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Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2009.01.29 21:09:00 - [361] Originally by: Invisitron This is a major change in EvE as I see it. [snip] So much agree. If that change were to improve speed and shift load balance from CPU to GPU, it wouldn't be that much of a change. But Premium works better only on the top-line systems, on somewhat middle-to-low it's plain sucks, 10 FPS instead of 25-30 in classic and no way to improve it by any settings. On the contrary, Classic has much of a tune to tweak it for your needs, with wide results from 15 to 40 FPS on the same system and in the same scene.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.29 23:10:00 - [362] Originally by: Elysarian Notice the word "considering" in there? That means it isn't set in stone - in light of this thread (I assume at least one dev is following it) I'm willing to bet they won't force SM 3.0 on everyone. "Considering" in CCP language means "Already planified". There was too much precedents where CCP asked for feedback, advices or also "considering" some modifications, but in all cases they just make their changes as they wished in the very first place... You trust CCP, I don't anymore.
Eleethal	Posted - 2009.01.30 20:18:00 - [363] I am all for Shadermodel 2, but please please please do not make the minimum Shadermodel 3, that would ruin my chance to play on either of my 3 computers. My best GFX card is a GeForce FX 5600. I beta tested EVE and I still have another account that is >5 years old. I LOVE EVE.
Tink3r Tr0n	Posted - 2009.01.30 20:46:00 - [364] I have a question for you guys. Right now I run eve on a crappy system. 3700+ AMD Athlon (2.4 gig single core) 2 gigs of ram, NVIDIA 6800GT 256mb AGP SM3, Windows XP I can run Premium Client on Normal/Medium with no stutter unless i'm in jita with 1000+ other pilots. Once this Xpac hits and Ambulation will I need to upgrade to run it on anything other then low? I know they still support SM2/3 but my PC is Six years old. Kinda worried that Eve will look and run like laggy ****.
Admiral Kassiea	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:10:00 - [365] Edited by: Admiral Kassiea on 30/01/2009 21:12:21 To Avon, If you cannot afford, or do not want to buy a computer that is going to be capable of playing EVE after March, then just quit. Im sick of your constant whinning in every single god dam thread, do you honestly think we care about you, like were all going to go, OMG AVON CANT PLAY ANYMORE, CANCEL THE UPGRADE CCP! Expecting CCP to send you a new computer that is capable of running EVE is funny or replying to everyone who talks to you saying, well send me one is just lame, if i was CCP my reply to you would be, get a better job. Trust me, by now CCP know that your not a happy customer, they have taken that into account and decided to contiune with the upgrade. Nobody cares if you cant play anymore, and at the end of the day if your not prepared to upgrade your computer for a small amount of cash to contiune playing EVE, well then you obviously dont enjoy EVE that much. And if that is the case your not going to really be bothered about quitting, i know having to upgrade every few years suck, but thats the gaming industry, and im guessing the only game you play is EVE, otherwise you would know this. This is no diffrent to any other game in the world, Red Alert Two requires a more powerful PC then Red Alert, it happens and in a way ditching the classic graphics and upgrading to EVE Premium Lite is EVE Two, and EVE has been out for comming upto six years now, there are several other space MMO's in development, and EVE has gotta contiune competing graphics wise. Yes i relise that EVE is an MMO, and no other MMO's are doing this, but thats because they cant be bothered and are lazy, or its simply too much work, if you take WoW for example, there are SO many assets in that game that to upgrade them all would take years even with a big team, and that will cost alot of money. If you never ever want this to happen buy a console, then you can feel happy in the knowledge that any game ever released for that console will be supported.
Johan Civire Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:03:00 - [366] Edited by: Johan Civire on 30/01/2009 22:04:44 Well i love the upgrade on graphics however iam using a very old pc. with premium graphics. Me rigs is maxs out. Lets say the main bord is buildt in 1999 yah i know very old but works till today. 7 days 53 weeks 356 days on. (some times it restart upgrade ) However if you cheq qdi koduz 7x/400a in google you will suprise that this bord is still working without any problems. So if you have pc problem and lesser then 3 years old you need to be a moron sorry for the bad word ccp. But its so easy to upgrade a rig (pc). If you buy a laptop and say i can not run eve? you need to stop buying laptops. Or use it only for website and msn. And if you dont have $$$ dont worry play on LOW graphics its that so hard to explane?
rofflesausage	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:09:00 - [367] My main issue, like most other people comes with skill changing. I often do this at work by running eve from a pendrive. Most work machines won't even support SM2 which is a pain. It's about time we either had a skill queue, or access to change skills via the API. The computer industry is evolving at its quickest rate ever, Eve needs to keep up.
zippodee	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:11:00 - [368] I have no idea how this graphic thing is gonna affect me as i am just a simple guy playing a game, I have a radeon HD 2600 pro in my computer will that be ok to run the new thing coming out?
MAXAMOUS	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:11:00 - [369] Will my digital TV converter box work for this?
Varna Caldari Cryodyne LTD	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:17:00 - [370] Cool :) if it helps: Elite for those people who cant keep up... its... amazingly eve-(l)-ish...

Johan Civire Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:18:00 - [371] Edited by: Johan Civire on 30/01/2009 22:21:11 Originally by: zippodee I have no idea how this graphic thing is gonna affect me as i am just a simple guy playing a game, I have a radeon HD 2600 pro in my computer will that be ok to run the new thing coming out? Yes the graphics card works . See below for more details about the PCI EXPRESS card not agp ATI RadeonÖ HD 2600 Feature Summary 390 million transistors on 65nm fabrication process 128-bit DDR2/GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface Ring Bus Memory Controller Fully distributed design with 256-bit internal ring bus for memory reads and writes Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture 120 stream processing units Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders Common instruction set and texture unit access supported for all types of shaders Dedicated branch execution units and texture address processors 128-bit floating point precision for all operations Command processor for reduced CPU overhead Shader instruction and constant caches Up to 40 texture fetches per clock cycle Up to 128 textures per pixel Fully associative multi-level texture cache design DXTC and 3Dc+ texture compression High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192) Fully associative texture Z/stencil cache designs Double-sided hierarchical Z/stencil buffer Early Z test, Re-Z, Z Range optimization, and Fast Z Clear Lossless Z & stencil compression (up to 128:1) Lossless color compression (up to 8:1) 8 render targets (MRTs) with anti-aliasing support Physics processing support Full support for Microsoft« DirectX« 10.0 Shader Model 4.0 YOU HAVE 4.0 you need 2.0 So no problem for running it (the new graphics) Geometry Shaders Stream Output Integer and Bitwise Operations Alpha to Coverage Constant Buffers State Objects Texture Arrays Dynamic Geometry Acceleration High performance vertex cache Programmable tessellation unit Accelerated geometry shader path for geometry amplification Memory read/write cache for improved stream output performance Anti-aliasing features Multi-sample anti-aliasing (up to 8 samples per pixel) Up to 24x Custom Filter Anti-Aliasing (CFAA) for improved quality Adaptive super-sampling and multi-sampling Temporal anti-aliasing Gamma correct Super AA (CrossFire configurations only) All anti-aliasing features compatible with HDR rendering Texture filtering features 2x/4x/8x/16x high quality adaptive anisotropic filtering modes (up to 128 taps per pixel) 128-bit floating point HDR texture filtering Bicubic filtering sRGB filtering (gamma/degamma) Percentage Closer Filtering (PCF) Depth & stencil texture (DST) format support Shared exponent HDR (RGBE 9:9:9:5) texture format support CrossFireÖ Multi-GPU Technology Scale up rendering performance and image quality with 2 or more GPUs Integrated compositing engine High performance dual channel interconnect ATI AvivoÖ HD Video and Display Platform Dedicated unified video decoder (UVD) for H.264/AVC and VC-1 video formats High definition (HD) playback of both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats Hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4/DivX video decode acceleration Motion compensation and iDCT (inverse discrete cosine transform) Avivo Video Post Processor Color space conversion Chroma subsampling format conversion Horizontal and vertical scaling Gamma correction High Quality Video Post Processing Advanced vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing De-blocking and noise reduction filtering Detail enhancement Inverse telecine (2:2 and 3:2 pull-down correction) Bad edit correction Two independent display controllers Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions, refresh rates, color controls and video overlays for each display Full 30-bit display processing Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion Spatial/temporal dithering provides 30-bit color quality on 24-bit and 18-bit displays High quality pre- and p
Tray 'dhor	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:48:00 - [372] this is BS as you will lose alot of players that will no longer be able to play please consider a degrade option so players can continue playing eve. One of the best points of eve was the ability to still play with low system requirements unlike newer games that continue to require higher and higher specs. this definately will lower your subscriber list Thanks for listening
balvason	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:53:00 - [373] Once again ccp strike with a wonderful decision and great support... NOT... TAKES THEM 7 DAYS TO REPLY TO SIMPLE PETITION AND NOW THEY ARE DRIVING THE POOR AWAY FROM THE GAME... thanks alot for the time ccp well done... in case you havn't noticed ... not everyone is millionairs like your selves... and not all of the player in game can afford the upgrade. so my home address for you to send new computer so i will continue paying for the game is unit 13 26-30 stewart st australia thanks again for the new pc Balvason
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:55:00 - [374] Originally by: Tray 'dhor this is BS as you will lose alot of players that will no longer be able to play please consider a degrade option so players can continue playing eve. One of the best points of eve was the ability to still play with low system requirements unlike newer games that continue to require higher and higher specs. this definately will lower your subscriber list Thanks for listening Not true. And we talk about equipment thats older than 5-6 years that wont work. And if you got so old gear. You could buy a 30$ GFX card and double or more your GFX performance. However the Geforce5 should not really be in the list with its "bolted on" SM2.0. Its horrible slow. Support yes, any performance no. A software renderer would be faster.
johnygoodboytyler	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:58:00 - [375] yep i am a victim of this i play this game because i can on this computer i dont need to upgrade but now i will need to fork out 3-400 quid just to play a game i have been on for 4 years thx
balvason	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:04:00 - [376] and i don't care its slow... it works... thats all i care about
Wat4shi	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:06:00 - [377] I don't know much about video cards, I got a ATI X850. Will I still be able to run Eve or do I have to find a new game?
Ramirez Dora Small Hadron Collider	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:10:00 - [378] I'm currently running the Premium client but in Classic mode. This is due to the fact that my Shader 3 graphics card died last year and the quick replacement I got only supported Shader 2. I am assuming I won't have to download the entire Premium Light client and that the Premium client has a mode to switch to Light.
Ramirez Dora Small Hadron Collider	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:11:00 - [379] Originally by: Wat4shi I don't know much about video cards, I got a ATI X850. Will I still be able to run Eve or do I have to find a new game? The X850 will have no problem with Premium Light. :)
balvason	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:15:00 - [380] just cause i love giveing my money away so i can fly around in a fantasy world i am going to "try" and use the premium client dell pc's arn't the best but

Commander Ventura	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:21:00 - [381] Edited by: Commander Ventura on 30/01/2009 23:30:33 Hi i am using Eve classic graphics can i continue to use this or will this change affect me using EVE online ? or can i still use eve primum graphics.
Varna Caldari Cryodyne LTD	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:35:00 - [382] Originally by: johnygoodboytyler yep i am a victim of this i play this game because i can on this computer i dont need to upgrade but now i will need to fork out 3-400 quid just to play a game i have been on for 4 years thx they sell good 2nd hand pc for 100 euro, insert a decent card (if not already in the machine) and your good to go. for 400 you buy 2 of those cheap machines. just dont try to run multiple eve on one system since I/O to disk is normally not very optimal) example: Compaq Evo D51s sff Pentium 4 Pentium 4 2.4 GHZ 512 MB (1024mb i.p.v 512mb + 20,- euro) 40.0 GB Netwerkkaart Sound Videokaart CD-ROM (DVD-RW (nieuw) i.p.v CD-ROM + 25,-) Floppy USB XP PRO Licentie COA Drie maanden Garantie Prijs: 2.4 GHZ Ç 79,- incl. BTW
Indec	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:36:00 - [383] To everyone complaining, this is something that has to happen sooner or later. If this would have been announced a year or half a year later would you still complain that you can't afford the upgrade? Yes. Would you have upgraded your computer/laptop by then. No. I would really like to know the real % of the players that won't be able to play due to SM2 (and maybe later SM3) support being removed, and I bet CCP already got those numbers. That's at least how I see it...
Zaiyo Modi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:49:00 - [384] Does anyone know if CCP have contact with AMD/ATI to get optimal support for the game regarding drives, or are the end result perhaps abit incidental?
Roccus Caldari PILGRIMS Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:51:00 - [385] About time that EVE got a visual improvement, i am sorry for the few people who cant afford a budged pc that can handle SM3 but staying in those old outdated graphics wil not be good for EVE in the future i think. Most of the people want eye candy to even if the game offers exelent gameplay. I am glad to see the new graphics in the current premium client. I just hope this wont go at the cost of server performance, since i am getting used to lagspikes a bit... (wich is not my hardware for sure, and yes even after the need for speed tactic) But i would just say that the graphics standard could be screwed up a little more even, maybe just insert more graphics options in settings where u can select the prefered shader model etc, and other rendering options? like alot of games have already so u could tweak the engine to the performance of your pc. This would just bring one client that can be set to the players pc performance. But keep up the good work :) EVE is by far the most versitile mmorpg i have seen, now let it also be the most beautifull one hehe.
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.01.30 23:51:00 - [386] my laptop has an ati mobility radeon hd3470. i know sod all about hardware. will i need a new laptop now?
Roccus Caldari PILGRIMS Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.31 00:00:00 - [387] Originally by: Forum Chav my laptop has an ati mobility radeon hd3470. i know sod all about hardware. will i need a new laptop now? If you can play premium graphics client without hassle now, you wont have to worry. I think all hd versions of ati support SM3, correct me if i am wrong :) _____________________________________________________________ Peace is not made for humans... like woman are made for men!
Johan Civire Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.31 00:04:00 - [388] Originally by: Roccus About time that EVE got a visual improvement, i am sorry for the few people who cant afford a budged pc that can handle SM3 but staying in those old outdated graphics wil not be good for EVE in the future i think. Most of the people want eye candy to even if the game offers exelent gameplay. I am glad to see the new graphics in the current premium client. I just hope this wont go at the cost of server performance, since i am getting used to lagspikes a bit... (wich is not my hardware for sure, and yes even after the need for speed tactic) But i would just say that the graphics standard could be screwed up a little more even, maybe just insert more graphics options in settings where u can select the prefered shader model etc, and other rendering options? like alot of games have already so u could tweak the engine to the performance of your pc. This would just bring one client that can be set to the players pc performance. But keep up the good work :) EVE is by far the most versitile mmorpg i have seen, now let it also be the most beautifull one hehe. I agree on that one the NEED to upgrade graphics if the like to stay with them even world of wacraft have been upgrade alot so. And most off all this will be far bether graphics then the premium Some day i will hunt you!
Tharivol	Posted - 2009.01.31 00:27:00 - [389] I love EVE but this will be the second time in my eve life I have had to spend money on my system to keep playing , yeah I know blah blah blah your computor is junk and you needed to upgrade it etc. but as a long time full time player I for one would like to say that gameply functions are far more important to me than pretty pictures. Fix the existing problems before you go costing me more money to have the same lag etc but with prettier pictures. If I wanna see pretty pictures i will turn on my HD TV , it really doesnt matter to me how shiney my market screens in Jita are , it matters that i cant get out the gates there 1/2 the time . If my piece of crap computor wont support the proper new required graphics card I will just be gone from EVE . Couldnt possibly justify spending more money in this economy on frivilous item. Maybe I can buy the new GC with ISK through EVE ? GTCs paid for with ISK are keeping me playing now. The opinions expressed are solely my own and those of my other accounts and their alts. Wait , thats actually alot of people.
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.01.31 00:30:00 - [390] Originally by: Roccus Originally by: Forum Chav my laptop has an ati mobility radeon hd3470. i know sod all about hardware. will i need a new laptop now? If you can play premium graphics client without hassle now, you wont have to worry. I think all hd versions of ati support SM3, correct me if i am wrong :) roccus, cheers for that fella'. i only bought the thing a few months ago and would have been somewhat 'irked' if it couldn't run the new stuff. i've got the premium thingey going just dandio, so all should be good then. i see the computer jargon, and my head starts hurting. again, thanks for taking the time to reply, i appreciate it.



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