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Trovax
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:25:00 -
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Just now i had 2 players hand me all their stuff and litterally cancel their accounts there and then. Surely this isnt the effect CCP was after?
WITHOUT SOUNDING LIKE IM WHINING (cos im really honestly not not), but i think CCP need to re-think the missile nerf that just happened, even if it mean rethinking the speed nerf too. Quite a few people in my corp have trained for missile skills, due to the nature of our corp we require them. However over the last couple of days Alot of my crew have been perturbed by the nerfing. Honestly i dont mind, but one thing that does bother me is the fact that people have spent months and even years training for longer range, faster speed, faster ROF, etc... only to have it all 'cut back'. Some of my crew feel like they have been put back to the beginning with their training, or felt like they have wasted the time training certain skills when they could have been training others.
Personally i have been training for Manticore and covert ops ever since i laid eyes on it, although i havent tried yet, im getting the impression from the others that my 212km strike range has been reduced to nothing. To be perfectly honest, with the fact that the manticore is built from minmatar leftovers, and has the tank of a choclate teapot, my range was indeed my tank, even though cruise missiles didnt really do much damage with a single bomber anyway (although i did manage to take out a harpy once on my own), but with a few of us we could be of some use in combat. I certainly think that those ships that dont have the option to really use anything else should have been given a little more consideration. Not to mention the time that all the players, not just my crew, but all those out of the 250'000 players that play eve, have now lost their edge which they spent time and real money training.
Im sure the same thoughts apply to all those that enjoyed buzzing around me in their interceptors at 9000m/s killin my manticores when i fukked up and forgot to cloak.
As a whole.... im not sure the two nerfs were even necessary. things were ok as they were. So far i have enjoyed all of what eve has had to offer, yeah ive not been happy with some of it, but eventually gotten to understand why and eventually enjoyed it too. But this is a bit of a chunk thats been removed, not just for me but for all players.
Anyways. Nuf said.
"I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:27:00 -
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Those who do not die will be made stronger.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 13/11/2008 22:27:37
You do realise cruise range has not been changed?
Anyway if more quit can i haz their stuff?
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Nakimoto
Caldari
Unnatural Growth
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:29:00 -
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willing to take percentage of stuff my way
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:29:00 -
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Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
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 Originally by: CCP Oveur
Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Fighting While Intoxicated
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 13/11/2008 22:30:22
Look, lots of mission runners will cry, but I doubt that many will actually quit, and if they do, good riddance.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Officer Deteis
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:31:00 -
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the Nerf was total BS to caldari mission runners. heavy missiles and cruise missiles do crap to smaller ships now and when you are in a raven with cruise missiles you now have a short mission take forever.
I agree 100% with you, Trovax :)
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ebonyivory
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Those who do not die will nerfed until they do die, then nerfed again to make sure.
fixed it for you
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Everyone Dies
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 13/11/2008 22:33:17
Originally by: Karentaki
Edited by: Karentaki on 13/11/2008 22:30:22
Look, lots of mission runners will cry, but I doubt that many will actually quit, and if they do, good riddance.
Mission runners use that many stealth bomber in missions? Must have been doing something wrong all the time.
Assuming they are mission runners, missions still work fine with missiles. Havent done pvp with missiles so cant comment on that.
However also taking account your post before you editted it, i think you got serious issues and you might need help.
@officer, ever tried hitting an orbitting frig in a turret BS? USE DRONES
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: ebonyivory
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Those who do not die will be made stronger.
I am one of the weak, soon to perish.
Hmm.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:37:00 -
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THAT'S WHAT HE SAID!
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Trovax
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Assuming they are mission runners, missions still work fine with missiles. Havent done pvp with missiles so cant comment on that.
However also taking account your post before you editted it, i think you got serious issues and you might need help.
@officer, ever tried hitting an orbitting frig in a turret BS? USE DRONES[/quote
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
"I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" |
Plim
Gallente
Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:37:00 -
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This patch seems to have irritated people more than any patch ever. I've been playing since 2003 and i'm not sure if I can remember seeing this volume of forum rage.
Personally I haven't felt effected by these changes (although I haven't tested my missiles yet, and I supported the nano-nerf). However the sheer number of ****ed off people implies that CCP may have gone too far. We'll see how things go in the next few weeks.
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Bashia Verloren
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Everyone Dies
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
uh-huh. sure.
whereas crazy old McFail and Gov Failin (or, the Maverick and the MILF) would have actually been the end of the end of the US
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Officer Deteis
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:43:00 -
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lets leave this on the topic of eve. . . . XD
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 13/11/2008 22:46:05
Originally by: Trovax
Originally by: Furb Killer
Assuming they are mission runners, missions still work fine with missiles. Havent done pvp with missiles so cant comment on that.
However also taking account your post before you editted it, i think you got serious issues and you might need help.
@officer, ever tried hitting an orbitting frig in a turret BS? USE DRONES
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
*Furb thinks really hard*
Yeah i did worlds collide yesterday in a CNR (serious). There seems to be only a small group of hardcore whiners who insist on shooting frigates with cruise missiles. DONT DO IT. I still can kill destroyers fine with cruise missiles (allthough i prefer medium drones vs them). If you cant kill the scramming frigs before your ship blows up, you are doing it wrong. (When you got 60 ships shooting you including 5 scrammers in worlds collide you are also doing it wrong).
Anyway i even measured time on worlds collide (wanted to go check if CNR or navy mega was faster, cnr with some t2 stuff and much named, mega faction fitted, t2 skills for everything, quite some sp in gunnery, much less in missiles, barely in shield tanking). But i decided it isnt worth it to compare to to navy mega since it is pretty obvious CNR is still faster. Serpentis used to be the rats where navy mega could compete with CNR, but CNR has been boosted against many npcs, especially serpentis in quantum rise. (group your cruise missiles and defenders are neglectable). It took me 40 minutes to complet worlds collide in a CNR.
Edit: Not to mention my CNR has no target painter (seriously doubt it will get one), and got a large shield booster with cap power relay (4 BCS ftw), and a t1 boost amp (t2 one requires me training a skill to lvl 5, way too much work). And still it does fine.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:50:00 -
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Why should I care about players who laregely play the game solo or in insular groups? Its not like your quitting will have any effect on the way I play MY game. Now, if you missioned in lowsec with your CNR's more I might cry when you quit.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Those who do not die will be made stronger.
Please.... paraphrasing a Nihilist on the Eve Online forums is not allowed.
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Opertone
Caldari
SIEGE.
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:54:00 -
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those who do not die are left alone in the play ground :(
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MrTripps
Gallente
Penumbra Squadron
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:55:00 -
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Welcome to what Gal players have been going through for the last two years.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:56:00 -
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My Autocannons still work.. I happy 
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:56:00 -
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jesus is it really that hard to fit a target painter?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:58:00 -
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not a rick roll
This may help you with the transition
SKUNK
Originally by: CCP Navigator
People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
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Oftherocks
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:00:00 -
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Even I am getting tired of these whines..... and I was the first one to whine about it
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
No, i play hello kitty online and just paid for 5 years to come here and make comments about stuff i know nothing about and Wranglers pants.
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Market Bandit
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:00:00 -
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what's this!? having to think about running the mission rather than locking and f1-f8 until it's done.......
light.....drones.......!!??? 
painters......webs.....!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Madness I tell you! What happened to my easy missions! I DEMAND THAT CCP FIX THIS NONSENSE IMMEDIATELY OR I WILL CANCEL MY 556 CNR MISSION RUNNING ACCOUNTS
/sarcasm off
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:09:00 -
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All this talk about dying or getting stronger has reminded me of a song.
When I look out there, it makes me glad I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive.
I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.
I feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.
While you're dying I'll be still alive.
And when you're dead I will be still alive.
STILL ALIVE
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Foulque
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Why should I care about players who laregely play the game solo or in insular groups? Its not like your quitting will have any effect on the way I play MY game. Now, if you missioned in lowsec with your CNR's more I might cry when you quit.
Yus ^^
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:11:00 -
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Hey, you guys all remember when Amarr were the laughing stock of Eve? 
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 13/11/2008 23:11:57
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
the second M in MMORPG stands for "multiplayer"
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Arri Gato
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:12:00 -
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Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Arri Gato
ok, that name is adorable
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
]All this talk about dying or getting stronger has reminded me of a song.
Linkage
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Roy Batty68
]All this talk about dying or getting stronger has reminded me of a song.
Linkage
Here's another one appropriate to the whole dying or getting stronger theme (plus looks like a cool game as a bonus):
Still Alive
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Skywalker
Minmatar
Darkness and Chaos
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Skywalker on 13/11/2008 23:27:27
I got around 15 mill in missile skills, still i think this was a good nerf that will balance the game.
Only bad part is that it favours armor tankers. Since med slots will be used for painters etc.
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Lone Gunman
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Everyone Dies
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
I think the Obama Quote "You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig". is more applicable here.
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Sylper Illysten
Caldari
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arri Gato
Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
Because they have an additional set of drawbacks, flight time and lower dps. If missiles now share the same drawbacks as turrets, their unique drawbacks should be removed.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Arri Gato
ok, that name is adorable
That name brightened my day.
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Daitanfutekina Unsoya
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:36:00 -
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skillpoints in missiles regaurdless, lets look at how hard they are hit..
Torpedos for example, used against a battleship driving towards you in a mission will actually shed damage just by moving.
Now, I just watched a video on the 10th ironically where a nice officer shield tanked rattlesnake was shooting a megathron..
so Large guns vs Torps
In the video he had 1 point. and the mega, intent on dealing some damage got nice and close to the rattle.
so there he is, big and slow in the rattlesnakes face, getting torped to death..
had the rattle been using tech2 gear instead of meta 13 gear it would've been a near even fight.
But try the same thing after the 11th..
Anything and I mean anything with an afterburner will speed tank the **** out of torpedos.
I hate to think what the pilot in the movie I watched is thinking now that the rattle/raven/cnr he has in his hanger is useless
he's still got a bhaalgorn/vidy/navymega...
so about 50% of his billion isk per peice ships are down the drain.
even with a web its not enough to deal more damage with those missiles then a blaster boat.
and the officer webs? lol 17km? 2km more then a domi/ts web? what the **** ccp.
return those to their original state. they should've been made stronger this patch by keeping their stats, not nerf the **** out of them "in line" with the other webs.
the whole point in them being officer is for them to be vastly ahead of the meta below them
You made this game, and yet im forced to ask if you know what an OXY-MORON is.
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Gunner Chick
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:41:00 -
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yea baby...now maybe some real pvp will start happening. let em go bro..they were just holding you back.
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Tsotha lanti
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tsotha lanti on 13/11/2008 23:52:55
Originally by: Trovax
Originally by: Furb Killer
Assuming they are mission runners, missions still work fine with missiles. Havent done pvp with missiles so cant comment on that.
However also taking account your post before you editted it, i think you got serious issues and you might need help.
@officer, ever tried hitting an orbitting frig in a turret BS? USE DRONES[/quote
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
yes i have done a lv4 worlds collide in a raven. It works fine. I've even had 5 scram's on me and 4 webs while i was doing it. It took all of a few minutes for my 5 light drones to go through that handful of elite frigs. And boohoo you're handful of players only trained for missiles and nothing else. That is what, like 8 skills each of which takes all of maybe 10 days tops to get to level 5 barring cruise/torpedo and the other long one? Be grateful you werent training minmatar and required to train every skill tree for your ships.
Oh, and there are hardly 60 ships in any of those rooms. At best maybe 6-7 battleships. If you trying to solo the bonus room on the angel extravanza then maybe your hyperbole would be less apprent.
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My Sister
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Market Bandit
what's this!? having to think about running the mission rather than locking and f1-f8 until it's done.......
FYI its F1-F7 and yes we do have to think about our missions already - keeping a close eye on Cap/Tank/Triggers and kill order require a reasonable amount of attention. Raven tanks are a lot more fragile than armour tanks. a guy in my guild perma runs 2240 per 11 secs on his armour tank with 75+ resists all round wish i could no brain it like he does.
Originally by: Market Bandit
light.....drones.......!!???
Meds are still better - and are only viable in certain situations. in many situations using them will only get the rest of the pocket aggro on them and on you as soon as they either evaporate or get recalled.
Originally by: Market Bandit
painters......webs.....!?!?!?!?!?!?!
please enlighten me with your "4 slot tank setup" im really interested in your ideas since i can already see you thought this out carefully <---saracasm
Originally by: Market Bandit
Madness I tell you! What happened to my easy missions! I DEMAND THAT CCP FIX THIS NONSENSE IMMEDIATELY OR I WILL CANCEL MY 556 CNR MISSION RUNNING ACCOUNTS
no ones mad about missions being harder really. and btw they are not. the general perception has been that since missiles have ben second rate in pvp for as long as i remember it has been accepted that the balance to that was a slight superiority in the PVE arena. now however they are **** all round
Painters dont do that much at all by themselves and are range limited im about to test them in conjunction with webbers. - however to make this viable i'll need that info on the 4 slot tank ASAP thanks.
on the flip side fitting an AB made juggernaught torps hit me for only 48 HP each and cruise for about 27 each which makes it a great missile tanking mod - now if only i could arange to only get missions against missile ships... too bad it wont do **** against lasers or guns. the frightening thing is my missiles are gunna be sooo crap against any ship with an AB fitted. the final nail in the PVP coffin for caldari missile boats.
Originally by: Market Bandit
/sarcasm off
your sarcasm was crap anyway dont bother turning it on again.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:32:00 -
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OK.
For those haveing trouble with Missions heres the setup for a golem.
4 hardeners, one invul, one target painter, one extra Large Shield booster. this'll get you a 90/92% resist for kin/therm, or about an 80-85% resist for any 2 resist types depending on the npc's in your missions.
Lows 2 PDS's, one Damage control and one BCS.
DRONES
5 Light, 2 web.
You sic the light drones on the Frigates AFTER you get full pocket agro.
You then kill the BS's just like normal. Then the BC's. Then the Cruisers.
If you have trouble with a BS, then TP it. Usually not needed. If it's one that will not turn off it's AB, then you skip it till you've killed everything else.
You then pull in your light drones, sic your 2 Web drones on it, TP it, and kill it like normal.
I've been running lvl 4's all day off and on and I've not come across any mission where I had issues.
The light drones kill off the frigs faster then the mediums did. The TP helps me kill smaller ships easier.
Frigs.. 2 volleys of 4 cruise missile's.
Destroyers - Single Volley of 4 Cruise missile's.
Cruisers - Single Volley of 4 Cruise missiles(or two if it's ABing.
BC's - Still 2-3 volleys with 4 Cruise missiles.
BS's - Vary greatly depending on race/type. Killing BS's has slowed down a little, simply due to the fact that I no longer use my drones to assist on the BS's. The damage they do is minimal. Where as T2 mediums helped some by canceling out their rep.
Still no issues.
Then again.. I have all drone skills to 4 and some to 5. TP Skills to 4 and 5. And Cruise missile skills to 4 and 5.
Now..The above is for missions.
For PVP it's basically the same thing, but different. You use light drones as defence against small ships.
You still use your Target painter.
You may need a corp mate or 3 to tackle for web/scram. EVERY ship that is small enough to move quickly needs a web/scram now. You may even want to invest in a corp mate who can use a hugin/Rapier. Inties/AF's/Frigates are once again your friends.
Though what they did to Stealth Bombers is a different story. I think it hurt them a little too much, but we'll probobly see some balanceing of that soon. Hopefully.
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Political Prisoner
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
PP quote .... YOU ARE GHEY
Respectfully,
Political Prisoner
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Ocih
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:03:00 -
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Usually I am the pitty monger. The one who tries to make people feel better. I understand being frustrated.
I do have to wonder though, how many of these same people crowing quit and I het this and it sucks, were the same ones in here shooting cliches at me like 'Can I has your stuffs' and '/fail' and on and on an on. The same ones with thier nano vagas and wtfpwn mobile Ravens.
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: NightF0x on 14/11/2008 01:28:40
Edited by: NightF0x on 14/11/2008 01:27:55
Originally by: MrTripps
Welcome to what Gal players have been going through for the last two years.
hehe, yeah the NOS nerf really screwed my setups. I was going through some old notes today and came across several Mega setups that were NOS heavy. I don't even own a NOS module anymore...lol Then there was the whole drone nerf that really put a hamper on several Gal ships and setups. Everyone learns to adapt and come out ahead. Same will happen with QR...just give it time
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Ticondrius
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Edited by: Faife on 13/11/2008 23:11:57
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
the second M in MMORPG stands for "multiplayer"
No, it stands for 'Men'. See my sig.
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RABBLE! RABBLERABBLE!!
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DWEr
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:46:00 -
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how about you guys who are constantly moaning about this 'nerf' get a grip. just because you can no longer just mash f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 and not worry about actually having to consider optimal ranges and so on. now you are suffering because you became so inherently lazy with your missiles, you have the nerve to post whines about missiles now requiring some intelligence to use....
adapt or die. or quit.
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The BringerofOrder
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius
Originally by: Faife
Edited by: Faife on 13/11/2008 23:11:57
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
the second M in MMORPG stands for "multiplayer"
No, it stands for 'Men'. See my sig.
What is so wrong with wanting to play a multiplayer game, to play it solo? I like to play this game mainly solo, but i do so in a multiplayer universe instead of single player so i can shoot other "people".
What is so wrong with wanting to do it that way? I never understand when people quote the "M" in MMORPG's as a reason for HAVING to play with other people!
What if you just play to shoot those other people and not fly along side them?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:55:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 14/11/2008 01:56:27
Originally by: The BringerofOrder
Originally by: Ticondrius
Originally by: Faife
Edited by: Faife on 13/11/2008 23:11:57
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
the second M in MMORPG stands for "multiplayer"
No, it stands for 'Men'. See my sig.
What is so wrong with wanting to play a multiplayer game, to play it solo? I like to play this game mainly solo, but i do so in a multiplayer universe instead of single player so i can shoot other "people".
What is so wrong with wanting to do it that way? I never understand when people quote the "M" in MMORPG's as a reason for HAVING to play with other people!
What if you just play to shoot those other people and not fly along side them?
No, ships undocked when not in gang mode with 10 people should self destruct to entice more 'M' in multiplayer.
I propose that unless you're in a 1000 man alliance, you should not be allowed to undock. It's ******ed how we have these small corporations and stuff! Seriously, it's silly. EVE is about major powers duking it out over 0.0 space, not that small corporation crap.
Having 4-5 alliances you could join is what we need in EVE, to make it trully Massively Multiplayer.
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Bohoba
Caldari
HolyKnights
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:56:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Arri Gato
Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
I don't know maybe becasue they are differnt well..... were differant
ccp goal = 1 race 1 ship 1 gun, everything is the same
10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
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Piper Halliwell
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
If you have 60 ships attacking you, you are doing it wrong. If you can't figure out how to rework a ship so it works for you, you fail. Quit and contract me your stuff you whiny little B*TCH!
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:02:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Bohoba
Originally by: Arri Gato
Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
I don't know maybe becasue they are differnt well..... were differant
ccp goal = 1 race 1 ship 1 gun, everything is the same
Which is why Caldari are range-based, EWar-based, hybrid-based, and yet still a load of whiners thinks they're entirely missile reliant. It speaks far worse of the whiners than it does of CCP, who have clearly given Caldari players a host of options even if they don't want to cross-train.
Also, hasn't it been more than 10 hours since you said your character had 10 hours left to biomassing, or was that someone else?
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Ragnar Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Arri Gato
Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
Because they don't have the same advantages as large turrets. Missiles used to be the jack of all trades, master of none. Not particularly great at anything, but good at most things, making them ideal for PVE. Now missiles are the master of jack s*&%.
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Mistress Frome
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Piper Halliwell
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
If you have 60 ships attacking you, you are doing it wrong.
This. You didn't die because of cruise changes. You died because you got full aggro in a lv4 wc.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:13:00 -
[56]
Whoa whoa, wait.....TWO people?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Hotice
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:16:00 -
[57]
I have more skill points in gunnery than missile. I fly all ships(besides titan. ) from all the races. Here is what I see problem with this new missile change.
From distance, large guns have no problem killing anything from spider drones to ceptors. They die in one or two volley no problem. Large guns have proble kiling small ships from sub 10km range without web. However, the current missile situation made missiles nearly useless against small and/or fast flying(more than 350m/s) ships from ANY distance. This is very wrong! On top of that, even batteships flying at 300m/s+ speed can speed tank torp/curise far better than you could compare to large guns. Even with 1400mm arti, I have no problem hitting battleship size ships with better dps than torp/curise.
It is clearly that CCP over did it. Large guns/curise/torp against BC/Battleship size should hit same dps range regardless speed of the target. Consider they are designed to combat the large size ships. At same time, missiles should be able to kill small and fast moving small ships from range just like large guns could. Otherwise, you got to allow people to load light missiles with ship bonus to deal with small ships.
The bottem line is that missile shouldn't be ineffective against small and/or fast moving ships from any range. This is the problem right now and needs to be fixed asap.
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:17:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Ragnar Darkstar
Originally by: Arri Gato
Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
Because they don't have the same advantages as large turrets. Missiles used to be the jack of all trades, master of none. Not particularly great at anything, but good at most things, making them ideal for PVE. Now missiles are the master of jack s*&%.
Another good point. Too bad it'll be ignored by the trolls on this forum
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:24:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Hey, you guys all remember when Amarr were the laughing stock of Eve?
this.
never even made the connection until now.
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Pasha Cracken
Caldari
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:45:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Everyone Dies
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
this
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:47:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 14/11/2008 02:50:56
Originally by: Pasha Cracken
Originally by: Everyone Dies
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
this
Yeah raising taxes on the upper class to levels lower than they were following World War II is just... I mean, how could we NOT think that by 2012 we'll all either be in gulags or working the collective farms?
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Oftherocks
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.14 02:50:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Yeah raising taxes on the upper class to levels lower than they were following World War II is just... I mean, how could we NOT think that by 2012 we'll all either be in gulags or working the collective farms?
Out of Pod is that way 
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
No, i play hello kitty online and just paid for 5 years to come here and make comments about stuff i know nothing about and Wranglers pants.
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.14 03:04:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Oftherocks
Out of Pod is that way
Actually, you aren't allowed to talk politics in Out of Pod.
Democrat Underground that way
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.14 03:28:00 -
[64]
This just in: players are quitting a game because they suck at it. Sources say that instead of trying to improve their play, they are whining to the creators for cheats so that only they can win and no one else.
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http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.14 03:29:00 -
[65]
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
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[Video] The Cruise |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 03:36:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
This just in: players are quitting a game because they suck at it. Sources say that instead of trying to improve their play, they are whining to the creators for cheats so that only they can win and no one else.
Yeah, because whining has never done anything... ohwai...
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Chucky
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:44:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Lone Gunman
Originally by: Everyone Dies
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
I think the Obama Quote "You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig". is more applicable here.
If you put a Chimp in a suit, is it still a Chimp?
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Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:48:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
This just in: players are quitting a game because they suck at everything excepting massive whining and demonstrating how stupid they are.
FYP
I'll go one further. Whiners should stop breathing through their mouths (or just stop breathing FULLSTOP).
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Kransthow
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 07:58:00 -
[69]
adapt and die
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.11.14 08:00:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 14/11/2008 08:00:49
Confirming that I will be receiving all the quitters stuff.
If anyone is quitting the US because they don't like Obama, I'll take their stuff too.
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Erim Kaluk
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2008.11.14 08:14:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Arri Gato
Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
This.
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Murk Loar
Polytope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:39:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Roy Batty68
All this talk about dying or getting stronger has reminded me of a song.
When I look out there, it makes me glad I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive.
I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.
I feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.
While you're dying I'll be still alive.
And when you're dead I will be still alive.
STILL ALIVE
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:42:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
"yes we can" |
F FLETCH
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:02:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Plim
This patch seems to have irritated people more than any patch ever. I've been playing since 2003 and i'm not sure if I can remember seeing this volume of forum rage.
Personally I haven't felt effected by these changes (although I haven't tested my missiles yet, and I supported the nano-nerf). However the sheer number of ****ed off people implies that CCP may have gone too far. We'll see how things go in the next few weeks.
I'm a 2003 player as well, I have a few accounts so life goes on but it is unreasonable to have spent years skilling a pilot to be a caldari missile expert in every field only to have a large percentage of it taken away in the blink of an eye. Yes I can still own you in a falcon (but not for long if people get there way), yes I still have uses and can mission if required, but I still can't help feeling like I have had one of my limbs cut off.
The only thing worse than some of the descions CCP make is the mess these forums have become over the last few years tbh.
No you can't have my stuff I will adapt but I'm entitled to an opinon which is a fact so many of the idiots on these forums seem to forget.
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:05:00 -
[75]
I don't understand it.
Ratting still goes fine in a Raven and last night I was top dps of a gang with my Cerb... |
chung lo
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:19:00 -
[76]
Edited by: chung lo on 14/11/2008 13:21:52
The problem i see is this a lot of new players have gone a traind up to fast into ships they carnt fly to full affect i.e the tech two missile boats and st****d on torps and cruise and not traind up anough skills to use them as intended, now im telling you this as i have the high level skills to use all the missiles in the game and i am having no problem with this patch. if you use big torps or cruise you can not hit fast moving targets that have a transversal speed greater than 0 or coming right at you and that how it should be.the problem is now that most pilots who are having trouble are not thinking out of the box, i.e if i carnt hit it with my big missile how can i hit that fast moving target thats clossing on me ?.
answers on a post card please to blue peter.
hint : drones or better skill training or even work as a team with your corp mates.
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SCHLAMPEvomDIENST
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:30:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Arri Gato
Why is it wrong when large missiles have the same drawbacks as large turrets?
Because Large Missiles are not Large Turrets!!
Enough explained?
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Squably
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:31:00 -
[78]
So you lost deadweight who don't know how to adept to new situations and you got their stuff.
thats a true win/win situation, dont complain be happy.
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Alia Xii
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:43:00 -
[79]
I, by nature, am a long range missile spammer. I like to sit a billiongagillion kilometres away, fire my cruises and watch them pop. Am I bothered by this so-called "nerf"? No! I just fit target painters.
As people have said so many times before... adapt or die.
If they die, can I have their stuff? If you die, can I have your stuff? |
Herring
Caldari
Incessant Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:23:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 13/11/2008 22:27:37
You do realise cruise range has not been changed?
Cruise range > target painter range so yes, cruise range has been nerfed. Unless you like the look of the little lights going boom that do no real damage.
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ouroboros trading
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:30:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Those who do not die will be made stronger.
apart from that guy in metallica's one video :( |
Rivur'Tam
X10 Punishment
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:39:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Roy Batty68
All this talk about dying or getting stronger has reminded me of a song.
When I look out there, it makes me glad I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive.
I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.
I feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.
While you're dying I'll be still alive.
And when you're dead I will be still alive.
STILL ALIVE
]Is this you in this vid
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I like teh secs and teh boobies |
ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:41:00 -
[83]
Originally by: F FLETCH
Originally by: Plim
This patch seems to have irritated people more than any patch ever. I've been playing since 2003 and i'm not sure if I can remember seeing this volume of forum rage.
Personally I haven't felt effected by these changes (although I haven't tested my missiles yet, and I supported the nano-nerf). However the sheer number of ****ed off people implies that CCP may have gone too far. We'll see how things go in the next few weeks.
I'm a 2003 player as well, I have a few accounts so life goes on but it is unreasonable to have spent years skilling a pilot to be a caldari missile expert in every field only to have a large percentage of it taken away in the blink of an eye. Yes I can still own you in a falcon (but not for long if people get there way), yes I still have uses and can mission if required, but I still can't help feeling like I have had one of my limbs cut off.
The only thing worse than some of the descions CCP make is the mess these forums have become over the last few years tbh.
No you can't have my stuff I will adapt but I'm entitled to an opinon which is a fact so many of the idiots on these forums seem to forget.
I just can't stop rofl'ing when I see people speccing in faildari for 3 years, it's so lame, train something else...
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CalMiner
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Posted - 2008.11.16 21:50:00 -
[84]
I used to do Mordus headhunter lvl 4 solo in my CNR within 40 minutes....shorter if i used t2 cruises....and now its a nightmare
i am switching to dominix...until it gets nerfed..........
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Harrent
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.16 22:06:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Harrent on 16/11/2008 22:06:15
Eve plays to a market of individuals that do not request to be doted on. They change the environment and the players are expected to create their own motives. That is the vision for Eve. Some players lack that and those are the ones that quit.
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They provide you an environment they consider fair, you deal with it and play the game as they want you to play it ;).
It says right in the user agreement that the game will change without notice. They changed it, it is more fair and is working more balanced (medium drones do not shoot things they are not inteded to anymore, Cruise missles shoot only larger itemsłas they were intedned to). We are expected to adapt and change our tactics :/, not change the rules back :).
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.16 22:10:00 -
[86]
Awww poor you. I have done headhunters twice since patch i think. Both were before i upgraded launchers and BCU into caldari navy ones, i think it took me 30 minutes, might have been toward 40, but definately not more than that. You got drones for a reason.
This was done without any missile skill on lvl 5 (well besides standard missiles which is req for cruise missiles iirc), with barely shield tanking skills, with a CNR, decent drone skills but nothing special, quite crappy cap skills, normal t1 missiles.
Now i upgrades all bcus and launchers to caldari navy ones, and it goes quite a bit faster, i really notice a decent difference. Then to imagine that after QR with the whines how raven is useless a best named fitted CNR with sucky skills completely outperforms a faction fitted navy mega with good gunnery skills, imagine the difference before QR with both ships faction fitting.
(btw my personal experience is that after QR you can run many missions faster due to weapons grouping which result in 7 times less defender missiles if you got a CNR, only mission which takes longer is those missions where you got to fly far, like worlds collide).
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Harrent
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.16 22:23:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Furb Killer
(btw my personal experience is that after QR you can run many missions faster due to weapons grouping which result in 7 times less defender missiles if you got a CNR, only mission which takes longer is those missions where you got to fly far, like worlds collide).
Id like to see that as per their formula it appears that a Defender missle is actually buffed. Even if you group the missles the Defender still takes out the equivilant of 1 missle, thereby keeping the same ratio.
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Fettabob
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Posted - 2008.11.16 22:36:00 -
[88]
well, just to add some PvP aspect in here. I challenged my friend to a 1v1 on SiSi, he flies a raven so i thought: "hehe he's been nerfed to hell, easykill!^^".
Man was I surprised when i landed on top of him in my mega. I saw my shields go instant-poof, followed by my armor taking heavy damage in a cloud of torpedo-explosions.
Apparently he had exchanged an inv. field for a TP and was hitting me for full damage.
As a result, he won AS USUAL! The match was a lot closer than it used to be, but it ended with me hitting hull a few seconds before he did, thus granting him the victory.
I guess torpedoes still hurt like hell if you're in a face-to-face BS-fight.
p.s. yes, yes i'm aware i suck at flying the Mega, and that he had no tackling stuff on his raven, but who tackles in a gank-raven anyway?
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.11.16 22:41:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Rivur'Tam
Originally by: Roy Batty68
All this talk about dying or getting stronger has reminded me of a song.
When I look out there, it makes me glad I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive.
I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.
I feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.
While you're dying I'll be still alive.
And when you're dead I will be still alive.
STILL ALIVE
]Is this you in this vid
Yeah. I'm the one clapping at the end. Yay! \o/
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.16 22:45:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Plim
This patch seems to have irritated people more than any patch ever. I've been playing since 2003 and i'm not sure if I can remember seeing this volume of forum rage.
Personally I haven't felt effected by these changes (although I haven't tested my missiles yet, and I supported the nano-nerf). However the sheer number of ****ed off people implies that CCP may have gone too far. We'll see how things go in the next few weeks.
Plim, think back a few years. Back to when sig radius and explosion velocity were first introduced (or for that matter tracking for turrets).
You'll notice that there was the same reaction on the boards, very nearly word for word and post for post. The only difference being that now there are a heck of a lot more people playing, and they tend to generate proportionately more and longer threads. Well, actually, it really isn't entirely proportional with the population... I would have expected even more response with our current population.
The point being, this was not unexpected... and this too shall pass.
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Johnny Dex
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Posted - 2008.11.16 22:59:00 -
[91]
I'm amazed of the amount of ******ness of some long playing "masters of missile ships". Its kinda obvious that missiles got nerfed allot(in general) this time and just because you still can "own" level 4 missions because of your "awesome" eve skills does not change that. And no, target painters with cruise missiles make no sense, even if some "masters" use them, but hey, lets all scream "can i have your stuff" and things like that, because we are all that cool and wise, we the "masters of eve".
PS: No, i'm not a missile user, still, that does not make me a *****... |
Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.16 23:06:00 -
[92]
Quote:
And no, target painters with cruise missiles make no sense, even if some "masters" use them, but hey, lets all scream "can i have your stuff" and things like that, because we are all that cool and wise, we the "masters of eve".
So, let me get this straight. You point is that experienced players are saying that with the new missile balancing a mod that is designed to increase the signature radius of your intended target helps a great deal and is a small adjustment to make... but people are supposed to ignore it because it "makes no sense" to use said module in combat and because it is recommended by the more experienced players?
Your logic escapes me.
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Sensor Ghost
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Posted - 2008.11.16 23:10:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Officer Deteis
the Nerf was total BS to caldari mission runners. heavy missiles and cruise missiles do crap to smaller ships now and when you are in a raven with cruise missiles you now have a short mission take forever.
I agree 100% with you, Trovax :)
Welcome to everyone else world! And drones are that way ->
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Stunna Shade
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Posted - 2008.11.16 23:12:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Stunna Shade on 16/11/2008 23:12:15
Adapt or cancel.
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Johnny Dex
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Posted - 2008.11.16 23:14:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Johnny Dex on 16/11/2008 23:15:33
Edited by: Johnny Dex on 16/11/2008 23:14:45
@Ranger 1:
Which part of my " you didnt get ? By "masters" i wasnt exactly saying "more experienced players", as i said, i'm not a missile user but cmon, TPs just dont have enough range to be useful with cruise missiles, in most situations, i think. Anyway, my point was that people are complaining for a good reason and i hate all the "can I have your stuff" dudes around. Being able to tank missiles with ABs its at least hilarious and this too makes no sense.
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Marconus Orion
Amarr
Astroglide X
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Posted - 2008.11.16 23:20:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Officer Deteis
the Nerf was total BS to caldari mission runners. heavy missiles and cruise missiles do crap to smaller ships now and when you are in a raven with cruise missiles you now have a short mission take forever.
I agree 100% with you, Trovax :)
They removed the Raven drone bay?! |
CRUSH BOSS
Caldari
BigMek Industries
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.16 23:39:00 -
[97]
I tryed my Cruise Golem with LVL 4 missions and found no change to the wake of distruction it left.
All relevant skills used for my set up are at LVL 5 including Golem LVL 5.
Train skills and stay out of ships you cant fly properly.
End of
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.16 23:45:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Johnny Dex
Edited by: Johnny Dex on 16/11/2008 23:15:33
Edited by: Johnny Dex on 16/11/2008 23:14:45
@Ranger 1:
Which part of my " you didnt get ? By "masters" i wasnt exactly saying "more experienced players", as i said, i'm not a missile user but cmon, TPs just dont have enough range to be useful with cruise missiles, in most situations, i think. Anyway, my point was that people are complaining for a good reason and i hate all the "can I have your stuff" dudes around. Being able to tank missiles with ABs its at least hilarious and this too makes no sense.
This is not meant to pick on you, just a few explanatory points.
I "got" your post, but I think you are reacting more to the people beating the drums on the forums than to the actual change itself. As you say, you are not a missile user.
I realize you believe people are complaining for a good reason, but you also have to realize that on these boards most people complain long before they think. This is a time honored tradition on the EVE-O boards, and sees renewed vigor both before and for a short time after every single patch or expansion that has tweaked how combat works. If I necro'd threads from when explosion velocity and explosion radius were first introduced to missile combat, and copy/pasted them into any one of these threads, you would not be able to tell the difference (including the "EVE will now die" variety.)
I do agree with you on the "can I haz your stuffz" comments, I find them a bit stale.
And lastly, ships using ABs being harder to hit squarely than ships that use MWDs makes perfect sense if you understand the combat system. The mechanic has always been that MWDs throw out enough electronic noise that it makes your sig radius go through the roof, making you easier to lock and easier to hit with missiles. The actual large velocity boost itself (along with all of the other speed enhancing game mechanics) negated this effect completely in many cases as your missiles either couldn't catch the ship or the ship simply outran the explosion. Now MWD's (and other mods) don't give you that escape factor you had before so more damage catches up with you (making that large sig radius actually be a liability again)... AB's on the other hand give you a good speed boost without making it easy for missiles to lock on and accurately track you.
So just relax, experiment, adapt... or in your particular case don't let the people who are temporarily getting themselves worked up affect you as much. They'll figure out what works, tweaks can be made if needed, and as I said before "this too shall pass".
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Chuck Tucker
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Posted - 2008.11.17 00:23:00 -
[99]
Originally by: CRUSH BOSS
Train skills and stay out of ships you cant fly properly.
End of
+1
I do not think its right when until now everybody and his mother knows that CNR=Iwin (mission runnning wise).
STFU u cheaters. Learn to play finally.
For me I think u should be nerfed triply harder.
Hate those semi-afk CNR runners I always stumble upon while probing.
Why da hell one race and one hecking ship should be of ultimate advantage among others ?
Suck it up, braindeads.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.11.17 00:41:00 -
[100]
Reasonable post and im agree eve will not die but if a BS class ammo (rage torpedos) need 2 TPs (with maxed skills)to do full damage to tier2 BS there is a problem .
Do i care ?No ,2 months and ill be unnerfable 
Originally by: Ranger 1
If I necro'd threads from when explosion velocity and explosion radius were first introduced to missile combat, and copy/pasted them into any one of these threads, you would not be able to tell the difference (including the "EVE will now die" variety.)
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.17 01:39:00 -
[101]
mah lazorz > ur mishulz
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Thudin
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Posted - 2008.11.17 11:49:00 -
[102]
Good changes, it was silly that a small ship moving fast would get destroyed by cruise missiles in the first place.
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Mr Bifta
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Posted - 2008.11.17 11:59:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Trovax
Originally by: Furb Killer
Assuming they are mission runners, missions still work fine with missiles. Havent done pvp with missiles so cant comment on that.
However also taking account your post before you editted it, i think you got serious issues and you might need help.
@officer, ever tried hitting an orbitting frig in a turret BS? USE DRONES[/quote
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
A set of light tech II drones should kill a scrambler frigate in about 20 seconds. Thats even with my mediocre drone skills
Another very good way to kill frigates is to use smart bombs.
You muct be aggroing the mission wrong as i can do worlds collide in a tech II fitted raven with no problems ( well maybe 1-2 warp outs)
Ill agree missions are more difficult with the missile nerf but still doable
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.11.17 12:25:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Trovax
WITHOUT SOUNDING LIKE IM WHINING (cos im really honestly not not)
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
Originally by: Trovax
Anyways. Nuf said.
Yep. I agree. Nuf said.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.17 13:30:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Faife
Edited by: Faife on 13/11/2008 23:11:57
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
the second M in MMORPG stands for "multiplayer"
The first one is for "Massively" and that doesn't work either.
Try a battle with as few as 30 players in the same grid sometime. I'm not sure since the patch but I won't be doing that again in a Command ship until I'm completely certain they've fixed it. The lag didn't last long for me though, but only cos I got podded and waking up in my new clone cleared the lag.
Not sure where everyone gets the RP from though, there aren't that many RP players in this game. It's more like MMOG.
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Rachel Voegel
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Posted - 2008.11.17 13:33:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Harrent
... Cruise missles shoot only larger itemsłas they were intedned to ...
People keep saying this, but CM Expl. Vel. is far lower than BS base speeds. So CMs don't fully hit larger ships.
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Daevonar
Minmatar
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.17 13:53:00 -
[107]
Quite a lot of people trained for missile skills for the very reason that they were without a shadow of a doubt the best weapon in the game, hell most pilots train missiles whether they are Caldari or not, I bet nearly half the players out there trained missiles as as their primary weapon of chocie.
Now they have been reduced slightly, and they are upset... I use missiles too, but I'm not going to cry about it... I'm glad they have actually given you a reason to think before deciding which weapons to train.
Missiles still, given an equal amount of training to guns, do more damage per shot to their intended size targets, can hit at range and close up with no reduction in damage or change to the chance of hitting, they have the best range of all the weapons, they are still. So it now does f'all damage to small targets now... oh... dear. Seriously try hitting a small target at close range with artillery, or any target at long range with autos then complain that missiles have been nerfed too much.
The range reduction only affects some missile types as well...
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Light, heavy and cruise precision missiles will now do more damage to smaller targets and will have a penalty of -50% range.
Rocket, assault missile and torpedo javelin missiles will now do -10% less damage but range has been increased by 50%.
Rage rocket, assault missiles and torpedoes and Fury light, heavy and cruise missiles will do less damage to their own ship class but will do more damage to a larger ship class. They will also have a -10% range reduction.
Only precision missiles have been drastically reduced in range.
Did you notice cruis missiles now do more damage to targets above their size group? or the range increase to assault missiles? |
Daevonar
Minmatar
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.17 14:01:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Daevonar on 17/11/2008 14:01:33
Originally by: Rachel Voegel
Originally by: Harrent
... Cruise missles shoot only larger itemsłas they were intedned to ...
People keep saying this, but CM Expl. Vel. is far lower than BS base speeds. So CMs don't fully hit larger ships.
Cruise missile expl. vel = 500
Average BS speed = 100-150
And yes skills can make speeds faster... but they can also increase expl. vel.
Even with a good AB these ships are slower than the expl. vel. of cruise missiles... |
MenanceWhite
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.11.17 14:10:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Rachel Voegel
Originally by: Harrent
... Cruise missles shoot only larger itemsłas they were intedned to ...
People keep saying this, but CM Expl. Vel. is far lower than BS base speeds. So CMs don't fully hit larger ships.
But Wait! That's not all! EVEN THE EXPLO. VEL. FOR LIGHT MISSILES AND ROCKETS ARE SUPER LOW NOW!!! OH NOES!! HOW COULD IT HAPPEN!!! LIGHT MISSILES AND ROCKETS MUST BE DOING 0 DAMAGE TO FRIGS NOW!! PAANICCCCC!!!
Perhaps if you actually read other peoples posts you'd know that the missile damage formula has been changed with more weight on sig radius than on speed. Maybe you would'nt seem as much as an ignorant idiot either. |
HowardStern
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Posted - 2008.11.17 14:23:00 -
[110]
Good, there are too many people playing Eve anyway.
More room for the rest of us. |
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Farmer Kamikaze
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Posted - 2008.11.17 16:16:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Forums
Pages of rage
I really don't understand the rage. I don't even have maxed out missile skills and I haven't changed a single module on my CNR post-patch. Half decent drone skills will not take 2 months to train and the small targets are sorted. The relatively low dps of missiles (and crap raven tank) was negated by the extreme range you got pre-patch (range tank?), but the fact that missiles never miss unless you are going really fast still gives them some compensation.
Oh, and drones kill for free. Cruise cost ISK. Think of it has cost saving. |
Vietone
Gallente
Mercury Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.17 16:36:00 -
[112]
Wow I hate people who dont bother to TEST out the missile changes before they even bother to complain about them.
Yes, I never expected to be able to use a battleship and effectively destroy frigates but I didn't complain and was one of the reasons why I never bothered flying smaller ships because a cruise missile would destroy them easily.
Missiles so far have changed nothing for mission runners. My alt flys a faction fitted CNR and I do missions FASTER, YES FASTER, than before the so called missile nerf. I wanted to see what difference it would make and its made mission running so much easier its not even funny.
If you have any battleship running mission, you should be using drones to fight frigates anyway. The cost of using cruise missiles to destroy some frigates ended up costing you more ISK to destroy a frigate than it was worth. The CNR has a 75m3 drone bay. That's enough for 5 mediums and 5 lights. More than enough to take on any frigate.
So yes, all the people complaining about the rebalance of missiles are whining. If a battleship class turret has a significant reduction in DPS to a frigate, a cruise missile should as well. Even then, if frigates are getting close to you, thats why you need a smartbomb.
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Dhejay Centrix
Caldari
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:36:00 -
[113]
Don't see the problems to be honest... Admittedly it's a bit harder to use rage torps to kill BS now but seeing as they were intended for shooting at structures that's not that bad. Cruise fitted CNR does missions fine post patch and I haven't really noticed the change in DPS since I know that battleship sized weapons haven't been any good against frigs for a couple of years since they changed missiles the last time, therefore I don't do it. Use DRONES ffs that's what they're for, get decent drone skills and fit tech 2 lights... They're fine for everything cruiser size and lower, everything else is easy to hit with cruise. |
Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:39:00 -
[114]
missiles are outdated technology. if the caldari want to stay competetive, they should invest into superior weapon systems. like lazoooors.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:40:00 -
[115]
"Wah, I cant afk mission anymore, Wah" |
wassssabi
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:01:00 -
[116]
speed nerf sux, i've cancelled my accounts also, 3 days left until eve-vaca begins
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:04:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 13/11/2008 22:46:05
Originally by: Trovax
Originally by: Furb Killer
Assuming they are mission runners, missions still work fine with missiles. Havent done pvp with missiles so cant comment on that.
However also taking account your post before you editted it, i think you got serious issues and you might need help.
@officer, ever tried hitting an orbitting frig in a turret BS? USE DRONES
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
*Furb thinks really hard*
Yeah i did worlds collide yesterday in a CNR (serious). There seems to be only a small group of hardcore whiners who insist on shooting frigates with cruise missiles. DONT DO IT. I still can kill destroyers fine with cruise missiles (allthough i prefer medium drones vs them). If you cant kill the scramming frigs before your ship blows up, you are doing it wrong. (When you got 60 ships shooting you including 5 scrammers in worlds collide you are also doing it wrong).
Anyway i even measured time on worlds collide (wanted to go check if CNR or navy mega was faster, cnr with some t2 stuff and much named, mega faction fitted, t2 skills for everything, quite some sp in gunnery, much less in missiles, barely in shield tanking). But i decided it isnt worth it to compare to to navy mega since it is pretty obvious CNR is still faster. Serpentis used to be the rats where navy mega could compete with CNR, but CNR has been boosted against many npcs, especially serpentis in quantum rise. (group your cruise missiles and defenders are neglectable). It took me 40 minutes to complet worlds collide in a CNR.
Edit: Not to mention my CNR has no target painter (seriously doubt it will get one), and got a large shield booster with cap power relay (4 BCS ftw), and a t1 boost amp (t2 one requires me training a skill to lvl 5, way too much work). And still it does fine.
I pvp, and even I know this
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Everyone Dies
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
I think you are too optimistic. George W Bush was the beginning of the end of the US.
A country ruled by a ****** who cant even speak properly is doomed.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Kherie Kali
Amarr
Hello KItty Entrepreneurs
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:22:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Kherie Kali on 17/11/2008 18:26:13
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
I think you are too optimistic. George W Bush was the beginning of the end of the US. A country ruled by a ****** who cant even speak properly is doomed.
Edit: So, Haraldhardrade, because Stephen Hawking can't speak well he's not fit to do anything because he's incompetent? How are your public speaking skills btw? When was the last time you went to give a teleconference watched by hundreds of millions?
I'm not saying I was for or against Bush, just saying that your assumptions are inherently flawed because you equate apples to oranges.
We were doomed the day we became complacent and let big business run our government (especially when they make considerable donations to certain house and senate members). The president isn't the only one that runs the gov't... checks and balances.
Anyway back on topic... as people here continue to whine and cry about missles, I frapsed a corp mate in a drake 1v1 other bc's that were pvp fitted and he won... so... I guess they aren't as 'dead' as everyone else complains about.
Also, I'd like to point out that when you MISS with a large turret you do 0 damage. When you HIT with a cruise missle it at least does 4 damage. Missing and hitting for low amounts is NOT the same thing. You pay a price for hitting your target 100% of the time (minus very few special cases, i.e. torps after an inty).
tl;dr: Drake killed myrm, cane, brutix 1v1 with pvp fits. When turrets miss it's 0 damage. Missles hit 100% minus a few rare cases which is the players fault to begin with.
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Machanara
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:33:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Machanara on 17/11/2008 18:35:25
I'm a heavy missle user and I really don't care about mission running.
The hugh problem here is the nerf to cruise and torps!! A BS moving 350m/s can speed-tank a fricking torp? You have GOT to be kidding me!!!
And not to mention that same BS being able to not get FULL damage from a cruise missle?? Being smaller than a torp? What the frack has this game come to. Seriously!
When a TORPEDO cannot do full dmg to the sized ship its supposed to be designed for, you have a fu*king serious flaw in your programming!
And compared to turrets now, its a fricking joke. Large turrets can hit anything at long range, full power. Speed doesn't matter and size has little relevance at those ranges. But yet missles got nerfed SO damn much compared to those turrets, missles will be thrown out the window and turrets will become the norm for just about all ship.
Seriously...why would I use a cruise missle to shoot a BS at say, 80km, where it will do maybe 60% of its dmg when I can use a large turret that won't be affected by its speed and do full dmg and possibl crits? It's really a no brainer.
Missles just got fu*ked, hard-core!
This needs to be re-adjusted very soon CCP.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:54:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Kherie Kali
Edit: So, Haraldhardrade, because Stephen Hawking can't speak well he's not fit to do anything because he's incompetent? How are your public speaking skills btw? When was the last time you went to give a teleconference watched by hundreds of millions?
First of all, Stephen Hawkings cant speak at all, but its not because hes an idiot. there are physical reasons for it. Don't even bother replying, its not him thats speaking, its a machine.
Quote:
I'm not saying I was for or against Bush, just saying that your assumptions are inherently flawed because you equate apples to oranges.
No I don't, that would be you. Unlike Bush who can speak because his body is in working conditions professor Hawking cant yet the machine that speaks for him speaks 10 times better than Geroge w Bush.
Lets cut to the chase here, lets be honest....if it hadn't been for the Bush dynasty and the billions of dollar they have, George Jr would never had been president. He would never have been in charge of anything but a mop.
Quote:
We were doomed the day we became complacent and let big business run our government (especially when they make considerable donations to certain house and senate members). The president isn't the only one that runs the gov't... checks and balances.
I partly agree. Partly, only.
during the last election, senator Kerry said "we ned to pay as we go", we need to be smart about our economy. Bush said "tax cuts, spend more".
Theres your result. |
Farmer Kamikaze
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:56:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Machanara
And not to mention that same BS being able to not get FULL damage from a cruise missle?? Being smaller than a torp? What the frack has this game come to. Seriously!
stuff
And compared to turrets now, its a fricking joke. Large turrets can hit anything at long range, full power. Speed doesn't matter and size has little relevance at those ranges. But yet missles got nerfed SO damn much compared to those turrets, missles will be thrown out the window and turrets will become the norm for just about all ship.
*blink*
*must resist urge to troll*
You've never used turrets before have you? Even when you hit you have a sliding range of damage possibilities, many of which are bad, hence the high rate of fire on guns. Short range guns have any combination of transverse speed, range and chance modifier to miss. Long range guns have a whole ship class bonus to make them hit better. And by long range we are talking sub 100km. I can get 120km in my CNR with one low slot module.
Missiles allow you to damage from long range and get out when things aren't going your way. Missile boats are probably never going to be solo pwnmobiles, but they have many useful characteristics that bolster their relatively low dps. |
Angel Lightbringer
Caldari
Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.17 19:10:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Angel Lightbringer on 17/11/2008 19:15:15
Originally by: CRUSH BOSS
I tryed my Cruise Golem with LVL 4 missions and found no change to the wake of distruction it left.
All relevant skills used for my set up are at LVL 5 including Golem LVL 5.
Train skills and stay out of ships you cant fly properly.
End of
Post so full of goodness. My skills ain't even maxed to V and my cruise Golem still does marvel. As was saying a corpmate earlier, maybe skills now do more than before. That's something to chew on.
Those who keep saying your Raven/CNR is broken, how many point in missile launchers do you have? How are side-skills (warhead upgrade, etc..) ?
Edit: And no, I don't even have a painter. Last time I tried, it never changed anything anyway on an NPC (was a frig) so the hell with it, for now... |
Kherie Kali
Amarr
Hello KItty Entrepreneurs
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Posted - 2008.11.17 19:25:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
I'm not saying I was for or against Bush, just saying that your assumptions are inherently flawed because you equate apples to oranges.
No I don't, that would be you. Unlike Bush who can speak because his body is in working conditions professor Hawking cant yet the machine that speaks for him speaks 10 times better than Geroge w Bush.
But a machine has no phobias, which was my point and it seemd to go WAY over your head. Each person is different and character traits differentiate what we are good and not good at. Just because he's a terrible public speaker doesn't mean he's ******ed. I would consider a few people I know to speak like complete fools and say they sound stupid, but they are also the same people who do get sent to different states and countried in order to fix very expensive machines. Just because they don't talk like they spent 10 years at an english for *****s school doesn't mean they aren't smart.
And yes, I'm going to bother replying because you obviously don't understand and once again equate how YOU percieve something to be the 100% truth. My point is that just because you are biased to believe that someone doesn't speak 100% perfect 100% of the time they are stupid. You, are a fool.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.17 19:44:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Kherie Kali
You, are a fool.
Ad hominem is your only argumet. Wont waste my time on you any more.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Kherie Kali
Amarr
Hello KItty Entrepreneurs
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Posted - 2008.11.17 21:35:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Kherie Kali
You, are a fool.
Ad hominem is your only argumet. Wont waste my time on you any more.
You are trying to get an easy out but it's not going to happen.
By all of your statements you equate public speaking ability to intelligence. That's the statement you made and now you were called on it. It's funny that you'd rather be led to hell in a handbasket by a charismatic public speaker than a trip to heaven by someone that stutters.
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Ohmy Fugod
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Posted - 2008.11.17 21:46:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Daevonar
Cruise missile expl. vel = 500
Average BS speed = 100-150
And yes skills can make speeds faster... but they can also increase expl. vel.
Even with a good AB these ships are slower than the expl. vel. of cruise missiles...
Wrong.
Cruise Missile Expl. vel = 69 m/s.
Forgot to check a fact or two before typing? |
Rachel Voegel
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:03:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Daevonar
Edited by: Daevonar on 17/11/2008 14:01:33
Originally by: Rachel Voegel
Originally by: Harrent
... Cruise missles shoot only larger itemsłas they were intedned to ...
People keep saying this, but CM Expl. Vel. is far lower than BS base speeds. So CMs don't fully hit larger ships.
Cruise missile expl. vel = 500
Average BS speed = 100-150
And yes skills can make speeds faster... but they can also increase expl. vel.
Even with a good AB these ships are slower than the expl. vel. of cruise missiles...
I'm looking at 69 m/s for T1 cruise, please elaborate on how you get 500 m/s as I'd be more than happy with that.
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Rachel Voegel
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:04:00 -
[129]
Originally by: MenanceWhite
Originally by: Rachel Voegel
Originally by: Harrent
... Cruise missles shoot only larger itemsłas they were intedned to ...
People keep saying this, but CM Expl. Vel. is far lower than BS base speeds. So CMs don't fully hit larger ships.
But Wait! That's not all! EVEN THE EXPLO. VEL. FOR LIGHT MISSILES AND ROCKETS ARE SUPER LOW NOW!!! OH NOES!! HOW COULD IT HAPPEN!!! LIGHT MISSILES AND ROCKETS MUST BE DOING 0 DAMAGE TO FRIGS NOW!! PAANICCCCC!!!
Perhaps if you actually read other peoples posts you'd know that the missile damage formula has been changed with more weight on sig radius than on speed. Maybe you would'nt seem as much as an ignorant idiot either.
Your words would hold more water if they were not laced with pointless insults.
Do you HAVE the new formula? Care to share it?
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Oftherocks
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:06:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Daevonar
Edited by: Daevonar on 17/11/2008 14:01:33
Originally by: Rachel Voegel
Originally by: Harrent
... Cruise missles shoot only larger itemsłas they were intedned to ...
People keep saying this, but CM Expl. Vel. is far lower than BS base speeds. So CMs don't fully hit larger ships.
Cruise missile expl. vel = 500
Average BS speed = 100-150
And yes skills can make speeds faster... but they can also increase expl. vel.
Even with a good AB these ships are slower than the expl. vel. of cruise missiles...
cruise explosion velocity=500 m/sec was pre-patch dumb ass
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
No, i play hello kitty online and just paid for 5 years to come here and make comments about stuff i know nothing about and Wranglers pants.
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Elias Modron
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:06:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
WTB: Dominix.
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Diziet Montoya
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:11:00 -
[132]
Cruise missiles have WORSE explosion velocity than Torpedoes, surely it's a mistake? |
Sedteis
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:14:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Sedteis on 18/11/2008 12:15:23
Originally by: Oftherocks
Originally by: Daevonar
Edited by: Daevonar on 17/11/2008 14:01:33
Originally by: Rachel Voegel
Originally by: Harrent
... Cruise missles shoot only larger items—as they were intedned to ...
People keep saying this, but CM Expl. Vel. is far lower than BS base speeds. So CMs don't fully hit larger ships.
Cruise missile expl. vel = 500
Average BS speed = 100-150
And yes skills can make speeds faster... but they can also increase expl. vel.
Even with a good AB these ships are slower than the expl. vel. of cruise missiles...
cruise explosion velocity=500 m/sec was pre-patch dumb ass
dumbass is one word
Etymology
dumb + ass
Pronunciation
IPA: /dʌmµs/
Noun
dumbass (plural dumbasses)
(vulgar, slang) A person marked by stupidity or foolishness.
She told him he was a dumbass.
Translations
Finnish: tollo, tyhmS
******
edit : wtf i can't say ****** ? what kind of **** is this? |
Thudin
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:29:00 -
[134]
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for even calling names in a thread, ridiculous I tell ya!
Welcome to EvE Online Forums, land of the babies! |
Terraform
Gallente
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:35:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Thudin
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for even calling names in a thread, ridiculous I tell ya!
Welcome to EvE Online Forums, land of the babies!
GOO GOO GAH GAH! |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:36:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Officer Deteis
the Nerf was total BS to caldari mission runners. heavy missiles and cruise missiles do crap to smaller ships now and when you are in a raven with cruise missiles you now have a short mission take forever.
I agree 100% with you, Trovax :)
As a matter of interest, have you ever tried shooting at frigates at close range with large lasers? |
Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:43:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Officer Deteis
the Nerf was total BS to caldari mission runners. heavy missiles and cruise missiles do crap to smaller ships now and when you are in a raven with cruise missiles you now have a short mission take forever.
I agree 100% with you, Trovax :)
As a matter of interest, have you ever tried shooting at frigates at close range with large lasers?
Or mediums, come to that. |
Sedteis
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:48:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Thudin
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for even calling names in a thread, ridiculous I tell ya!
Welcome to EvE Online Forums, land of the babies!
It's ok if you like guys more than girls |
Thudin
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:51:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Sedteis
Originally by: Thudin
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for even calling names in a thread, ridiculous I tell ya!
Welcome to EvE Online Forums, land of the babies!
It's ok if you like guys more than girls
??
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OutherSpace
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:52:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Thudin
Originally by: Sedteis
Originally by: Thudin
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for even calling names in a thread, ridiculous I tell ya!
Welcome to EvE Online Forums, land of the babies!
It's ok if you like guys more than girls
??
See, I knew you where "confused" abaut some things |
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Thudin
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:56:00 -
[141]
Originally by: OutherSpace
Originally by: Thudin
Originally by: Sedteis
Originally by: Thudin
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for even calling names in a thread, ridiculous I tell ya!
Welcome to EvE Online Forums, land of the babies!
It's ok if you like guys more than girls
??
See, I knew you where "confused" abaut some things
LOL, I think your actually very "confused" about the English language. kthxbye. |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:17:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Everyone Dies
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
obama is going to be the beginning of the end of the us
No, he is not going to force you to get a life- don't worry. |
Quicktime
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:31:00 -
[143]
nothing you can do but quit, the devs made it obvious they don't care what we think about Eve. Left 4 Dead is fun! BTW. :-) CCP is trying to find as many people as they can to take the place of the people that are quitting they would rather just replace the player base as it's much cheaper, no more new content. Fan Fest nothing really good coming our way for a while, good time for a break from Eve, come back if they can get walking in stations working and the combat back to the fun that it was, I am hoping my break will cause me to forget what it was like to fly at 26k crow, doubt it but it is possible. Sure used to be fun...
Killin zee Zombies is more fun then Eve... go GO GO Valve you get all my money now!
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:39:00 -
[144]
Just quit eve, CCP made it obvious they don't like solo players.
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OutherSpace
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:47:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Just quit eve, CCP made it obvious they don't like solo players.
can i have your stuff?
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Daevonar
Minmatar
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:52:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Daevonar on 18/11/2008 13:54:38
Originally by: Machanara
And compared to turrets now, its a fricking joke. Large turrets can hit anything at long range, full power. Speed doesn't matter and size has little relevance at those ranges. But yet missles got nerfed SO damn much compared to those turrets, missles will be thrown out the window and turrets will become the norm for just about all ship.
Seriously...why would I use a cruise missle to shoot a BS at say, 80km, where it will do maybe 60% of its dmg when I can use a large turret that won't be affected by its speed and do full dmg and possibl crits? It's really a no brainer.
Missles just got fu*ked, hard-core!
This needs to be re-adjusted very soon CCP.
Seriously, do you use turrets ever? They do NOT do full damage at long range... they get far more glancing and light hits. Not to mention missiles in general do more damage per shot anyway. Oh and adding of course that a turret is either good at long or short range, whereas the missile remains just as effective from 0m to its max range..
Dae.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:57:00 -
[147]
Hi there.
I fly a typhoon for lvl 4 missions.
I have torp lvl 2.
My fit:
4x xe-1000 whatever launchers
2 nos
Mids:
1 ab t2
1 painter
1 cap booster t2
1 web t2
Lows:
1 BCU t2
1 armor rep
1 1600 plate
4 hardeners/damage control
no rigs
I've been able to complete mission in the same amount of time. I mostly use light drones to kill cruisers and smaller. I have pretty high drone skills since I'm minmatar.
Ravens are 100 times better at missioning then my ship, i realize that but I like the blobbyness of the phoon more. Yeah that makes no sense, I play minny though can you blame me?
Quit *****in. I heard that dude whining about 4 frigs? Are you kidding? 5 t2 light drones with the proper skills will rip thru 4 frigs in about 10 seconds. They can literally 3-4 volley any tough npc frig. If you can't kill a NPC cruiser in less then a minute with light t2 drones then:
A. you are using the wrong drone.
B. your skills are failsauce.
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Daevonar
Minmatar
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:57:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Ohmy Fugod
Originally by: Daevonar
Cruise missile expl. vel = 500
Average BS speed = 100-150
And yes skills can make speeds faster... but they can also increase expl. vel.
Even with a good AB these ships are slower than the expl. vel. of cruise missiles...
Wrong.
Cruise Missile Expl. vel = 69 m/s.
Forgot to check a fact or two before typing?
No was at work and assumed CCP had updated their website item index... should have known better
500 down to 69 ... are you sure? seems unlikely, but I'll wait till I can check it myself.
Dae.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:16:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Reiisha on 18/11/2008 14:18:57
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
Prime example of how players have no idea how the game works, and suggest changes without looking into what they're doing wrong first...
If you're getting aggro from 60 ships, you're doing something wrong. If you can't tank the aggro you *should* be getting, you shouldn't be doing level 4's. If you can't even think of trying to kill frigs with drones.... Welcome, Caldari, to how everyone else in this game has to do level 4's? I can't hit frigs for crap since forever wth my tachs, at least not within 30-35km or so... And outside that it's just crossing my fingers and hoping they'll hit. I've always needed drones. Why should it be different for caldari? |
Tippia
Caldari
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:23:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Reiisha
If you're getting aggro from 60 ships, you're doing something wrong. If you can't tank the aggro you *should* be getting, you shouldn't be doing level 4's.
…and if your battleship can't stand up to the punishment, maybe you should try a different ship? Such as, say, a battlecruiser (or even a cruiser)? They survive L4s just fine.
"But onoz! I'll be less effective!!1"
Your choice: be less effective or blow up. |
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W3ndy
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:26:00 -
[151]
Edited by: W3ndy on 18/11/2008 14:26:41
How pilots thought it was fine a cruise missile hit a frig for six i have no idea. About time missiles got hit with the nerf bat, and corrected a long time overdue foor in game physics. |
Rachel Voegel
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:38:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Rachel Voegel on 18/11/2008 14:39:09
Originally by: Reiisha
Edited by: Reiisha on 18/11/2008 14:18:57
Originally by: Trovax
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
Prime example of how players have no idea how the game works, and suggest changes without looking into what they're doing wrong first...
If you're getting aggro from 60 ships, you're doing something wrong. If you can't tank the aggro you *should* be getting, you shouldn't be doing level 4's. If you can't even think of trying to kill frigs with drones.... Welcome, Caldari, to how everyone else in this game has to do level 4's? I can't hit frigs for crap since forever wth my tachs, at least not within 30-35km or so... And outside that it's just crossing my fingers and hoping they'll hit. I've always needed drones. Why should it be different for caldari?
The point being, the middle room in WC 4 gives you two options: Use drones and get full aggro, or don't use drones and try to kill a few high speed frigs with your other weapons.
Personally I'll be fitting light-missile assault launchers for that part. |
Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:42:00 -
[153]
Perhaps if your skills weren't ****e and you could actually fit your ship properly you wouldn't have to fear these 4 scrambling frigs and could, at your leisure, take out the hostile battleships.
Go back to level 3s. |
Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:49:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Misina Arlath on 18/11/2008 14:52:41
Originally by: TrovaxEver
tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
Are you a troll or a ******?
I've done WC Lvl 4 in my Navy Apoc a long time. I rely 100% on drones to take out the scramblers, and I have no problems with it.
I don't rely on my main guns to hit a fast orbit gnat, so why should you rely on your main launchers to do the same?
Stop your bloody crying, and your whines about missions taking too long. Welcome to the rest of EVE where missions have always taken this long. I'm actually glad you are moaning, and thrilled that some are quitting.
These changes are long overdue, and because of that it's been so brainwashed into the minds of CNR pilots that things should always be fast and supereasy.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
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"Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!" |
Rachel Voegel
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:52:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Rachel Voegel on 18/11/2008 14:53:49
Originally by: Morgan La'Chance
Perhaps if your skills weren't ****e and you could actually fit your ship properly you wouldn't have to fear these 4 scrambling frigs and could, at your leisure, take out the hostile battleships.
Go back to level 3s.
Ignoring the e-peen bull ... true one can kill the other ships first, unless you are NOT playing EVE solo and need to remove those frigs before your mate can join in.
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Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:56:00 -
[156]
When it comes to those scramblers in the 2nd pocket of WC, you can ignore the scrambler and just start working on the groups of NPC's while staying scrambled.
Thats how I do it anyways. Not like that one scrambling frig is doing any damage whatsoever anyways. If you shoot that frig first, then you fail at doing your homework in regards to reading eve-survival.
How someone in a CNR can fail at doing WC solo is beyond me. And here I thought CNR pilots in general were diligent mission runners.
Guess doing something isn't always the same as understanding something. So much for intelligence. |
Lysianna
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.18 15:10:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Lysianna on 18/11/2008 15:10:30
Originally by: Trovax
Originally by: Furb Killer
Assuming they are mission runners, missions still work fine with missiles. Havent done pvp with missiles so cant comment on that.
However also taking account your post before you editted it, i think you got serious issues and you might need help.
@officer, ever tried hitting an orbitting frig in a turret BS? USE DRONES[/quote
Ever tried a LVL 4 mish (IE World collide) solo where your warp scrmabled in your CNR and cruise missiels aint doing nought to the frigs?? Its a right B***H when it goes pop. Yeah drones, but can you really take out 4 or 5 scrammers before 60 ship pop you? On hell of a tank if you can.
drones my friend. Every mission runner should know that. You don't even need tech 2 lol... takes 1 week to train. Do not give me any excuses... drones are essential in PVE. |
Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.18 15:30:00 -
[158]
Originally by: OutherSpace
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Just quit eve, CCP made it obvious they don't like solo players.
can i have your stuff?
It's already gone. Too late.
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.18 16:00:00 -
[159]
thank god, now dont post nomore. if you cannot adapt and change then theres no place for you in online gaming, period.
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Kia Corallis
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Posted - 2008.11.18 16:16:00 -
[160]
I'm caldari, used to love my raven and it's cruise, still love my raven but training up my rokh and hybrids.
I have no knowledge in PvP apart from blowing up, yes I am annoyed that my missiles aren't as good as they used to be, they are still better than my hybrids.
From what I have read around the forums, people are saying that light drones are better than med drones?
I cottoned onto drones very early and they have always been my frigate killers, T2 med with some repper drones and some spares.
I like missiles and hence I choose the caldari mindset, missiles, missiles and more missiles.
so they aren't as good any more, still not gonna change, I will get better as they get worse, maybe
meanwhile I will continue training up my hybrids see what I can do with them
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Kia Corallis
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Posted - 2008.11.18 16:18:00 -
[161]
P.S.
Just trained up for manticore, not sure it was a good idea anymore? not gonna be as good as I thought it might be
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Tatianna
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:16:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Kia Corallis
P.S.
Just trained up for manticore, not sure it was a good idea anymore? not gonna be as good as I thought it might be
SBs are worthless now. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:31:00 -
[163]
Never understood the whining about SB's since they were before QR also worthless. |
Tatianna
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:35:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Never understood the whining about SB's since they were before QR also worthless.
Disagree. In PvP yes, but for 0.0 ratting, they WERE the bomb! |
Ohmy Fugod
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:57:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Daevonar
No was at work and assumed CCP had updated their website item index... should have known better
500 down to 69 ... are you sure? seems unlikely, but I'll wait till I can check it myself.
Haha no problem buddy, that's why, you see, every single missile user is upset, not even the new formula, that supposedly focuses on sig radius, makes up for the fact that such a low missile explosion velocity still affects the outcome in such a way that cruises or torps deal ridiculous dmg to everything but an afk capital ship... lol |
Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.19 15:10:00 -
[166]
wow, 6 pages so far. Not bad for a fail thread, not bad atall. All I will say is adapt or die. Mission runners who have uber missile skills, train for a day or two target painting, problem solved.
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Thudin
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Posted - 2008.11.19 15:27:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Kirra Liu
wow, 6 pages so far. Not bad for a fail thread, not bad atall. All I will say is adapt or die. Mission runners who have uber missile skills, train for a day or two target painting, problem solved.
Nothing new in this thread lock and move along, nothing to see here imo. |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2008.11.19 15:49:00 -
[168]
I fail to see what the big issue is here.
I haven't noticed that big a difference to the game. Small ships are supposed to be difficult to hit. That's why we have drones.
Missiles were my first speciality, but I went on the develop my gunnery in the other three disciplines, mainly because I like to be adaptable, and because I like to fly a variety of ships (it does get a bit boring sticking to the same ship all the time).
People do tend to overeact to changes. Why can't they all learn to play with what they have, rather than wasting time and energy whining for everything to be put back the way it was (which isn't going to happen). |
KalEl Trask
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Posted - 2008.11.19 18:55:00 -
[169]
I'm sorry,
When you spend over 7 months training missile skills and CCP nerfs the skillset.
THAT might be a little irritating.
I'm hanging out unitl the March expansion to see if CCP pulls back any of the royally PORKED bugs they introduced in this patch.
And Yes, this was a patch and not an expansion.
Updating to the 'stacklessIO' and 'EVE64' are not expansions.
They ARE infrastructure/backbone updates.
If not, I'm done after two years of that point.
You can't expect someone who's spent years(s) building up a character to have CCP whack his skill sets to make it easier for newer players to compete.
I'm not arguing that some things may have needed some rebalancing, but all of these changes together become a little difficult to swallow.
If you think it will stop at missiles and speed changes, think again.
Wait until one of the large alliances gets all of their station's,POS's or territories nerfed to make it easier for younger players to get a foothold! (I would actually like some of that myself.  |
Pretty kitty
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Posted - 2008.11.19 19:07:00 -
[170]
Everyone who posted a whine in this topic please leave..WE WANT you to quit eve... go find yourself a blizzard product that will never change and train up your uberness forever...
Your polluting eve with your defeatist attitude.. I would squash you like a bug but, you've already decided to kill yourself..
Face it things change..inability to change is called extinction..its the cycle of life.
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Belmarduk
Amarr
M.A.R.S. Enterprises
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.19 19:21:00 -
[171]
Wheres the problem?
My main can fly the battleships of ALL 4 races WELL.
I will just use a different ship/setup - If neccesary - I have high missile skills aswell - Lets see if the nerf was really so bad.
Adapt or perish
*walks off muttering something about 2 months bs-pilots..*
Mainchar:
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Kina Kai
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Posted - 2008.11.19 20:11:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Haradgrim
Obama quote to sum up QR:
"You can't use a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel"
you can also quote
"we all need to spread the wealth around"
dang liberals :P |
Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.19 20:14:00 -
[173]
Originally by: KalEl Trask
I'm sorry,
When you spend over 7 months training missile skills and CCP nerfs the skillset.
THAT might be a little irritating.
I'm hanging out unitl the March expansion to see if CCP pulls back any of the royally PORKED bugs they introduced in this patch.
And Yes, this was a patch and not an expansion.
Updating to the 'stacklessIO' and 'EVE64' are not expansions.
They ARE infrastructure/backbone updates.
If not, I'm done after two years of that point.
You can't expect someone who's spent years(s) building up a character to have CCP whack his skill sets to make it easier for newer players to compete.
I'm not arguing that some things may have needed some rebalancing, but all of these changes together become a little difficult to swallow.
If you think it will stop at missiles and speed changes, think again.
Wait until one of the large alliances gets all of their station's,POS's or territories nerfed to make it easier for younger players to get a foothold! (I would actually like some of that myself.
Have you considered that between now and March you could get pretty good skills in gunnery? |
Chelone
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.11.19 21:53:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Stunna Shade
Adapt or cancel.
I would argue that canceling is one form of "adapting."
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Cassius Longinus
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2008.11.19 22:45:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Cassius Longinus on 19/11/2008 22:46:21
Originally by: Daevonar
Quite a lot of people trained for missile skills for the very reason that they were without a shadow of a doubt the best weapon in the game
You forgot to add "For PVE". Forum wisdom (whatever that is worth) has always been that delayed damage was something of a serious downside for PVP. Certainly, if nothing else rails were strongly preferred for fleet ops (Cruise Ravens being delegated to anti-support, a rule cruise missiles will not provide now).
To me, the missile nerf seems a little extreme at this point, but that just means it's finally time to train t2 large hybrids. And those Ravens will still be useful for cynojammed POS takedown ops. In the fullness of time, we'll see how many people really switch to AB setups, and frankly, I expect those explosion radius values to change slightly next patch). I certainly have a lot of ships in my hanger to lose before I'll feel comfortable talking categorically about the change though.
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Quicktime
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:09:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Chelone
Originally by: Stunna Shade
Adapt or cancel.
I would argue that canceling is one form of "adapting."
Adapting to a less fun system makes no sense to me, so yeah 1 day left Whoo Hoo! I doubt the the March expansion will actually be on time, they are just saying that so the sub numbers look better and people will not cancel waiting, and hoping they make a better game, they know this patch sucks and are hoping they can sucker in a few more people.
If you want a real view of the stupidity watch the Fan Fest videos, immature alcoholic drunken producer who had to answer every question even if it wasn't even directed toward him, no talent lead designer, you can see they have few good people there but not many, and made me more angry about the patch as you can tell they are missing the boat in general, so many things to fix in this game and make more fun for people and they never mention it, the focus is off or is in decline. I only hope the CEO will start firing people and get better more mature decision makers shaping Eve's future.
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Al Drevika
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:14:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Malcanis
jesus is it really that hard to fit a target painter?
It's more than fitting a TP. Don't spout off about things you haven't fitted and tried, OK, pal?
The truth lies in the middle- the nerf was necessary, but CCP went overboard. There is a better way to fix missiles in pvp. |
nahtoh
Caldari
StrikerCorp
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:25:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Officer Deteis
the Nerf was total BS to caldari mission runners. heavy missiles and cruise missiles do crap to smaller ships now and when you are in a raven with cruise missiles you now have a short mission take forever.
I agree 100% with you, Trovax :)
Cruise missile CNR is my mission ship...works fine for me (and my missile skills suck 817,992 in misiles). I think you both and his missing corp mbrs need to learn to play the game corretly.
You have a drone bay fecking well use it...
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"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Al Drevika
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:37:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Al Drevika on 20/11/2008 01:37:54
"Adapt or Die" Lyrics, Courtesy of Al Drevika. Cross-link to all whining threads as necessary. Sung to "I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor.
First I was afraid
I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live
with the missile nerf
But I spent so many nights
thinking how I did it wrong
I grew strong
I put a target painter on
and so I'm back
in outer space
I just warped in to find the rats
with that sad look on their face
I should have added a webber
I should have trained a few more skills
If I had known for just one second
It would help me with my kills
Lets warp now go
just hit the gate
turn on the hardeners
not leaving my tank to fate
I dropped that big cruise launcher and those torpedoes too
you think I'd keep that
that's a quick way to die
Oh no, not I
I will survive
as long as i know how to gank
I know I will stay alive
I've got passive tank to live
I've got D.P.S. to give
and I'll survive
I will survive
I refitted with heavies
for the cruiser rats
Trained up on drone skills
to satisfy the board a**hats
and I spent oh so many nights
just waiting on my skills
I used to whine
Now I hold my head up high
and you see me
somebody new
I'm not that nooby little person
still in love with torps
and so obnoxious PVPers
used to ask me for my stuff
now I'm saving all my ISK
for a Drake that's really buff
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Anya Linnel
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:40:00 -
[180]
Al.
Best. Post. Ever.
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Ron Bacardi
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:56:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Al Drevika
Edited by: Al Drevika on 20/11/2008 01:37:54
"Adapt or Die" Lyrics, Courtesy of Al Drevika. Cross-link to all whining threads as necessary. Sung to "I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor.
Winner.
(not to be mistaken with all the whiners in this thread) |
Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.20 02:03:00 -
[182]
missiles got nerfed and it sucks if you use missiles, just as it sucks if you used speed or if you used to like the alpha pest. As for those that fear the tackler frigates in missions will now be able to hold you down and you won't be able to do anything, yes they will if you don't use drones (or if you lose them). I know this because it's happened to friends in turret ships before, I remember about a year ago a friend in a mega got stuck fighting 2 spider drones after some rats had taken out his drones he couldn't do anything I had to fly 6 jumps pick up a caracal fit it out then go in and finish them off (he sat there tanking them the whole time) cause there was nothing he could do.
Sorry to say this but missiles, while not terribly overpowered before nerf, when tested against the nerfed nano's they where waaay too uber. |
Belmarduk
Amarr
M.A.R.S. Enterprises
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.20 02:03:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Al Drevika
Edited by: Al Drevika on 20/11/2008 01:37:54
"Adapt or Die" Lyrics, Courtesy of Al Drevika. Cross-link to all whining threads as necessary. Sung to "I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor.
*stuff*
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10/10 :) |
Togg Bott
Minmatar
801
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Posted - 2008.11.20 02:12:00 -
[184]
Sooooo... let me see if i got this right. Nerf their stuff, but leave my stuff alone?
kinda selfish if i may say so. deal with it. and for those who say its over the top since it kills their 7 months of training to pop frigs with cruise missles... so what.. CCP nerfed my leadership skills into the dirt. but i still use them |
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