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lamarar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:15:00 -
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I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:17:00 -
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stuff. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:19:00 -
[3]
LOL@stuff |
Furb Killer
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:21:00 -
[4]
Eve is dying, you heard it here first (wel not really). |
Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:21:00 -
[5]
stuff can i have...
come on Eve is not like other mmo's it doesn't directly compete with them as its a unique sandbox not cookie cutter same old, same old (with different graphics)
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Salliene
Gallente
Trinity Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:22:00 -
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 Originally by: lamarar
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
Sorry, everyone at CCP is too busy preparing for the 6 year anniversary party of their dying game to answer any questions.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Brutal Seizure
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:22:00 -
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EVE is dying again??? Oh nose! |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
HAHAHAHA. |
Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:23:00 -
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Aye its alot more expensives for us Brits since the enconomic crisis started, but its not exactly eve's fault. They haven't actually increased the prices. Though CCP should start charging GTC's and CC in ú aswell as $ and Euro. Or lower the prices to even out the effect of the economic crisis. |
Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:24:00 -
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Quote:
CCP should start charging GTC's and CC in ú aswell as $ and Euro. Or lower the prices to even out the effect of the economic crisis.
**** no, we should jump on the euro whilst it's 1:1! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar
timecards price fixing
Lolwut ? You mean, timecard RL cost adjustment ? Because the ISK price was NEVER "fixed" in any way.
Quote:
therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable
The average is 1.3 accounts per player. You are one of the very few (less than 5%) with more than 2 accounts. Time to go back to a single account, it seems.
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Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
See you in 2-3 years when LOTRO closes down.
"Lifetime membership" doesn't mean YOUR lifetime, it means the game's lifetime. They calibrate it in such a way as to get about as much cash out of you as they could possibly hope to get out of you if you were a faithful customer.
Quote:
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
Subscriber numbers have KEPT INCREASING even in this economic recession we're witnessing, in spite of the policies enacted by CCP which you keep criticizing.
So, apparently, their policy is good enough, for now at least.
P.S. Why bother charging less if no other game comes close in long-term enjoyability ? |
Eran Laude
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Eran Laude on 13/01/2009 16:27:12
Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
If you're serious [I doubt it] you will regret it.
EDIT: Also, a 60d timecard is ú23.45 on Battleclinic. Onoes! 
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:29:00 -
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Having only one account I can easily afford it 
But of course I fully understand your concern and agree that you should switch to LOTRO.
Apart from that I want to offer my services for disposal of your virtual belongings. Just contract everything to this character and don't forget to send the remaining ISK you have.
Have fun with LOTRO!
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:32:00 -
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eve is dying so badly that hordes of people are joining just to watch it die.
or something. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:34:00 -
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*looks to left*
*looks to right*
I pay around 18e/month... |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
I think the price is pretty low actually. I paid 133 dollar for 1 year subscription, which makes it about 11 dollar a month. I think I can get 1-2 beers for that price.. And when we know CCP dont add anything for their expansion EVE online is a real bargain!
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:40:00 -
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CCP is sorry for the fact they don't have millions of subscribers so the price can go down.
Infact, they should charge moar! |
Victor Adler
The Incredible Machine
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:40:00 -
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Going by basic credit card subscription prices:
EVE costs $14.99 a month.
LOTRO costs $14.99 a month.
Warhammer Online costs $14.00 a month.
Everquest II costs $14.99 a month.
World of Warcraft costs $14.99 a month.
Yeah, EVE Online is really the most expensive of all of those games. |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:43:00 -
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this thread just makes me want to buy more and more GTCs |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:44:00 -
[20]
Can I have your stuff? |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 13/01/2009 16:46:47
1. Learn how to make reasonable amounts of isk with a time commitment that is justifiable
2. Buy GTCs with ISK
3. Let the rich kids who aren't feeling the world economic recession thingy pay your EVE sub(s) for you
4. Stop being a bigot
5. ???
6. Profit
To Akita T, there has in fact been some GTC price-fixing occurring. Prior to the whole 'world economic recession', you could get a 30-day for 150mil and a 60-day for 280mil or so. Economic recession thingy kicks in and we see South Africans paying R10.5/$1, where it was ~R7/$1 prior. That's a 50% increase. How did GTCs react?
30-day GTCs disappeared and 60-day GTCs went up to 450mil in price. 50% more than their previous price of 300mil. But wait! There's more! If you sift through the forum threads of old you will notice that the price gradually got pushed up by fake buy/sell threads, steadily increasing the price! Demand went up and supply went down? Rubbish - you couldn't have a thread up for more than a minute at the 'buying' price that these people had pushed it up to without it being filled.
So GTCs now sit at a toasty 600mil for a 60-day, on average. That's 100% more than they used to be.
That aside; can I have one of your characters? :D |
Salliene
Gallente
Trinity Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Adler
Going by basic credit card subscription prices:
EVE costs $14.99 a month.
LOTRO costs $14.99 a month.
Warhammer Online costs $14.00 a month.
Everquest II costs $14.99 a month.
World of Warcraft costs $14.99 a month.
Yeah, EVE Online is really the most expensive of all of those games.
Don't forget:
Warhammer Online - $49.99
LOTRO - $49.99 + $29.99 for Moria
World of Warcraft - $29.99 + $29.99 + $39.99
EVE - $0.00 + $0.00 + $0.00 + $0.00 + $0.00
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Bumbum George
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO
stuffz, i wantz them, you gief them, now! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/01/2009 17:00:59
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
To Akita T, there has in fact been some GTC price-fixing occurring.
[stuff]
That's price adjustment, caused by external factors.
"Price fixing" means something else entirely, and it certainly not appliable in this case.
It would imply GTC sellers (or GTC buyers) have some form of agreement to sell at or buy only at certain prices - which is obviously not the case, there is no such bloc of people that have the power to dictate prices unilaterally. All GTC sellers try to get as much as possible, all buyers try to pay as little as possible. It's not price fixing, it's free market chaos. |
Edward Tang
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Edward Tang on 13/01/2009 17:10:10
Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
Be cautios. Any MMO desperate enough for such an offer has some serious subscription problem... Hellgate London anyone? |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:14:00 -
[26]
Originally by: lamarar
running 3 accounts
LOL. You're running 3 accounts and complaining because it's expensive. Maybe just run 1 account, as intended? You'll feel economic relief immediately. I guarantee it. |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
Hmm that depends on how long lifetime is, and if the game is any fun.
When they start offering lifetime memberships it usually means the expected lifetime is short and that the game isnt really fun. |
Gnomes Rock
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I think the price is pretty low actually. I paid 133 dollar for 1 year subscription, which makes it about 11 dollar a month. I think I can get 1-2 beers for that price.. And when we know CCP dont add anything for their expansion EVE online is a real bargain!
You're neglecting the fact that people in europe have to pay with money which isn't the same value as monopoly money.
To the op; you figured that Eve costs to much and you can't justify it, I sympathise with that alot. But it wasn't worth a thread, in some magical forum where the majority weren't self-indulgent trolls it might be, but this is eve.
Having said that, lol lotro. |
Wolfae
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: lamarar
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
Leaving? Didn't we recently hit an all time high or something? |
Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:21:00 -
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You're right, I'm sick of paying $0.00 a month by playing with GTCs, CCP should pay me, thanks for the tip! |
Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 13/01/2009 17:28:16
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
Hmm that depends on how long lifetime is, and if the game is any fun.
When they start offering lifetime memberships it usually means the expected lifetime is short and that the game isnt really fun.
Quiet you. Everyone knows "life-time" is much better then any set period of time. I mean it's a life-time! That is a long time in the computer industry.
Sort of like when the computer industry switched from 3 year warranties to life-time warranties on certain parts because life-time sounded better (and happened to be much shorter  ).
edit: Yay! page 2. |
H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gnomes Rock
You're neglecting the fact that people in europe have to pay with money which isn't the same value as monopoly money.
Everyone can pay in USD - just buy a GTC and use it for your subscription.
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:42:00 -
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EVE is dying, those PCU records (two set in a week) are all lies!
Everyone Give me your stuff so its easier for CCP to delete it!
Breaking News:
Eve is one of the few MMO's to have subscriber numbers ONLY rise. Eve has NEVER seen a significant drop in active subs ever. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 13/01/2009 17:45:36
Does the 'white powder' dealer think; "Oh no, my prices aren't competitive with the local pot sellers."?
I pay him every 6 months, despite being a poor student. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:52:00 -
[35]
Unoriginal topic is unoriginal. |
Iskandara Cho
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:53:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Salliene
Sorry, everyone at CCP is too busy preparing for the 6 year anniversary party of their dying game to answer any questions.
That and preparing another "We've broken our number of concurrent players record, again this weekend, and the weekend before that and the weekend before that..." announcement. If this is dying, who needs living? |
Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:00:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Iskandara Cho
If this is dying, who needs living?
Zombies? |
Lt Angus
Caldari
End Game.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:09:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Victor Adler
Going by basic credit card subscription prices:
EVE costs $14.99 a month.
LOTRO costs $14.99 a month.
Warhammer Online costs $14.00 a month.
Everquest II costs $14.99 a month.
World of Warcraft costs $14.99 a month.
Yeah, EVE Online is really the most expensive of all of those games.
And in the uk eve costs arround $20 |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:16:00 -
[39]
Originally by: lamarar
(I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow),
So how did you like their two free Expansions?
Oh wait..... |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:19:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Edward Tang
Edited by: Edward Tang on 13/01/2009 17:10:10
Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
Be cautios. Any MMO desperate enough for such an offer has some serious subscription problem... Hellgate London anyone?
HGL was dead the second it was released. Online was the nail in the coffin along with the 'premium' deal which ****ed off a ****load of people.
I laughed real hard when I got the e-mail, too. I went out and bought the game the day it was released, even had my hopes up. I don't even think I played past half of the game, it was terrible, I played it for maybe a week to give it a chance but it just... felt so bad after getting all my hopes up.
I was an avid Diablo II fan and followed these guys around, but I know good enough that Diablo II was a fluke and that most likely D3 won't even live up to it. But I guess I'll make do. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:32:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Salliene
Originally by: Victor Adler
Going by basic credit card subscription prices:
EVE costs $14.99 a month.
LOTRO costs $14.99 a month.
Warhammer Online costs $14.00 a month.
Everquest II costs $14.99 a month.
World of Warcraft costs $14.99 a month.
Yeah, EVE Online is really the most expensive of all of those games.
Don't forget:
Warhammer Online - $49.99
LOTRO - $49.99 + $29.99 for Moria
World of Warcraft - $29.99 + $29.99 + $39.99
EVE - $0.00 + $0.00 + $0.00 + $0.00 + $0.00
And let's check those multi-month subscriptions to get the best deal:
Warhammer Online - $77.94/6 months ($12.99/mo)
LOTRO - $143.40/12 months ($11.95/mo)
World of Warcraft – $77.94/6 months ($12.99/mo)
EVE - $131.40/12 months ($10.95/mo)
So yes, EVE is really really expensive. But sure, at $299 for a "lifetime" LOTRO subscription, you only have to play it for 27 months to be cheaper than EVE… that's always something. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:33:00 -
[42]
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters. |
Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:37:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me. |
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:42:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something. |
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:49:00 -
[45]
There is a fatal flaw in this logic.
Even if all the other MMOs were 70% cheaper than EVE, it would be irrelevant. Make WoW, Warhammer and LOTR as cheap as you want. I'm still not going to play them (at least not more than maybe one month, until I'm bored by the same old things).
I mean, riding a bicycle to work is cheaper than driving a car. But if I have no interest in bicycling 120 miles every single day, then it's not relevant in the least.
If you judge your recreational activities and hobbies by what is cheapest, then why don't you do papier machet or something and really save some cash. |
flashfreaking
LFC
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:51:00 -
[46]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something.
Put her out of her misery already, it has been long enough... |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:01:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Akita T
Quote:
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
Subscriber numbers have KEPT INCREASING even in this economic recession we're witnessing...
A minor point - although there is a net influx of players, there are still a lot of people unsubscribing their accounts any given time, and of these, a significant fraction are probably doing so due to the increase in costs. UK players make up a disproportionately large share of the subscriber base, too, and it's becoming a lot more expensive paying in cash due to the fall of the pound against the euro.
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flashfreaking
LFC
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:03:00 -
[48]
Only got yourself to blame for that, if you guys adapted the Euro, you would all be mocking the americans with their silly cheap dollar |
Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:05:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Khemul Zula on 13/01/2009 19:06:17
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Akita T
Quote:
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
Subscriber numbers have KEPT INCREASING even in this economic recession we're witnessing...
A minor point - although there is a net influx of players, there are still a lot of people unsubscribing their accounts any given time, and of these, a significant fraction are probably doing so due to the increase in costs. UK players make up a disproportionately large share of the subscriber base, too, and it's becoming a lot more expensive paying in cash due to the fall of the pound against the euro.
A significant fraction are also leaving because they have been turned into zombies and can't keep focused long enough to play anymore. Their hunger for brains makes it not worth it anymore.
What? You can't prove it isn't true!  |
3rr0rc0d3
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:08:00 -
[50]
To be honest, I can't see any reason why anyone would trade in internet spaceships for trolls and wizards.
Seriously, we have enough trolls on this forum to fill a second MMO...  |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:10:00 -
[51]
The oil driven Cdn peso is in the toilet and EvE costs alot more now than it did. It's not CCP's fault but it isn't mine either. I don't want to stop training alts and I doubt CCP wants me to either but I'm not sure either of us has a choice in the matter. |
Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:10:00 -
[52]
As long as EVE is unique on the market, many people (me included) are willing to pay for it. But when an alternative will get on the market.. that's when CCP will feel the pain.. |
Aliana Valrena
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Tippia
So yes, EVE is really really expensive. But sure, at $299 for a "lifetime" LOTRO subscription, you only have to play it for 27 months to be cheaper than EVEà that's always something.
Or wait till it drops to $199 (usually happens 1-2 times a year so far) for a short time. While the game likely won't see a huge amount of growth it will likely be around long enough to make the Lifetime sub worth it. I wouldn't pay the $299 price tag though personally.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Ubitious
Minmatar
Valkyries of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.01.13 20:20:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
A minor point - although there is a net influx of players, there are still a lot of people unsubscribing their accounts any given time, and of these, a significant fraction are probably doing so due to the increase in costs. UK players make up a disproportionately large share of the subscriber base, too, and it's becoming a lot more expensive paying in cash due to the fall of the pound against the euro.
I'm glad to see a sensible reply. Since our pound seems to be crashing and dying at the moment the cost of Eve has gone up by about 50% recently. All those little costs add up, if i find myself short on cash then the ever expensive eve account will be first to go :(
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"Bring me a shrubbery!" |
ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2009.01.13 20:21:00 -
[55]
I notice everyone keeps making claims around the concurrent user peaks records of late as an indicator of eve's growth.... sorry but thats a flawed assumption. if everyone with an active eve account logged in this second it would break the PCU but would it mean that eve had gained a significant new number of subscribers... nop.
Infact the growth in active subscriptions (not sure if that includes non paid ones aswell though im fairly sure it does) increased from ~235'000 to ~245'000 from the period from apiril 2008 to jan 2009 so 10k new subscriptions over a 9 month period roughly 1110 avg subscriptions per month, thats a quite drastically reduced growth compared to what previous periods have been with a lil digging figures show in
2006-2007 the subscription base went from 80k to 155k so 75k gain over the year 6250 new subs per month
2007-2008 the subscription base went from 155k to 225k so 70k gain over the year 5833 new subs per month
2008-2009 the subscription base went from 225k to 245k so 20k gain over the year 1667 new subs per month
growth may not be inverted yet but its certainly been slowing over the past few years, the further back ya go the more inaccurate the figures are but it looks as if the peak growth period for eve was the 2006-2007 now im fairly sure marketing dept has been looking at these figures and that's what's prompted the boxed release, I also have a sneaking suspicion that ambulation and associated content will be a pay for optional expansion
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Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 20:40:00 -
[56]
Originally by: ToxicFire
I notice everyone keeps making claims around the concurrent user peaks records of late as an indicator of eve's growth.... sorry but thats a flawed assumption. if everyone with an active eve account logged in this second it would break the PCU but would it mean that eve had gained a significant new number of subscribers... nop.
Infact the growth in active subscriptions (not sure if that includes non paid ones aswell though im fairly sure it does) increased from ~235'000 to ~245'000 from the period from apiril 2008 to jan 2009 so 10k new subscriptions over a 9 month period roughly 1110 avg subscriptions per month, thats a quite drastically reduced growth compared to what previous periods have been with a lil digging figures show in
2006-2007 the subscription base went from 80k to 155k so 75k gain over the year 6250 new subs per month
2007-2008 the subscription base went from 155k to 225k so 70k gain over the year 5833 new subs per month
2008-2009 the subscription base went from 225k to 245k so 20k gain over the year 1667 new subs per month
growth may not be inverted yet but its certainly been slowing over the past few years, the further back ya go the more inaccurate the figures are but it looks as if the peak growth period for eve was the 2006-2007 now im fairly sure marketing dept has been looking at these figures and that's what's prompted the boxed release, I also have a sneaking suspicion that ambulation and associated content will be a pay for optional expansion
Think about the fact that a lot of those customers stayed, and also think about saturation.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:01:00 -
[57]
Using 6-month subscription I pay about ú10 a month per account so what is the problem exactly? You can't even get a pizza for ú10.
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Apoctasy
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:02:00 -
[58]
Pay.with.cc.to.pay.$14.95.per.month.
Solves all the problems ^^
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:05:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Apoctasy
Pay.with.cc.to.pay.$14.95.per.month.
Solves all the problems ^^
europeans need to pay 14.95 euro not dolars why that?
60D GTC - shattared link |
Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:06:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Using 6-month subscription I pay about ú10 a month per account so what is the problem exactly? You can't even get a pizza for ú10.
i can get large sized pizza for that, well... or 4 full meals near academic :)
60D GTC - shattared link |
Huyai Tsukurit
Caldari
Distillery
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:17:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Cedric Diggory
Quote:
CCP should start charging GTC's and CC in ú aswell as $ and Euro. Or lower the prices to even out the effect of the economic crisis.
**** no, we should jump on the euro whilst it's 1:1!
Increasingly my sentiments. I really hope it doesn't drop the other way.
On topic though, I do have to keep reminding myself that is not 1:1.5 anymore. But hell, thats just a few more tesco value items per month.
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
True Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:52:00 -
[62]
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Clearly EVE's logins have never been lower.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:57:00 -
[63]
Originally by: lamarar
When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
you know, when you resort to hyperbolic statements like this, you pretty much lose all credibility. 3 PCU's in a month (5 weeks?) broken and we have to wonder why "so many" people are leaving EVE?
if you mean you and your 2 alts, that doesn't count as "so many" people.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:16:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Using 6-month subscription I pay about ú10 a month per account so what is the problem exactly? You can't even get a pizza for ú10.
I can get two.
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wickedsolatic
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:29:00 -
[65]
For all the bashing of the LOTRO lifetime subscription in this thread, all of y'all know that you'd love a lifetime sub option for EVE if there was no GTC for ISK system.
BTW lamarar - can I have your stuff? |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:44:00 -
[66]
Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
Wait... you're dumping 597USD on 3 LOTRO lifetime subs?
Considering that the average user plays for 9 months, paying what equals 13 months for a lifetime sub isn't actually value for money for most people  |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:59:00 -
[67]
Akita T, agreements need not have a visible representation to be made.
Ever heard of the concept of 'unspoken agreements'?
I have many times now posted on a GTC sell order thread, only to have the seller say they assigned the GTCs and that all the transactions (to myself and the other players on the thread) were completed; and yet, I magically never lost isk and never gained game time from the transaction, and the seller would promptly 'complete' their thread. Why might that be?
It smells like an attempt to make it look like people are perfectly willing to buy GTCs at priecs as high as 600mil, and that they are doing so in large volumes; meanwhile it's just the same people desperately trying to find an offer that's legit, whether they have to pay through the nose or not.
Back to lamarar;
So can I have one of your characters? Pleeeeeeeease? |
Kerdrak
3B Legio IX
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:22:00 -
[68]
Originally by: lamarar
Tony Blair: Why don't we ask our economists if its good practice to compete against other countries by having uncompetitive currency. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people joining EURO?"
Fixed for you
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Enthral
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:29:00 -
[69]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something.
ROFLMAO!
-Grid
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Ron Bacardi
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:39:00 -
[70]
Good, just go, we don't care. |
Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:52:00 -
[71]
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
Its your fault for paying for three subs to the same ****ing game. Why not drop two of your useless cashcow alts, and instead, hire other players, Get your buddies to play, or get minions. |
Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 00:05:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2009 00:10:33
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2009 00:10:09
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something.
lol
On topic :
In France, 2 packets of tobacco = 15Ç = 1 month of Eve.
There was this guy who said one month = 15% of his month income... Mmo's aren't for everyone. (it's sad) |
Darwin Duck
A Quest Millitia
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Posted - 2009.01.14 00:38:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Darwin Duck on 14/01/2009 00:39:12
Same price as all the other MMO's. And in my opinion EVE is the only real MMO. In other MMO's you can't fight for terretories. In other MMO's there are no concequences for your actions. No other MMO has a real player driven economy.
Like the devs say. It's not a game, it's a simulated world, they only supply us with the rules and the tools to operate it.
Like it should be. Wish there were any landbased MMO's with CCP's mentallity behind it! |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:32:00 -
[74]
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
Lawlz at "lifetime sub", go ask the players of Hellgate London about that one.
Have can I'z yer stuffz?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:42:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
There was this guy who said one month = 15% of his month income... Mmo's aren't for everyone. (it's sad)
I'm a college student with a less than part time job, so yea, it is a big expense, relative to what I make. although I hardly have any other expenses. probably bit less than gas, and about 1/2 to 1/3 of food.
damn, wish I had a real job. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:49:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 14/01/2009 03:49:25
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
There was this guy who said one month = 15% of his month income... Mmo's aren't for everyone. (it's sad)
If $15 is 15% of your income then you're managing to subsist on $1,200 a year. The guy must be living with someone who provides funding for all his basic services, because you can't live on that amount in the US on your own and not be in a tent city.
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Shirley Estyre
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Posted - 2009.01.14 04:28:00 -
[77]
be glad you don't live in zimbabwe and pay for your subscription with their currency
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2009.01.14 05:54:00 -
[78]
I use a US PayPal account to pay in USD. Seems to always be the lowest cost in terms of what currency is has less value compared to the others. At paying 6 months at a time, compared to WoW or LotRO, EVE is virtually free. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 06:06:00 -
[79]
EVE is the cheapest MMO i know of. Paid $0.00 for a year, that's even cheaper than $50 for Guild Wars for 4 years. |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 06:11:00 -
[80]
Originally by: wickedsolatic
For all the bashing of the LOTRO lifetime subscription in this thread, all of y'all know that you'd love a lifetime sub option for EVE if there was no GTC for ISK system.
I'm not sure anyone is knocking the principle, just the fact that someone is trying to compare a crappy, derivative, cookie-cutter licensed-property-cash-in P.o.S. game with EVE.
sure, LoTRO offers a "lifetime sub" to a game that it would be hard for anyone with more than a few brain cells to enjoy for more than a few weeks/months and sure, if EVE offered a lifetime sub i'm sure more than a few of us would take it, but trying to compare EVE and LoTRO is just a mistake. |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 06:14:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 14/01/2009 03:49:25
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
There was this guy who said one month = 15% of his month income... Mmo's aren't for everyone. (it's sad)
If $15 is 15% of your income then you're managing to subsist on $1,200 a year. The guy must be living with someone who provides funding for all his basic services, because you can't live on that amount in the US on your own and not be in a tent city.
if it's the thread i'm thinking of, he didn't say where he was from (he said "anus of the world" when asked) but he did say that EVE was approximately 12% of the "average monthly income" in his home country. |
Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 06:33:00 -
[82]
The only piont of interest in OP is the 'Lifetime membership' options.
Yes please!
Umbra Is recruiting Amarr Missioners! |
Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2009.01.14 07:20:00 -
[83]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something.
lol
www.garia.net |
Sholen Skara
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 07:25:00 -
[84]
Lamarar,
Your stuffz, I can has?
Just ditch 2 of your useless alts, and you'll have a bit more cash on your hands methinks...
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Capt Sly
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Posted - 2009.01.14 07:54:00 -
[85]
I really don't want want your stuff...it'd prollly crap.
Thanks for posting though, on your way out! |
Solar Blade
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Posted - 2009.01.14 07:55:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Solar Blade on 14/01/2009 07:55:51
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
o come on, if you can't pay with cash, pay with ISK.
I know someone who (in empire) can easily earn 800 million a week with minimal effort :P
not gonna tell you how though, thats for you to figure out. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.14 07:58:00 -
[87]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something.
Polar bears and Bj÷rk and you haven't had the common decency to put them in the same place 
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
RayBanJockey
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:01:00 -
[88]
There is nothing that saves you money better than MMO's, no matter the cost. I remember when I was unemployed for two years straight with a really low insurance payout - think I could have had as much fun without eve and wow? Having 3 accounts is pushing it a bit but eve itself isn't overpriced at all if you consider the cost per minute of other RL stuff like going to the movies and/or taking girls out ^^
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:05:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 14/01/2009 03:49:25
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
There was this guy who said one month = 15% of his month income... Mmo's aren't for everyone. (it's sad)
If $15 is 15% of your income then you're managing to subsist on $1,200 a year. The guy must be living with someone who provides funding for all his basic services, because you can't live on that amount in the US on your own and not be in a tent city.
US-centric.
Where did I say he lives in the US. He could live in a poor country, I don't know he didn't want to tell. And if he lives in EU (like Greece or East Europe), 15% = 15Ç, or $20.
Fetchez la vache !
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Sitana
Gallente
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:14:00 -
[90]
 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Froztwolf
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:29:00 -
[91]
I hear Tabula Rasa lifetime membership is a pretty good deal as well.
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
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Never underestimate the power of denial! |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:33:00 -
[92]
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
The pricing difference is a common problem with not only games but books as well. Many of their prices were set at the time of printing/publication when the American Dollar was much stronger than it is today.
At the same time you're not really paying more than you paid 4 years ago, it just seems that way when you compare it to the USD.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:39:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Joe on 14/01/2009 08:40:08
edit=quoting fail
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
hi, can i have a Linky please.
I'm actually pretty dirt poor in rl, so i need conformation of this asap, March 10 isnt that long for me to steal a new machine.
Umbra Is recruiting Amarr Missioners! |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:41:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Joe
Edited by: Joe on 14/01/2009 08:40:08
edit=quoting fail
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
hi, can i have a Linky please.
I'm actually pretty dirt poor in rl, so i need conformation of this asap, March 10 isnt that long for me to steal a new machine.
Linkage
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:42:00 -
[95]
Originally by: RayBanJockey
There is nothing that saves you money better than MMO's, no matter the cost. I remember when I was unemployed for two years straight with a really low insurance payout - think I could have had as much fun without eve and wow? Having 3 accounts is pushing it a bit but eve itself isn't overpriced at all if you consider the cost per minute of other RL stuff like going to the movies and/or taking girls out ^^
My friends spent easily 3 eve subs worth of money a month just on partying with their mates on weekends during highschool. Some of my other friends now spend easily 10 eve subs worth of money a month on partying, just to get started.
If I spend R150 (~3/4 of an eve sub) on alcohol in a month, that's a HELL of a lot for me. I also don't have to worry about 'gas' (petrol) since I don't go anywhere I can't go on foot/cycle to :D
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Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
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Navtiqes
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:50:00 -
[96]
Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
The Shire called. They want their weed back. |
Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 08:54:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Joe
Edited by: Joe on 14/01/2009 08:40:08
edit=quoting fail
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
The abandoning of older machine support and classic system on March 10th will probably cost them more subscriptions than the rate.
hi, can i have a Linky please.
I'm actually pretty dirt poor in rl, so i need conformation of this asap, March 10 isnt that long for me to steal a new machine.
Linkage
Great, becuase im part of the '3-5%' of the population whos home machine isnt worth more than my car, i get screwed. thanx for pionting this out to me D.sque
I bet the real numbers are something more alng the lines of 80% of people use classic becuase it doesnt cuase their 2 clients to crash.
Anyway, LazyFail on the part of the CCP art team.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:38:00 -
[98]
Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 09:42:44
i'm guessing you're not a software developer. maintaining 2 branches of the same app is a MASSIVE hassle. it's not just an exercise in copy/paste.
my pc cost ú300 and runs premium fine. your car must be ****ing rubbish. a SM3 card costs about ú30-ú40 these days, and will likely be obsolete by winter 2009.
also, read the devblog. they are introducing premium lite for people who maintain that their 486DX2 should be able to run all new software.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:43:00 -
[99]
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 09:39:30
my pc cost ú300 and runs premium fine. your car must be ****ing rubbish.
also, read the devblog. they are introducing premium lite for people who maintain that their 486DX2 should be able to run all new software.
My cars 19 years old :). I think my puter might be worth more than it.
I can't remember what video card I have though :(, so I'll be checking it when I get home in about 4 hours. I know I can't use the premium graphics because it doesn't support shader 3, I just hope it supports shader 2 as I am not quite ready to replace it. (Though it is in the plans for this year to replace the computer but probably not before summer).
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Joran Orduvium
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:43:00 -
[100]
been a brit that lives in the gulf money is no object been the only man from britain that is working in the whole world and my attempt at sarcasm is
get a f***ing job i run 2 accounts my misses runs 2 accounts and were even training a character for my 1 year old son(for when hes a grown up) so that makes 5.eve will never die youn man
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:06:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Hyveres on 14/01/2009 10:06:10
Heck for some countries like mine I can fund a years subscription of eve for the cost of 2 bottles of tequila.
And note some european countries outside the EU pays in dollars , not euro :)
"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot."
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:19:00 -
[102]
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
I have to say this, but why not just go down to 1 account? You can still play the game just as well, you just won't be able to exploit the massive advantages multiple accounts gives you, like neutral scouts and spies. Or maybe playing without an advantage scares you?
If the economic crisis means a reduction in neutral scouts and spies, then it won't be all bad.
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Lord Bleu
Darkstorm Command
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:22:00 -
[103]
My mobile phone bill cost more than ú30 per month (which is what eve costs me) and I get NO enjoyment from my mobile phone!
If I go out on the pi55, I spend alot more than ú30. ú30 for a months of great entertainment is a good deal IMO.
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:40:00 -
[104]
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 09:42:44
i'm guessing you're not a software developer. maintaining 2 branches of the same app is a MASSIVE hassle. it's not just an exercise in copy/paste.
my pc cost ú300 and runs premium fine. your car must be ****ing rubbish. a SM3 card costs about ú30-ú40 these days, and will likely be obsolete by winter 2009.
also, read the devblog. they are introducing premium lite for people who maintain that their 486DX2 should be able to run all new software.
CCP have a specific devision purely for art. I doubt they spend all day editing alliance logos and have no time left over for making two models of everything.
a Sm3 gfz card might cost 30$, but it would also require me to buy a new motherboard.... and a new cpu.. and new ram..I'd be upgrading everything to play one game, the software i use for work runs perfectly fine on the system i have now. You basicly covered why i havent upgraded in a while tho..
Originally by: ry ry
will likely be obsolete by winter 2009.
Thats right, i dont keep up with the jones's, I dont compare Epeen length at LAN's, and i certainly have no interest in keeping up with the 'cutting edge of technology' or whatever martketting directors are calling it these days.
I'm quite happy to be paying the highest prices possible for any MMO, becuase its the best one out there, what i dont like is a system thats working perfectly fine, being trashed becuase not enough of the Eve population is using the 'premium version' and runningtheir 2 accounts in classic. I beleive the majority of players have 2 accounts by now becuase of the previous dozen 'power of two' promotions, and running 2 'premium' clients is like running 2 slideshows with a tendancy to crash no matter how much youve spent on your machine.
Finally dont tell me 'read the blog', if it wear clear that this was happing i wouldnt have to have requested a linky from another player in a forum thread.... why did i have todo that? Becuase the Dev blog linky in the news is written with the same pompus I.T attitude that you come across with, 'oh look it runs on my Amiga' no, amigas dont dont grab my interest, havent for about 20 years, so why would I read a dev blog about them (or 486DX2 for that matter smartass), the first paragraph looks like another self promotion of the upcomming patch, and combined with the topic title creates no interest at all.
The change should be linkied in the general discussions forum. popping it in the news and giving it a cute offtopic title isnt good enough.
Anyway, off to research parts for my new comp, I'm sure an I.T superstar like yourself could have linkied a few cheap components that would have kept thousands of effected players happy in your post, but i realise the general attitude of I.T nerds usually prevents this and its alot easier to just act like a jackass instead. |
Lui Kai
Logistics Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:46:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Joe
Great, becuase im part of the '3-5%' of the population whos home machine isnt worth more than my car, i get screwed. thanx for pionting this out to me D.sque
I bet the real numbers are something more alng the lines of 80% of people use classic becuase it doesnt cuase their 2 clients to crash.
Anyway, LazyFail on the part of the CCP art team.
1. SD2 compatable cards are going for around US$30-50. If your car is worth less than that, I'd like the name of the dealership.
2. Most people find premium to be more stable than classic, with higher framerates. I, myself, have noticed this with even 3 accounts open - though I'm not tech enough to understand why it is.
3. Not maintaining antiquated and out of date software isn't lazy, it's good business. No one's claiming MS is being lazy because they no longer release patches for Windows 3.11 (With Networking!) This is the same.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:46:00 -
[106]
Also i'd like to point out that i pay 18e/month to post on a god damn internet forum!...which says more about my zealot like fanatism to the game in any shape or form, as i must be connected to it even if not playing it...then about the current price of the "server allowance" as i like to call it.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Rondo Gunn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:53:00 -
[107]
I'm cool with it and I don't think I ever have more than 500 bucks in the bank ever. Sorry it doesn't fit in with your allowance?
shin ku myo u
Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness. |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:55:00 -
[108]
Edited by: ry ry on 14/01/2009 10:56:04
Originally by: Joe
Thats right, i dont keep up with the jones's, I dont compare Epeen length at LAN's, and i certainly have no interest in keeping up with the 'cutting edge of technology' or whatever martketting directors are calling it these days.
I'm quite happy to be paying the highest prices possible for any MMO, becuase its the best one out there, what i dont like is a system thats working perfectly fine, being trashed becuase not enough of the Eve population is using the 'premium version' and runningtheir 2 accounts in classic. I beleive the majority of players have 2 accounts by now becuase of the previous dozen 'power of two' promotions, and running 2 'premium' clients is like running 2 slideshows with a tendancy to crash no matter how much youve spent on your machine.
Finally dont tell me 'read the blog', if it wear clear that this was happing i wouldnt have to have requested a linky from another player in a forum thread.... why did i have todo that? Becuase the Dev blog linky in the news is written with the same pompus I.T attitude that you come across with, 'oh look it runs on my Amiga' no, amigas dont dont grab my interest, havent for about 20 years, so why would I read a dev blog about them (or 486DX2 for that matter smartass), the first paragraph looks like another self promotion of the upcomming patch, and combined with the topic title creates no interest at all.
The change should be linkied in the general discussions forum. popping it in the news and giving it a cute offtopic title isnt good enough.
Anyway, off to research parts for my new comp, I'm sure an I.T superstar like yourself could have linkied a few cheap components that would have kept thousands of effected players happy in your post, but i realise the general attitude of I.T nerds usually prevents this and its alot easier to just act like a jackass instead.
oh **** off.
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:59:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Hoshi on 14/01/2009 11:00:29
Edited by: Hoshi on 14/01/2009 10:59:10
Originally by: Joe
a Sm3 gfz card might cost 30$, but it would also require me to buy a new motherboard.... and a new cpu.. and new ram..I'd be upgrading everything to play one game, the software i use for work runs perfectly fine on the system i have now. You basicly covered why i havent upgraded in a while tho..
Here is a SM3 capable card for 40$ (can probably be found cheaper, just first I found) that won't force you to upgrade the rest of your computer. Unless you don't even have agp, but if that's the case then your computer was outdated long before EVE was even released. AGP became standard around 10 years ago.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130233
If you are on a laptop it's more difficult. Integrated graphis laptop users are mostly screwed.
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DjLowballer
Amarr
FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:05:00 -
[110]
Just a Protip to save money:
Step 1: Buy US Visa Prepaid card
Step 2: Use the address of a friend
Step 3: Create US EvE acct
Step 4: Transfer Char to account
Step 5: Use US prepaid Visa to pay for sub
Step 6: Win?
Or just buy GTC in dollars too.
Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
Miyeko Deux
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:20:00 -
[111]
Ok read the Dev Blog and all I have to say about you whiners with 'older machines' is pfffft. The specs they listed up there cover machines that you can pick up on NewEgg for 600$, not, as one person above stated 'more than the cost of my car'.
Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, EQ2, AoC, DAoC, Warhammer, hell even the upcoming Diablo II, all have higher computing needs. If this makes you choke on your cheerios, choke away, geez gosh golly.
Updating and upgrading your computer is something most people do every 3-4 years, not something thats unheard of. The needs for Eve are still less stringent than virtually everything out there.
The arguement that it will cause more people to leave is unfounded. If you can afford 15$ a month to play , you can afford to budget 600$ to buy a new comp if yours is so far behind the curve. Its ALL entertainment money your spending, and if you can afford to be entertained (by what is arguably the cheapest monthly form ever) you should be able to upgrade every once in a while. |
Par'Gellen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:48:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Sitana
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
That was freakin hilarious! |
Sean Faust
Gallente
Point of No Return
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:08:00 -
[113]
The price of an EVE account is the same price as an account with any other MMO. The only thing that makes it seem more expensive is the fact that if you want to have multiple characters, you have to have multiple accounts. I don't know what CCP's reasoning behind this is, but I can think of two logical reasons myself:
1. If you could skill up multiple characters on one account, people would be skilling up characters just to sell left and right.
2. If people could have a pvp character and a high-end mining/industry character on the same account, the games economy would fall through the floor because there would be 10 times as many industrial characters as there are now.
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Oftherocks
Caldari
Of The Rocks Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:19:00 -
[114]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Luckily nobody is forced to play.
Laters.
I disagree. Everytime I try to quit, a rather strange looking Icelandic person starts following me around and threatening me.
I would like to apologise for Bj÷rk's behaviour...to be honest we all thought she was going on tour or something.
Hehehehe, you said Bjork, that is hilarious
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
No, i play hello kitty online and just paid for 5 years to come here and make comments about stuff i know nothing about and Wranglers pants.
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David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:41:00 -
[115]
ccp might need to drop its price for a few months so we can all save up to buy new pixel shader 3.0 compliant graphics cards and replace our old laptops with new ones :P
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Cornelius Poindexter
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:49:00 -
[116]
The economy argument by the OP holds no water. MMO's are much, much cheaper than other RL activities. Compare such activities as bowling, going to the bar, going out for dinner and etc., you will find that time spent playing an MMO will be much less expensive.
Last night I mined for 3 hours instead of heading up the street to have a couple of brews at the bar. I will easily spend $20.00 - $30.00 on drinks and food for myself. Here is what I paid for EVE last night:
Since I have two accounts, and there are roughly 730 hours per month, I paid $0.12/hour to mine last night( 730hours/$30.00subscription). That is dirt cheap entertainment. |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:57:00 -
[117]
I'm going to defend LotRO at this point. It does not deserve to be called a game that only people with nine braincells play. It's not that bad, actually.
Anyway, I'm stunned that nobody has actually made the post yet. It's been alluded to, but not done... |
Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.15 07:25:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Zex Maxwell on 15/01/2009 07:26:57
The game is worth what you pay for. as long as you keep your skills training. I have 3 accounts, all of them are paid by the year. so far eve is the best MMO i ever played. If i can have a life, keep money moving (Evebank plug) and train my toons skills all at the same time. it is WORTH the 137ish US dollars!
PS: Can i have your stuff? Its a good way for me to make money during my off time hours.
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Opertone
Caldari
Gladiators of Rage
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:28:00 -
[119]
this thread is lame...
a video card doesn't have to be a 500 USD model... if you like to tinker with hardware - you can upgrade your computer for less than 400 entirely. It will be out of date, but better what you may have now.
No... eve is cheap, cheaper than internet subscription, cheaper than electricity or public transport. It is a 30 dollar a month fun. Maybe you'd dine in Mc Donald's a few times for that.
Save on your taxi trip. Don't do joints. Finally quit smoking. I agree that 3 accounts are getting expensive. But the game is so much better without infinite crowd of alts. |
Jericho Alar
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:35:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Lui Kai
Originally by: Joe
Great, becuase im part of the '3-5%' of the population whos home machine isnt worth more than my car, i get screwed. thanx for pionting this out to me D.sque
I bet the real numbers are something more alng the lines of 80% of people use classic becuase it doesnt cuase their 2 clients to crash.
Anyway, LazyFail on the part of the CCP art team.
1. SD2 compatable cards are going for around US$30-50. If your car is worth less than that, I'd like the name of the dealership.
2. Most people find premium to be more stable than classic, with higher framerates. I, myself, have noticed this with even 3 accounts open - though I'm not tech enough to understand why it is.
3. Not maintaining antiquated and out of date software isn't lazy, it's good business. No one's claiming MS is being lazy because they no longer release patches for Windows 3.11 (With Networking!) This is the same.
I'd take a shot at 2. being because of better heap management and resource allocation - and that the premium client probably wastes fewer cpu cycles on software paths for image drawing (since it uses 'modern' graphics routines that are supported by cards from the last 5 years or so; rather than older routines that newer cards no longer support).
to Joe: a Shader2 card is anything produced in the last 6 years, so unless your machine is at least 5 years old you probably already have support. They're not asking you to buy the latest ATI or nVidia card - just something produced within the 21st century. |
Haral Reimo
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Posted - 2009.01.15 17:03:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
Originally by: Apoctasy
Pay.with.cc.to.pay.$14.95.per.month.
Solves all the problems ^^
europeans need to pay 14.95 euro not dolars why that?
Actually, I got my recurring sub set up before they started charging in Ç, so I'm only paying $38.85 every 3 months ($12.95 a month). However, if I want to change my card or subscription period, it'll force me into paying in euros.
Given I live in Britain, either one involves a currency conversion. Why shouldn't I be able to choose? Paying in $ has been consistently cheaper (although presently not by much), because not only is the exchange rate better, my credit card takes a smaller commission on the change!
When my current card expires (September this year) I'll be petitioning to stay paying in $ on the new card. |
Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente
Shadow Front
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:18:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Rufus MacMaranth on 15/01/2009 18:17:52
Originally by: Miyeko Deux
Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, EQ2, AoC, DAoC, Warhammer, hell even the upcoming Diablo II, all have higher computing needs. If this makes you choke on your cheerios, choke away, geez gosh golly.
You might wish to check you are comparing apples with apples there. Both EQ2 and Vanguard use SM2, NOT SM3. I have run both of them on older PCs than this.
Most folks are complaining about the potential move to SM3 in the fall release which the devs wished people to comment on.
And, as been pointed out to those not too ignorant to listen, many people play EVE on a laptop. Upgrading the video card is often not possible. |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:03:00 -
[123]
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 15/01/2009 19:04:53
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
LOL, EVE Online too expensive, now THAT IS FUNNY :p
1st of all, the monthly sub is just the same as any other premium mmorpg.
On top of that you only pay 5Ç to buy the game ( 19,95Ç to create an account and pay for your 1st 30 days ) instead of the average 49,95Ç for a box.
Add to that, that you do not have to pay for expansions like Mines of Moria for 39,95Ç and EVE Online is alot cheaper.
And a lifetime subscription just plain sucks, cause it means they got your money 1st, and now they can let you rot, not that they will, but they dont have to work for your money anymore.
Add to that the high system requirements of LOTRO and other games, which means you need alot more expensive hardware then you would need for EVE, even if it goes SM 3.0 ( which they won't if CCP has half a brain left ).
How can you with a straight face come here and tell us that EVE Online is more expensive then other mmorpg's? You have no clue or just trolling.
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Nifan
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:14:00 -
[124]
this post is very accuarate of what eve is.
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DJTheBaron
Caldari
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:32:00 -
[125]
Edited by: DJTheBaron on 15/01/2009 19:31:51
I wouldnt say eve is over priced, given the time i spend in eve compared to the money i spend on a dvd for 2hrs entertainment.
I would say the pound is taking a nose dive to the dollar and the euro, but thats 1 country in a world of subscribers.
Though I personally have moved from 6 accounts to 5 this week and plan to start spending isk on plex instead of paying cash where possible. But thats just because im trying to save money this year and have a weekends drinking in iceland lined up next month.
"The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Your Own, So Dont Bother Arguing"
DJTheBaron: Diplomacy 4TW |
Aria Valerii
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:01:00 -
[126]
Perhaps you should get a job, its affordable then.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:29:00 -
[127]
Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 16/01/2009 01:29:52
Originally by: "Joe"
and running 2 'premium' clients is like running 2 slideshows with a tendancy to crash no matter how much youve spent on your machine.
1. I have in my system what is considered among the entry level of ShaderModel 3.0 cards, a 6600GT 128mb
2. I run, at 1280x960, TWO premium clients on two separate monitors
3. They run at an acceptable framerate, considering I originally started playing EVE on a GeForce2 MX400 64mb years ago
Bleeding edge?
Honestly, it's like you're a car owner crying because the manufacturer has said they're no longer going to make the parts your car needs to run; but it gets you to work and back just fine! Why should you need to replace your car just because they don't want to waste resources on keeping YOUR car running!?
Originally by: "Joe"
CCP have a specific devision purely for art. I doubt they spend all day editing alliance logos and have no time left over for making two models of everything.
I hate to break it to you, but shaders require programming. On top of this, you need individual code for every individual iteration of a shader model (note, model here does NOT imply the actual mesh, or model you see the textures applied to) and graphics subsystems the shader is being used in.
It's not simply a case of making two models of everything; that's simple, they can reduce the poly count of the high detail models and make lower detail versions instead. They can also reduce the resolution of the normal maps in use, or the MIPMAP filtering of said texture, to reduce the strain on the system it's being used on.
You know what's funny?
A lot of the models and textures in use in the premium client are actually being used in the classic client right now.
The only difference between the premium version and the classic version is that the classic version has no true specularity or normal mapping; I'm not sure they even have BUMP mapping.
Shader model 1.0 is archaic; creating models and textures that run fine on it with the graphics we see in the classic client versions of current ships is taxing on the developers, as they have to make sure that it falls within a minimum performance profile, so as not to upset the few dinosaurs that are unwilling to upgrade.
Shader model 2.0 is also old and support for it is dropping - I don't know how the code looks, but I wouldn't be surprised if learning Shader Model 2.0 and Shader Model 3.0 involve learning almost completely different languages; ie: they may simply not have the human resources to deal with its development anymore.
I think CCP is basically the last company to support a game on the scale of EVE with Shader Model 1.0, let alone 2.0. You should be grateful they didn't simply drop the classic client when they launched Trinity.
Originally by: "Joe"
The change should be linkied in the general discussions forum. popping it in the news and giving it a cute offtopic title isnt good enough.
Fact: less people browse the General Discussion forum and take note of the stickies than people who actually view and read news articles posted for the MMO they are playing.
Originally by: "Joe"
Anyway, off to research parts for my new comp, I'm sure an I.T superstar like yourself could have linkied a few cheap components that would have kept thousands of effected players happy in your post, but i realise the general attitude of I.T nerds usually prevents this and its alot easier to just act like a jackass instead.
You see, this is why we nerds don't like people like you. Because you will throw such pathetic insults out without taking note of things like this.
It's simply a thread regarding SM2.0 vs SM3.0, in your beloved General Discussions forum, that you did not grace with your omnipotent presence. |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:39:00 -
[128]
We I.T. nerds are generally far more neutral than people like yourself; your head is just so far up your own butt you don't seem to realise this and take our attitude of "*facepalm* have you read ANYTHING that ANYONE has been saying?" as a slap in the face for your literally not having read anything anyone was saying, except the posts you thought you could target with your own brand of jack-assery.
Originally by: "Miyeko Deux"
Ok read the Dev Blog and all I have to say about you whiners with 'older machines' is pfffft. The specs they listed up there cover machines that you can pick up on NewEgg for 600$, not, as one person above stated 'more than the cost of my car'.
You can get an entire new system with keyboard, mouse and a 19" widescreen LCD, that could run two premium clients just fine, from about $400 total *not including windows*. |
Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:05:00 -
[129]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
Originally by: "Joe"
Anyway, off to research parts for my new comp, I'm sure an I.T superstar like yourself could have linkied a few cheap components that would have kept thousands of effected players happy in your post, but i realise the general attitude of I.T nerds usually prevents this and its alot easier to just act like a jackass instead.
You see, this is why we nerds don't like people like you. Because you will throw such pathetic insults out without taking note of things like this.
It's simply a thread regarding SM2.0 vs SM3.0, in your beloved General Discussions forum, that you did not grace with your omnipotent presence.
Time of my post: 10:40:00
Time of SM Post: 17:35:00
Fail.
Anyway, I have found that topic quite helpfull along with the 'when is it time to upgrade your machine' thread (which was also posted after my comments on Unhelpfull pompus Nerds), and im allready looking into the cards they recommend for older machines. Atleast somepeople have been helpfull
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Bo'Tox
Amarr
Arkor Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:08:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: lamarar
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
HAHAHAHA.
This,.
Youre "Lifetime membership" will last about 11 months.......
Just look to AOC and other "Wonderful MMO's" for justification to my argument....
(You KNOW I'm right, dont you! )
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Fyrewyre
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:08:00 -
[131]
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"Never let anyone stop you having fun"
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PiratesRcowards
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:26:00 -
[132]
Originally by: lamarar
I've been playing eve for 4 year but since the timecards price fixing and crap economy I've went from paying ú20 for 3 months to ú35 (I pay ú46 for 6 months on wow), therefore running 3 accounts is no longer justifiable. Eve is by far the most expensive MMO I know of.
Good bye Eve hello LOTRO life time membership, now theres value for money!
CCP: Why don't you ask your economist if its good practice to compete against other MMO's by having uncompetitive prices. When you get the correct answer file this under the question "Why are so many people leaving eve?"
And before anyone says says CCP arent responsible for the current economy, they arent but the Icelandic banking system didnt help now did it - lol
Maybe that's because you're running THREE accounts!
How much money would it have taken to run 3 WOW accounts for 4 years?
monthly fee *3 (with no ability to use in-game money to pay your subscription fees) PLUS 3 expansions in that timeframe for EACH account.
EVE is not expensive at all, it's one of the cheapest IMO. If you've been playing for 4 years, you should be able to play for free (at least one account should be free). I've only been playing EVE a couple months and I make enough ISK to have my account be essentially free. After 4 years, you still can't spend an extra 300M isk per month on a time card? |
Fyrewyre
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:27:00 -
[133]
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.16 03:21:00 -
[134]
Whoops... sorry 'bout that. Guess I got my dates the wrong way around *facepalm*.
But still, I'm pretty sure there were many, many recommendations for cards for AGP systems prior to your claiming that us I.T. Nerds aren't helpful etc.
Admittedly though, some of us do often get a bit annoyed when people start complaining about trivial matters that they simply have not taken the time to look into. :P |
Sedious Bloke
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Posted - 2009.01.16 03:28:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Sedious Bloke on 16/01/2009 03:31:40
Well on the bright side if they keep printing money and throwing it out on the streets like confetti at a parade once the global currency system implodes you all will have bigger things to worry about than cutting back to just two accounts on an mmo ;)
Also My pc is in the running for worst pos of all time awards and it runs premium smooth as a placid lake..mebe it's time to upgrade from that 486?
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Ivana Drake
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Posted - 2009.01.16 03:46:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Gamer4liff
You're right, I'm sick of paying $0.00 a month by playing with GTCs, CCP should pay me, thanks for the tip!
Some of us have lives
Back when 90 day GTCs were still being sold, I could actually afford 2 accounts. Now i'm paying almost the same price just for one and I don't how long for... |
Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.16 07:26:00 -
[137]
enjoy paying for your expansions and every other thing they can possibly charge you for.
also if you havn't already given it away or trashed it or donated it to some poor noob can i have your stuff. |
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