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Froztwolf
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:29:00 -
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I hear Tabula Rasa lifetime membership is a pretty good deal as well.
Originally by: lamarar I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
The pricing difference is a common problem with not only games but books as well. Many of their prices were set at the time of printing/publication when the American Dollar was much stronger than it is today.
At the same time you're not really paying more than you paid 4 years ago, it just seems that way when you compare it to the USD.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Joe on 14/01/2009 08:40:08 edit=quoting fail
Originally by: Mecinia Lua The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
hi, can i have a Linky please. I'm actually pretty dirt poor in rl, so i need conformation of this asap, March 10 isnt that long for me to steal a new machine.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Edited by: Joe on 14/01/2009 08:40:08 edit=quoting fail
Originally by: Mecinia Lua The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
hi, can i have a Linky please. I'm actually pretty dirt poor in rl, so i need conformation of this asap, March 10 isnt that long for me to steal a new machine.
Linkage
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: RayBanJockey There is nothing that saves you money better than MMO's, no matter the cost. I remember when I was unemployed for two years straight with a really low insurance payout - think I could have had as much fun without eve and wow? Having 3 accounts is pushing it a bit but eve itself isn't overpriced at all if you consider the cost per minute of other RL stuff like going to the movies and/or taking girls out ^^
My friends spent easily 3 eve subs worth of money a month just on partying with their mates on weekends during highschool. Some of my other friends now spend easily 10 eve subs worth of money a month on partying, just to get started.
If I spend R150 (~3/4 of an eve sub) on alcohol in a month, that's a HELL of a lot for me. I also don't have to worry about 'gas' (petrol) since I don't go anywhere I can't go on foot/cycle to :D ---
Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN
Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
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Navtiqes
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Joe Edited by: Joe on 14/01/2009 08:40:08 edit=quoting fail
Originally by: Mecinia Lua The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
hi, can i have a Linky please. I'm actually pretty dirt poor in rl, so i need conformation of this asap, March 10 isnt that long for me to steal a new machine.
Linkage
Great, becuase im part of the '3-5%' of the population whos home machine isnt worth more than my car, i get screwed. thanx for pionting this out to me D.sque
I bet the real numbers are something more alng the lines of 80% of people use classic becuase it doesnt cuase their 2 clients to crash.
Anyway, LazyFail on the part of the CCP art team.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 09:42:44
i'm guessing you're not a software developer. maintaining 2 branches of the same app is a MASSIVE hassle. it's not just an exercise in copy/paste.
my pc cost ú300 and runs premium fine. your car must be ****ing rubbish. a SM3 card costs about ú30-ú40 these days, and will likely be obsolete by winter 2009.
also, read the devblog. they are introducing premium lite for people who maintain that their 486DX2 should be able to run all new software.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 09:39:30 my pc cost ú300 and runs premium fine. your car must be ****ing rubbish.
also, read the devblog. they are introducing premium lite for people who maintain that their 486DX2 should be able to run all new software.
My cars 19 years old :). I think my puter might be worth more than it.
I can't remember what video card I have though :(, so I'll be checking it when I get home in about 4 hours. I know I can't use the premium graphics because it doesn't support shader 3, I just hope it supports shader 2 as I am not quite ready to replace it. (Though it is in the plans for this year to replace the computer but probably not before summer).
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Joran Orduvium
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:43:00 -
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been a brit that lives in the gulf money is no object been the only man from britain that is working in the whole world and my attempt at sarcasm is
get a f***ing job i run 2 accounts my misses runs 2 accounts and were even training a character for my 1 year old son(for when hes a grown up) so that makes 5.eve will never die youn man
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 14/01/2009 10:06:10 Heck for some countries like mine I can fund a years subscription of eve for the cost of 2 bottles of tequila.
And note some european countries outside the EU pays in dollars , not euro :)
"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
I have to say this, but why not just go down to 1 account? You can still play the game just as well, you just won't be able to exploit the massive advantages multiple accounts gives you, like neutral scouts and spies. Or maybe playing without an advantage scares you?
If the economic crisis means a reduction in neutral scouts and spies, then it won't be all bad.
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Lord Bleu
Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:22:00 -
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My mobile phone bill cost more than ú30 per month (which is what eve costs me) and I get NO enjoyment from my mobile phone!
If I go out on the pi55, I spend alot more than ú30. ú30 for a months of great entertainment is a good deal IMO. ------- I came, I saw, I drank all the beer! |
Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 09:42:44
i'm guessing you're not a software developer. maintaining 2 branches of the same app is a MASSIVE hassle. it's not just an exercise in copy/paste.
my pc cost ú300 and runs premium fine. your car must be ****ing rubbish. a SM3 card costs about ú30-ú40 these days, and will likely be obsolete by winter 2009.
also, read the devblog. they are introducing premium lite for people who maintain that their 486DX2 should be able to run all new software.
CCP have a specific devision purely for art. I doubt they spend all day editing alliance logos and have no time left over for making two models of everything.
a Sm3 gfz card might cost 30$, but it would also require me to buy a new motherboard.... and a new cpu.. and new ram..I'd be upgrading everything to play one game, the software i use for work runs perfectly fine on the system i have now. You basicly covered why i havent upgraded in a while tho..
Originally by: ry ry will likely be obsolete by winter 2009.
Thats right, i dont keep up with the jones's, I dont compare Epeen length at LAN's, and i certainly have no interest in keeping up with the 'cutting edge of technology' or whatever martketting directors are calling it these days.
I'm quite happy to be paying the highest prices possible for any MMO, becuase its the best one out there, what i dont like is a system thats working perfectly fine, being trashed becuase not enough of the Eve population is using the 'premium version' and runningtheir 2 accounts in classic. I beleive the majority of players have 2 accounts by now becuase of the previous dozen 'power of two' promotions, and running 2 'premium' clients is like running 2 slideshows with a tendancy to crash no matter how much youve spent on your machine.
Finally dont tell me 'read the blog', if it wear clear that this was happing i wouldnt have to have requested a linky from another player in a forum thread.... why did i have todo that? Becuase the Dev blog linky in the news is written with the same pompus I.T attitude that you come across with, 'oh look it runs on my Amiga' no, amigas dont dont grab my interest, havent for about 20 years, so why would I read a dev blog about them (or 486DX2 for that matter smartass), the first paragraph looks like another self promotion of the upcomming patch, and combined with the topic title creates no interest at all.
The change should be linkied in the general discussions forum. popping it in the news and giving it a cute offtopic title isnt good enough.
Anyway, off to research parts for my new comp, I'm sure an I.T superstar like yourself could have linkied a few cheap components that would have kept thousands of effected players happy in your post, but i realise the general attitude of I.T nerds usually prevents this and its alot easier to just act like a jackass instead. |
Lui Kai
Logistics Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Great, becuase im part of the '3-5%' of the population whos home machine isnt worth more than my car, i get screwed. thanx for pionting this out to me D.sque
I bet the real numbers are something more alng the lines of 80% of people use classic becuase it doesnt cuase their 2 clients to crash.
Anyway, LazyFail on the part of the CCP art team.
1. SD2 compatable cards are going for around US$30-50. If your car is worth less than that, I'd like the name of the dealership.
2. Most people find premium to be more stable than classic, with higher framerates. I, myself, have noticed this with even 3 accounts open - though I'm not tech enough to understand why it is.
3. Not maintaining antiquated and out of date software isn't lazy, it's good business. No one's claiming MS is being lazy because they no longer release patches for Windows 3.11 (With Networking!) This is the same. ----------------
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:46:00 -
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Also i'd like to point out that i pay 18e/month to post on a god damn internet forum!...which says more about my zealot like fanatism to the game in any shape or form, as i must be connected to it even if not playing it...then about the current price of the "server allowance" as i like to call it.
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:53:00 -
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I'm cool with it and I don't think I ever have more than 500 bucks in the bank ever. Sorry it doesn't fit in with your allowance? shin ku myo u
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 10:56:04
Originally by: Joe Thats right, i dont keep up with the jones's, I dont compare Epeen length at LAN's, and i certainly have no interest in keeping up with the 'cutting edge of technology' or whatever martketting directors are calling it these days.
I'm quite happy to be paying the highest prices possible for any MMO, becuase its the best one out there, what i dont like is a system thats working perfectly fine, being trashed becuase not enough of the Eve population is using the 'premium version' and runningtheir 2 accounts in classic. I beleive the majority of players have 2 accounts by now becuase of the previous dozen 'power of two' promotions, and running 2 'premium' clients is like running 2 slideshows with a tendancy to crash no matter how much youve spent on your machine.
Finally dont tell me 'read the blog', if it wear clear that this was happing i wouldnt have to have requested a linky from another player in a forum thread.... why did i have todo that? Becuase the Dev blog linky in the news is written with the same pompus I.T attitude that you come across with, 'oh look it runs on my Amiga' no, amigas dont dont grab my interest, havent for about 20 years, so why would I read a dev blog about them (or 486DX2 for that matter smartass), the first paragraph looks like another self promotion of the upcomming patch, and combined with the topic title creates no interest at all.
The change should be linkied in the general discussions forum. popping it in the news and giving it a cute offtopic title isnt good enough.
Anyway, off to research parts for my new comp, I'm sure an I.T superstar like yourself could have linkied a few cheap components that would have kept thousands of effected players happy in your post, but i realise the general attitude of I.T nerds usually prevents this and its alot easier to just act like a jackass instead.
oh **** off.
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi on 14/01/2009 11:00:29 Edited by: Hoshi on 14/01/2009 10:59:10
Originally by: Joe
a Sm3 gfz card might cost 30$, but it would also require me to buy a new motherboard.... and a new cpu.. and new ram..I'd be upgrading everything to play one game, the software i use for work runs perfectly fine on the system i have now. You basicly covered why i havent upgraded in a while tho..
Here is a SM3 capable card for 40$ (can probably be found cheaper, just first I found) that won't force you to upgrade the rest of your computer. Unless you don't even have agp, but if that's the case then your computer was outdated long before EVE was even released. AGP became standard around 10 years ago.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130233
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:05:00 -
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Just a Protip to save money:
Step 1: Buy US Visa Prepaid card Step 2: Use the address of a friend Step 3: Create US EvE acct Step 4: Transfer Char to account Step 5: Use US prepaid Visa to pay for sub Step 6: Win?
Or just buy GTC in dollars too. Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
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Miyeko Deux
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:20:00 -
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Ok read the Dev Blog and all I have to say about you whiners with 'older machines' is pfffft. The specs they listed up there cover machines that you can pick up on NewEgg for 600$, not, as one person above stated 'more than the cost of my car'.
Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, EQ2, AoC, DAoC, Warhammer, hell even the upcoming Diablo II, all have higher computing needs. If this makes you choke on your cheerios, choke away, geez gosh golly.
Updating and upgrading your computer is something most people do every 3-4 years, not something thats unheard of. The needs for Eve are still less stringent than virtually everything out there.
The arguement that it will cause more people to leave is unfounded. If you can afford 15$ a month to play , you can afford to budget 600$ to buy a new comp if yours is so far behind the curve. Its ALL entertainment money your spending, and if you can afford to be entertained (by what is arguably the cheapest monthly form ever) you should be able to upgrade every once in a while. |
Par'Gellen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sitana Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
That was freakin hilarious! |
Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:08:00 -
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The price of an EVE account is the same price as an account with any other MMO. The only thing that makes it seem more expensive is the fact that if you want to have multiple characters, you have to have multiple accounts. I don't know what CCP's reasoning behind this is, but I can think of two logical reasons myself:
1. If you could skill up multiple characters on one account, people would be skilling up characters just to sell left and right.
2. If people could have a pvp character and a high-end mining/industry character on the same account, the games economy would fall through the floor because there would be 10 times as many industrial characters as there are now.
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Oftherocks
Caldari Of The Rocks Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something.
Hehehehe, you said Bjork, that is hilarious
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
No, i play hello kitty online and just paid for 5 years to come here and make comments about stuff i know nothing about and Wranglers pants.
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David Grogan
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:41:00 -
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ccp might need to drop its price for a few months so we can all save up to buy new pixel shader 3.0 compliant graphics cards and replace our old laptops with new ones :P
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Cornelius Poindexter
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:49:00 -
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The economy argument by the OP holds no water. MMO's are much, much cheaper than other RL activities. Compare such activities as bowling, going to the bar, going out for dinner and etc., you will find that time spent playing an MMO will be much less expensive.
Last night I mined for 3 hours instead of heading up the street to have a couple of brews at the bar. I will easily spend $20.00 - $30.00 on drinks and food for myself. Here is what I paid for EVE last night:
Since I have two accounts, and there are roughly 730 hours per month, I paid $0.12/hour to mine last night( 730hours/$30.00subscription). That is dirt cheap entertainment. |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:57:00 -
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I'm going to defend LotRO at this point. It does not deserve to be called a game that only people with nine braincells play. It's not that bad, actually.
Anyway, I'm stunned that nobody has actually made the post yet. It's been alluded to, but not done... |
Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.15 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Zex Maxwell on 15/01/2009 07:26:57 The game is worth what you pay for. as long as you keep your skills training. I have 3 accounts, all of them are paid by the year. so far eve is the best MMO i ever played. If i can have a life, keep money moving (Evebank plug) and train my toons skills all at the same time. it is WORTH the 137ish US dollars!
PS: Can i have your stuff? Its a good way for me to make money during my off time hours.
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Opertone
Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:28:00 -
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this thread is lame...
a video card doesn't have to be a 500 USD model... if you like to tinker with hardware - you can upgrade your computer for less than 400 entirely. It will be out of date, but better what you may have now.
No... eve is cheap, cheaper than internet subscription, cheaper than electricity or public transport. It is a 30 dollar a month fun. Maybe you'd dine in Mc Donald's a few times for that.
Save on your taxi trip. Don't do joints. Finally quit smoking. I agree that 3 accounts are getting expensive. But the game is so much better without infinite crowd of alts. |
Jericho Alar
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Originally by: Joe
Great, becuase im part of the '3-5%' of the population whos home machine isnt worth more than my car, i get screwed. thanx for pionting this out to me D.sque
I bet the real numbers are something more alng the lines of 80% of people use classic becuase it doesnt cuase their 2 clients to crash.
Anyway, LazyFail on the part of the CCP art team.
1. SD2 compatable cards are going for around US$30-50. If your car is worth less than that, I'd like the name of the dealership.
2. Most people find premium to be more stable than classic, with higher framerates. I, myself, have noticed this with even 3 accounts open - though I'm not tech enough to understand why it is.
3. Not maintaining antiquated and out of date software isn't lazy, it's good business. No one's claiming MS is being lazy because they no longer release patches for Windows 3.11 (With Networking!) This is the same.
I'd take a shot at 2. being because of better heap management and resource allocation - and that the premium client probably wastes fewer cpu cycles on software paths for image drawing (since it uses 'modern' graphics routines that are supported by cards from the last 5 years or so; rather than older routines that newer cards no longer support).
to Joe: a Shader2 card is anything produced in the last 6 years, so unless your machine is at least 5 years old you probably already have support. They're not asking you to buy the latest ATI or nVidia card - just something produced within the 21st century. |
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