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CaptainFalcon07 Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck 15	Posted - 2012.04.13 23:46:00 - [1] - Quote What do you think is the most poorly designed ship that is so dysfunctional and broken that it can't even be fit or used properly? For me I would go with the Omen, its powergrid is so small that you can only fit 5 weakest short range weapon with barely any powergrid for a prop mod and other utilities, you can't fit any semblance of tank one it.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1533	Posted - 2012.04.13 23:55:00 - [2] - Quote The Omen is a pretty good example, but at least its a T1 cruiser. May I point your attention to the "low tier" faction cruisers for some examples of expensive crappy ships? :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
CaptainFalcon07 Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck 15	Posted - 2012.04.13 23:58:00 - [3] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The Omen is a pretty good example, but at least its a T1 cruiser. May I point your attention to the "low tier" faction cruisers for some examples of expensive crappy ships? :) -Liang True I have never seen those cruisers ever flown in nearly all my EVE career. Just looking at the stats make them look abysmal.
Alara IonStorm 1982	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:05:00 - [4] - Quote Stabber Omen Tier 1 Cruisers Tier 1 Faction Cruisers Tier 1 Combat Frigs Ferox / Moa using Rails. Prephecy / Omen / Punisher using Lasers Bellicose Celestis Breacher Vigil Maulus I know some of these ships can be good in certain situations but they all could use some work.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1533	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:18:00 - [5] - Quote If you're putting the Vigil up there, the Crucifier also needs work. Really, the only T1 ewar frigate that's reasonable is the Griffin. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 398	Posted - 2012.04.14 00:41:00 - [6] - Quote Scythe Fleet Issue.
Nalha Saldana Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 217	Posted - 2012.04.14 01:01:00 - [7] - Quote Augoror, needs a cap chain but cant use large cap transfers, left alone with no one to chain but others of the same.
EVE Stig Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2012.04.14 01:55:00 - [8] - Quote To troll; Hulk Ill give it real thought tho, gimme a few lol Cormorant off the top of my head for not even being able to fit a tank Ferox for being fail though the flavor text says its terrifying "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 292	Posted - 2012.04.14 02:18:00 - [9] - Quote skif PLEX FOR PIZZA! TECH iii MINNING SHIPS!
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School 149	Posted - 2012.04.14 04:22:00 - [10] - Quote Eos
Arushia Nova Labs New Eden Research. 10	Posted - 2012.04.14 06:36:00 - [11] - Quote The Mackinaw. It has 4 midslots. It doesn't have the CPU to put anything in them. Tired of lab queues in high-sec? Check out New Eden Research.
Darex Nidor Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.14 06:57:00 - [12] - Quote All Exhumers, they are too small and they have too weak tank. Otherwise we can only hope what removal of tier system brings us.
Wyte Ragnarok 22	Posted - 2012.04.14 07:59:00 - [13] - Quote Titans. Because they change after every expansion, so you don't know what you'll be flying next year.
Tobiaz Spacerats 179	Posted - 2012.04.14 09:08:00 - [14] - Quote Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Titans. Because they change after every expansion, so you don't know what you'll be flying next year. Yet there are so many of them... http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures!
baltec1 1091	Posted - 2012.04.14 09:34:00 - [15] - Quote Tobiaz wrote: Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Titans. Because they change after every expansion, so you don't know what you'll be flying next year. Yet there are so many of them... More titans than active pvp Celestis
Perihelion Olenard Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.04.14 11:08:00 - [16] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Tobiaz wrote: Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Titans. Because they change after every expansion, so you don't know what you'll be flying next year. Yet there are so many of them... More titans than active pvp Celestis Probably more titans than electronic attack frigates as well. However, I don't think I have ever seen anyone fly an exequror navy issue as long as the thorax has existed.
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 418	Posted - 2012.04.14 11:31:00 - [17] - Quote Arushia wrote: The Mackinaw. It has 4 midslots. It doesn't have the CPU to put anything in them. you think the mack is bad? try to fit a skiff. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Katalci Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp 51	Posted - 2012.04.14 23:45:00 - [18] - Quote The Eagle is a comedy ship. It's a ****** version of Zealot, basically. Please, CCP, fix it before you fix the goddamned Omen and Bellicose... If you fit blasters, you can't fit a web without wrecking your tank, and your damage is still bad when compared to range. If you fit railguns, your damage is just plain worthless.
spacelumberjack Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords 12	Posted - 2012.04.15 02:31:00 - [19] - Quote Perihelion Olenard wrote: baltec1 wrote: Tobiaz wrote: Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Titans. Because they change after every expansion, so you don't know what you'll be flying next year. Yet there are so many of them... More titans than active pvp Celestis Probably more titans than electronic attack frigates as well. However, I don't think I have ever seen anyone fly an exequror navy issue as long as the thorax does the exact same thing at a much cheaper price. I know a man who holds by that ship for his life, X Gallentius. Then again for a gallente militia member, exequror navies cost around 2 isk.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 47	Posted - 2012.04.15 03:37:00 - [20] - Quote so what's up with the cerberus? it's like half a drake for double the price...
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 670	Posted - 2012.04.15 03:42:00 - [21] - Quote Of what I've flown: Omen and whatever the T1 Gaurdian is. The Omen needs PG and the other one lacks a point other than target practice. Prophecy, fitting is tight for no reason.
Voith Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.04.15 05:01:00 - [22] - Quote The Paladin Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet.
Joran Dravius Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.04.15 09:03:00 - [23] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Of what I've flown: Omen and whatever the T1 Gaurdian is. The Omen needs PG and the other one lacks a point other than target practice. Prophecy, fitting is tight for no reason. CCP obviously play minmatars. Amarr ships have the most fitting problems, but you can stick Battleship weapons and a doomsday on a rifter and still have enough room for 6 or 7 XL shield extenders.
ACE McFACE Acetech Systems 623	Posted - 2012.04.15 09:17:00 - [24] - Quote spacelumberjack wrote: Perihelion Olenard wrote: baltec1 wrote: Tobiaz wrote: Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Titans. Because they change after every expansion, so you don't know what you'll be flying next year. Yet there are so many of them... More titans than active pvp Celestis Probably more titans than electronic attack frigates as well. However, I don't think I have ever seen anyone fly an exequror navy issue as long as the thorax does the exact same thing at a much cheaper price. I know a man who holds by that ship for his life, X Gallentius. Then again for a gallente militia member, exequror navies cost around 2 isk. You think thats bad, someone in RvB thought that an Exequror NORMAL version could take on a 100m SP pilot in a Vexor, and I know SP isnt everything but the Exequror is just so terrible it doesnt matter how much skill you have Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt!
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 156	Posted - 2012.04.15 10:04:00 - [25] - Quote Seems related to a thread "most useless bonuses" or something like tha So, all the T1 "logi like" ships - WTF are the combining logi functions with mining functions in the same ship (Osprey, the schrythe, sort of The exequror? wtf, cargo capacity bonus? so its just a really crappy logi boat, is its niche supposed to be following a fleet into a plex that doesn't allow anything bigger than cruisers - to take loot and give reps I don't understand what this cargo capacity bonus is supposed to be for.. And of course, the repping capabilities are insufficient to make them useful, maybe if they could fit large reppers/energy transfers As for the navy issue exequror, I'd rather see it be like a halfway decent logi - but in its current role I will point out that it is significantly faster than a Thorax, its ROF bonus means its 4 turrets are 5.33 "effective turrets" before the 5% damage per level is factored in (but the thorax has this, so they cancel out), and it has the same low and med slot distribution I'm guessing the lower number of highs makes the fitting about the same So you get 6.67% more turret DPS, and 78 m/s more speed (45.8% faster) for the loss of about 200 armor, 200 shield, and 200 hull H ... and then its got half the drone bay of the normal exequror So, yea its pretty bad, but with a bit of an HP+ grid buff, + drone bay buff, I could see it basically being a fast Thorax (though I'd rather see it with a Thorax model, and call it the navy Thorax, and if we must have a Navy exequoror, make it a more effective logi for those that dont yet have Logi skills Just as the Gallente Navy Tier1 fills basically the same role as the Gallente Tier3, I see that with the IN Augor and the Maller (with the caldari, its more of the tier 2 it overlaps with) With Tiericide coming, I hope the previous "tier 1" faction ships become significantly better than the "tier 3s" vs just marginally better But to top the list Procure Why would anyone ever fly one of those Can't wait a couple hours to get a retreiver, despite waiting days to get industry to V? Want to fly something that gets outmined by a BS or BC, and is easy to gank, and can't do anything else Drop this ship completely, or make it faster, more agile, smaller sig radius, better tank, and give it launcher hardpoints - something that is half miner, and half combat frig/cruiser
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 302	Posted - 2012.04.15 10:18:00 - [26] - Quote The good ship 'Friendship'. Haha, no I can't even joke about it, the 'Friendship' is the best ship in the game!
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords 162	Posted - 2012.04.15 13:15:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: spacelumberjack wrote: However, I don't think I have ever seen anyone fly an exequror navy issue as long as the thorax does the exact same thing at a much cheaper price. I know a man who holds by that ship for his life, X Gallentius. Then again for a gallente militia member, exequror navies cost around 2 isk. 20+ kills this month! Gotta use its speed to your advantage - been able to catch a few guys that a Thorax wouldn't be able to chase down. But otherwise yeah it's a glorified Thorax with fewer drones.
Syrias Bizniz Dei Mudda GmbH 0	Posted - 2012.04.15 15:48:00 - [28] - Quote Concerning the Exequror, it actually isn't THAT bad. Of course, it's not that good that you would always want to have some with you, but it definately serves as a cheap, solo armor logi. And that's what the (btw enormous) cargo is for: Cap Booster Charges.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.04.15 15:58:00 - [29] - Quote Voith wrote: The Paladin Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet. Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity 81	Posted - 2012.04.15 16:48:00 - [30] - Quote T1 logis and the lower-tier navy cruisers. The latter especially have sooo much potential. :( I want an exequror navy issue that can actually out perform a bog standard rupture...
Temu TheGreat Roden Laboratories 0	Posted - 2012.04.15 17:06:00 - [31] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Voith wrote: The Paladin Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet. Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem. ????? Please show me a good fit for a paladin that does not struggle with power grid issues... kthnx
FT Diomedes Factio Paucorum 42	Posted - 2012.04.15 18:12:00 - [32] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Voith wrote: The Paladin Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet. Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem. The Paladin should not be anywhere on this list. It's a superb ship. With that said, it would be nice to be able to fit 4x Tachyon IIs, a LAR II, and a 100mn AB II, without a fitting mod. Cap is not really an issue with this ship.
Alara IonStorm 1990	Posted - 2012.04.15 18:34:00 - [33] - Quote If anything makes the Paladin fall flat it's the Web Bonus. You would've thought that they have put in the Apoc's 7.5% Range Bonus. I mean for 90% of the work it does would be better served by range. Especially when the NPC's it targets EWAR cuts it's range. Not really dysfunctional but some wasted potential.
Syrias Bizniz Dei Mudda GmbH 0	Posted - 2012.04.15 18:45:00 - [34] - Quote The real dysfunction in the paladin is as follows: It's not developed by Khanid innovations. The Sexy Black and Blue applied onto an apoc hull, combined with incredible capacitor and a HELL of an armor tank and spitting out torps while being unaffected by tracking disruptors would definately be my 'Oh my god it's so god damn awesome i must have it! I MUST HAVE THEM ALL!' Yeah, I'd totally buy all hulls of it i could afford, just like catching ALL the pikachus in the veridian forest.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin 246	Posted - 2012.04.15 21:46:00 - [35] - Quote black ops. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
Leto Atraities Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.04.15 21:58:00 - [36] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Voith wrote: The Paladin Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet. Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem. The Paladin should not be anywhere on this list. It's a superb ship. With that said, it would be nice to be able to fit 4x Tachyon IIs, a LAR II, and a 100mn AB II, without a fitting mod. Cap is not really an issue with this ship. PG8 implant. problem solved. but i must say if you're using a tach setup then there should be no need for an afterburner. makes perfect since to have one with a mega pulse setup though. but that's just me i guess.
Leto Atraities Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.04.15 22:00:00 - [37] - Quote oh and procurer. completely worthless other than to make skiffs.
Rath Kelbore The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control 165	Posted - 2012.04.16 00:33:00 - [38] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: so what's up with the cerberus? it's like half a drake for double the price... You sir are wrong. I don't get why everyone hates on the cerb. It really isn't a bad ship you just have to use it properly. The Eagle on the other hand deserves to be on this list. It's suppose to be a sniping platform which i suppose it is but 200 dps or so with lowish alpha? Not very snipey imo. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Matrix Operator Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.04.16 01:31:00 - [39] - Quote CaptainFalcon07 wrote: What do you think is the most poorly designed ship that is so dysfunctional and broken that it can't even be fit or used properly? Legion. Titans.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 421	Posted - 2012.04.16 05:57:00 - [40] - Quote Matrix Operator wrote: CaptainFalcon07 wrote: What do you think is the most poorly designed ship that is so dysfunctional and broken that it can't even be fit or used properly? Legion. Titans. Heh, titans. Let me tell you about titans. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.04.16 06:37:00 - [41] - Quote Temu TheGreat wrote: ????? Please show me a good fit for a paladin that does not struggle with power grid issues... kthnx [Paladin, Tach Paladin] Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Energy Collision Accelerator I
Hathrul DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 61	Posted - 2012.04.16 11:39:00 - [42] - Quote phoenix. citadel torps are total ****. citadel cruise missiles.....noone ever used them afaik.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords 162	Posted - 2012.04.16 15:07:00 - [43] - Quote Verity Sovereign wrote: As for the navy issue exequror, I'd rather see it be like a halfway decent logi - but in its current role I will point out that it is significantly faster than a Thorax, its ROF bonus means its 4 turrets are 5.33 "effective turrets" before the 5% damage per level is factored in (but the thorax has this, so they cancel out), and it has the same low and med slot distribution I'm guessing the lower number of highs makes the fitting about the same So you get 6.67% more turret DPS, and 78 m/s more speed (45.8% faster) for the loss of about 200 armor, 200 shield, and 200 hull H I checked on this because I thought I had compared the Thorax to the ENI a long time ago and I remember the only difference between the two was speed and number of drones. Structure/Armor/Shield EHP were the same. Now Evelopedia shows they are different by quite a bit. Thorax/ENI/Rupture Sig Radius:140/108/130 Scan Res: 259/322/282 Inertia Mod: .585/.46/0.54 Did CCP do a stealth change to the stats of the Tier 1 Faction Cruisers, or am I just remembering incorrectly?
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1114	Posted - 2012.04.16 15:45:00 - [44] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Stabber Omen Tier 1 Cruisers Tier 1 Faction Cruisers Tier 1 Combat Frigs Ferox / Moa using Rails. Prephecy / Omen / Punisher using Lasers Bellicose Celestis Breacher Vigil Maulus I know some of these ships can be good in certain situations but they all could use some work. This and I'd add some out of my head, not exhaustive, there are far more than the ones above and below. +Eos +Sin +T1/T2 EF/EAF +Exequror and all T1 fake logi ships +Mackinaw and hulk for being such fail design (n-¦1 fail imho) and the T2 skif fake version whatsoever +T1 mining barges and industrials

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