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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:18:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Grikath wrote:Sreegs has already stated that people who insist that they are "false positives" and get banned should use the normal petition route.
have you ever tried to petition anything with a banned account? its rather tricky lol
Nothing stopping you opening a trial account and submitting a pertition that way.
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Vulcan23
New Eden Advanced Experiments
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:21:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Selene D'Celeste wrote:
Agreed! (Quoting so I don't have to paraphrase this since I'm typing too much below as is)
We apparently needed Chribba to post his concerns before multiple people found motivation to basically agree with what I am posting since the first day and only getting flames as a result. Selene D'Celeste wrote: It hasn't been said particularly well in this thread, but I think most of the nervousness of players who have built something "unsupported" in the sandbox is that future methods for security or whatnot are going to trample over everyone in a "**** everyone who isn't using hard coded game features" way.
EvE greatest assets are its players, expecially those who find new ways to do stuff in the sandbox. At Fanfest and everywhere else EvE is flaunted as the "emergent gameplay" forge. EvE finance and meta-services are both ISK risky, emergent and EULA compliant (i.e it's not the same "emergent gameplay" shown at web-scrambling freighters and similar). Those meta-professions bring in a further dimension to the game, some of them can be done just by an handful of players who earned mass-respect over years of flawless records. Those players are completely reliant on their reputation, this is why a quick "ban first, eventually undo it 1 month later" politic will just ruin their years of efforts and leave a stain on them even once the penalty is lifted. Like in real life, the other players will just think: "he was guilty, he just got unbanned because he was important", "he was guilty but he has CCP connections" and so on. Yeah you can post for the next year and I'm still not underwriting your profession or changing my methods because you posted a lot despite never having a problem. I think it's time you moved on.
Your reading comprehension and customer-service-fu are weak my friend. Unfortunately, none of your posts on this issue have shown that you actually comprehend the issues that are being raised and your consistent focus on the idea of 'underwriting' a profession, when then is not at all what is at issue, suggests that you maybe need to think again, think more clearly, and drop the dev-goon act. It is really not good for business and paints your company in a lamentable light. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
961
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:28:00 -
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Vulcan23 wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Selene D'Celeste wrote:
Agreed! (Quoting so I don't have to paraphrase this since I'm typing too much below as is)
We apparently needed Chribba to post his concerns before multiple people found motivation to basically agree with what I am posting since the first day and only getting flames as a result. Selene D'Celeste wrote: It hasn't been said particularly well in this thread, but I think most of the nervousness of players who have built something "unsupported" in the sandbox is that future methods for security or whatnot are going to trample over everyone in a "**** everyone who isn't using hard coded game features" way.
EvE greatest assets are its players, expecially those who find new ways to do stuff in the sandbox. At Fanfest and everywhere else EvE is flaunted as the "emergent gameplay" forge. EvE finance and meta-services are both ISK risky, emergent and EULA compliant (i.e it's not the same "emergent gameplay" shown at web-scrambling freighters and similar). Those meta-professions bring in a further dimension to the game, some of them can be done just by an handful of players who earned mass-respect over years of flawless records. Those players are completely reliant on their reputation, this is why a quick "ban first, eventually undo it 1 month later" politic will just ruin their years of efforts and leave a stain on them even once the penalty is lifted. Like in real life, the other players will just think: "he was guilty, he just got unbanned because he was important", "he was guilty but he has CCP connections" and so on. Yeah you can post for the next year and I'm still not underwriting your profession or changing my methods because you posted a lot despite never having a problem. I think it's time you moved on. Your reading comprehension and customer-service-fu are weak my friend. Unfortunately, none of your posts on this issue have shown that you actually comprehend the issues that are being raised and your consistent focus on the idea of 'underwriting' a profession, when then is not at all what is at issue, suggests that you maybe need to think again, think more clearly, and drop the dev-goon act. It is really not good for business and paints your company in a lamentable light.
I'm sorry you don't agree with my stance on the issue but it's the stance and has been every single time I've had to answer the question. It's not changing because what you want is wrong and HAS NEVER EVER EVER HAPPENED. YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOTHING. If you could give me some indication how many times I need to say that before it finally sinks in then I'll just go ahead and make that many posts and get it over with.
:edit: In addition, yes it has been asked to underwrite it a number of times. Perhaps you think you're posting in a different thread or haven't actually read this one?
:edit2: Also, not in customer service |
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Vulcan23
New Eden Advanced Experiments
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:I'm sorry you don't agree with my stance on the issue but it's the stance and has been every single time I've had to answer the question. It's not changing because what you want is wrong and HAS NEVER EVER EVER HAPPENED. YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOTHING.
So, you ARE in fact willing to guarantee that it never WILL happen? Right? Otherwise your statement that people are concerned about nothing is meaningless. Or do you think it is impossible to be concerned about future events? Personally, those are the ones I do tend to get worried about as the stuff that has already happened can't really be helped.
Quote: If you could give me some indication how many times I need to say that before it finally sinks in then I'll just go ahead and make that many posts and get it over with.
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Vyktor Abyss
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
101
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:47:00 -
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I'm sure many people have legitimate concerns with this, but I'm also sure many people have illegitimate concerns and will be making noise to smokescreen their dubious acts.
Stick to your guns CCP and ride out the storm because at the end of the day, the game world will be a better place to play for all of us. It will be interesting to see if those who we've long suspected all along to be massive RMTers *cough* many Russians *cough* will be vindicated.
I look forward to the news updates! |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
961
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:47:00 -
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Vulcan23 wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:I'm sorry you don't agree with my stance on the issue but it's the stance and has been every single time I've had to answer the question. It's not changing because what you want is wrong and HAS NEVER EVER EVER HAPPENED. YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOTHING.
So, you ARE in fact willing to guarantee that it never WILL happen? Right? Otherwise your statement that people are concerned about nothing is meaningless. Or do you think it is impossible to be concerned about future events? Personally, those are the ones I do tend to get worried about as the stuff that has already happened can't really be helped. Quote: If you could give me some indication how many times I need to say that before it finally sinks in then I'll just go ahead and make that many posts and get it over with.
23 naturally.
I think I've given all the assurances I'm going to give on the matter in this thread and I find the repeated harping on niche topics which basically ignore what I've said to be an extremely disrespectful waste of my time. Read through the thread for your answer. |
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
20
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:48:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote: as long as you don't consider the risk of getting caught, RMT ISK is of course substantially cheaper than what you would pay to get the same amount through GTCs.
This. Simple economics dictates that RMT ISK has to be cheaper then GTC/PLEX-sourced ISK to the consumer, otherwise the consumer will do the smart thing and just buy a GTC and turn it into PLEX (or buy PLEX directly from CCP). In fact, it has to be "much" cheaper (for varying amounts of "must") in order for the consumer to take the illegal route of RMT over the sanctioned and protected route of GTC/PLEX. GTC/PLEX is a very smart move by CCP. It takes the wind out of the sails of the RMT'ers, who now have to sell their product at a discount and it provides a legal, sanctioned, can't-be-scammed method of exchanging GTCs / PLEX. (We'll ignore the "getting scammed after you receive the PLEX in-game issue. That's on the player's head for being dumber then the average bear.) When you pay some dodgy RMT site money-for-ISK, there's no guarantee other then word-of-mouth or reputation (hahaha) that you'll actually get what you paid for. Heck, probably at least some of them will try and serve up a trojan infection while you visit so they can steal your login details and clean out your wallet.
I had a friend on wow, who bought gold a few times from several sites and on at least 2 occasions she got royaly scammed, when said RMT sites failed to deliver and the thing is it's not like she could get the transaction reversed by her credit card companys due to then they'd contact blizzard etc etc ie hello ban hammer lol nevermind fact that several of the sites sent her AV software nuts with warnings about viruses and trojans trying to load from said sites.
so next time anyones tempted to buy isk from a RMT site consider this, they can scam you if you want and you'll be out of pocket irl with no way of reversing the transaction without risking being banned when your credit/debit card provider contacts CCP to check about it, and secondly your very liable to find viruses and trojans being loaded onto your PC via RMT sellers sites...
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
281
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:51:00 -
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Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
Reporting a bot does not insinuate immediate action or actually action at all. It does matter though.
If you are doing nothing against a bot I reported, why should I report them? this one sentence is giving me the feeling, you dont care about bots at all and all you are doing is only PR... I hope I'm wrong (or misunderstood you) and you are working on a "bot-free" Eve. Can I answer this question Sreeg? What he means, is first, they have to investigate, if he REALY IS a bot. If not - no actions taken. (because players will report false alerts on in game (or outside game) enemies. So you can't trust blindly, you have to investigate. If I am incorect - please correct me (And don't ban me )
Additionally, I'd like to point out that while the bot might not disappear over night after being reported, it is really important that you guys keep reporting bots. I won't go into details why, but rest assured that it's something that you can do to help in the war on bots.
Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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Shanky McStabber
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:02:00 -
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Shanky McStabber wrote:I have a question for Jersey Johnson. Is your program able to tell the difference between RMT and Isk being traded for Eve Related Services? As per the CCP Want Ads forums: 5. Paying isk for out-of-game services that are related to EVE such as team speak servers or killboards is allowable and you should preface your thread with WTB [service] CCP Spitfire Post
Still looking to hear something about this. I would like to make sure that trading Signatures/Vent/TS for isk isn't going to get someone flagged as it seems to me it could look suspiciously like RMT even if it is an "allowed" expenditure of isk.
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Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
212
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:03:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote: Additionally, I'd like to point out that while the bot might not disappear over night after being reported, it is really important that you guys keep reporting bots. I won't go into details why, but rest assured that it's something that you can do to help in the war on bots.
Ok, lets put it in other words:
Let us assume I find a bot (a real one) and I report it. That will lead to: that Bot will go, soon (TM). (whatever soon means)?
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
961
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:08:00 -
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Shanky McStabber wrote:Shanky McStabber wrote:I have a question for Jersey Johnson. Is your program able to tell the difference between RMT and Isk being traded for Eve Related Services? As per the CCP Want Ads forums: 5. Paying isk for out-of-game services that are related to EVE such as team speak servers or killboards is allowable and you should preface your thread with WTB [service] CCP Spitfire Post Still looking to hear something about this. I would like to make sure that trading Signatures/Vent/TS for isk isn't going to get someone flagged as it seems to me it could look suspiciously like RMT even if it is an "allowed" expenditure of isk.
I've stated before that I do not support activities not supported by game mechanics. You can call them "loans". You can "rent out vent slots". You can sell pictures of loved ones....
I'm not going to guarantee services that are not explicitly written into the mechanics. If a false positive happens then let us know and we'll figure out how to deal with it. It hasn't. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
961
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:08:00 -
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Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: Additionally, I'd like to point out that while the bot might not disappear over night after being reported, it is really important that you guys keep reporting bots. I won't go into details why, but rest assured that it's something that you can do to help in the war on bots.
Ok, lets put it in other words: Let us assume I find a bot (a real one) and I report it. That will lead to: that Bot will go, soon (TM). (whatever soon means)?
The only answer we're going to give is in the post you quoted. :) |
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Shanky McStabber
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:16:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Shanky McStabber wrote:Shanky McStabber wrote:I have a question for Jersey Johnson. Is your program able to tell the difference between RMT and Isk being traded for Eve Related Services? As per the CCP Want Ads forums: 5. Paying isk for out-of-game services that are related to EVE such as team speak servers or killboards is allowable and you should preface your thread with WTB [service] CCP Spitfire Post Still looking to hear something about this. I would like to make sure that trading Signatures/Vent/TS for isk isn't going to get someone flagged as it seems to me it could look suspiciously like RMT even if it is an "allowed" expenditure of isk. I've stated before that I do not support activities not supported by game mechanics. You can call them "loans". You can "rent out vent slots". You can sell pictures of loved ones.... I'm not going to guarantee services that are not explicitly written into the mechanics. If a false positive happens then let us know and we'll figure out how to deal with it. It hasn't.
That's cool. As long as you are aware that CCP GMs have stated that those kinds of transactions can be conducted and the official forums can even be used to promote/request these transactions.
I am cool with you burning every RMT'er to the ground, I just hope you don't manage to snag someone who are providing a service that CCP in the past has said is allowed to circumvent the "ISK FOR IN GAME ITEMS ONLY" model.
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Sofia Lamorghan
Edenists Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:16:00 -
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Shanky McStabber wrote:I have a question for Jersey Johnson. Is your program able to tell the difference between RMT and Isk being traded for Eve Related Services? As per the CCP Want Ads forums: 5. Paying isk for out-of-game services that are related to EVE such as team speak servers or killboards is allowable and you should preface your thread with WTB [service] CCP Spitfire Post
If you are offering out-of-game services, the ISK will be transferred FROM a large number of customers TO your character(s)/corp. In RMT, the ISK would flow FROM the RMT trader's character(s)/corp TO a large number of customers. I'd be very surprised if any algorithm would incorrectly detect the former as RMT, and even if it did the difference should be pretty obvious when the flagged activity is reviewed by a human. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2998
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:16:00 -
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Vulcan23 wrote:23 naturally. There's no such thing as the [23]. We do not talk about the [23]. Shhh.
/c
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
966
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:18:00 -
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It's been a couple of days and I'm just answering the same rephrased questions from the same people at this point so I'm going to go ahead and call this thread a success, put a fork in it and ride off into the sunset. Enjoy! |
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Styrling
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:20:00 -
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Yo last question before you lock this *****, how long is your petition queue from this still? I know you have undone some perma's already but other people are still waiting for a word. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
966
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:24:00 -
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Styrling wrote:Yo last question before you lock this *****, how long is your petition queue from this still? I know you have undone some perma's already but other people are still waiting for a word.
I'm not a GM so I don't know. The ones I've gotten have either done something wrong or were already unbanned. (and they still did something wrong) |
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Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
212
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:11:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: Additionally, I'd like to point out that while the bot might not disappear over night after being reported, it is really important that you guys keep reporting bots. I won't go into details why, but rest assured that it's something that you can do to help in the war on bots.
Ok, lets put it in other words: Let us assume I find a bot (a real one) and I report it. That will lead to: that Bot will go, soon (TM). (whatever soon means)? The only answer we're going to give is in the post you quoted. :) ok, i take that for an "Yes" and say thank you for clarification *g* DISSONANCE is recruiting Members: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=706442#post706442 Black-Mark Alliance Recruitment: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6710 |
Par'Gellen
23
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:32:00 -
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Sreegs dude... You talk a lot about respect and wasting time but avoid direct questions which only makes us ask them repeatedly thinking maybe you have a comprehension problem (*shrug* some people do). Don't get mad at us for hating "politically correct double-talk say-nothing" answers to real questions. To err is human, but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
96
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:04:00 -
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Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: Additionally, I'd like to point out that while the bot might not disappear over night after being reported, it is really important that you guys keep reporting bots. I won't go into details why, but rest assured that it's something that you can do to help in the war on bots.
Ok, lets put it in other words: Let us assume I find a bot (a real one) and I report it. That will lead to: that Bot will go, soon (TM). (whatever soon means)? As someone who doesn't represent CCP in any way I can say what they can't:
Even if you are 100% sure you have flagged a real bot, you could still be wrong.
If it's just some guy with a clever multi-boxing setup (as I have seen done with effectively sticks and string before), it might look to you like a botting operation and be perfectly within the rules despite that.
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Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
212
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:15:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: Additionally, I'd like to point out that while the bot might not disappear over night after being reported, it is really important that you guys keep reporting bots. I won't go into details why, but rest assured that it's something that you can do to help in the war on bots.
Ok, lets put it in other words: Let us assume I find a bot (a real one) and I report it. That will lead to: that Bot will go, soon (TM). (whatever soon means)? As someone who doesn't represent CCP in any way I can say what they can't: Even if you are 100% sure you have flagged a real bot, you could still be wrong. If it's just some guy with a clever multi-boxing setup (as I have seen done with effectively sticks and string before), it might look to you like a botting operation and be perfectly within the rules despite that. You are 100% right, and that is the reason behind that . And I hoped everyone would understand that i mean: "That char is really a bot" and not "I belive it is a bot". Just for clarification...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3277
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:17:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:Sreegs dude... You talk a lot about respect and wasting time but avoid direct questions which only makes us ask them repeatedly thinking maybe you have a comprehension problem (*shrug* some people do). Don't get mad at us for hating "politically-correct double-talk say-nothing" answers to real questions. Nobody is asking you to divulge secrets. We just want guarantees that innocent players won't fall into your scripts. If you think waiting weeks in a petition queue is in any way an answer to the issue then you are so wrong I can't even begin to explain it to you.
He answered the question like 10 damb times: "We'll evaluate each case if, as and when it happens".
Maybe you don't like that answer. That doesn't mean he's going to give you one you like better if you ask for the 11th time.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Vulcan23
New Eden Advanced Experiments
1
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Par'Gellen wrote:Sreegs dude... You talk a lot about respect and wasting time but avoid direct questions which only makes us ask them repeatedly thinking maybe you have a comprehension problem (*shrug* some people do). Don't get mad at us for hating "politically-correct double-talk say-nothing" answers to real questions. Nobody is asking you to divulge secrets. We just want guarantees that innocent players won't fall into your scripts. If you think waiting weeks in a petition queue is in any way an answer to the issue then you are so wrong I can't even begin to explain it to you. He answered the question like 10 damb times: "We'll evaluate each case if, as and when it happens". Maybe you don't like that answer. That doesn't mean he's going to give you one you like better if you ask for the 11th time.
A mere combination of words does not a meaningful answer make. Especially when those words are presented in a context that suggests that the problems at issue were not properly understood in the first place, rendering empty answers even emptier. It also doesn't help that the 'answer' is surrounded by contradictory statements that at one moment state that there is literally nothing to worry about and then at the next moment state that the needs of a 'niche' playstyle (a niche playstyle! in MY sandbox?) will not affect the way he proceeds. So, it is really not surprising that people continue to ask for clarification in response to such a complex of empty phrases, contradictory statements, and expressions of a lack of concern for the issues at hand (which in any case seem not to have been properly understood). |
Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:31:00 -
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Vulcan23 wrote:A mere combination of words does not a meaningful answer make. Especially when those words are presented in a context that suggests that the problems at issue were not properly understood in the first place, rendering empty answers even emptier. It also doesn't help that the 'answer' is surrounded by contradictory statements that at one moment state that there is literally nothing to worry about and then at the next moment state that the needs of a 'niche' playstyle (a niche playstyle! in MY sandbox?) will not affect the way he proceeds. So, it is really not surprising that people continue to ask for clarification in response to such a complex of empty phrases, contradictory statements, and expressions of a lack of concern for the issues at hand (which in any case seem not to have been properly understood).
No, Sreegs clearly stated that each case would be dealt with on an "if it happens, we'll look into it" basis before stating that it hasn't yet as far as he could tell.
But people like you just won't let it go because you want guarantees about your game style being "protected".
Give it a rest will you. The rate you're headed I wouldn't be surprised if war decs started coming your way some time soon.
PAN
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Par'Gellen
24
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:36:00 -
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Vulcan23 wrote:A mere combination of words does not a meaningful answer make. Especially when those words are presented in a context that suggests that the problems at issue were not properly understood in the first place, rendering empty answers even emptier. It also doesn't help that the 'answer' is surrounded by contradictory statements that at one moment state that there is literally nothing to worry about and then at the next moment state that the needs of a 'niche' playstyle (a niche playstyle! in MY sandbox?) will not affect the way he proceeds. So, it is really not surprising that people continue to ask for clarification in response to such a complex of empty phrases, contradictory statements, and expressions of a lack of concern for the issues at hand (which in any case seem not to have been properly understood). ^ This!
I've read the entire thread and see nothing at all in any of Sreegs' answers that reassures me I won't get flagged for buying/selling something on the market from/to an RMT. One moment he is telling us it never happens then almost in the same breath telling us that when it happens (wait... what?) that the solution is to go sit in a petition queue for weeks. That is not an acceptable answer.
Also I'd like to point out that being a member of your company's customer service department has nothing at all to do with the basic level of courtesy and professionalism you should show while representing that company. Especially to customers. To err is human, but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Sri Bolyn
Disciples of the Void
4
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:DeODokktor wrote:[quote=saiy'an]
STUFF!!!!!
I dont think i'll ask this dev any more questions, as he asked me to stop spreading lies. Asking a question is not a lie, but he's a dev and I guess he doesnt understand the difference. If I asked you nicely once to stop lying and you didn't listen what am I to do? Here's the difference. I have a question what is a butt? That's a question... I have a question 2000 pages of text ending in "so the market blah blah blah" is not a question. In short get out.
Dear CCP Sreegs,
I think you are at your sexiest when you get a strident with the trolls. Never stop roasting!
Sincerely, Sri
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
96
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:43:00 -
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Neo Agricola wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: Additionally, I'd like to point out that while the bot might not disappear over night after being reported, it is really important that you guys keep reporting bots. I won't go into details why, but rest assured that it's something that you can do to help in the war on bots.
Ok, lets put it in other words: Let us assume I find a bot (a real one) and I report it. That will lead to: that Bot will go, soon (TM). (whatever soon means)? As someone who doesn't represent CCP in any way I can say what they can't: Even if you are 100% sure you have flagged a real bot, you could still be wrong. If it's just some guy with a clever multi-boxing setup (as I have seen done with effectively sticks and string before), it might look to you like a botting operation and be perfectly within the rules despite that. You are 100% right, and that is the reason behind that . And I hoped everyone would understand that i mean: "That char is really a bot" and not "I belive it is a bot". Just for clarification... Let's just say that all of the choice criteria I've seen for identifying a 'bot operation in-game are more likely to flag a perfectly legitimate multi-boxing operation.
Unless you are talking about a case where you were IRL shoulder surfing a fellow player, saw them botting that way, and reported them for it *you were probably wrong*.
And even if you were right, there are reasons (like an ongoing investigation to track down the members of an RMT operation) where a banning for a legitimately identified bot might be delayed for weeks. |
Vulcan23
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Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:
No, Sreegs clearly stated that each case would be dealt with on an "if it happens, we'll look into it" basis before stating that it hasn't yet as far as he could tell.
Which in no way answers the concerns that have been raised. That is a completely empty response with zero information content that offers no useful response to those who asked questions.
Quote: But people like you just won't let it go because you want guarantees about your game style being "protected".
Negative info would be just as useful.
Quote:Give it a rest will you. The rate you're headed I wouldn't be surprised if war decs started coming your way some time soon. PAN
Nothing would make me happier than fighting off wardecs from CCP fanboys defending the honour of a former goon developer who trolls customers with legitimate questions. The multi-layered ironies would be priceless. |
Padme Amidala Naberrie
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Vulcan23 wrote:Which in no way answers the concerns that have been raised. That is a completely empty response with zero information content that offers no useful response to those who asked questions.
Yes it does, you just can't accept the answer. That's your problem not the rest of the communities and we are, quiet frankly, getting sick of your whining.
Vulcan23 wrote:Negative info would be just as useful.
You've had the info you asked for, you're just too immature to accept the answer because it's not the answer you want.
Vulcan23 wrote:Nothing would make me happier than fighting off wardecs from CCP fanboys defending the honour of a former goon developer who trolls customers with legitimate questions. The multi-layered ironies would be priceless.
And there, in a nutshell, is all we need to know about you. Dismissing me as a "fanboy" while making snide remarks about Sreeg being a former Goon with the clear intention of dissing him and of being unimpartial without having the balls to come out and say it. Why else bring up Sreeg's being a former Goon?
And I am no fanboy. I despise the Goons - check my thread calling for their disbanding - and have criticised CCP when I felt they deserved it but am getting, quite frankly, sick of your incessant whining and refusal to accept the answer given to you while claiming you have had "no answer" because you haven't got the answer you want.
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