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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:17:00 -
[151]
Originally by: lordbalan
All the other recons need to be boosted.....
And I thought there was a reason for nerfing them.
Originally by: Stab Wounds and another falcon?
Tbh we need moar failcons. |

Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:18:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong I suck. End of story. I'm sorry you are not capable to understand it.
I r stupid
There, I fixed it for you aswell.  |

Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:19:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 14/01/2009 20:58:00
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong WWAAAA do not wanna use a slot better to cry to ccp for a nerf nerf....
Fixed.
Even a thorax with a eccm fitted has 30ish str that DOUBLE the str of a falcons jammer on a t1 cruiser....
ECCM sucks. End of story. I'm sorry you are not capable to understand it.
ECM adds a measure of unpredictability to combat in eve, im sorry if you suck and need for it to be predictable and are unable to adapt during combat. |

Major Celine
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:21:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Stalina
Tbh we need moar failcons.
Success of being outnumbered at all. With or without falcons. |

chrisss0r
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:21:00 -
[155]
i want a shuttle-based ship with a module that can shut off every tank module of targetted ships. (3-4) from 200km
it wouldn't be overpowered for the ship would not be able to tank, deal damage or do anything else.
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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:22:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Murina
ECM adds a measure of unpredictability to combat in eve, im sorry if you suck and need for it to be predictable and are unable to adapt during combat.
Oh yes, I'm jammed, how unpredictable! *Waves hands around* |

Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:23:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong I suck. End of story. I'm sorry you are not capable to understand it.
I r stupid
There, I fixed it for you aswell. 
Oh my, your "fix" has "a few"grammatical problems, my dear. And I see you don't object to mine as you quoted it too. Self awereness is a beautiful thing. |

Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:24:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Murina
ECM adds a measure of unpredictability to combat in eve, im sorry if you suck and need for it to be predictable and are unable to adapt during combat.
It adds nothing. It is boring. It requires LESS skill. It makes the game dull for everyone involved except the few noobs that desperately need overpowered mechanics to get a kill in eve because of lack of mental capabilities.   |

Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:25:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel Self awereness is a beautiful thing.
Oh the irony... |

Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:27:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Endless Subversion
Originally by: Murina
ECM adds a measure of unpredictability to combat in eve, im sorry if you suck and need for it to be predictable and are unable to adapt during combat.
Oh yes, I'm jammed, how unpredictable! *Waves hands around*
You obviously know nothing about the ecm mechanic, either that or you fly t1 frigs....
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:29:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Murina
ECM adds a measure of unpredictability to combat in eve, im sorry if you suck and need for it to be predictable and are unable to adapt during combat.
It adds nothing. It is boring. It requires LESS skill. It makes the game dull for everyone involved except the few noobs that desperately need overpowered mechanics to get a kill in eve because of lack of mental capabilities.
You have no clue about gang pvp unless it involves predictable fights with predictable out comes, IE: BORING.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:29:00 -
[162]
Originally by: chrisss0r i want a shuttle-based ship with a module that can shut off every tank module of targetted ships. (3-4) from 200km
it wouldn't be overpowered for the ship would not be able to tank, deal damage or do anything else.
oh yes and i want a 95% chance to be successfull. for nothing that is chance based can ever be overpowered!
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:30:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Stalina on 14/01/2009 21:31:20
Originally by: Major Celine
Originally by: Stalina
Tbh we need moar failcons.
Success of being outnumbered at all. With or without falcons.
You know the killboard only tells you who managed to get on the one killmail the "smaller fleet" achieved, it doesnt tell you how many of them escaped as they simply didn't manage to end up on any killmail. But anyway, a 20 man bs-heavy fleet achieving one kill over a 10 minute period has nothing to do with the number of falcons, but with being outnumbered.
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Jonas Barcal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:32:00 -
[164]
Originally by: chrisss0r
oh yes and i want a 95% chance to be successfull. for nothing that is chance based can ever be overpowered!
Chance is underpowered, I don't like losing!!
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:35:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Stalina
You know the killboard only tells you who managed to get on the one killmail the "smaller fleet" achieved, it doesnt tell you how many of them escaped as they simply didn't manage to end up on any killmail. But anyway, a 20 man bs-heavy fleet achieving one kill over a 10 minute period has nothing to do with the number of falcons, but with being outnumbered.
A 20 man short range bs-heavy fleet, when faced with its natural counter, dies. Oh my, so imbalanced! =====
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:37:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Stalina on 14/01/2009 21:38:02
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
A 20 man short range bs-heavy fleet, when faced with its natural counter, dies. Oh my, so imbalanced!
You didn't quite get it. There might have been even more people, but if they didn't get on any killmail or lossmail they wont be showing up on the killboard.
In actual combat, if you get jammed you warp out and wont appear there.
But i thought you would come up with a counter against a Falcon blob. |

Jonas Barcal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:40:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Stalina
But i thought you would come up with a counter against a Falcon blob.
Don't need to counter a falcon blob as they don't do any damage. |

Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:41:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Jonas Barcal
Originally by: Stalina
But i thought you would come up with a counter against a Falcon blob.
Don't need to counter a falcon blob as they don't do any damage.
You mean you didn't fit for any damage? |

Major Celine
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:42:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Stalina Edited by: Stalina on 14/01/2009 21:38:02
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
A 20 man short range bs-heavy fleet, when faced with its natural counter, dies. Oh my, so imbalanced!
You didn't quite get it. There might have been even more people, but if they didn't get on any killmail or lossmail they wont be showing up on the killboard.
In actual combat, if you get jammed you warp out and wont appear there.
But i thought you would come up with a counter against a Falcon blob.
As I can see, none of your ships (losses at least) had any kind of eccm fitted. Hell, even 3-4 Drakes with one eccm each could wipe out all the falcons (or at least make them warping out). |

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:45:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Stab Wounds Waa waaa learn2pvp.
should try umm getting some friends? maybe a buddy that can snipe and another falcon? try again.
Holy **** lmao, my irony meter just got vaporized  |
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Jonas Barcal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:45:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Stalina
You mean you didn't fit for any damage?
Of course not I'm sitting at 200km like every other falcon pilot with unlimited number of strategic bookmarks of systems I've never even visited (the bookmarks come with the ship) |

Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:46:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Stalina on 14/01/2009 21:45:55
Originally by: Major Celine
As I can see, none of your ships (losses at least) had any kind of eccm fitted. Hell, even 3-4 Drakes with one eccm each could wipe out all the falcons (or at least make them warping out).
Yes and if the Faclons pilots suck, dont use Voicecoms and only put one of them possible 66 jammers on 1 of the drakes. |

Jonas Barcal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:57:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Stalina So if a blob of falcons would fit like actually "missiles bays and a turret" and get a little closer they might DO damage? Besides the other 20 people that dont take any damage, thanks to them falcons.
I can just imagine 20 falcons with missiles gettting blown up by a disco domi saying but I had him jammed WTF.
Falcons are one dimensioned like all Caldari ships, if you want to change ECM better get CCP to redesign the rules for Caldari from the ground up first as 'different' isn't good enough. |

Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:02:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Jonas Barcal
I can just imagine 20 falcons with missiles gettting blown up by a disco domi saying but I had him jammed WTF.
You mean the missiles get blown up and you just wait until the domi runs out of cap while staying out of smarty range.
Originally by: Jonas Barcal
Falcons are one dimensioned like all Caldari ships, if you want to change ECM better get CCP to redesign the rules for Caldari from the ground up first as 'different' isn't good enough.
Well adding scripts to ECm would be the deal for me, nothing big to change. |

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:02:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 14/01/2009 22:03:26
Originally by: Stalina
Originally by: lordbalan
All the other recons need to be boosted.....
And I thought there was a reason for nerfing them.
Originally by: Stab Wounds and another falcon?
Tbh we need moar failcons.
Learn, Adapt, Overcome.
Next time you fight these guys you know they roll heavy on ecm, bring some eccm'ed snipers, have eccm on every ship bigger than a cruiser, bring projected eccm whereever you have a free slot, have an Eos as fleet booster if possible.
Then shoot down a billion isk in recon ships in less than a minute. Decloak your own ewar at this point. While panic gets the better part of your enemy, spread points, overload guns and melt what doesnt run away. |

Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:06:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Next time you fight these guys you know they roll heavy on ecm, bring some eccm'ed snipers, have eccm on every ship bigger than a cruiser, bring projected eccm whereever you have a free slot, have an Eos as fleet booster if possible.
Then shoot down a billion isk in recon ships in less than a minute. While panic gets the better part of your enemy, spread points, overload guns and melt what doesnt run away.
And what prevents your eccm snipers from being blown up in seconds? ah yes moar ships... I mean my blob is bigger than yours. |

Major Celine
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:08:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Stalina And what prevents your eccm snipers from being blown up in seconds? ah yes moar ships... I mean my blob is bigger than yours.
Meh, your RR BS are blown up in seconds, too. What are you looking for, a balancing that makes you win? |

Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:12:00 -
[178]
Edited by: Stalina on 14/01/2009 22:16:03
Originally by: Major Celine
Originally by: Stalina And what prevents your eccm snipers from being blown up in seconds? ah yes moar ships... I mean my blob is bigger than yours.
Meh, your RR BS are blown up in seconds, too. What are you looking for, a balancing that makes you win?
I didn't come up with the idea of ECCM-Snipers in a RR fleet as a counter to a falcon blob, but afaik RR bs have way more hitpoints than sniper bs and can withstand more damage.
As I wrote, scripted ECM would surely do the trick. you either take the longer range or the better jamming strength. Sounds balanced to me. You would still be able to jam over the same distance, you would just need to activate more than 1 jammer. |

Major Celine
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Stalina I didn't come up with the idea of ECCM-Snipers in a RR fleet as a counter to a falcon blob, but afaik RR bs have way more hitpoints than sniper bs and can withstand more damage.
Yes, and an ECCM fitted on a RR BS won't change that fact. You are correct. |

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:15:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Stalina
And what prevents your eccm snipers from being blown up in seconds? ah yes moar ships... I mean my blob is bigger than yours.
ECCM'ed sniper BS come with the same amount of prepared 200km bookmarks as falcons do, dont see why they should get popped. |
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