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Intrepid Reporter
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:09:00 -
[901]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Intrepid Reporter
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain So... wheres the lynch mob to go after Evoke?
Guess it's not fun when the target isn't BoB.
Unfortunately we can't, as this time CCP already did the correct action by banning the cheaters responsible. I know, sometimes it is fun to rabble rouse and all, but it is kinda hard with the rather tight and strict moderation that goes on around here.
T20 was reprimanded, too. You still wont let BoB live that one down.
At least show some consistency.
Large difference between "not allowed to play the game" and "told was a bad boy"
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:11:00 -
[902]
Originally by: Hczer The economic crisis is now in-game
art imitates life?
oh, and BURN THEM! BURN THE WITCH! BUUUURRRN HERRRR!
/thanks for the rundown ccp. i think i can speak on behalf of the mob when i say you not telling us specific names makes the torches burn a little dimmer ... but if you could it would surely raise the volume of our RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time |
Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:11:00 -
[903]
Originally by: Intrepid Reporter
Large difference between "not allowed to play the game" and "told was a bad boy"
I must have missed the part where CCP said they let him have another player account with GM powers.
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Rramar Claime
Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:13:00 -
[904]
Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: Rramar Claime
meh lol?? :D oh well CCP didnt admit it so its not true?
Hardly, but you completely missed the point. How is that one guy a credible source? We have no reason to believe him. But in the end, you may be right about CCP, in which case we may never know the full truth. I am reserving judgement until they finish their investigation, but atm it doesn't look like we are getting much :/
That is true and agreed :)
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:15:00 -
[905]
Originally by: Caldari's Revenge I hope you, CCP, give us more information about the extent of this exploit
LOL Your joking right
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Mamer
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:17:00 -
[906]
I for one would be all for a delay in any patch so they can focus on the depth and magnitude of this exploit. Those responsible need to pay. Track isk transfers, adjust people's wallets that benefited from this incident, track credit card numbers/names to alts, and ban the whole lot of them.
Mamerjamer
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:20:00 -
[907]
CCP should simply use the research methods used to track down RMT ISK salves and remove any and all ISK gained directly through the use of the exploit, banning any extensive benefactors even outside the direct exploitation rings.
If whole alliances and powerblocks would fall apart from this, so be it.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Detorie
Eve Defence Force Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:21:00 -
[908]
Nothing to add, just feel my face should be on such an epic thread.
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Mamer
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:24:00 -
[909]
Agreed. A strong message needs to be sent to people playing that there will be consequences for your actions. It will make people think twice before engaging in these acts in the future and report it. The more severe and extreme the consequences I am all for it. Time to take the nerf off the ban stick and start knocking some heads, and I'm sure the first few might be inside ccp's office.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:28:00 -
[910]
Originally by: Abrazzar CCP should simply use the research methods used to track down RMT ISK salves and remove any and all ISK gained directly through the use of the exploit, banning any extensive benefactors even outside the direct exploitation rings.
If whole alliances and powerblocks would fall apart from this, so be it.
So much the better, in fact.
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Fighter26
Center for Deformed Hamsters
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:28:00 -
[911]
It's a great time to put up stations
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DaiTengu
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:30:00 -
[912]
Edited by: DaiTengu on 11/12/2008 18:30:31
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Intrepid Reporter
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain So... wheres the lynch mob to go after Evoke?
Guess it's not fun when the target isn't BoB.
Unfortunately we can't, as this time CCP already did the correct action by banning the cheaters responsible. I know, sometimes it is fun to rabble rouse and all, but it is kinda hard with the rather tight and strict moderation that goes on around here.
T20 was reprimanded, too. You still wont let BoB live that one down.
At least show some consistency.
Not being able to be in BoB is not a reprimand. The guy put in his resignation to CCP and it was rejected.
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Spike Spiegle
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:31:00 -
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Isn't CCP just as much to blame as anyone who used the exploit, if they knew about it for 4 years why didn't they act?
Are you now trawling those "elusive" server logs that never exsist to find out if others have proffited from this in the past?
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Dr Missy
Aspire Academy Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:31:00 -
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A coincidence that t3 won't be linked to t2 components?
/me reaches for the roll of tinfoil
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Cuchulain Spartan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:35:00 -
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Quote: On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that.
Ok, the above quote from the CCP OP suggests that the petition was 5 days old on the 7th of December, which suggests the 2nd of December was the file date?
Quote: Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching. The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially.
Ok, so this bug was made aware to CCP 9 days ok. The fact that it is a 9 day old bug would suggest a minimal market impact. How is it going to have a CONSIDERABLE AND FAR REACHING effects on the market in such a short period of time? It is only 9 days old according to CCP? There is no way it could go unnoticed for so long by CCP is there?
Only answer that I can think of is that it has been going on for a long long time and left unchecked. Looking back at CCP Dev history and lack of honesty, this isnt to hard to believe.
It's interesting how the funds generated from this exploit were used to fund null sec wars, the likes of which CCP have always dreamed about, and wars that might never have happened if this bug had been caught many years ago, hmmmm makes me wonder
Its also interesting how Alchemy arrives around the same time as this exploit is being shut down. A bit of a coincidence me thinks.
If it turns out to be 4 years old then my faith in CCP has been really shaken to the core. I really do hope this is an innocent oversight by CCP and not a repeat of history i.e.CCP developer Vincent "t20" P.
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MultiP
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan
Quote: On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that.
Ok, the above quote from the CCP OP suggests that the petition was 5 days old on the 7th of December, which suggests the 2nd of December was the file date?
Quote: Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching. The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially.
Ok, so this bug was made aware to CCP 9 days ok. The fact that it is a 9 day old bug would suggest a minimal market impact. How is it going to have a CONSIDERABLE AND FAR REACHING effects on the market in such a short period of time? It is only 9 days old according to CCP? There is no way it could go unnoticed for so long by CCP is there?
Only answer that I can think of is that it has been going on for a long long time and left unchecked. Looking back at CCP Dev history and lack of honesty, this isnt to hard to believe.
It's interesting how the funds generated from this exploit were used to fund null sec wars, the likes of which CCP have always dreamed about, and wars that might never have happened if this bug had been caught many years ago, hmmmm makes me wonder
Its also interesting how Alchemy arrives around the same time as this exploit is being shut down. A bit of a coincidence me thinks.
If it turns out to be 4 years old then my faith in CCP has been really shaken to the core. I really do hope this is an innocent oversight by CCP and not a repeat of history i.e.CCP developer Vincent "t20" P.
The date of the petition has nothing to do with the date people started using the exploit.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:38:00 -
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guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
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Wesley Baird
BURN EDEN Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:42:00 -
[918]
Originally by: Mr Manufacture guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
Not my alt!! Seriously!
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ferique
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:43:00 -
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I'm afraid this rather late comeing fix of the problem has come far to late for the people that have now been banned, to be honest i think its disgusting how they have been treated, its a game dynamic ccp obviously didnt bother testing themselves, and shows obvious flaws in there QA system, rather than banning 70 paying customers, they should be fireing thhe staff involved in this over sight, after all 4 years is a long time for this to go on. Dont get me wrong i like this game but i think alot of problems and implamentation of new systems and code into the game is done slap dash, I think you should re think this knee jerk reaction of instant banning, as the blame firmly rest on your door ccp.
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Thaydren Kung
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:44:00 -
[920]
After reading the initial disclosure from CCP Wrangler, I was a little confused about what the exploit was and how it effected me personally. In the end I have read pages and pages of the player base demanding everything from indepth investigations with full disclosure to public hangings to be held in ever sector of Eve. Personally everyone needs to slow down.
What happened here sounds like a massive attempt to exploit and gain, in the end, a endless supply of free isk (whether in the form of ships, modules, minerals, or just isk really doesn't matter). How many people were involved, the length of the exploit in duration, and how the people involved benefitted really is of no consequence anymore. The only thing of consequence is what happens now.
Personally I find bannings a little rediculous. Instead I suggest these three things as an alternative to bannings.
First, publish the names and corporations (including alts) of those involved and place them as War Targets to everyone in Eve for say 6 months. Let's face it letting them go means they don't actually pay for anything, as there accounts where paid for with free isk anyways. Justice demands a public record.
Second, strip the characters and corporations (including alts) of isk and assets including ships, POS, etc. Basically give the players and corp only enough for say a T1 fit cruiser. Should make being flagged to everyone in Eve entertaining for them.
Lastly, strip all players involved (including alts) of say 25% of there SP. And remove all capital skills from their character skill sets, make them earn the isk for those books legitimately like everyone else.
I think that this method is much more entertaining and the people of Eve can actually do something against those that exploit Eve. They can destroy them and there will to continue in the Universe. They can shun these individuals just like the executives of the real world.
They didn't threaten anyone, they exploited something that was never fixed, whether the explit was known or not to those in charge.
Let us be the sword of justice, not a ban that leaves us empty of any justice.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan
If it turns out to be 4 years old then my faith in CCP has been really shaken to the core. I really do hope this is an innocent oversight by CCP and not a repeat of history i.e.CCP developer Vincent "t20" P.
I think everyone here doesn't have faith in CCP to do an outstanding job... not even a minimal job. But the fact remains are you going to leave or stay? The only way CCP will even consider taking their heads out of their arses if there is a mass drop in subscriptions. Until then, they'll get by with twists and lies to make them seem worthy of a game of this magnitude.
I'm sure they are debating what to release and talking to a dozen consultants as to how to manage this travesty. In the end, you can quite possibly see ONLY the CSM finding out and never being able to reveal the details. Even quite possibly, giving them false details to protect CCP and their own "POS exploit" so to speak... meaning their Eve subscribers. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
croakroach
Gallente DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:47:00 -
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We demand name and shame post the corps names my 2 iskies in da basket
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Captain Politics
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Politics on 11/12/2008 18:48:35
Originally by: croakroach We demand name and shame post the corps names my 2 iskies in da basket
Look at scrapheap-challenge.com in the general forum. Post will be cleared if we post them here...
And by the way T20 no longer works for CCP he quit about 3 months ago or so.
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Cuchulain Spartan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:48:00 -
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Quote: The date of the petition has nothing to do with the date people started using the exploit.
I agree entirley.
The fact that the exploit shutdown is going to have such far reaching effects and impacts on the market according to CCP OP suggests that the exploit has been in existance for a long long time and not just reported on the 2nd December. The 2nd December is just a smokescreen in my eyes to hide the scale and duration of this exploit. Giving a date makes it look like CCP jumped in to save the day very promptly once the exploit report was filled.
Any exploit like this running for such a lenght of time generating so much isk and trade could not have gone unnoticed unless allowed to by 1 or more members of CCP.
Thats the point I was making on the dates, such an impact cant have happened in such a short space of time.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:49:00 -
[925]
Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Mr Manufacture guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
Not my alt!! Seriously!
are you sure? you posted 4 minutes after me
it aint looking good
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Aramith
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Manufacture guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
you know you can say the same thing about a number of alliances. I have heard that BoB has closer to 30 titans not the 15 or so listed in the "known Titans" thread in COAD. I am also sure they a large number of POS to support with fuel.
Or what about AAA i mean they have atleast 11 titans and they claim space and are bound to have quite a few POS up and running as well.
Are you just upset because you tried to get into a corp in morsus mihi and got rejected? Or did whatever corp/alliance your main belongs to get beat up on when they attacked/were attacked by MM?
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Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan
Its also interesting how Alchemy arrives around the same time as this exploit is being shut down. A bit of a coincidence me thinks.
Alchemy (or rather various similar means to the same ends) was discussed for a long time in the industry forum before its announcement. The words of the announcement showed that CCP had taken much of the arguments there on board, so little cause for paranoia there. If this exploit is older than a couple of months, it may be that the parameters of the alchemy process need to be revised. It depends just how much inaccurate data is out there...
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:50:00 -
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Well well well. How ironic that the people trying to dig graves for others ended up digging their own grave
For future, there should be a name and shame for people guilty of this. Hall of Infamy --
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Ronja
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:51:00 -
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If I knew of this 4 years ago, I'd do it in a heartbeat. That's 4 years of free gamemplay filled with god-like status. Cudoes to the 'xploiters!
CCP Economist guys fail!!!! Not notice something this big is hillarious, you should work for US government :)
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:51:00 -
[930]
Originally by: Aramith
Originally by: Mr Manufacture guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
you know you can say the same thing about a number of alliances. I have heard that BoB has closer to 30 titans not the 15 or so listed in the "known Titans" thread in COAD. I am also sure they a large number of POS to support with fuel.
Or what about AAA i mean they have atleast 11 titans and they claim space and are bound to have quite a few POS up and running as well.
Are you just upset because you tried to get into a corp in morsus mihi and got rejected? Or did whatever corp/alliance your main belongs to get beat up on when they attacked/were attacked by MM?
BoB have moon income which is off the scale. Do you have any idea how many high end moons and T2 BPO's they have? They've been rich for a very long time.
Morsus Mihi however have had barely a handful of high-ends. There is NO OTHER ALLIANCE in the whole game who fuel the amount of POS they do, have 10+ titans, and free dreads/carriers to all members, and live in space as crappy as theirs.
Not a single one. So don't come here and say 'that can apply to any number of alliances' because the truth is that it applies to NONE. Apart from MM.
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