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Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 So, this guy fires on me first the moment I undock. So, I fire back. BAM I have a 15 minute aggression timer, and he got me warp scrambled all of a sudden. So, I can't warp out, and every time I try docking it says some crap about aggression. WHAT?! I have a 2.0 POSITIVE security RATING, he has like -8.0 or something, he fired on me FIRST, I fired BACK! WHY AM I THE ONE WITH THE AGGRESSION TIMER? To make things worse I lagged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? Update: Turns out I was pod killed while lagging out, so there goes the high level implants too. Caldari Nationalist Party
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:18:00 - [2] Pwned. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:19:00 - [3] lol
Sorlac Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 Is there anything that can be done? You will generally get better results when you file a petition than crying on the forums.
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:25:00 - [5] well you fired a shot so agro thats the way it works next time don't fire if your going to dock up or make sure your tank can last 60 sec, that helps a lot :) ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Cors It's A Trap White Core	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:27:00 - [6] The agression timer is the way it is because that's how CCP decided they want it. If you give them good logical reason for change, they will listen. Nothing saying they'll change it, but they will listen if you are polite. Almost all replies will be either straight flames or variations of "Don't undock unless you can afford to loose it." or "know the rules of the land" before playing. The fact that you're in a Commandship, in lowsec/0.0 and you don't know about the agression timers tells me you've either been carebearing it up in empire since you started playing eve, or you're VERY new to the game and bought your account. either way, learn the rules of lowsec/0.0 BEFORE you go there.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Bohoba well you fired a shot so agro thats the way it works next time don't fire if your going to dock up or make sure your tank can last 60 sec, that helps a lot :) So, you get the aggro timer whether you're attacking or defending? Yeah I got pwned, lol. STFU Trying to get some good responses here. Caldari Nationalist Party
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Cors either way, learn the rules of lowsec/0.0 BEFORE you go there. Or go there in cheaper ships and clones until you learn. I promise nothingÖ. --CCP Prism X
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Sorlac Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 Is there anything that can be done? You will generally get better results when you file a petition than crying on the forums. Yup. Already on that **. Caldari Nationalist Party**
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Cors The agression timer is the way it is because that's how CCP decided they want it. If you give them good logical reason for change, they will listen. Nothing saying they'll change it, but they will listen if you are polite. Almost all replies will be either straight flames or variations of "Don't undock unless you can afford to loose it." or "know the rules of the land" before playing. The fact that you're in a Commandship, in lowsec/0.0 and you don't know about the agression timers tells me you've either been carebearing it up in empire since you started playing eve, or you're VERY new to the game and bought your account. either way, learn the rules of lowsec/0.0 BEFORE you go there. Yup, I've mostly been running missions, hence the high Caldari State and Caldari Navy standings. I'd LIKE to get into PvP, but... I mostly fly solo, and I don't want to join an alliance/corp that has a strict "attendance policy" and no clear and logical mission statement of any sort. A good mission statement would be "kill any non Caldari for any reason whatsoever" for example. Caldari Nationalist Party
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:34:00 - [11] 1st you shot back. That creates the yellow aggression. You have to completely stop shooting for an entire minute before u can redock. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:35:00 - [12] Also he didn't fire at you as soon as you undocked. The earliest he could have fired at you would still have allowed you time to align and warp in a CS due to undocking targeting invulnerability.
place1 Amarr New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Sorlac Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 Is there anything that can be done? You will generally get better results when you file a petition than crying on the forums. Yup. Already on that ****. likely a petition is going to get you no were seeing as you fired on them the aggression timer is not a bug or exploit / cheat you just need to know the rules of the game before you try to play with expensive ships. IE don't buy your account even care bear's knows of the aggression timer.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Cors The agression timer is the way it is because that's how CCP decided they want it. If you give them good logical reason for change, they will listen. Nothing saying they'll change it, but they will listen if you are polite. Almost all replies will be either straight flames or variations of "Don't undock unless you can afford to loose it." or "know the rules of the land" before playing. The fact that you're in a Commandship, in lowsec/0.0 and you don't know about the agression timers tells me you've either been carebearing it up in empire since you started playing eve, or you're VERY new to the game and bought your account. either way, learn the rules of lowsec/0.0 BEFORE you go there. What sucks A LOT is I did not get ANY notification such as "you're going to get a really sty aggression timer, which will prevent you from docking, if you choose to attack this guy WHETHER YOU DO IT IN SELF DEFENSE OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER". Seriously, where is the bloody "are you sure" notification? I should have just bought those bandit tags off the market instead of dealing with a game mechanic that has not been completely refined to perfection yet. I know I might get flamed for this statement, but I just pointed out an obvious oversight that should have been included. A YES/NO CONFIRMATION LETTING ME KNOW THERE WILL BE A BLOODY AGGRESSION TIMER PREVENTING ME FROM DOCKING!!!! Caldari Nationalist Party**
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Cors The agression timer is the way it is because that's how CCP decided they want it. If you give them good logical reason for change, they will listen. Nothing saying they'll change it, but they will listen if you are polite. Almost all replies will be either straight flames or variations of "Don't undock unless you can afford to loose it." or "know the rules of the land" before playing. The fact that you're in a Commandship, in lowsec/0.0 and you don't know about the agression timers tells me you've either been carebearing it up in empire since you started playing eve, or you're VERY new to the game and bought your account. either way, learn the rules of lowsec/0.0 BEFORE you go there. What sucks A LOT is I did not get ANY notification such as "you're going to get a really sty aggression timer, which will prevent you from docking, if you choose to attack this guy WHETHER YOU DO IT IN SELF DEFENSE OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER". Seriously, where is the bloody "are you sure" notification? I should have just bought those bandit tags off the market instead of dealing with a game mechanic that has not been completely refined to perfection yet. I know I might get flamed for this statement, but I just pointed out an obvious oversight that should have been included. A YES/NO CONFIRMATION LETTING ME KNOW THERE WILL BE A BLOODY AGGRESSION TIMER PREVENTING ME FROM DOCKING!!!!** Poor poor noob. You had a chance of surviving this thread before. EVE is harsh universe. It doesn't hold your hand while you decide whether fighting someone may end badly for you. Seriously, what did you expect to happen when you fired back? ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Cors The agression timer is the way it is because that's how CCP decided they want it. If you give them good logical reason for change, they will listen. Nothing saying they'll change it, but they will listen if you are polite. Almost all replies will be either straight flames or variations of "Don't undock unless you can afford to loose it." or "know the rules of the land" before playing. The fact that you're in a Commandship, in lowsec/0.0 and you don't know about the agression timers tells me you've either been carebearing it up in empire since you started playing eve, or you're VERY new to the game and bought your account. either way, learn the rules of lowsec/0.0 BEFORE you go there. What sucks A LOT is I did not get ANY notification such as "you're going to get a really sty aggression timer, which will prevent you from docking, if you choose to attack this guy WHETHER YOU DO IT IN SELF DEFENSE OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER". Seriously, where is the bloody "are you sure" notification? I should have just bought those bandit tags off the market instead of dealing with a game mechanic that has not been completely refined to perfection yet. I know I might get flamed for this statement, but I just pointed out an obvious oversight that should have been included. A YES/NO CONFIRMATION LETTING ME KNOW THERE WILL BE A BLOODY AGGRESSION TIMER PREVENTING ME FROM DOCKING!!!! Poor poor noob. You had a chance of surviving this thread before. EVE is harsh universe. It doesn't hold your hand while you decide whether fighting someone may end badly for you. Seriously, what did you expect to happen when you fired back? I expected to be able to re-dock at a corporate facility belonging to the Caldari State (which I have a high faction standing with), especially considering that they were obviously pirates (-8 to -10 sec rating), and I was obviously not a pirate (+2 to sec rating). It seems obvious to me :P Caldari Nationalist Party**
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:56:00 - [17] Well, now you know. And you learned it the hard way, as opposed to reading the page about how PvP/agression timers work. Next time you'll know better. /thread _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:59:00 - [18] What can tank both station sentries and a Nighthawk long enough to kill a Nighthawk? That's what I want to know.
Matthew Cooper Minmatar The Carboxyl Group	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:01:00 - [19] State War Academy from 2004.06.12 05:56 to 2004.06.12 21:36 How did it take you four years to figure out this game mechanic? Originally by: Tarminic Stop posting with your alt Kieron.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Akita T Well, now you know. And you learned it the hard way, as opposed to reading the page about how PvP/agression timers work. Next time you'll know better. /thread Instructions? There's instructions? Caldari Nationalist Party
place1 Amarr New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Akita T Well, now you know. And you learned it the hard way, as opposed to reading the page about how PvP/agression timers work. Next time you'll know better. /thread Instructions? There's instructions? Obvious bought account.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:06:00 - [22] Originally by: place1 Obvious bought account. And it was bought by Captain Oblivious Thunderpants!
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:10:00 - [23] you realize that the aggression timer had nothing to do with why you couldn't re-dock right? right? after any offensive action by you (or your drones), there's a 30 second timer before you can dock at a station or use a stargate, not 15 min. That 15min is simply the time when people/corp listed in the timer can legally fire at you w/o triggering global criminal flag (if they haven't already), and has nothing to do with whether you can dock or not.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:11:00 - [24] Originally by: place1 Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Akita T Well, now you know. And you learned it the hard way, as opposed to reading the page about how PvP/agression timers work. Next time you'll know better. /thread Instructions? There's instructions? Obvious bought account. ROFL! I wish, then I'd have a good excuse. LOL! Caldari Nationalist Party
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Dirk Magnum lol
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin ROFL! I wish, then I'd have a good excuse. LOL! So you are just crap? Well, you can still pretend that you bought it.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Sobach you realize that the aggression timer had nothing to do with why you couldn't re-dock right? right? after any offensive action by you (or your drones), there's a 30 second timer before you can dock at a station or use a stargate, not 15 min. That 15min is simply the time when people/corp listed in the timer can legally fire at you w/o triggering global criminal flag (if they haven't already), and has nothing to do with whether you can dock or not. Ok, yeah you just confused me even more. Global criminal flag, 30 second aggression timer, and a 15 minute aggression timer? WTF?!?!?! Caldari Nationalist Party
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:20:00 - [28] it's just like what it sounds... not sure what's confusing. global criminal flag: the first one to fire a shot on a non-war target in high/low sec. A red aggression timer, where you get concord'd in high sec, and shot at by sentry in lowsec, red flashy, everyone can shoot w/o losing sec status etc. etc. 15min aggression timer: you get this everytime you shoot at something, whether it be another player or an npc in missions, it's always there, it simply means the ppl listed there can fire back at you w/o incurring any sec status loss or concord/sentry response. 30sec timer: invisible, it's just that for 30 seconds after you or your drone fires on anyone and anything, you cannot dock or use a stargate, that's all.
Spike 68 Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:25:00 - [29] I think its funny several people mentioned filing a petition. Nothing is wrong here. Aggression has nothing to do with your security status. You can be +5 or -10 if you aggress another player you have to wait 1 minute before you can dock or jump. The aggression timer showed on screen because the person you fired back on can shoot you for 15min without any punishment, more or less anyway odds are he already has sentry aggro anyway. Read up in the knowledge base about it. Anyways, the best way to learn is to learn the hard way.
Whosyour Daddy Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:44:00 - [30] epic lol's are being had Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns
Rethie Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:02:00 - [31] Edited by: Rethie on 18/12/2008 05:11:31 It's only a docking aggression timer, simply put you should have warped to a safe or celestial, and stayed on the run for a minute, unless you were scrammed, then you should have tried to get out of scram range and warp, it was to stop the station huggers. edit: well not to entirely stop the station huggers, but at least to make them commit to a fight instead of shoot/dock/undock/shoot/dock etc Was in the patch notes a few builds ago somewhere if I remember rightly.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 So, this guy fires on me first the moment I undock. So, I fire back. BAM I have a 15 minute aggression timer, and he got me warp scrambled all of a sudden. So, I can't warp out, and every time I try docking it says some crap about aggression. WHAT?! I have a 2.0 POSITIVE security RATING, he has like -8.0 or something, he fired on me FIRST, I fired BACK! WHY AM I THE ONE WITH THE AGGRESSION TIMER? To make things worse I lagged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? Update: Turns out I was pod killed while lagging out, so there goes the high level implants too. Caldari? Check. Carebear? Check. Got completely owned in the face? Check. Business as usual. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Myung Chul Gallente Talocan Technologies	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:35:00 - [33] wa wa wawawawa
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:37:00 - [34] Edited by: Verx Interis on 18/12/2008 05:38:15 Troll? Maybe? Either way, I lol'd. Also we all know what a nighthawk is. ---- Logins required for this post: 733071
Cpt Lollercakes Warriors of COAD	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:41:00 - [35] I'm not even sure the OP was fired on to begin with, he does strike me as someone who might think just cos someones locking you up, or because because someone tackled a jetcan called "You". Op should check his sec status history to see if he was suckered into tanking the sentry's as well. Might get us another entertaining emo-rage outpouring.
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Cpt Lollercakes I'm not even sure the OP was fired on to begin with, he does strike me as someone who might think just cos someones locking you up, or because because someone tackled a jetcan called "You". Op should check his sec status history to see if he was suckered into tanking the sentry's as well. Might get us another entertaining emo-rage outpouring. That actually makes sense. Seeing as from his story the Pirate scrambled him AFTER he started "returning fire"... I wouldn't be suprised. ---- Logins required for this post: 970449
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Cpt Lollercakes I'm not even sure the OP was fired on to begin with, he does strike me as someone who might think just cos someones locking you up, or because because someone tackled a jetcan called "You". Op should check his sec status history to see if he was suckered into tanking the sentry's as well. Might get us another entertaining emo-rage outpouring. That actually makes sense. Seeing as from his story the Pirate scrambled him AFTER he started "returning fire"... I wouldn't be suprised. Although he should have gotten a warning popup for that. Unless he disabled the popup at some time. In which case this is all even more amusing. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Itzcoatl Minmatar The Guild of Calamitous Intent	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:53:00 - [38] i suggest a delicious Sirloin steak with Borderlaise sauce accompanied by freshly mixed salad. Your whine will be perfect for this.
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Sobach 30 second timer before you can dock at a station or use a stargate 60 seconds. Not 30. I keep a stopwatch by my computer for this reason. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group ACSG Open Recruitment- AU/NZ/AsiaPac/Late Nighters- Come kill with us. Or a
Delvardious Kaesos Caldari Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:22:00 - [40] tasty tasty tears. ------------------------------------------------ Your words are as empty as your future. I am the vanguard of your destruction.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:46:00 - [41] Reminds me of hyperion I killed last nite. First we killed his ishkur with bunch of T1 frigates and few destros and he came back with that hyperion fitted with 3 heavy nuets and 5 HEAVY blasters. Need to say that he didn't survive. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Aion Amarra Minmatar New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 09:04:00 - [42] Also, the sixty second aggression timer is for ANY aggressive action, not just shooting. Webbing, scrambling, painting, jamming, whateverthehell else does as well. Originally by: Myung Chul wa wa wawawawa Wawawawa~?
Snasty Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury	Posted - 2008.12.18 10:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Cors The fact that you're in a Commandship, in lowsec/0.0 and you don't know about the agression timers tells me you've either been carebearing it up in empire since you started playing eve, or you're VERY new to the game and bought your account. either way, learn the rules of lowsec/0.0 BEFORE you go there. This. So this..... --------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=-
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:23:00 - [44] Stop failing hahaha Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
AmosTrask	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:38:00 - [45] FYI PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU LOG BACK IN
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates Wong Thong Crew	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:39:00 - [46] You got pwned 1v1 in a nighthawk in under 60 seconds?
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:40:00 - [47] A CS which can't tank 60 seconds???? How big was their gang? 30 peeps? :D Or wait, you prob had a **ty fitting. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.**
Harm Gently Naughty 40	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:47:00 - [48] Haven't played or checked out the forum for about a year and this is the first thing I read. roflmao
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny You got pwned 1v1 in a nighthawk in under 60 seconds? He was probably honortanking his nighthawk _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:07:00 - [50] just realise that if u aggress or respond u are probably going need to deaggres and be able to tank the enemy for 90 or 120 seconds do that and youre fine

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:08:00 - [51] This is exactly why I don't undock in low-sec Secure 3rd party service LoveQuest 2008

Cown Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:21:00 - [52] ROFL -------------------------------------------------- Welcome to my personal opinion, if you don't like it, i don't give a s***. :-)
Wacktopia	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:27:00 - [53] Originally by: Khemul Zula Seriously, where is the bloody "are you sure" notification? No "are you sure" irl :P
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:29:00 - [54] anyone with half a brain - not me go join FW if u want pvp on tapp would realise that if u aggress it locks u off same things happen on gates thats why its best to engage pvp safespots and asteroid belts
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Chribba This is exactly why I don't undock in low-sec What? Doesn't "I am Chribba! Disperse, plebs!" work in lowsec? Bloody heathens! No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Amoun Ra Caldari Soulless Armada	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:38:00 - [56] ROFL thank you this thread has made my day
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:48:00 - [57] Oh I am sorry, you wanted the Fisher Price EVE, they do a intro offer with My First Caldari, and Speak'n'Spell have brought out a new toy called Mine'n'Sell, I hear its doing quite well. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Gneeznow Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:00:00 - [58] hahaha
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:01:00 - [59] What is there to petition? You shot at someone, now you're aggressed. Otherwise people would just shoot and dock... You're just increasing the delay in legit petition responses. Learn aggression mechanics before you engage someone in eve. We've all got to learn the rules somehow - you just happened to lose a command ship and implants to figure it out. Kinda funny actually.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:07:00 - [60] Bought account! Somebody that did missions for more then 4 years knows what the yellow aggression timer means. He also knows that he can dock with that yellow aggression timer. This guy has no clue at all what it means, freaked out when he saw a blinky that was locking him and fired in panic, got whacked and then pressed ctrl-q hoping it would save him.
TYCONDEROGA Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:10:00 - [61] Come on down to Ihakana again, I'm sure we can sort this out with some trial and error. He who defends Everything, Defends Nothing!
P'uck	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:13:00 - [62] Originally by: Khemul Zula EVE is harsh universe. It doesn't hold your hand while you decide whether fighting someone may end badly for you. Seriously, what did you expect to happen when you fired back? Acutally it does. You get (often annoying) notifications for 50% of the stupid **** you can do that can get you killed. I can totally see why people complain about the rest, sometimes.
Zo'Ra Achura	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:14:00 - [63] I think what happened is (based on other thread OP wrote): OP undocks in low-sec and sees pirate next to him: "Hey look at this 'ebil pirate' who has the nerf to look at my mighty nighthawk... I'll pwn him back home cause he's in a small ship and I'm in my mighty nighthawk. Die you sucker!!!! Hey... who are these other guys?.... Hey, crap... they are shooting me... hey, don't do that!!!. DON'T DO THAT!!!! AARGH, there go my shields... uh oh... panic.. dock dock dock, WAHT? Can't dock!!!! ARRGH... dock dock dock...CAN'T... WTF? NO NOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO" pop 5 mins later emorage on forum.
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:24:00 - [64] WTF is with the 15 minute aggression timer? HE FIRED ON ME 1st! WTB on T-shirt. Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
Tanner Caligiari	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:28:00 - [65] Originally by: Dirk Magnum What can tank both station sentries and a Nighthawk long enough to kill a Nighthawk? That's what I want to know. A triple trimarked Dominix with triple 1600mm plates with full gang bonuses. I also have armor HP bonus hardwiring. The domi has a buffer tank of about 43000 armor. It also reps 1000 HP every 8 seconds if I need to run the repper. I did have DPS help mind you. But the Nightmare was triple neuted, warp scrammed, webbed, ecm'd and had been bumped off docking point. The best part is that I had just sold him bandit spurs for 35 million. I asked him if he wanted to pay for safe passage out of our system. No response. He undocked and the rest is history. I need to look at his fit because his tank was fail for the most part.... Tanner Caligari IDLE GUNS / IDLE EMPIRE yarr!
Soi Mala	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:31:00 - [66] Its amazing that someone could get into a nighthawk without ever hearing about an aggro timer... how can you get so far and know so little? Its almost as though he... bahhh nevermind, i'm not gonna say it... :)
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:32:00 - [67] Originally by: Soi Mala Its amazing that someone could get into a nighthawk without ever hearing about an aggro timer... how can you get so far and know so little? Its almost as though he... bahhh nevermind, i'm not gonna say it... :) Here, have an "Ebay".. on the house!
Nareg Maxence Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:42:00 - [68] Edited by: Nareg Maxence on 18/12/2008 13:43:43 Hi, some people got it mostly right, but not entirely. It's like this * Global Criminal Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You engaging a non-legal target. (Your target was legal in the present case.) Consequences: In high-sec, you get Concorded. In low-sec, gate and station guns fire at you but you may be able to tank them. You will lose sec status. * Aggression Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You being involved in any kind of combat. Whether someone shoots at you or you shoot at them does NOT matter. It resets every time a combat action happens. Consequences: Trying to log off while you are in the aggression countdown starts the ship log off countdown. Aggression countdown has no influence on docking or gate activation! * Ship Log Off Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You logging off while the aggression countdown was active. Consequences: Your ship will warp out if not held down by scrambler. Your ship will remain in space until the timer runs out. Note, that this is not a continuation of the aggression countdown. The timer restarts at 15 minutes when you log out. * Pod Log Off Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: Your ship is destroyed while the Ship Log Off Countdown is active. Consequences: Your pod will warp out if not held by a warp bubble. Your pod will remain in space until the timer runs out. Again, this is not a continuation of the Ship Log Off Countdown. The timer restarts when your ship is destroyed. * Offensive Action Countdown Time: 30 seconds to 1 minute depending on who you ask. (I am declined so say it is 1 minute.) Caused by: You fired at something or engaged an offensive module on something. Whether target is legal or not does not matter. Consequences: You can not dock or activate a gate until the timer runs out. Reference - Knowledgebase article
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:49:00 - [69] Fixing some stuff for you: Originally by: Nareg Maxence Edited by: Nareg Maxence on 18/12/2008 13:43:43 Hi, some people got it mostly right, but not entirely. It's like this * Global Criminal Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You engaging a non-legal target. (Your target was legal in the present case.) Consequences: In high-sec, you get Concorded. In low-sec, gate and station guns fire at you but you may be able to tank them. You will lose sec status. Will reset to the full 15 minutes if you change sessions during timer, like undocking/docking * Aggression Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You being involved in any kind of combat. Whether someone shoots at you or you shoot at them does NOT matter. It resets every time a combat action happens. Consequences: Trying to log off while you are in the aggression countdown starts the ship log off countdown. Aggression countdown has no influence on docking or gate activation! * Ship Log Off Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You logging off while the aggression countdown was active. Consequences: Your ship will warp out if not held down by scrambler. Your ship will remain in space until the timer runs out. Note, that this is not a continuation of the aggression countdown. The timer restarts at 15 minutes when you log out. * Pod Log Off Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: Your ship is destroyed while the Ship Log Off Countdown is active. Consequences: Your pod will warp out if not held by a warp bubble. Your pod will remain in space until the timer runs out. Again, this is not a continuation of the Ship Log Off Countdown. The timer restarts when your ship is destroyed. * Offensive Action Countdown Time: 1 minute Caused by: You fired at something or engaged an offensive module on something. Whether target is legal or not does not matter. Consequences: You can not dock or activate a gate until the timer runs out. Reference - Knowledgebase article
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:52:00 - [70] Originally by: Maria Kalista WTF is with the 15 minute aggression timer? HE FIRED ON ME 1st!WTB on T-shirt. Yesplx! No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Nareg Maxence Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:53:00 - [71] Thanks. I knew the criminal countdown could reset, but wasn't exactly sure when that happened.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Jason Edwards 1st you shot back. That creates the yellow aggression. You have to completely stop shooting for an entire minute before u can redock.[/quote] this you have to shut off basically ALL your offensive modules, guns, launchers, webs, warp scrams, ecm, ANYTHING that is affecting another's ship in one way or another then wait 60 seconds AFTER all those modules are off then you can dock / jump Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Stygian Knight	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:17:00 - [73] I learned that lesson when i first started PvPing which was my second week of game but in a RIFTER !!! not in a nighthawk. Sry mate my loss was 300.000 isk , yours is 300.000.000 isk. Epic fail
Leakim jones Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:22:00 - [74] @ everyone who wants to see the lossmail....Oooooops To be honest, learn the basics before taking something expensive into low sec. Try a frigate or an assault frigate. Something thats fun to fly and you can get kills in.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:27:00 - [75] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin To make things worse I lOgged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? Update: Turns out I was pod killed while lOgging out, so there goes the high level implants too. Typo fixed to reflect the probabilities of the situation.
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Stygian Knight I learned that lesson when i first started PvPing which was my second week of game but in a RIFTER !!! not in a nighthawk. Sry mate my loss was 300.000 isk , yours is 300.000.000 isk. Epic fail You crack me up styg.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:17:00 - [77] However you try to make something idiot proof, people's stupidity never stops reaching new, unprecedented levels. You owe me 1 isk for the free lesson. Boink!
castraitory Minmatar AND THEN NO YOU	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:20:00 - [78] Edited by: castraitory on 18/12/2008 15:22:04 Can I........... Can I have your Character , the person who sold you it probably didnt realise you were such an idiot.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:28:00 - [79] Originally by: ElCoCo However you try to make something idiot proof, people's stupidity never stops reaching new, unprecedented levels. The ultimate lesson of evolution: whenever someone creates a better idiot-proof system, nature responds by creating better idiots. No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.18 16:08:00 - [80] Originally by: ElCoCo However you try to make something idiot proof, people's stupidity never stops reaching new, unprecedented levels. You owe me 1 isk for the free lesson. "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." --Douglas Adams Why can't I get people like this to undock. I'm so jealous. I did however take advantage of the 15 minute aggression timer last night. :)
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 16:54:00 - [81] Originally by: Leakim jones @ everyone who wants to see the lossmail....Oooooops To be honest, learn the basics before taking something expensive into low sec. Try a frigate or an assault frigate. Something thats fun to fly and you can get kills in. T1 drones, shieldboosted Nighthawk, t1 ammo, t1 CFC/named damage control, oh lawd. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Joker47	Posted - 2008.12.18 17:03:00 - [82] Edited by: Joker47 on 18/12/2008 17:03:42 Originally by: Strel Samodelkin blahblahblah Quote: WHINE WHINE WHINE
Korizan	Posted - 2008.12.18 17:12:00 - [83] THis is actually normal and as others have stated. Call it a consent to PVP. You fire back you are saying game on lets fight. And now you have a timer till you can use gates or dock in station, or basically escape. And who says there is no consentual PVP in EVE
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.12.18 17:58:00 - [84] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin To make things worse I lagged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? adapt or gimmie youre stuff
chinooka Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:07:00 - [85] Originally by: Lady Aja Originally by: Strel Samodelkin To make things worse I lagged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? adapt or gimmie youre stuff There is one really easy solution to the problem, which was the first mistake made (apart from logging in) which was the undock.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:19:00 - [86] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Also he didn't fire at you as soon as you undocked. The earliest he could have fired at you would still have allowed you time to align and warp in a CS due to undocking targeting invulnerability. This is not true. The second you give the command for warping or navigating the ship, you lose the invulnerability status. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
PeachesAndCream	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:32:00 - [87] Hahahahahahahahahaha
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:35:00 - [88] I would think people would learn game mechanics before getting into command ships
NinjaTurtle Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:29:00 - [89] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin WHY AM I THE ONE WITH THE AGGRESSION TIMER? God I miss these forums. Owing to lack of Eve-related content, forums removed. If you would like to discuss this, please flame me.
Cpt Lollercakes Warriors of COAD	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:40:00 - [90] "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I would think people would learn game mechanics before getting into command ships ^^ This
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:56:00 - [92] so youve been playing long enough to fly a nighthawk but didnt know how aggro works? me smells troll!
Ukumai	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:03:00 - [93] Edited by: Ukumai on 18/12/2008 21:03:07 You were where? 0.0 huh? Linkage Looks like the account was not involved in a battle since 2 years ago and then wham you get attacked by 4 people.
Franga Gristle Industries	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:03:00 - [94] At least you bought some light to the fact that some timers are far, far too long. Such as the 15 minute GCC. 15 minutes! ----------
charming wanderer	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:17:00 - [95] /me shakes his magic 8-ball... "Signs point to Ebay"
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:18:00 - [96] Originally by: Khemul Zula Pwned. this tbh --------------------------------------- CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp
Duder Lebowski Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:20:00 - [97] Only posting because I wasted the time to read all four pages of this whining... along with a second thread in GD... I'm not even going to rail on the fact that your fitting was terrible (T1 capacitor flux coil ffs?) Not going to rail on the fact you took a nighthawk to lowsec without a clue how combat in Eve works... Just curious why you wouldn't hop in a shuttle to pick up any small cargo in lowsec in a known pirate hang out? And what did you do to end your undock invulnerability timer so that they could fire on you first? Did you try to align to your destination Stargate? Activate your cough "tank"? Seriously though, look through the forums here or on SHC at Nighthawk fittings, I think you will learn a thing or two. And never ever EVER go into lowsec in a ship you haven't already written off.
Kainoss Gallente Phantom Squad	Posted - 2008.12.19 07:46:00 - [98] Boooooo where is this "very well fit" ship I was promised? ------------
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Strength in Numbers.	Posted - 2008.12.19 07:57:00 - [99] Haven't read the whole thread, but to the OP: ROFL == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:03:00 - [100] Originally by: Nareg Maxence Hi, some people got it mostly right, but not entirely. It's like this * Global Criminal Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You engaging a non-legal target. (Your target was legal in the present case.) Consequences: In high-sec, you get Concorded. In low-sec, gate and station guns fire at you but you may be able to tank them. You will lose sec status. Will reset to the full 15 minutes if you change sessions during timer, like undocking/docking. No, not quite. GCC will not reset on session change, but if the sentries fire on you, their aggression countdown does reset. For example, if you have a minute of GCC left, warp to a station, get shot at by sentries, dock, wait for a couple of minutes and undock, you will still be shot at by sentries but you are no longer a free target for others. And you can jump to high-sec without CONCORD interference, you just need to worry about the eight sentries at the gate. -- Gradient forum
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:25:00 - [101] It is 60 seconds right? I keep hearing 60 seconds as the right number but someone always comes along and says 30 seconds... Then it always feels like 30 seconds. Probably should just time it myself.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:56:00 - [102] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 So, this guy fires on me first the moment I undock. So, I fire back. BAM I have a 15 minute aggression timer, and he got me warp scrambled all of a sudden. So, I can't warp out, and every time I try docking it says some crap about aggression. WHAT?! I have a 2.0 POSITIVE security RATING, he has like -8.0 or something, he fired on me FIRST, I fired BACK! WHY AM I THE ONE WITH THE AGGRESSION TIMER? To make things worse I lagged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? Update: Turns out I was pod killed while lagging out, so there goes the high level implants too. Are you serious? I'll assume for the moment that you are. You got an aggression timer as soon as you shot back. This aggression timer is not the same as a global criminal countdown. You only get a global criminal countdown if you shoot a non-flashy in low-sec. The yellow aggression timer does two things. First, you cannot dock or jump through a stargate for a full minute AFTER you've stopped shooting at someone. Doesn't matter who shot who first. Second if you log out with this yellow timer and you are floating in space, your ship stays there for 15 minutes. There a very sensible reasons for this timer. The timer keeps people who are losing in a fight from simply logging out to escape. Clearly being able to game the system this way ("Oh noes I'm going to lose cntrl-q) would be unfair. Importantly for you, however, is that it also prevents people from undocking, blowing up a single ship, and then simply docking again to avoid that single ships friends who are sitting outside the station with him. I think this is completely fair. Closely related to this, it keeps you from getting into a fight outside a station and simply going "geese I can't beat this guy, guess I'll insta dock." So if you want to undock to "get" that one guy in an interceptor sitting there with his buddy in an Absolution, you'd best be able to kill the interceptor and the absolution, kill the interceptor and be able to warp away, or *kill the interceptor and be able to tank the absolution for one minute until you redock.* Similarly if it seems a good idea to get into a fight outside the station, you'd best be able to take the guy, or figure out you might lose with enough time to deagress and dock. Afaic, this system works find and shouldn't be changed. -Karl
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:26:00 - [103] Originally by: emf It is 60 seconds right? I keep hearing 60 seconds as the right number but someone always comes along and says 30 seconds... Then it always feels like 30 seconds. Probably should just time it myself. 60 seconds, yes. Last time I died when trying to jump/dock there was 51 seconds between my last aggressive action and "ship is out of control" message, and I had remembered to recall my drones. -- Gradient forum
NoxCraft	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:33:00 - [104] Edited by: NoxCraft on 19/12/2008 09:34:06 Yeah. http://eve-search.com/thread/504312/page/1#10
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:44:00 - [105] Originally by: Leakim jones @ everyone who wants to see the lossmail....Oooooops To be honest, learn the basics before taking something expensive into low sec. Try a frigate or an assault frigate. Something thats fun to fly and you can get kills in. looool he agressed a rook and battleship gang.
whitekight Amarr SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs	Posted - 2008.12.19 10:22:00 - [106] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Leakim jones @ everyone who wants to see the lossmail....Oooooops To be honest, learn the basics before taking something expensive into low sec. Try a frigate or an assault frigate. Something thats fun to fly and you can get kills in. looool he agressed a rook and battleship gang. yeah not the best of things to aggress lol. I guess he thought his tank was better than it was......cough, cough!!!
nakKEDK Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.19 10:44:00 - [107] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 So, this guy fires on me first the moment I undock. So, I fire back. BAM I have a 15 minute aggression timer, and he got me warp scrambled all of a sudden. So, I can't warp out, and every time I try docking it says some crap about aggression. WHAT?! I have a 2.0 POSITIVE security RATING, he has like -8.0 or something, he fired on me FIRST, I fired BACK! WHY AM I THE ONE WITH THE AGGRESSION TIMER? To make things worse I lagged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? Update: Turns out I was pod killed while lagging out, so there goes the high level implants too. Sure, it was the lag.. k
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.19 11:21:00 - [108] Originally by: Nareg Maxence Edited by: Nareg Maxence on 18/12/2008 13:51:14 Edited by: Nareg Maxence on 18/12/2008 13:43:43 Hi, some people got it mostly right, but not entirely. It's like this * Global Criminal Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You engaging a non-legal target. (Your target was legal in the present case.) Consequences: In high-sec, you get Concorded. In low-sec, gate and station guns fire at you but you may be able to tank them. You will lose sec status. Will reset to the full 15 minutes if you change sessions during timer, like undocking/docking. * Aggression Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You being involved in any kind of combat. Whether someone shoots at you or you shoot at them does NOT matter. It resets every time a combat action happens. Consequences: Trying to log off while you are in the aggression countdown starts the ship log off countdown. Aggression countdown has no influence on docking or gate activation! * Ship Log Off Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You logging off while the aggression countdown was active. Consequences: Your ship will warp out if not held down by scrambler. Your ship will remain in space until the timer runs out. Note, that this is not a continuation of the aggression countdown. The timer restarts at 15 minutes when you log out. * Pod Log Off Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: Your ship is destroyed while the Ship Log Off Countdown is active. Consequences: Your pod will warp out if not held by a warp bubble. Your pod will remain in space until the timer runs out. Again, this is not a continuation of the Ship Log Off Countdown. The timer restarts when your ship is destroyed. * Offensive Action Countdown Time: 30 seconds to 1 minute depending on who you ask. (I am declined so say it is 1 minute.) Caused by: You fired at something or engaged an offensive module on something. Whether target is legal or not does not matter. Consequences: You can not dock or activate a gate until the timer runs out. Reference - Knowledgebase article A clearcut answer! Thanks very much! Caldari Nationalist Party
Achmed DeadTerrorist Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.19 12:29:00 - [109] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 So, this guy fires on me first the moment I undock. So, I fire back. BAM I have a 15 minute aggression timer, and he got me warp scrambled all of a sudden. So, I can't warp out, and every time I try docking it says some crap about aggression. WHAT?! I have a 2.0 POSITIVE security RATING, he has like -8.0 or something, he fired on me FIRST, I fired BACK! WHY AM I THE ONE WITH THE AGGRESSION TIMER? To make things worse I lagged out and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? Update: Turns out I was pod killed while lagging out, so there goes the high level implants too. You have been playing eve for longenuff to find out if you fire at something you get a timer that does not let you dock. or Ebay mutch? no realy you need to just quit now and get back to wow
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.19 12:32:00 - [110] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Nareg Maxence Hi, some people got it mostly right, but not entirely. It's like this * Global Criminal Countdown Time: 15 minutes Caused by: You engaging a non-legal target. (Your target was legal in the present case.) Consequences: In high-sec, you get Concorded. In low-sec, gate and station guns fire at you but you may be able to tank them. You will lose sec status. Will reset to the full 15 minutes if you change sessions during timer, like undocking/docking. No, not quite. GCC will not reset on session change, but if the sentries fire on you, their aggression countdown does reset. For example, if you have a minute of GCC left, warp to a station, get shot at by sentries, dock, wait for a couple of minutes and undock, you will still be shot at by sentries but you are no longer a free target for others. And you can jump to high-sec without CONCORD interference, you just need to worry about the eight sentries at the gate. Ok, yes. you are right. GCC causes sentry's to aggro, which in turns gives you 15min aggression to whichever Navy owns the sentries. It will reset to full 15 minutes every time a sentry fires on you. Thanks for clarification.
zox180	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:57:00 - [111] Edited by: zox180 on 23/12/2008 09:58:06 I was -10 but you were close
zox180	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:59:00 - [112] Strel Samodelkin > I dont understand this, how come I got aggression timer? Strel Samodelkin > You attacked ME
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:26:00 - [113] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 18/12/2008 03:17:40 So, this guy fires on me first the moment I undock to go to my level 4 mission. So, I fire back. BAM I have a 15 minute aggression timer, and he got me warp scrambled all of a sudden. So, I can't warp out, and every time I try docking it says some crap about aggression. WHAT?! I have a 2.0 POSITIVE security RATING, he has like -8.0 or something, he fired on me FIRST, I fired BACK! WHY AM I THE ONE WITH THE AGGRESSION TIMER? To make things worse I foolishly decided to ctrl-q,and this resulted in me losing my Nighthawk (expensive tech 2 battlecruiser) that was very well fitted with various tech 2 modules. Is there anything that can be done? Update: Turns out I was pod killed after I ctrl-q, so there goes the high level implants too. Fixed. I wish I was a 3ft doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Lysianna Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.23 18:00:00 - [114] Strel Strel Strelà come on mate, you know better then asking silly questions like that. Oh right, you must not know me in this formà Though if itÆs really you, think backà swg backà zagà-rev-à..your combat medicàpoisonà ________________________________________________ Lysianna Hazumason Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.12.23 18:07:00 - [115]
Haldeeman Minmatar Infusion.	Posted - 2008.12.23 18:30:00 - [116] fail, op fails.

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