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:50:00 - [346] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegs!!!!! Great job! Also great job to those helping you. CCP Stillman's the main man on this project. CCP Stillman! Why you no post so I may hit 'like' button?! Flight of a Thousand Rifters II: A Player Event
ISquishWorms 109	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:06:00 - [347] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: CCP Sreegs wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegs!!!!! Great job! Also great job to those helping you. CCP Stillman's the main man on this project. CCP Stillman! Why you no post so I may hit 'like' button?! This ^^
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 818	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:13:00 - [348] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: I hate to be, THAT GUY, but what happen to me being able to use my little security code thing i got at LAST YEARS FANFEST. Are you guys that ADHD? ETA is July 2012. It was mentioned in CCP Sreeg's last thread (regarding the Scarlet Letters). It probably will happen at the same time as the Launcher becomes the "login" point for the game. At least, that's my guess.
Krunzer Shakiel Ridgy Didge Holdings Pty Ltd 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:51:00 - [349] - Quote Does anyone know what is a reasonable time for a GM/CCP or someone to respond to a report BOT action issued in game. Its been 2 weeks since I've reported a blindly obvious Market BOT and nothing has happened? I realise there are bigger fish to fry and ( and are being fried) but trading is my main activity. I've found since the initial BAN a few weeks ago the market bots are increasingly interfering with the market again... My assumption is the Report Bot button is more of a feel good item, and/or requires multiple hits on the same toon to get any action (...personally I don't actually expect more from this feature, and god knows how many times it get used or misued a day) One reason I'm pushing with this market bot to go in this thread is that it has an obvious signature which CCP don't seem to have on their autodetect rules (yet?) - I would hope Sreegs or someone wish to pursue this.
Markus Reese Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION 99	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:52:00 - [350] - Quote Not sure if you can update blogs, but I recommend if you can, to add the following. 1. Link info to how to legitimately trade characters 2. Link plexes RMT is an issue in both games, some RMT players might not know how to legitimately do so. The wikis are pretty good for them so link em up!

Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1174	Posted - 2012.04.04 04:10:00 - [351] - Quote CCP Sreegs, would you be able to take the time to link to the Making ISK guide in the Evelopedia, from your devblogs regarding botting and RMT? I figure giving people a pointer to legitimate means to make ISK withing the rules of our virtual world might help reduce the number of pointless arguments about, "ratting and mining are boring, I need better ways to make ISK."
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1175	Posted - 2012.04.04 04:48:00 - [352] - Quote Allataria wrote: CCP really needs to look at the root of the issue which is making isk in game in any way is terribly boring. Ratting or mining or hauling or missioning. It doesn't matter how you make your money they are all incredibly dull. Interestingly enough, there is a Making ISK guide dealing with a variety of means to make ISK, INCLUDING NINJA SALVAGING. If you want a way to make ISK that includes all the fun of PVP, you really can't go past gankers officer-fit Tengus and CNRs in mission hubs. As for botters "being essential" GÇö bollocks! Bots are directly responsible for making mining and speculation low value activities.
Shepard Book Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2012.04.04 05:02:00 - [353] - Quote I think this is a step in the right direction. Could we get the number of players included in the number of accounts also? It would be interesting to see how many alt accounts we are talking about. I think it would be great to have some kind of ticker in officer quarters with the numbers updated on the big screen too! Killmails of the accounts would be nice as well if your taking more suggestions Keep attacking them!
Sister Megarea Irregular Warfare Mean Coalition 2	Posted - 2012.04.04 05:15:00 - [354] - Quote So can you post any of the rage/tear/h4te mail you've gotten from botter/RMTers (with identifying details removed, of course) ? Tears mail is particularly amusing :)
gring Organized Chaos Inc Spectral Knights 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 05:22:00 - [355] - Quote so my account got hacked last year around about june... just wondering if the reversals will have any effect on that since i lost about 10 billion isk in ships/modules and also my character looked like it was trying to be sold. REALLY hope it does :s
Imigo Montoya Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 34	Posted - 2012.04.04 05:26:00 - [356] - Quote Z2ZzzzZ2Z wrote: GM Nythanos, can you comment on my post #325. i feel like i was sorta left hanging. not trying to be difficult but my issues remain. please clarify this for the community. You mention CCP going "off half cocked", but you seem to have done the same in your question. CCP Sreegs pretty much answered your concerns here. Deal with it.
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 515	Posted - 2012.04.04 05:42:00 - [357] - Quote CCP Stillman / Sreggs Hi and thank you for your continued work. Much appreciated. How about a check box I can tick in my recruitment section that automagically denies anyone who's been temp banned. This way, you don't need to put a scarlet letter on anyone, you just kinda disallow them from joining my corp in the first place. This way, they're not chased with torches and pitchforks across new eden and I still get to keep that element out of my corp. It's not rocket surgery.
Padme Amidala Naberrie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2012.04.04 05:52:00 - [358] - Quote orphenshadow wrote: CCP Sreegs wrote: orphenshadow wrote: Sounds sexy.. One thing I'm curious about.. It's kind of a hypothetical scenario but... How does one figure out what isk was generated with a bot vs actual work.. For instance. If a player spent a lot of time actually ratting and doing stuff. But decided to run a bot for a few hours while he/she goes pvp on another toon.. How would CCP know that x isk was from bot, and y isk was legit? Not that this scenario is even realistic. I'm pretty sure those with access to bots would never have the desire to rat :P We don't differentiate. Don't bot and you won't ever have to care. So. You steal money that was legally earned. Gotcha. Errr, nope. You cheat they take your ISK. You don't cheat, they don't. But nice attempt to try and make CCP's attempts to end cheating sound somehow "dodgy". PAN
Leeonwung House Of Serenity. Unprovoked Aggression 14	Posted - 2012.04.04 06:04:00 - [359] - Quote Great work CCP. I really hope you will be able to eventually get rid of all the bots and botters and find a way to keep them out of the game. Maybe one of those "Captcha's" at login. Love the game and the concept and cant imagine a better way to pass time whilst playing an MMO game. Eve The Greatest Game Ever
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service 18	Posted - 2012.04.04 06:15:00 - [360] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: Yeah posting the same question that's already been answered in this thread isn't going to get you an answer you like better. I believe your assertion to be absolutely incorrect 100%. By this standard, as I said earlier, every MMO ever was a boring noninteractive game and every one in the future will be as well. I'm glad you got your message out though. Again. Stay Strong! ..... Wow. I almost cried a little tear there. It's like the old days when devs didn't take **** from anyone and gave as good as they got. This keeps up I might actually begin to like CCP again.



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