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adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
374
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:02:00 -
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But if CCP purges all bots, how will I pad my KB stats!?! Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |

Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:03:00 -
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/bows to Sreegs Excellent stuff. Keep it going. |

Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:05:00 -
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Dingurxul wrote:Allataria wrote:CCP really needs to look at the root of the issue which is making isk in game in any way is terribly boring. Ratting or mining or hauling or missioning. It doesn't matter how you make your money they are all incredibly dull. The amount of time you have to devote to turn any profit especially ratting and mining is ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that if bitters are completely removed before any changes or fixes are put into place to resolve this issue the market willsuffer. Prices will soar an the output ofitems and ships will decrease. I doubt many people realise just how much the current mlarket is dependent on botters especiallythe miners. Let me say though I am not condoning or supporting them but most of the boys are a result of the game being just so dull and repetitive in the ways we make our isk. Incursions however are a good contrast as they are fun and enjoyable in how we make our money. But the problem still is that's its hard and boring to make isk especially in low and null sec. If we could find new ways to get people to actively engage the game to make isk and make it time effective we could seriously reduce the amount of botters in the game. Banning bots wont silver the problem as to why there are bots. It will just cause further issues down the road. Ccp needs to look at the initial reasons why people not and improve resolve and enhance the ways we make our isk in an effective and timely manner. That is like saying I don't want to work in RL to pay for the things I need/want. We as a society give value to money because it is the direct result of producing or doing something that people value. To remove value from ISK (making it easy to get and thus meaningless) removes all value to things related to it. If the ship that you pewpew and destroy takes no effort to replace, your killing of that ship is meaningless because it has no real value. This in turn removes any value to PVP combat, the thing in which IGÇÖm sure you want to be able to do more of by GÇ£making ISK easierGÇ¥ to get.
All I see here is I'm a pubbie who likes to mission customer the how I play. Try ratting in null sec for 6 hours a day and tell me its more fun and productive then missions. Oh that's right its not. CCP is failing to look at reasons and causes to hitting and is lazy going for the easy fix. Long time players have tried in vain to express the shortcomings of the game but it has fallen on deaf ears time and time again. Maybe when these bots get banned and loads of long timers stop subbing and the in game market falls apart and CCP starts to.lose.money they will see the larger picture. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
638

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:06:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:I have a few questions:
1) I'd like to see an answer to the earlier question about how far down the chain this goes. Ex: A buys ISK and buys a ship from B, does B get punished/ship transaction reversed/etc?
2) How do you determine "known RMTers"? For example, your comment about making loans to "known RMTers". How do you decide whether a person doing business with the RMTer was aware of their illegal activity or just a legitimate player? Am I at risk of getting banned because I give a loan to someone I thought was a legitimate business opportunity, and it turns out they're a RMTer?
3) How exactly are you planning to deal with the effects of things like removing supercapitals on innocent players? For example, A buys a titan with cash, contributes it to the alliance, and player B actually flies it. Does B lose their titan? If A has a freighter full of assets owned by his corp-mates when he is banned, can those players get their assets back? Are you going to delete RMTed sov-claiming structures, and, if so, how are you going to deal with the fact that a lot of innocent players have just experienced a massive effect on their game?
1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well.
2) If I was going to loan someone money I'd make sure I knew who they were etc. In the cases this has popped up the person in question was a well known RMTer. There's no magic formula for this.
3) In RMT nobody is innocent. In your scenario I can't figure out what player B actually lost? They spent nothing and therefore are no worse off than they were before? We'll deal with this on a case by case basis but ultimately if there's an alliance run by RMT then I will end that alliance. It's unfortunate that some people may be negatively impacted by that but their leaders were cheating and we're not going to allow people to cheat. I'll also note that your question is hypothetical and I can't truly answer that until I've seen that scenario. |
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
17
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:07:00 -
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adopt wrote:But if CCP purges all bots, how will I pad my KB stats!?!
by sitting on gates in lowsec systems near the newbie starter areas waiting for said newbies to come "explore" lowsec? :)
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
638

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:08:00 -
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Allataria wrote:Dingurxul wrote:Allataria wrote:CCP really needs to look at the root of the issue which is making isk in game in any way is terribly boring. Ratting or mining or hauling or missioning. It doesn't matter how you make your money they are all incredibly dull. The amount of time you have to devote to turn any profit especially ratting and mining is ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that if bitters are completely removed before any changes or fixes are put into place to resolve this issue the market willsuffer. Prices will soar an the output ofitems and ships will decrease. I doubt many people realise just how much the current mlarket is dependent on botters especiallythe miners. Let me say though I am not condoning or supporting them but most of the boys are a result of the game being just so dull and repetitive in the ways we make our isk. Incursions however are a good contrast as they are fun and enjoyable in how we make our money. But the problem still is that's its hard and boring to make isk especially in low and null sec. If we could find new ways to get people to actively engage the game to make isk and make it time effective we could seriously reduce the amount of botters in the game. Banning bots wont silver the problem as to why there are bots. It will just cause further issues down the road. Ccp needs to look at the initial reasons why people not and improve resolve and enhance the ways we make our isk in an effective and timely manner. That is like saying I don't want to work in RL to pay for the things I need/want. We as a society give value to money because it is the direct result of producing or doing something that people value. To remove value from ISK (making it easy to get and thus meaningless) removes all value to things related to it. If the ship that you pewpew and destroy takes no effort to replace, your killing of that ship is meaningless because it has no real value. This in turn removes any value to PVP combat, the thing in which IGÇÖm sure you want to be able to do more of by GÇ£making ISK easierGÇ¥ to get. All I see here is I'm a pubbie who likes to mission customer the how I play. Try ratting in null sec for 6 hours a day and tell me its more fun and productive then missions. Oh that's right its not. CCP is failing to look at reasons and causes to hitting and is lazy going for the easy fix. Long time players have tried in vain to express the shortcomings of the game but it has fallen on deaf ears time and time again. Maybe when these bots get banned and loads of long timers stop subbing and the in game market falls apart and CCP starts to.lose.money they will see the larger picture.
Now you're either speculating or ignoring what I said. I said game design deals with those issues and we've discussed this in the past. This isn't a fresh or new idea anywhere. I'm sorry if you feel there's a legitimate reason for botting but there isn't and that's basically that. Not liking a game doesn't entitle you to cheat. Ever. At all. Enough with the moral equivalency please. |
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
19
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:09:00 -
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Please continue to stomp a mudhole in these bastards. More slamming dicks in doors! |

Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
166
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:10:00 -
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Excellent, Sreegs.
Can't wait to see how the super cap purge goes  |

Ren Oren
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:11:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Sreegs: Can you address the concern - nay, the undeniable fact - that reporting your foes in-game, whether or not they're actually engaging in any sort of RMT, is going to become a regular tactic nowadays, all the moreso that you're offering an incentive for doing so? Will there be punitive action taken against players who spam lots of reports, especially if investigation into those reports keeps coming up negative?
My concern here is that you're going to create a whole lot of unnecessary workload for yourself investigating all kinds of false reports, which could serve to reduce your effectiveness at dealing with actual RMTers.
hmm someone can feel the ban hammer coming LOL LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE IT |

Zircon Dasher
122
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:12:00 -
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<3 |
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Larofeticus
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:16:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:We have and will continue to discuss changes to trials but our approach has always been to try and design a game that is engaging for people rather than one that's hard for botters if that makes sense.
Why must you focus on the least interesting part of my post? You guys must be up to your armpits in network and graph theory papers and instead you focus on the trial accounts which are almost trivial to abstract right out of the model.
Isk faucet character(s) -> vault character(s) -> RMT customer butte(s)
Unless there is some way for the trial accounts to make RMT magnitude amounts of isk, then they can only be an intermetdiate step between faucet and butte. |

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
71
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:17:00 -
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Kick em in the teeth Sreegs. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
62
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:17:00 -
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burn them with fire! |

Stragak
Mangi Consilii S E D I T I O N
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:18:00 -
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Me love you long time Sreegs  Nobody cares about your plans to be dirty hippies. goon (n)-áthefreedictionary A thug hired to intimidate or harm opponents A stupid or oafish person.
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Clolo
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
9
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:20:00 -
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I don't know if this has been mentioned, but have you thought of running a "police auction" with all the confiscated assets? |

Days Mahyisti
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:20:00 -
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I don't wanna be the Snitch here, but I think this guy named RANdom 01 is using a bot. I've seen him botting or what I suspect as botting always around 1 am to maybe 5 am. Me and my Corp. have seen him multiple times during Mining Operations (I was using my other Character, not this one) I leave it up to you, CCP, to decided what to do with him. Botting is not cool and unfair for the rest of us. Mei Ling Cobon-Han is my Main |

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:23:00 -
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good work but why did it take so long to have a team dedicated to this? |

Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
4
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:27:00 -
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HOT DAMN
urban dictionary: an exclamation of astonishment or approval
Quote: On a personal note, CCP Soundwave's cosplay-fit 6pack abs have inspired me to purchase a gym membership so all of you who have expressed heartfelt concern about my physical health may now sleep easier!
May I punch the abs to see how tough they are next time at fanfest ?
CCP Security = Tough Guys  |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
127
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:28:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:[2) If I was going to loan someone money I'd make sure I knew who they were etc. In the cases this has popped up the person in question was a well known RMTer. There's no magic formula for this. And what about less brazen RMTers? Should we just be taking someone's word that the isk they're loaning me (or vice versa) or the modules they're selling me or what have you aren't dirty?
Perhaps we're being overly hysterical here but this comment is treading awfully close to the "It's YOUR job to police OUR game" ground, and it has rather significant implications for a lot of ingame activity. |

Celebris Nexterra
Lowsec Static
42
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:30:00 -
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Moar bot **** plz. |
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SlayerOfArgus
Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:30:00 -
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Days Mahyisti wrote:I don't wanna be the Snitch here, but I think this guy named RANdom 01 is using a bot. I've seen him botting or what I suspect as botting always around 1 am to maybe 5 am. Me and my Corp. have seen him multiple times during Mining Operations (I was using my other Character, not this one) I leave it up to you, CCP, to decided what to do with him. Botting is not cool and unfair for the rest of us. Mei Ling Cobon-Han is my Main
If you haven't filed a petition yet, do so.
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
642

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:33:00 -
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Larofeticus wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:We have and will continue to discuss changes to trials but our approach has always been to try and design a game that is engaging for people rather than one that's hard for botters if that makes sense. Why must you focus on the least interesting part of my post? You guys must be up to your armpits in network and graph theory papers and instead you focus on the trial accounts which are almost trivial to abstract right out of the model. Isk faucet character(s) -> vault character(s) -> RMT customer butte(s) Unless there is some way for the trial accounts to make RMT magnitude amounts of isk, then they can only be an intermetdiate step between faucet and butte.
We don't discuss sources or methods so I commented on the part of the post that I could. You are correct that it is indeed an interesting problem which is why we were super excited to be able to work on it. Also I get to yell at Stillman all day. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
642

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:34:00 -
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Clolo wrote:I don't know if this has been mentioned, but have you thought of running a "police auction" with all the confiscated assets?
It's been theorized but I don't think we'd use it in this application because in most cases the assets simply shouldn't exist so we're more focused on fixing the glitch in the economy by removing them. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
642

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:35:00 -
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Days Mahyisti wrote:I don't wanna be the Snitch here, but I think this guy named RANdom 01 is using a bot. I've seen him botting or what I suspect as botting always around 1 am to maybe 5 am. Me and my Corp. have seen him multiple times during Mining Operations (I was using my other Character, not this one) I leave it up to you, CCP, to decided what to do with him. Botting is not cool and unfair for the rest of us. Mei Ling Cobon-Han is my Main
PLEX are only for snitches. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
658

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:36:00 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:good work but why did it take so long to have a team dedicated to this?
You'd have to ask management that question. This falls under the purview of the Sr. Producer so you have CCP Unifex to thank. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
658

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:36:00 -
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Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:HOT DAMNurban dictionary: an exclamation of astonishment or approval Quote: On a personal note, CCP Soundwave's cosplay-fit 6pack abs have inspired me to purchase a gym membership so all of you who have expressed heartfelt concern about my physical health may now sleep easier! May I punch the abs to see how tough they are next time at fanfest ? CCP Security = Tough Guys 
You may only punch me in game |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
658

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:37:00 -
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corestwo wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[2) If I was going to loan someone money I'd make sure I knew who they were etc. In the cases this has popped up the person in question was a well known RMTer. There's no magic formula for this. And what about less brazen RMTers? Should we just be taking someone's word that the isk they're loaning me (or vice versa) or the modules they're selling me or what have you aren't dirty? Perhaps we're being overly hysterical here but this comment is treading awfully close to the "It's YOUR job to police OUR game" ground, and it has rather significant implications for a lot of ingame activity.
I don't believe it has significant implications for a lot of ingame activity. When I or you run into a problem with it let us know but in the meantime just assume you can Remain Calm. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
658

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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:38:00 -
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SlayerOfArgus wrote:Days Mahyisti wrote:I don't wanna be the Snitch here, but I think this guy named RANdom 01 is using a bot. I've seen him botting or what I suspect as botting always around 1 am to maybe 5 am. Me and my Corp. have seen him multiple times during Mining Operations (I was using my other Character, not this one) I leave it up to you, CCP, to decided what to do with him. Botting is not cool and unfair for the rest of us. Mei Ling Cobon-Han is my Main If you haven't filed a petition yet, do so.
Actually just use the report bot feature in the client. It's more streamlined. |
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
81
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:39:00 -
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Great job Sreegs. Looks like this is having a great effect already and if you guys can keep doing it every day it should be a game changer.
Also big thanks to CCP Unifex for bringing the security team back! |

Jieirn Devau
Aperture Reach Hades.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
You may only punch me in game
Is this an announcement of an official feature? |
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