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Cinta Verick
Amarr 4th Dimension Investments
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:09:00 -
[31]
Reserve me 30 shares please (300m) Thanks
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:15:00 -
[32]
50 shares for me please. |
Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:22:00 -
[33]
500 shares @ 10 mil = 5 bil for me pls. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:44:00 -
[34]
Another 100 for me. --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team |
Dawts
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:49:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Dawts on 12/01/2009 21:54:46 I'd like to reserve 2 shares.
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John Hedon
Caldari New Dominion
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:58:00 -
[36]
10 Shares for me please |
Elektra Cute
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:00:00 -
[37]
10 shares for me please. |
Alaki Kant
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:03:00 -
[38]
I'll take 20 shares please |
null lifter
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:12:00 -
[39]
10 more shares for me, please |
Jonny Suede
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:13:00 -
[40]
50 shares for me please |
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:54:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 12/01/2009 23:01:46 So far 1248 shares out of 4000 have been reserved in this thread, and a lot more privately. I'll compile a full list later on. 1728 still available for reservations. No payment is required for a few days while the share creation vote is in progress, but people are welcome to do so now if they prefer. --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team |
Javelin6
Minmatar Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:20:00 -
[42]
I would like to reserve 100 shares. |
Aussie Vengeance
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:31:00 -
[43]
I'd like to reserve 10 shares (100m).
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alduarne
Caldari LFC Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:39:00 -
[44]
10 shares for me please |
Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:45:00 -
[45]
Reserve 10 shares please. |
Vor'an
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:49:00 -
[46]
I would like to reserve 5 shares please. |
The Schwa
Coda Holdings
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:52:00 -
[47]
Reserve 35 shares (350m), please. |
Murixo
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:57:00 -
[48]
I confirm my reservation of 500 shares, subject to the timeframe I requested being allowed.
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Ad Adastra
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:00:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Ad Adastra on 12/01/2009 23:59:44 withdrawn
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J Carreg
Royal industry and research
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:00:00 -
[50]
Would like to reserve 10 shares please.
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HammerBlow
Caldari The Illustrious Typo Society
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:24:00 -
[51]
Please reserve 30 shares for me, thank you. |
Dagda Morr
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:39:00 -
[52]
Please reserve 5x shares for me - ISK will be sent tomorrow. |
Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:51:00 -
[53]
10 shares for me please. I'd invest more but I'm not impressed with the returns for the first 3 months. |
Skade Bax
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:59:00 -
[54]
Would like to reserve 2 shares. |
Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.13 01:10:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Frenden Dax on 13/01/2009 01:12:20
Originally by: Brock Nelson I'd invest more but I'm not impressed with the returns for the first 3 months.
Ditto. I would be investing more (currently own 100 shares) but 4% a month isn't worth my time. I'll keep the shares I already have in the hope that eventually Atima will up the dividend percentage, but... let's just say I'm disappointed, and if the IPO had been clearer about the the first three month's payouts then I wouldn't have invested at all. |
Togen Lei
Gallente Abyssal Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.13 01:58:00 -
[56]
1 share for me please, contact me ingame when the isk is due. Thank you |
Astarte Nosferatu
Minmatar Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:00:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Frenden Dax and if the IPO had been clearer about the the first three month's payouts then I wouldn't have invested at all.
Well, in Atima's defence, it was mentioned in the initial IPO thread from December. |
Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:43:00 -
[58]
Maybe but then it'll be a bond, not IPO would it?
Bond = percentage of profit goes to shareholders IPO = 100% of profit goes to shareholders
10% for Returning Customers |
Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2009.01.13 03:22:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Brock Nelson Maybe but then it'll be a bond, not IPO would it?
Bond = percentage of profit goes to shareholders IPO = 100% of profit goes to shareholders
Not necessarily. Bonds are a fixed return which can be a percentage of the profits or can even be paid when there's losses (as the payment is always due).
His method is how most IPO's would function anyway. Low dividend return up front so that profits can be reinvested into the corporation in expectation of higher future dividends (as is the case). So, he's reinvesting money and giving us 4% in expectation that we'll get 10% later on.
Take for example an investment of 1billion for 6 months. 3 months at 4% and 3 months at 10%. What's your internal rate of return and NPV? Well using excel, you get a return of about 6.19% and an NPV (assuming a 5% required return) of $9,582,136.58. Of course, the longer you hold it, the better NPV you get in the long run.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.13 03:55:00 -
[60]
Edited by: cosmoray on 13/01/2009 03:58:48
Originally by: Damien Jax
Originally by: Brock Nelson Maybe but then it'll be a bond, not IPO would it?
Bond = percentage of profit goes to shareholders IPO = 100% of profit goes to shareholders
Not necessarily. Bonds are a fixed return which can be a percentage of the profits or can even be paid when there's losses (as the payment is always due).
His method is how most IPO's would function anyway. Low dividend return up front so that profits can be reinvested into the corporation in expectation of higher future dividends (as is the case). So, he's reinvesting money and giving us 4% in expectation that we'll get 10% later on.
Take for example an investment of 1billion for 6 months. 3 months at 4% and 3 months at 10%. What's your internal rate of return and NPV? Well using excel, you get a return of about 6.19% and an NPV (assuming a 5% required return) of $9,582,136.58. Of course, the longer you hold it, the better NPV you get in the long run.
I don't agree. IPO's that payout low initially to reinvest for growth is good if divs are long term, but this IPO has a term limit so I consider it a bond. In this case the OP gets to reinvest at first with a promise of MAYBE paying more later.
Technically OP did nothing wrong but original IPO was confusing. I thought it was an IPO! Maybe I'm an idiot.
A couple of things I don't like how the secondary market is going.
1. People expanding Bonds. Bonds shouldn't be expanded. They should be paid, and a new bond released.
2. People expanding too quickly. Two or three of the recent IPO's, where the player has no real history are running huge expansions before even running their business model.
In Atima's case he hasn't even got to his business plan yet. He is just doing some trading while his BPO's are researched. We don't know that he is a good business man, but he is having a 100% expansion after 2 weeks (irrational exuberance indeed!). If everyone was a stickler for the IPO document, then there should have been a vote first. This approach almost forces people to reserve. The shareholders didn't get a chance to see how the business is run.
Will he be comfortable in the expansion with the increase workload? How do we know? Kazzac has been making an important point about this. Burnout!
I am a bit disappointed in how this is playing out.
As offered I am sending my 30 shares back to Atima for 315M ISK.
Shares returned to Atima Holdings
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