Oh, talking about gyms, could CCP possibly consider the idea of striking a deal with some chain of gyms? I'd kinda like the idea of a Get Fit 4 PLEX program too.

Was thinking the same earlier, posted 1 or 2 pages ago on this thread. Sometimes I just have "big" transactions happening when me and my friend get loot in DED sites and we split the value between us before we even sell the thing so as to have just 1 person worry about the market. Call me paranoid but some assurance from Sreegs that this doesn't result in a flag would be nice =)

Thing is that you can buy a billion isk for $35 from ccp.

I heard in a eve song that a billion isk from www.buyisk.com was $56.98

So why anybody would rmt isk when ccp sells it for a lot less is beyond me,

Nice!

well done ccp!

Noob question: Is the inflation of the last weeks linked with all these bannings?

Are there expected concequences to the market?

Okay, GTC can not be sold for isk, Only ingame PLEX, I'll agree with ya...
CCP needs to shut down secure GTC trading as it is a figment of my imagination.

as long as you don't consider the risk of getting caught, RMT ISK is of course substantially cheaper than what you would pay to get the same amount through GTCs.

This is an interesting topic and something that has been on my mind for years when it comes to my 3rd party business.

I have no way of knowing where ISK orginates from, and is also the reason why I don't ask because I would simply be lied to anyway. I however do practise caution and avoid assisting if I feel things are dodgy or I suspect RMT.

Another practise I take is to always try keep a record of buyer and seller and who ISK is being sent to.

For example ISK flows buyer->me->seller, rather than buyer->me->random alt created 2 days ago - that (I think) makes it easier for CCP to trace the flow as well, plus hopefully it keeps me out of trouble.

I also do report suspicious transfers as I don't wish to be banned myself and I do not support RMT. I do see the problems with loans that VV is talking about as that is a somewhat different thing compared to my 3rd party service.

I'd be happy to support CCP in any way I can and hope that they continue on discussing this with us should there be issues with how me and others provide services to help making it harder to RMT.

/c

I have a question for Jersey Johnson.

Is your program able to tell the difference between RMT and Isk being traded for Eve Related Services?

As per the CCP Want Ads forums:

5. Paying isk for out-of-game services that are related to EVE such as team speak servers or killboards is allowable and you should preface your thread with WTB [service]


CCP Spitfire Post

Which in Unix terms is equal to dev/null.

Edit: actually no, it's more like starting a 100% RAM usage process in Windows 3.1. It gets done... eventually.

They need to hire like 10 times as many employess to make it acceptably fast.

I hate to be, THAT GUY, but what happen to me being able to use my little security code thing i got at LAST YEARS FANFEST.

Are you guys that ADHD?

Does anyone know what is a reasonable time for a GM/CCP or someone to respond to a report BOT action issued in game. Its been 2 weeks since I've reported a blindly obvious Market BOT and nothing has happened? I realise there are bigger fish to fry and ( and are being fried) but trading is my main activity.

I've found since the initial BAN a few weeks ago the market bots are increasingly interfering with the market again...

My assumption is the Report Bot button is more of a feel good item, and/or requires multiple hits on the same toon to get any action (...personally I don't actually expect more from this feature, and god knows how many times it get used or misued a day)

One reason I'm pushing with this market bot to go in this thread is that it has an obvious signature which CCP don't seem to have on their autodetect rules (yet?) - I would hope Sreegs or someone wish to pursue this.

Interestingly enough, there is a POOP dealing with a variety of means to make ISK, INCLUDING NINJA SALVAGING. If you want a way to make ISK that includes all the fun of PVP, you really can't go past gankers officer-fit Tengus and CNRs in mission hubs.

As for botters "being essential" GÇö bollocks! Bots are directly responsible for making mining and speculation low value activities.

Unless you got them using a purchase order for say 100 isk per unit then it shouldnt matter.
What is interesting is that they are saying they are going to claw back the isk, if they are going to reverse transactions then that would be a bit odd for consumable or destroyed things.

Your question goes to show something simple, RMT'ers will use contracts and markets to wash the items that they move. If you have buy orders up for 1% of an items value and someone fills it and they happen to be an RMT'er then you might need to explain, as the DEV is not going to get into the fine details then we will not know for sure. I would say that normal day to day market transactions are 100% safe unless your orders are showing some serious sign's that your trying to wash product. Few of those orders get filled, and generally the guys who place those orders are known.

I will not pretend that there's a easy way to spot legit vs bot or legit vs rmt. The ingame mechanics allow for scamming, overselling and underselling. RMT'ers do sell ingame products now for a fraction of the real value (You can catch them from time to time) so I know it does go on. It will be down to a GM or DEV to figgure out if those orders were to wash product or if they were a legit type of scam.

In the old contract days I would place orders up that isk sellers would fill and then report them. When the contract system came along and they could do things "private" then the ability for me to steal their isk was removed.

Just buy from the market and dont worry about it. Bot minerals and RMT isk flows through the markets in so many ways that it is doubtful you can buy any manufactured product that doesnt have a tie to RMT or Bots.

I for one and all for getting rid of BOTS and RMT. I am also all for getting rid of CCP's manipulation of the PLEX consumption. I am also for game fixes that would help stop Bots and secure gameplay.

I dont think i'll ask this dev any more questions, as he asked me to stop spreading lies. Asking a question is not a lie, but he's a dev and I guess he doesnt understand the difference.

Reporting a bot does not insinuate immediate action or actually action at all. It does matter though.

If you are doing nothing against a bot I reported, why should I report them?

this one sentence is giving me the feeling, you dont care about bots at all and all you are doing is only PR...

I hope I'm wrong (or misunderstood you) and you are working on a "bot-free" Eve.

Agreed! (Quoting so I don't have to paraphrase this since I'm typing too much below as is)

It hasn't been said particularly well in this thread, but I think most of the nervousness of players who have built something "unsupported" in the sandbox is that future methods for security or whatnot are going to trample over everyone in a "**** everyone who isn't using hard coded game features" way.

Nice pedantism on the OS references by the way.
I preferred the old peek and poke on a vic 20 and girls in the days of yore..

..What he means, is first, they have to investigate, if he REALY IS a bot. If not - no actions taken. (because players will report false alerts on in game (or outside game) enemies. So you can't trust blindly, you have to investigate.

..., you have to investigate.

If you are doing nothing against a bot I reported, why should I report them?

this one sentence is giving me the feeling, you dont care about bots at all and all you are doing is only PR...

I hope I'm wrong (or misunderstood you) and you are working on a "bot-free" Eve.

We apparently needed Chribba to post his concerns before multiple people found motivation to basically agree with what I am posting since the first day and only getting flames as a result.




EvE greatest assets are its players, expecially those who find new ways to do stuff in the sandbox. At Fanfest and everywhere else EvE is flaunted as the "emergent gameplay" forge. EvE finance and meta-services are both ISK risky, emergent and EULA compliant (i.e it's not the same "emergent gameplay" shown at web-scrambling freighters and similar).
Those meta-professions bring in a further dimension to the game, some of them can be done just by an handful of players who earned mass-respect over years of flawless records.
Those players are completely reliant on their reputation, this is why a quick "ban first, eventually undo it 1 month later" politic will just ruin their years of efforts and leave a stain on them even once the penalty is lifted.
Like in real life, the other players will just think: "he was guilty, he just got unbanned because he was important", "he was guilty but he has CCP connections" and so on.