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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Astinius on 08/07/2004 00:38:53
I KNEW about price scamming. I AVOIDED it at least 200x before, but I got my ass ripped for 27M on a Control Reactor I. That was 95% of my bankroll.
This is ANOTHER warning to CCP from people like me who lose 95% of their bankroll on unnecssary mistakes will eventually leave the game due to so much lost time/effort.
THE !@#$%^ MARKET SHOULD NOT BE LIKE 0.0 SPACE! Actually its worse, because you could lose BILLIONS in a matter of seconds.
And don't give me any **** about this being a "real world" situation because in the real world I could take this ***** to court and sue him. In this game I have ZERO recourse.
Well, it took me weeks to earn that ISK. CCP allows it, so I guess I will go into the scamming busines to recover from it and see how many other paying customers I can **** off.
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Astinius on 08/07/2004 00:38:53
I KNEW about price scamming. I AVOIDED it at least 200x before, but I got my ass ripped for 27M on a Control Reactor I. That was 95% of my bankroll.
This is ANOTHER warning to CCP from people like me who lose 95% of their bankroll on unnecssary mistakes will eventually leave the game due to so much lost time/effort.
THE !@#$%^ MARKET SHOULD NOT BE LIKE 0.0 SPACE! Actually its worse, because you could lose BILLIONS in a matter of seconds.
And don't give me any **** about this being a "real world" situation because in the real world I could take this ***** to court and sue him. In this game I have ZERO recourse.
Well, it took me weeks to earn that ISK. CCP allows it, so I guess I will go into the scamming busines to recover from it and see how many other paying customers I can **** off.
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Lacey Sirena
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:40:00 -
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make sure to create an alt to do the scamming with. im sure you figured that out on your own though. ccp likes scammer alts.
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Lacey Sirena
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:40:00 -
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make sure to create an alt to do the scamming with. im sure you figured that out on your own though. ccp likes scammer alts.
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Narine
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:20:00 -
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I got scammed for 62 mil isk :( I was sooo mad and kinda lost interest in this game but im slowly working my way up again. :/
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Narine
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:20:00 -
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I got scammed for 62 mil isk :( I was sooo mad and kinda lost interest in this game but im slowly working my way up again. :/
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Tornad o
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Lacey Sirena
make sure to create an alt to do the scamming with. im sure you figured that out on your own though. ccp likes scammer alts.
Yeah they do! I only scam for less them 5mil though at a time as to not bankrupt people  But you make money in numbers and so far its worked!!
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Tornad o
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lacey Sirena
make sure to create an alt to do the scamming with. im sure you figured that out on your own though. ccp likes scammer alts.
Yeah they do! I only scam for less them 5mil though at a time as to not bankrupt people But you make money in numbers and so far its worked!!
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Tornad o
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Astinius
And don't give me any **** about this being a "real world" situation because in the real world I could take this ***** to court and sue him. In this game I have ZERO recourse.
Except for hanging his corpse in your hangar :D
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Tornad o
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Astinius
And don't give me any **** about this being a "real world" situation because in the real world I could take this ***** to court and sue him. In this game I have ZERO recourse.
Except for hanging his corpse in your hangar :D
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:26:00 -
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I really don't understand how people manage to get scammed. Don't you check the items before you buy them?
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:26:00 -
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I really don't understand how people manage to get scammed. Don't you check the items before you buy them?
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voidvim
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:34:00 -
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sorry to hear that happen to you escrow does need some work done to it. and as their is no way for player justice as they they use alt it needs to be clean up. oh if you need a bit of help to get you back on your feed eve-mail me and I'll see what I acn do.
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voidvim
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:34:00 -
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sorry to hear that happen to you escrow does need some work done to it. and as their is no way for player justice as they they use alt it needs to be clean up. oh if you need a bit of help to get you back on your feed eve-mail me and I'll see what I acn do.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tornad o
Originally by: Lacey Sirena
make sure to create an alt to do the scamming with. im sure you figured that out on your own though. ccp likes scammer alts.
Yeah they do! I only scam for less them 5mil though at a time as to not bankrupt people But you make money in numbers and so far its worked!!
5m would bankrupt me! :(
honestly. i think being able to scam people adds depth to the game.
i spent 2 months making newb mistakes. spent a ton of money on items i thought did something else, bought duplicate skills, etc etc etc.
this is one of those few (awesome) games where a small mistake can really screw you up.. i love it
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tornad o
Originally by: Lacey Sirena
make sure to create an alt to do the scamming with. im sure you figured that out on your own though. ccp likes scammer alts.
Yeah they do! I only scam for less them 5mil though at a time as to not bankrupt people But you make money in numbers and so far its worked!!
5m would bankrupt me! :(
honestly. i think being able to scam people adds depth to the game.
i spent 2 months making newb mistakes. spent a ton of money on items i thought did something else, bought duplicate skills, etc etc etc.
this is one of those few (awesome) games where a small mistake can really screw you up.. i love it
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:43:00 -
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scam is part of the game... Even in real life u get scammed, you just have to be careful 
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
olyyy
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:43:00 -
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scam is part of the game... Even in real life u get scammed, you just have to be careful
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:44:00 -
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hahaha, great scam !
Come here, tell people you get scammed, and hope for the suckers to feel sorry for you !
I got scammed last week, please give to the Svodairs' charity fund - only isk will be accepted.
Your help is not only appreciated, it's mandatory 
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:44:00 -
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hahaha, great scam !
Come here, tell people you get scammed, and hope for the suckers to feel sorry for you !
I got scammed last week, please give to the Svodairs' charity fund - only isk will be accepted.
Your help is not only appreciated, it's mandatory
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.08 02:25:00 -
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Hello, I got scammed, please alocate five people to protect me from my own stupidity.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.08 02:25:00 -
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Hello, I got scammed, please alocate five people to protect me from my own stupidity.
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Bubba1977 on 08/07/2004 05:25:20
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Bubba1977 on 08/07/2004 05:25:20
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: StinkFinger on 01/08/2004 19:16:02
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: StinkFinger on 01/08/2004 19:16:02
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Clan MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:36:00 -
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What I used to do is keep my excess isk in my hanger, but CCP decided that this was an issue and you can't do that anymore. SOOOOOO Now I give my excess isk to an alt character. In my main wallet I keep only what I need (less than 500K).
This will save you a lot of future heartache when you find out that a shuttle has an extra zero  (Or three) in the price, and you do not have the isk for the inflated price.
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Clan MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:36:00 -
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What I used to do is keep my excess isk in my hanger, but CCP decided that this was an issue and you can't do that anymore. SOOOOOO Now I give my excess isk to an alt character. In my main wallet I keep only what I need (less than 500K).
This will save you a lot of future heartache when you find out that a shuttle has an extra zero (Or three) in the price, and you do not have the isk for the inflated price.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:29:00 -
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The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
This needs to happen.
The easiest way to cut out most of the scams though would be that the item name goes into the description box. I know that would cause some issues when placing multiple items into escrow, but it would make it impossible to name a shuttle a battleship and hope someone is dumb enough to trust.
CCP should not be supporting fraud from player to player. They should be making it as difficult as possible in fact. So please CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!! It's getting really really old when half the stuff on the escrow market are scams named as other items.
I know you can inspect them, and double check and triple check the numbers before pressing the ok button, but this is just asking for a situation whereby you lose customers. One scam can ruin someone, and when they figure out that there is nothing to be done, and that you guys actually approve of things like this they often just say the hell with it and leave.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:29:00 -
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The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
This needs to happen.
The easiest way to cut out most of the scams though would be that the item name goes into the description box. I know that would cause some issues when placing multiple items into escrow, but it would make it impossible to name a shuttle a battleship and hope someone is dumb enough to trust.
CCP should not be supporting fraud from player to player. They should be making it as difficult as possible in fact. So please CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!! It's getting really really old when half the stuff on the escrow market are scams named as other items.
I know you can inspect them, and double check and triple check the numbers before pressing the ok button, but this is just asking for a situation whereby you lose customers. One scam can ruin someone, and when they figure out that there is nothing to be done, and that you guys actually approve of things like this they often just say the hell with it and leave.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Monty Burns
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Monty Burns on 08/07/2004 07:46:35
Originally by: Adriana
CCP should not be supporting fraud from player to player. They should be making it as difficult as possible in fact. So please CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!! It's getting really really old when half the stuff on the escrow market are scams named as other items.
 Scamming? Murder? They are all crimes ... this game has a "Dark side". I know what your about to say: YES, you can still kill someone in 1.0 for the price of a ship.
When will people realise this game can be evil by design and for that I love it! 
Do you go into 0.0 un-prepared and expect to live? So why should you buy stuff without checking it properly and expect to get the correct thing?
I would doubt very much that "in real life" if you bought a car for 10mil coz you didnt read the price tag/details correctly that you would get any legal recourse... isn't it something like "Buyer Beware" when talking about private deals (escrow)? If something is labeled even in really small print then the seller is generaly covered. I have seen adverts in the papers that start with the word SEX in big bold red fonts designed to grab your attention. This doesn't mean they are selling sex, it just gets you to read the small print, what a lot of you guys are saying is that they should be made illegal as well?
Do something about it! Get your corp to declare war and then kill the scammer, kill them again and then start taking out his/her corp mates.
Be lucky and be more carefull!!!!!
/reallysmallprint P.S The price of my shuttles may go up or down by as much as 100,000,000ISK. Terms and conditions apply, always read the label 
Darwin 4tw
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Monty Burns on 08/07/2004 07:46:35
Originally by: Adriana
CCP should not be supporting fraud from player to player. They should be making it as difficult as possible in fact. So please CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!! It's getting really really old when half the stuff on the escrow market are scams named as other items.
Scamming? Murder? They are all crimes ... this game has a "Dark side". I know what your about to say: YES, you can still kill someone in 1.0 for the price of a ship.
When will people realise this game can be evil by design and for that I love it!
Do you go into 0.0 un-prepared and expect to live? So why should you buy stuff without checking it properly and expect to get the correct thing?
I would doubt very much that "in real life" if you bought a car for 10mil coz you didnt read the price tag/details correctly that you would get any legal recourse... isn't it something like "Buyer Beware" when talking about private deals (escrow)? If something is labeled even in really small print then the seller is generaly covered. I have seen adverts in the papers that start with the word SEX in big bold red fonts designed to grab your attention. This doesn't mean they are selling sex, it just gets you to read the small print, what a lot of you guys are saying is that they should be made illegal as well?
Do something about it! Get your corp to declare war and then kill the scammer, kill them again and then start taking out his/her corp mates.
Be lucky and be more carefull!!!!!
/reallysmallprint P.S The price of my shuttles may go up or down by as much as 100,000,000ISK. Terms and conditions apply, always read the label
Darwin 4tw
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
Why would the police wtfpwn someone who put $1000 on the price tag of a t-shirt and you bought it?
Cause basically that is what happened. You are free to price your wares at any price you like. Wether people pay what you ask or not is not CCP's fault.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
Why would the police wtfpwn someone who put $1000 on the price tag of a t-shirt and you bought it?
Cause basically that is what happened. You are free to price your wares at any price you like. Wether people pay what you ask or not is not CCP's fault.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Celebon
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Astinius
Edited by: Astinius on 08/07/2004 00:38:53
I KNEW about price scamming. I AVOIDED it at least 200x before, but I got my ass ripped for 27M on a Control Reactor I. That was 95% of my bankroll.
Just out of curiosity, how did you loose 27m on a reactor control I? If you were using the market, it gives you a "higher than" price warning. If you're using escrow you make sure you look at the item before claiming. Just check once, then check again and you shouldn't loose money unless you are careless in which case you only have yourself to blame
Personally, i think in ESCROW a double click on the item, bringing up the inspection would be better with only rclick to claim. shoudl prevent some of the . . ah . . "mis-click" buys.
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Astinius
Edited by: Astinius on 08/07/2004 00:38:53
I KNEW about price scamming. I AVOIDED it at least 200x before, but I got my ass ripped for 27M on a Control Reactor I. That was 95% of my bankroll.
Just out of curiosity, how did you loose 27m on a reactor control I? If you were using the market, it gives you a "higher than" price warning. If you're using escrow you make sure you look at the item before claiming. Just check once, then check again and you shouldn't loose money unless you are careless in which case you only have yourself to blame
Personally, i think in ESCROW a double click on the item, bringing up the inspection would be better with only rclick to claim. shoudl prevent some of the . . ah . . "mis-click" buys.
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Matanga
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:42:00 -
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Well this actually goes against my principles but what a hell.........
I'm used to take care of me own a s s (that is what we do in sudamerica) so if you get scammed I'll normally said to you........."too bad live and learn"
I've never been scammed as I check the price/escrow 3 or 4 times before buying (sometimes even more)
But maybe and just maybe an easy solution to this would be to have more than 1 wallet (I know corps will get more than 1 wallet in Shiva that's why I'm poposing this) that way you have your main wallet (where you keep all your millons) and a day to day wallet wich u use to buy (and that will never hold more than the money you are willing to spend). If you don't have enough money in your day to day wallet to buy something you won't be able to buy it even if you have 1B on the other one
Just my 2 isk
Cheers
Mat
"ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö
George Orwell ô1984ö |
Matanga
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:42:00 -
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Well this actually goes against my principles but what a hell.........
I'm used to take care of me own a s s (that is what we do in sudamerica) so if you get scammed I'll normally said to you........."too bad live and learn"
I've never been scammed as I check the price/escrow 3 or 4 times before buying (sometimes even more)
But maybe and just maybe an easy solution to this would be to have more than 1 wallet (I know corps will get more than 1 wallet in Shiva that's why I'm poposing this) that way you have your main wallet (where you keep all your millons) and a day to day wallet wich u use to buy (and that will never hold more than the money you are willing to spend). If you don't have enough money in your day to day wallet to buy something you won't be able to buy it even if you have 1B on the other one
Just my 2 isk
Cheers
Mat
"ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö
George Orwell ô1984ö |
D'uu M'ii
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:59:00 -
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What are you people talking about "the cops would go get the scammers"? Cops are maids. They are there to clean up the mess. They don't go after anyone anymore. Try calling 911 sometime. If the perp isn't there they may show up to start a report in a few days.
Start PAYING ATTENTION to what you are buying and the price. You act just like people in RL that want the government to make it all better. Then b!tch when they take control away from you to make your own decisions.
Revolution NOW!!
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D'uu M'ii
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:59:00 -
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What are you people talking about "the cops would go get the scammers"? Cops are maids. They are there to clean up the mess. They don't go after anyone anymore. Try calling 911 sometime. If the perp isn't there they may show up to start a report in a few days.
Start PAYING ATTENTION to what you are buying and the price. You act just like people in RL that want the government to make it all better. Then b!tch when they take control away from you to make your own decisions.
Revolution NOW!!
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 08/07/2004 10:28:02
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Adriana
The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
Why would the police wtfpwn someone who put $1000 on the price tag of a t-shirt and you bought it?
Cause basically that is what happened. You are free to price your wares at any price you like. Wether people pay what you ask or not is not CCP's fault.
exactly, what's with all the idiots. You are warned when you try to do it, the price is right there. And you ignore it, so deal with it.
Edit: Yeah flamming but anyone that pays 27 mil for a RCU I is a idiot.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 08/07/2004 10:28:02
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Adriana
The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
Why would the police wtfpwn someone who put $1000 on the price tag of a t-shirt and you bought it?
Cause basically that is what happened. You are free to price your wares at any price you like. Wether people pay what you ask or not is not CCP's fault.
exactly, what's with all the idiots. You are warned when you try to do it, the price is right there. And you ignore it, so deal with it.
Edit: Yeah flamming but anyone that pays 27 mil for a RCU I is a idiot.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
KompleX
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:30:00 -
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I don't even understand HOW you mannage to get scammed, for the market there is the popup saying your about to buy an item costing more than it's standard price. In escrow, you DO NOT buy something that says "scorpion" for 62 mil without checking the goods first.
That's pure stupidity...
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KompleX
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:30:00 -
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I don't even understand HOW you mannage to get scammed, for the market there is the popup saying your about to buy an item costing more than it's standard price. In escrow, you DO NOT buy something that says "scorpion" for 62 mil without checking the goods first.
That's pure stupidity...
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:32:00 -
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double click on the ESCROW goods, you don't need to use rclick > inspect.
That removes the chance of accidentily hiting claim.
Didn't know that. well, I guess the game still has afew things to be learned.
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:32:00 -
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double click on the ESCROW goods, you don't need to use rclick > inspect.
That removes the chance of accidentily hiting claim.
Didn't know that. well, I guess the game still has afew things to be learned.
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:57:00 -
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Whats needed is a central bank, like in RL. You could put all your spare isk in it and just keep a float to keep you going. Hey, I think I'll start a bank. Just open an account with me. Deposit your money with me and I'll look after it for you...ok?
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:57:00 -
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Whats needed is a central bank, like in RL. You could put all your spare isk in it and just keep a float to keep you going. Hey, I think I'll start a bank. Just open an account with me. Deposit your money with me and I'll look after it for you...ok?
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Tarlok
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Posted - 2004.07.08 11:04:00 -
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Aren't multiple accounts being introduced with Shiva? So just keep your spending money on a budget account then.
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Tarlok
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Posted - 2004.07.08 11:04:00 -
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Aren't multiple accounts being introduced with Shiva? So just keep your spending money on a budget account then.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.11 14:07:00 -
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The thing some of you are missing the boat on is that I am not talking about a shuttle named a shuttle and priced for 1,000,000 isk. I'm talking about a shuttle named apoc and priced accordingly.
In the first case you just paid entirely too much for a shuttle, but the buyer didn't misrepresent what he was selling you.
In the second case the buyer is guilty of FRAUD because he told you you were getting one thing, and then sold you another. Thats fraud, the police WOULD wtfpwn you, and you would go merrily to jail.
So lets talk apples and apples, not apples and oranges. The first is a very overpriced (designer) shuttle, the second is a crime and should be subject to legal recourse.
As for declaring war, how many newbie corps have you ever declared war on? Thats right, NONE. What happens is that someone makes an alt, who never leaves a station and scams other people. Then they log on and see how much they have managed to defraud people for, and transfer that to their main account.
Guess what, irl BOTH people would be wtfpwned by the police. The first for fraud, the second for fraud if they could prove he knew about the scam, and if not they would nail him for recieving stolen goods and possibly a few other crimes.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.11 14:07:00 -
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The thing some of you are missing the boat on is that I am not talking about a shuttle named a shuttle and priced for 1,000,000 isk. I'm talking about a shuttle named apoc and priced accordingly.
In the first case you just paid entirely too much for a shuttle, but the buyer didn't misrepresent what he was selling you.
In the second case the buyer is guilty of FRAUD because he told you you were getting one thing, and then sold you another. Thats fraud, the police WOULD wtfpwn you, and you would go merrily to jail.
So lets talk apples and apples, not apples and oranges. The first is a very overpriced (designer) shuttle, the second is a crime and should be subject to legal recourse.
As for declaring war, how many newbie corps have you ever declared war on? Thats right, NONE. What happens is that someone makes an alt, who never leaves a station and scams other people. Then they log on and see how much they have managed to defraud people for, and transfer that to their main account.
Guess what, irl BOTH people would be wtfpwned by the police. The first for fraud, the second for fraud if they could prove he knew about the scam, and if not they would nail him for recieving stolen goods and possibly a few other crimes.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2004.07.11 14:14:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Jonkai on 11/07/2004 14:15:57
ROFFLES!
Can't believe people are still arguing against this... CHECK THE FRICKING MERCHANDISE.
And you say the police would wtfpwn you... roffles, get a grip and think about what you've just mentioned
edit: typo
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2004.07.11 14:14:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Jonkai on 11/07/2004 14:15:57
ROFFLES!
Can't believe people are still arguing against this... CHECK THE FRICKING MERCHANDISE.
And you say the police would wtfpwn you... roffles, get a grip and think about what you've just mentioned
edit: typo
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Karkazz
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Posted - 2004.07.11 15:00:00 -
[55]
I dont know why ppl are compairing this to real life, but since we are. Do you ppl really belive that a system like this, a system that could ruin you and your family financially, becasue you were tired or didnt look at the pricetag for one reason or another, would be tolerated in rl, dont think so. I bough this box of cheerios but i didnt notice that it had a pricetag of 56k, sry dude i have already charged your credit card.
Its true though its not ccp¦s fault but it is their problem if it causes ppl to leave the game.
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Karkazz
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Posted - 2004.07.11 15:00:00 -
[56]
I dont know why ppl are compairing this to real life, but since we are. Do you ppl really belive that a system like this, a system that could ruin you and your family financially, becasue you were tired or didnt look at the pricetag for one reason or another, would be tolerated in rl, dont think so. I bough this box of cheerios but i didnt notice that it had a pricetag of 56k, sry dude i have already charged your credit card.
Its true though its not ccp¦s fault but it is their problem if it causes ppl to leave the game.
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Garramon
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Posted - 2004.07.11 17:03:00 -
[57]
If Escrow was supposed to be safe, they would have just let you put the stuff on the market.
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Garramon
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Posted - 2004.07.11 17:03:00 -
[58]
If Escrow was supposed to be safe, they would have just let you put the stuff on the market.
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Lady Annus
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Posted - 2004.07.11 17:59:00 -
[59]
Ah sometimes being poor in a game is good cause then I'm slightly careful with my hard earned dollah. I didn't know beans about using the escrow so I looked at CCP's very nicely detailed documentation. I think their documentation on this type of thing is pretty good compared to some other games I've played.
How to use Escrow
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Lady Annus
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Posted - 2004.07.11 17:59:00 -
[60]
Ah sometimes being poor in a game is good cause then I'm slightly careful with my hard earned dollah. I didn't know beans about using the escrow so I looked at CCP's very nicely detailed documentation. I think their documentation on this type of thing is pretty good compared to some other games I've played.
How to use Escrow
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.11 18:05:00 -
[61]
well, price scams are just another pain in the ass.
I have to triple-check the price of the item that I'm buing just to make sure that i never get scammed.
This makes my head hurt sometimes because it's boring, repetitive and quite difficult to do while drunk.
And as you know, ****ing off the drunk population of eve is not good customer-wise, we're half of the online players
/me goes back for a dive in his ouzo bottle
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.11 18:05:00 -
[62]
well, price scams are just another pain in the ass.
I have to triple-check the price of the item that I'm buing just to make sure that i never get scammed.
This makes my head hurt sometimes because it's boring, repetitive and quite difficult to do while drunk.
And as you know, ****ing off the drunk population of eve is not good customer-wise, we're half of the online players
/me goes back for a dive in his ouzo bottle
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Lady Annus
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Posted - 2004.07.11 18:37:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Feta Solamnia
well, price scams are just another pain in the ass.
/me goes back for a dive in his ouzo bottle
OPA!
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Lady Annus
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Posted - 2004.07.11 18:37:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Feta Solamnia
well, price scams are just another pain in the ass.
/me goes back for a dive in his ouzo bottle
OPA!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.07.11 19:45:00 -
[65]
There is no such thing as 'price scamming', the seller isn't misrepresenting their item as something it's not. It's called speculation, a cornerstone of a capitalist society.
If your goods sell they're worth what they sell for, there's no-one forcing you to buy anything, there's no monopoly in place, you're not restricted to go elsewhere and buy the item there if the price isn't right for you.
I suggest you slow down and perhaps get some sleep before purchasing anything off of the market again.
Convert Stations
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.07.11 19:45:00 -
[66]
There is no such thing as 'price scamming', the seller isn't misrepresenting their item as something it's not. It's called speculation, a cornerstone of a capitalist society.
If your goods sell they're worth what they sell for, there's no-one forcing you to buy anything, there's no monopoly in place, you're not restricted to go elsewhere and buy the item there if the price isn't right for you.
I suggest you slow down and perhaps get some sleep before purchasing anything off of the market again.
Convert Stations
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.07.11 22:37:00 -
[67]
Both credit cards and bank account has "stop payment" methods for various reasons. One of them is for when someone offers one type of item, and delivers another.
As for the market price warnings, people have jacked with the prices so much that they are now little more than nuisance warnings, that serve only to desensitize to the true price of the product they are buying. They should have been removed from the game long ago.
Harry Voyager
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.07.11 22:37:00 -
[68]
Both credit cards and bank account has "stop payment" methods for various reasons. One of them is for when someone offers one type of item, and delivers another.
As for the market price warnings, people have jacked with the prices so much that they are now little more than nuisance warnings, that serve only to desensitize to the true price of the product they are buying. They should have been removed from the game long ago.
Harry Voyager
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.07.12 01:44:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Xavier Arron on 12/07/2004 01:46:27
Originally by: Karkazz
I dont know why ppl are compairing this to real life, but since we are. Do you ppl really belive that a system like this, a system that could ruin you and your family financially, becasue you were tired or didnt look at the pricetag for one reason or another, would be tolerated in rl, dont think so. I bough this box of cheerios but i didnt notice that it had a pricetag of 56k, sry dude i have already charged your credit card.
Its true though its not ccp¦s fault but it is their problem if it causes ppl to leave the game.
Exactly!!!
ItÆs never happened to me yet, but its dam easy to make mistakes when youÆre tired.
This is a scam. No one would knowingly pay 10mill for a shuttle - so itÆs not an 'agreed' upon price.
I could live with scammers if there was some way to get justice / revenge, but with unlimited alts there is basically no accountability in this game.
Now I know CCP wonÆt get rid of alts, but players should at least be limited to just 3 (i.e. you canÆt delete alts.) Basically the 3 chars you create are tied to the CD key and canÆt be deleted; you have to live with you alts.
At least this way corp thiefÆs / grieferÆs and scammers will become known by their reputation and their ability to repeat scam will be limited. (An option should be added to the market to enable players to choose / limit who they want to sell / buy from.)
Sure you can get another account but that will cost you úúú for each CD-key.
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.07.12 01:44:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Xavier Arron on 12/07/2004 01:46:27
Originally by: Karkazz
I dont know why ppl are compairing this to real life, but since we are. Do you ppl really belive that a system like this, a system that could ruin you and your family financially, becasue you were tired or didnt look at the pricetag for one reason or another, would be tolerated in rl, dont think so. I bough this box of cheerios but i didnt notice that it had a pricetag of 56k, sry dude i have already charged your credit card.
Its true though its not ccp¦s fault but it is their problem if it causes ppl to leave the game.
Exactly!!!
ItÆs never happened to me yet, but its dam easy to make mistakes when youÆre tired.
This is a scam. No one would knowingly pay 10mill for a shuttle - so itÆs not an 'agreed' upon price.
I could live with scammers if there was some way to get justice / revenge, but with unlimited alts there is basically no accountability in this game.
Now I know CCP wonÆt get rid of alts, but players should at least be limited to just 3 (i.e. you canÆt delete alts.) Basically the 3 chars you create are tied to the CD key and canÆt be deleted; you have to live with you alts.
At least this way corp thiefÆs / grieferÆs and scammers will become known by their reputation and their ability to repeat scam will be limited. (An option should be added to the market to enable players to choose / limit who they want to sell / buy from.)
Sure you can get another account but that will cost you úúú for each CD-key.
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Hotice
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Posted - 2004.07.12 02:21:00 -
[71]
In other MMOGs, those that scam will have a gm visite him/her pretty quickly. You have to realize that each scamer often cost the game company more than one customer. Just take look at the price for skills near the starting station for new players. A lot of them are well over 300k instead of around 20k-40k. Can you imagine new players comes into the game try to buy an engineering or learning skill but have to pay 300k+ on the second day they enter game? Things such as skills, shuttle, tech 1 modules should be flooded into the market to bring the price down and leave no room for scamers. This way new players can actually enjoy the game a lot more. Having pvp is one thing, do nothing about scamers is another. In general, scamers are bad for the spirit of any game and should be delt swiftly.
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Hotice
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Posted - 2004.07.12 02:21:00 -
[72]
In other MMOGs, those that scam will have a gm visite him/her pretty quickly. You have to realize that each scamer often cost the game company more than one customer. Just take look at the price for skills near the starting station for new players. A lot of them are well over 300k instead of around 20k-40k. Can you imagine new players comes into the game try to buy an engineering or learning skill but have to pay 300k+ on the second day they enter game? Things such as skills, shuttle, tech 1 modules should be flooded into the market to bring the price down and leave no room for scamers. This way new players can actually enjoy the game a lot more. Having pvp is one thing, do nothing about scamers is another. In general, scamers are bad for the spirit of any game and should be delt swiftly.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.12 02:47:00 -
[73]
heh, i still have my 9.99m isk shuttle. I got inn ahurry & clicked on buy - 1 - ok -... before i realized it i have a damn expensive shuttlecraft to fly about. I keep it to remind me to never get in a hurry again.
However, the new buy-price warning thing should help fix this sort of scamming,eh? then again i suppose i might get used to instantly bypassing those, since they popup at such small price fluxuations. I thought the idea behind those was to warn you of major price fluxuations?
To me paying 60k for a 40k module is incredily unimportant & unworth my time even having to clck the window to let me buy it anyways. However if someones' trying to sell me a 40k module for 40,000,000 isk then i would darn well appreciate a warining, wouldn't you?
tralala
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Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.12 02:47:00 -
[74]
heh, i still have my 9.99m isk shuttle. I got inn ahurry & clicked on buy - 1 - ok -... before i realized it i have a damn expensive shuttlecraft to fly about. I keep it to remind me to never get in a hurry again.
However, the new buy-price warning thing should help fix this sort of scamming,eh? then again i suppose i might get used to instantly bypassing those, since they popup at such small price fluxuations. I thought the idea behind those was to warn you of major price fluxuations?
To me paying 60k for a 40k module is incredily unimportant & unworth my time even having to clck the window to let me buy it anyways. However if someones' trying to sell me a 40k module for 40,000,000 isk then i would darn well appreciate a warining, wouldn't you?
tralala
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Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
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Clan MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.13 04:42:00 -
[75]
It is very simple; You can not spend what is not in your wallet. I have XX millions sitting in the wallet of an alt character. I might have as much as 300K in my wallet at any given time. That alt charater does nothing, but sit on my excess isk.
Sitting in Duripant, I had to buy a shuttle and of the four races present, 3 were for as much as 8,999,000.00 isk. If I had boned up and bought one of them, my wallet would not let me.
It is very simple to keep from getting wacked by the Attention Deficit bug in the human cranium; Go Poor to the market.
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Clan MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.13 04:42:00 -
[76]
It is very simple; You can not spend what is not in your wallet. I have XX millions sitting in the wallet of an alt character. I might have as much as 300K in my wallet at any given time. That alt charater does nothing, but sit on my excess isk.
Sitting in Duripant, I had to buy a shuttle and of the four races present, 3 were for as much as 8,999,000.00 isk. If I had boned up and bought one of them, my wallet would not let me.
It is very simple to keep from getting wacked by the Attention Deficit bug in the human cranium; Go Poor to the market.
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:36:00 -
[77]
27M on a RCU? I can top that!
Bought a
Small SHield Booster II for 110 Million!
The warning window popped up (like every second time you buy something) and I simply didn¦t get all the zeros.
Thats really sad...but on the other side I know people who forgot to reinsure their battleship and lost the about same amount.
The most stupid thing is that I know this **** can buy a nice BS from my money...
It was a good lesson...I read the rorums if I have a chance to get my money from a GM back...doesn¦t seem so. So I transfered most of my money to one ALT i never use...lesson learned 
+++ Trade...good for you, good for me +++ |
Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:36:00 -
[78]
27M on a RCU? I can top that!
Bought a
Small SHield Booster II for 110 Million!
The warning window popped up (like every second time you buy something) and I simply didn¦t get all the zeros.
Thats really sad...but on the other side I know people who forgot to reinsure their battleship and lost the about same amount.
The most stupid thing is that I know this **** can buy a nice BS from my money...
It was a good lesson...I read the rorums if I have a chance to get my money from a GM back...doesn¦t seem so. So I transfered most of my money to one ALT i never use...lesson learned
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loladoll
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:52:00 -
[79]
Edited by: loladoll on 01/08/2004 14:53:44
Originally by: Karkazz
I dont know why ppl are compairing this to real life, but since we are. Do you ppl really belive that a system like this, a system that could ruin you and your family financially, becasue you were tired or didnt look at the pricetag for one reason or another, would be tolerated in rl, dont think so. I bough this box of cheerios but i didnt notice that it had a pricetag of 56k, sry dude i have already charged your credit card.
welll, actually the newspapers are full of these kind of things. E.g. Phone bills which are way out of control because of some virus or a por_n scam which makes you phone to barbados. Good luck trying to get your money back (it's nigh impossible). A rl friend of mine has experienced this (the virus, not the scam ). He had to pay to the phone company, even though he was scammed. He filled a complaint with the police, and they are looking into it. He expects a reply Soon(tm)
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loladoll
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:52:00 -
[80]
Edited by: loladoll on 01/08/2004 14:53:44
Originally by: Karkazz
I dont know why ppl are compairing this to real life, but since we are. Do you ppl really belive that a system like this, a system that could ruin you and your family financially, becasue you were tired or didnt look at the pricetag for one reason or another, would be tolerated in rl, dont think so. I bough this box of cheerios but i didnt notice that it had a pricetag of 56k, sry dude i have already charged your credit card.
welll, actually the newspapers are full of these kind of things. E.g. Phone bills which are way out of control because of some virus or a por_n scam which makes you phone to barbados. Good luck trying to get your money back (it's nigh impossible). A rl friend of mine has experienced this (the virus, not the scam ). He had to pay to the phone company, even though he was scammed. He filled a complaint with the police, and they are looking into it. He expects a reply Soon(tm)
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live is tough and then you get a clone |
Droidster
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Posted - 2004.08.01 15:20:00 -
[81]
I agree that allowing these scams to take place is hurting the game. It corrupts the scammers and infuriates/depresses the victim.
Saying pay attention etc is BS. The scam takes place the 1% of the time the player is NOT paying attention so blaming them is bogus. The warning comes up on practically every buy so players automatically click through it. The warning is useless.
The 1% tax in Shiva etc is one way to deal with the situation (at the cost of market liquidity -- everybody gets 1% poorer). A much better solution would be to be able to petition scammers and have cross account penalties for scamming. This would work for both market scams and escrow scams. In the real world you get thrown in jail for defauding people. It should be the same in EVE.
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Droidster
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Posted - 2004.08.01 15:20:00 -
[82]
I agree that allowing these scams to take place is hurting the game. It corrupts the scammers and infuriates/depresses the victim.
Saying pay attention etc is BS. The scam takes place the 1% of the time the player is NOT paying attention so blaming them is bogus. The warning comes up on practically every buy so players automatically click through it. The warning is useless.
The 1% tax in Shiva etc is one way to deal with the situation (at the cost of market liquidity -- everybody gets 1% poorer). A much better solution would be to be able to petition scammers and have cross account penalties for scamming. This would work for both market scams and escrow scams. In the real world you get thrown in jail for defauding people. It should be the same in EVE.
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Frazzled
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:03:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Adriana
The thing some of you are missing the boat on is that I am not talking about a shuttle named a shuttle and priced for 1,000,000 isk. I'm talking about a shuttle named apoc and priced accordingly.
In the first case you just paid entirely too much for a shuttle, but the buyer didn't misrepresent what he was selling you.
In the second case the buyer is guilty of FRAUD because he told you you were getting one thing, and then sold you another. Thats fraud, the police WOULD wtfpwn you, and you would go merrily to jail.
All well and good, however If I were to use my common sense: Someone puts a ford escort (one worth about 500 quid) onto a second hand car sales forecourt. However they label it "Ferrari" and stick a price tag of 30,000 quid on it. Yes the seller is in the wrong, but then I am the one being silly enough to spend my hard earned cash without checking it first!!! And if the seller was using a false name and ran off, how would the police now who he was? By inspecting the chat logs or game logs? duh
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Frazzled
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:03:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Adriana
The thing some of you are missing the boat on is that I am not talking about a shuttle named a shuttle and priced for 1,000,000 isk. I'm talking about a shuttle named apoc and priced accordingly.
In the first case you just paid entirely too much for a shuttle, but the buyer didn't misrepresent what he was selling you.
In the second case the buyer is guilty of FRAUD because he told you you were getting one thing, and then sold you another. Thats fraud, the police WOULD wtfpwn you, and you would go merrily to jail.
All well and good, however If I were to use my common sense: Someone puts a ford escort (one worth about 500 quid) onto a second hand car sales forecourt. However they label it "Ferrari" and stick a price tag of 30,000 quid on it. Yes the seller is in the wrong, but then I am the one being silly enough to spend my hard earned cash without checking it first!!! And if the seller was using a false name and ran off, how would the police now who he was? By inspecting the chat logs or game logs? duh
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.08.01 17:29:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Astinius on 01/08/2004 17:47:42
I am well over this incident. I have aquired my losses by at least double through non scamming ways. I took someone's advice and created an alt that I use to store all my surplus ISK. This wont happen to me again even if I blindly click ok to everything I buy. I made sure it can't. Having multiple accounts in Shiva will make this even easier to avoid.
I have revised my thinking on the scamming issue:
If it stays "which I do not mind now" the buyer should have the ability to mark the seller with his opinion of him. Someone mentioned flagging him as a theif. If he gets enough of these flags, people will not do business with him.
If CCP does not add this type of function then it should go, buyers just need to have any type of recourse.
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.08.01 17:29:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Astinius on 01/08/2004 17:47:42
I am well over this incident. I have aquired my losses by at least double through non scamming ways. I took someone's advice and created an alt that I use to store all my surplus ISK. This wont happen to me again even if I blindly click ok to everything I buy. I made sure it can't. Having multiple accounts in Shiva will make this even easier to avoid.
I have revised my thinking on the scamming issue:
If it stays "which I do not mind now" the buyer should have the ability to mark the seller with his opinion of him. Someone mentioned flagging him as a theif. If he gets enough of these flags, people will not do business with him.
If CCP does not add this type of function then it should go, buyers just need to have any type of recourse.
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Vilkata
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Posted - 2004.08.01 18:33:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Hello, I got scammed, please alocate five people to protect me from my own stupidity.
That's right, it's the victim's fault.. be sure to tell that to women who get beaten by their husbands or children who get molested. The person who has malicious intent certainly couldn't be to blame.
Vilkata
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Vilkata
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Posted - 2004.08.01 18:33:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Hello, I got scammed, please alocate five people to protect me from my own stupidity.
That's right, it's the victim's fault.. be sure to tell that to women who get beaten by their husbands or children who get molested. The person who has malicious intent certainly couldn't be to blame.
Vilkata
Mascot of Rome |
JoCool
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Posted - 2004.08.01 20:00:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Vilkata
That's right, it's the victim's fault.. be sure to tell that to women who get beaten by their husbands or children who get molested. The person who has malicious intent certainly couldn't be to blame.
A very *improper* comparisation.
You know what, if some people are too pathetic to check escrow deals or read numbers correctly they shouldn't be sitting at home playing this game and go back to school instead.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.08.01 20:00:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Vilkata
That's right, it's the victim's fault.. be sure to tell that to women who get beaten by their husbands or children who get molested. The person who has malicious intent certainly couldn't be to blame.
A very *improper* comparisation.
You know what, if some people are too pathetic to check escrow deals or read numbers correctly they shouldn't be sitting at home playing this game and go back to school instead.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.08.01 20:02:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Astinius
...
I have revised my thinking on the scamming issue:
If it stays "which I do not mind now" the buyer should have the ability to mark the seller with his opinion of him. Someone mentioned flagging him as a theif. If he gets enough of these flags, people will not do business with him.
If CCP does not add this type of function then it should go, buyers just need to have any type of recourse.
Very well. But what would you think would happen then? What would stop people from buying stuff and giving bad marks, perhaps because they didn't like the price? YOu would have a new tool for grief that could be exploited easily.
No thanks.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.08.01 20:02:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Astinius
...
I have revised my thinking on the scamming issue:
If it stays "which I do not mind now" the buyer should have the ability to mark the seller with his opinion of him. Someone mentioned flagging him as a theif. If he gets enough of these flags, people will not do business with him.
If CCP does not add this type of function then it should go, buyers just need to have any type of recourse.
Very well. But what would you think would happen then? What would stop people from buying stuff and giving bad marks, perhaps because they didn't like the price? YOu would have a new tool for grief that could be exploited easily.
No thanks.
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.08.01 21:15:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Celebon
double click on the ESCROW goods, you don't need to use rclick > inspect.
That removes the chance of accidentily hiting claim.
Didn't know that. well, I guess the game still has a few things to be learned.
And should you happen to click claim once, a box appears with something like; "Do you want to claim... <content of escrow> ... for the price of xxxx isk" Click "Yes" or "No"
Anyway, tough luck, and back to working your fortune up again. Allways easier second time :)
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.08.01 21:15:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Celebon
double click on the ESCROW goods, you don't need to use rclick > inspect.
That removes the chance of accidentily hiting claim.
Didn't know that. well, I guess the game still has a few things to be learned.
And should you happen to click claim once, a box appears with something like; "Do you want to claim... <content of escrow> ... for the price of xxxx isk" Click "Yes" or "No"
Anyway, tough luck, and back to working your fortune up again. Allways easier second time :)
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:08:18
Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:07:48
It just struck me that I forgot to expose the scammer who started this whole thing...
FIREEHOT II
Who has an alt as well called FIREEHOT
She sets up hunting games in the Bourynes system. I recommend you do not participate.
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:16:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:08:18
Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:07:48
It just struck me that I forgot to expose the scammer who started this whole thing...
FIREEHOT II
Who has an alt as well called FIREEHOT
She sets up hunting games in the Bourynes system. I recommend you do not participate.
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svetlana
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Posted - 2004.08.04 19:02:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Adriana
...CCP should not be supporting fraud from player to player. They should be making it as difficult as possible in fact. So please CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!! It's getting really really old when half the stuff on the escrow market are scams named as other items.
I know you can inspect them, and double check and triple check the numbers before pressing the ok button, but this is just asking for a situation whereby you lose customers. One scam can ruin someone, and when they figure out that there is nothing to be done, and that you guys actually approve of things like this they often just say the hell with it and leave.
Eve isn't one of those gentle games that you may be used to. it is not a mass market carebear game that protects and coddles you and spoonfeeds entertainment to you in 15minutes after you get home from work. it doesn't exist to appeal to mass market and make millions for it's shareholders of the parent company.
Scamming and theft is part of the original game design (read box). just like a few other games which incorporate intense backstabbing or trickery as part of the play (note the game "Diplomacy"). It's not for everyone and that is fine- go play something else then!
Eve is purposely a hardcore evironment where in seconds you can lose everything- this is a rare game where the stakes are so high that it gives you moments of extreme adrenaline rush and drives you mad when things go wrong- events in this game have more value because of it. Other games you can get killed a thousand times and you don't even care. if you don't like a type of game which has brutal consequences for making stupid mistakes then get out and play any game from EA.
thnx.
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svetlana
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Posted - 2004.08.04 19:02:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Adriana
...CCP should not be supporting fraud from player to player. They should be making it as difficult as possible in fact. So please CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!! It's getting really really old when half the stuff on the escrow market are scams named as other items.
I know you can inspect them, and double check and triple check the numbers before pressing the ok button, but this is just asking for a situation whereby you lose customers. One scam can ruin someone, and when they figure out that there is nothing to be done, and that you guys actually approve of things like this they often just say the hell with it and leave.
Eve isn't one of those gentle games that you may be used to. it is not a mass market carebear game that protects and coddles you and spoonfeeds entertainment to you in 15minutes after you get home from work. it doesn't exist to appeal to mass market and make millions for it's shareholders of the parent company.
Scamming and theft is part of the original game design (read box). just like a few other games which incorporate intense backstabbing or trickery as part of the play (note the game "Diplomacy"). It's not for everyone and that is fine- go play something else then!
Eve is purposely a hardcore evironment where in seconds you can lose everything- this is a rare game where the stakes are so high that it gives you moments of extreme adrenaline rush and drives you mad when things go wrong- events in this game have more value because of it. Other games you can get killed a thousand times and you don't even care. if you don't like a type of game which has brutal consequences for making stupid mistakes then get out and play any game from EA.
thnx.
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Larno
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:03:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Vogon
Whats needed is a central bank, like in RL. You could put all your spare isk in it and just keep a float to keep you going. Hey, I think I'll start a bank. Just open an account with me. Deposit your money with me and I'll look after it for you...ok?
www.vogon.homestead.com
Except youre an Ore thief you *******. You stole about 2 hours mining from me when I was a noob.
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Larno
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:03:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Vogon
Whats needed is a central bank, like in RL. You could put all your spare isk in it and just keep a float to keep you going. Hey, I think I'll start a bank. Just open an account with me. Deposit your money with me and I'll look after it for you...ok?
www.vogon.homestead.com
Except youre an Ore thief you *******. You stole about 2 hours mining from me when I was a noob.
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stok
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:14:00 -
[101]
Edited by: stok on 04/08/2004 20:31:36
Edited by: stok on 04/08/2004 20:21:17
Originally by: Astinius
Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:08:18
Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:07:48
It just struck me that I forgot to expose the scammer who started this whole thing...
FIREEHOT II
Who has an alt as well called FIREEHOT
She sets up hunting games in the Bourynes system. I recommend you do not participate.
I was in a rush once, and needed a RCU iirc. After clicking it, i realised it looked like more than 17k. It was 17M.
I learned from it, and always check things 3 times at least.
As long as she doesn't got < .4 there's jack**** you can do about her.
Ow and, the person I bought from was the same you mention...
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stok
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:14:00 -
[102]
Edited by: stok on 04/08/2004 20:31:36
Edited by: stok on 04/08/2004 20:21:17
Originally by: Astinius
Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:08:18
Edited by: Astinius on 04/08/2004 19:07:48
It just struck me that I forgot to expose the scammer who started this whole thing...
FIREEHOT II
Who has an alt as well called FIREEHOT
She sets up hunting games in the Bourynes system. I recommend you do not participate.
I was in a rush once, and needed a RCU iirc. After clicking it, i realised it looked like more than 17k. It was 17M.
I learned from it, and always check things 3 times at least.
As long as she doesn't got < .4 there's jack**** you can do about her.
Ow and, the person I bought from was the same you mention...
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Molly Razor
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Posted - 2004.08.04 21:32:00 -
[103]
Though I understand the risk in escrow, and the place it has in the game, it would be nice if it wasn't possible to evade detection through the use of Alt characters.
I've come close to paying harvester prices for basic mining drones. I'd be more interested in blowing up the scammer than getting my money back.
Just as there are consequences to not paying attention to the merchandise, there should be penalties for a "life of crime".
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Molly Razor
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Posted - 2004.08.04 21:32:00 -
[104]
Though I understand the risk in escrow, and the place it has in the game, it would be nice if it wasn't possible to evade detection through the use of Alt characters.
I've come close to paying harvester prices for basic mining drones. I'd be more interested in blowing up the scammer than getting my money back.
Just as there are consequences to not paying attention to the merchandise, there should be penalties for a "life of crime".
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Radeck
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Posted - 2004.08.04 23:01:00 -
[105]
one EASY solution for the market scam is to RIGHT justify the prices, instead of LEFT justify as they are now...that will make it MUCH easier to notice dirbags adding a zero to the end of their ask price...simple, yet effective...usually currency values are always right justified for this very reason...i have no idea why CCP decided to left justify the advanced market currency amounts....it just doesnt make sense.
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Radeck
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Posted - 2004.08.04 23:01:00 -
[106]
one EASY solution for the market scam is to RIGHT justify the prices, instead of LEFT justify as they are now...that will make it MUCH easier to notice dirbags adding a zero to the end of their ask price...simple, yet effective...usually currency values are always right justified for this very reason...i have no idea why CCP decided to left justify the advanced market currency amounts....it just doesnt make sense.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:18:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Adriana
The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
They would only take action if the buyer had lied about the price or what you were buying. If you are careless or stupid enough to pay over the odds for something then it's your fault. Pay more attention next time.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality. |
Andrue
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:18:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Adriana
The thing with scammers is that there is no recourse. If something like this happened irl you would go to the police and say hey I've been scammed, and the police would then look for the scammer and wtfpwn him.
They would only take action if the buyer had lied about the price or what you were buying. If you are careless or stupid enough to pay over the odds for something then it's your fault. Pay more attention next time.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality. |
Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:43:00 -
[109]
Can I make an obvious point that people seem to have missed? As we can't train up our perception skills in real life was well as we can in game, perhaps the trouble is with the FONT and COLOURS of the market window. Black text on a white background would be easier to make out, particularly as the Eve market/cash font is so small. This is the main problem imho, because sometimes I really have to study the digits hard to make out how much it is!
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:43:00 -
[110]
Can I make an obvious point that people seem to have missed? As we can't train up our perception skills in real life was well as we can in game, perhaps the trouble is with the FONT and COLOURS of the market window. Black text on a white background would be easier to make out, particularly as the Eve market/cash font is so small. This is the main problem imho, because sometimes I really have to study the digits hard to make out how much it is!
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x bunny
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Posted - 2004.08.05 16:22:00 -
[111]
the price scam doesn't work well with the market changes (well done CCP). Unlike before when it showed everything now it only show the cheapest, the closest and the item with the most volume in the advanced info.
i got 0 isk from my scams in 2 months (and i have a wide range of items) , before i got at least 20m/week. So there's nothing to whine for now
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x bunny
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Posted - 2004.08.05 16:22:00 -
[112]
the price scam doesn't work well with the market changes (well done CCP). Unlike before when it showed everything now it only show the cheapest, the closest and the item with the most volume in the advanced info.
i got 0 isk from my scams in 2 months (and i have a wide range of items) , before i got at least 20m/week. So there's nothing to whine for now
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