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Darlon Shae
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Posted - 2009.01.27 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Elysarian I do have to wonder if the same people on this thread moaning about their ancient computers (yes - 6 years+ is ancient in PC terms, we've only had the Web for 16 years, 3D acceleration for 12 years) not supporting SM2.0 are the same groups who complain loudly about lag?
Apparently you disagree with decision CCP did when Trinity came out - that they did optimize the client (CLassic Client) for those with older computers, and got new clietn with really pretty ships but no actual additional content.
That was good decision. Not everyone wants pretty graphics - I would play this game with ELITE graphics, because I loved the *content*.
But I am not going to invest 300 or 600 EURos to new computer to run EVE. And I do not expect anyone else to do so. My ancient computer had run EVE quite nicely, and the recent server structure modifications had made the glogged systems run better - but those glogged systems were glogged with better computers too. Thus the lag was *SERVER* side problem.
Quote: As an example:
World of Warcraft (vomits, then OCD hand-washes), which was released in November 2004 needs, as a recommended spec (anyone who considers themself a "gamer" knows to ignore the minimum specs unless you like playing a powerpoint presentation):
Dual-core processor, such as the Intel Pentium D or AMD Athlon 64 X2. 1 GB RAM (2 GB for Vista users). 3D graphics processor with Vertex and Pixel Shader capability with 128 MB VRAM Such as an ATI Radeon X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT class card or better.
Of course, WoW hasn't had a major graphical overhaul unlike Eve.
Eve's requirements can be located on the Eve website
Disclaimer: I have never and will never actually play WoW.
I do think it is really bad decision to discontinue support of older computers for game. Because not everyone think *gamer* is someone like you are. I am gamer. But I do expect content, not pretty colors. I hated XP, loved Waterfall of XP beta. I do still play 10 to 20 years old games due they have more content than most new games.
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Darlon Shae
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Posted - 2009.01.27 11:07:00 -
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Another thing -
Next time, put comment suggestion query into News all EVE players see when logging in.
I am more than a bit outraged to hear that you think you asked comments for all players when you asked comments for those who actively read dev blogs.
I rarely log into forums - I actually do so only when some news item indicates there is something *IMPORTANT* out there, or some other player informs me there is something important going on.
Like this item.
But, you can ignore my comments, because I am not going to be CCP customer any longer. That is because CCP forced my hand by making my computer obsolete for this great game.
I loved the game even with numerous annoying bugs and fixes which have broken working systems. I loved it because it was only at least decently made spacefaring MMORPG. I think the content of EVE has been great.
And after reading the comments, it appears I am not alone. CCP has made several really stupid decisions during last year. I personally think that getting 10 new gamers in expense of 20 old gamers is just plain stupid.
Yours Kautsu |
Doublewhopper
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Posted - 2009.01.27 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Elysarian I do have to wonder if the same people on this thread moaning about their ancient computers (yes - 6 years+ is ancient in PC terms, we've only had the Web for 16 years, 3D acceleration for 12 years) not supporting SM2.0 are the same groups who complain loudly about lag?
It's a common misconception that all lag is server-bound, quite a bit is network-bound and some is client bound (especially if you have a lower-end processor, graphics card, amount of ram or a software sound card.
CCP are, at the end of the day, a business. They have to keep up with other MMOs out there or die, updating the graphics is just one way of acheiving this and that is becoming increasingly hard for them as they (up to now) have been saddled with having to support hardware that gamers in other areas would laugh at (try playing any other modern game with a PC from 2003).
As an example:
World of Warcraft (vomits, then OCD hand-washes), which was released in November 2004 needs, as a recommended spec (anyone who considers themself a "gamer" knows to ignore the minimum specs unless you like playing a powerpoint presentation):
Dual-core processor, such as the Intel Pentium D or AMD Athlon 64 X2. 1 GB RAM (2 GB for Vista users). 3D graphics processor with Vertex and Pixel Shader capability with 128 MB VRAM Such as an ATI Radeon X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT class card or better.
Of course, WoW hasn't had a major graphical overhaul unlike Eve.
Eve's requirements can be located on the Eve website
Disclaimer: I have never and will never actually play WoW.
You totally miss the point.
I do not care about lag. I do not care about great graphics. I do not care what you think a gamer is.
But this is the situation for many people:
They run alts on an alt-encouraging game, using the hardware that they have or have gotten cheaply. This means mostly laptops.
Now when the classic client goes away, i simply loose functionality. I do not expect to do PVP or lag-free missions or whatever high-end stuff on my 6 year old laptop.
I do however need it to haul afk across empire, use it to trade in the market and do some mining with it. All that is lost now. The laptop(s) did it just fine and nobody expected them to do more.
Now you need to get new hardware for those secondary tasks and that seems unreasonable.
So the basic hardware requirements of WoW are exactly the thing we are talking about. Not the recommended ones. The Geforce 2 is enough in WoW to chat and to walk your character from A to B.
The same should be possible in EVE as it used to be. |
Guterro d'Tefiane
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.27 13:11:00 -
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I use my laptop often to change skills. Good move. |
Uchukukan
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Posted - 2009.01.27 13:28:00 -
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Not to sound cold and unsympathetic but to all those leaving -
So long... (can I have your stuff;P)
If CCP doesn't force through these changes EVE will die to competetors.
It's not to do with pretty graphics or any of the other excuses raised in this thread. They need to adapt to the market. |
Dagda Morr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.01.27 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru
so cancel your sub now. Because you may be sure SOMEDAY they will do this move. Its simply ilogical to not do so. Would you think is sane to keep support for Glide3D when the last implementation in hardware of that API was in 1999 ? Hell no! Same will happen to SM2 someday
That's an absolutely stupid comment - but since I've got time to waste I'll reply anyhow.
I fully appreciate that the client will be updated - I expect it and welcome it to an extent. If you see my earlier post you will see that I think the upgrade to SM2 is going to be good. My objection is to then upgrade to SM3 six months later.
I will be buying a new PC when the one I have is no longer fit for purpose - but bear in mind that one of the unique fetures about eve is that is always has and should (in my opinion) run on older machines. My older machine is perfectly good for everyting else that I use it for so why change it?
If the change is so vital, why was the upgrade from SM1 to SM2 so late in the day? Everything changes and everything upgrades in the end but the move to SM3 was a little too soon IN MY OPINION. It's very simple, no ragequit or whining - if Eve switched to SM3 before I do I won't play EVE till I upgrade.
For those of you with newer, better machines - why do you even care since you can just run premium regardless? |
vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.27 14:00:00 -
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Sorry if this has already been said; but would it be possible to create a program like the one that was put out by CCP when Premium came out, to test your machine for Premium Lite capability (which as I understand it means that it is SM2 compatible) ?
And do it now, or as soon as possible, so that those of us who will need to buy new equipment can save up?
In my case, my desktop is 5 years old and wasn't all that high-end when I bought it, and it won't run Premium. Neither will my laptop, of similar vintage although the laptop was bleeding-edge when I bought it. I much doubt that upgrading the graphics card, in a 1GB box sporting a Sempron 2400, would be worth the effort.
It might also be nice to have specs available in the same manner that the publishers of Entropia have done; minimum, acceptable and optimum. Being able to change skills and adjust market orders requires less than serious fighting, even if the fighting is only against NPCs.
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Seishi Maru
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.27 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dagda Morr
Originally by: Seishi Maru
so cancel your sub now. Because you may be sure SOMEDAY they will do this move. Its simply ilogical to not do so. Would you think is sane to keep support for Glide3D when the last implementation in hardware of that API was in 1999 ? Hell no! Same will happen to SM2 someday
That's an absolutely stupid comment - but since I've got time to waste I'll reply anyhow.
I fully appreciate that the client will be updated - I expect it and welcome it to an extent. If you see my earlier post you will see that I think the upgrade to SM2 is going to be good. My objection is to then upgrade to SM3 six months later.
I will be buying a new PC when the one I have is no longer fit for purpose - but bear in mind that one of the unique fetures about eve is that is always has and should (in my opinion) run on older machines. My older machine is perfectly good for everyting else that I use it for so why change it?
If the change is so vital, why was the upgrade from SM1 to SM2 so late in the day? Everything changes and everything upgrades in the end but the move to SM3 was a little too soon IN MY OPINION. It's very simple, no ragequit or whining - if Eve switched to SM3 before I do I won't play EVE till I upgrade.
For those of you with newer, better machines - why do you even care since you can just run premium regardless?
Its not stupid is reality. CCP cannot continueimplementignnew stuff while still supportign completely different code fromprevious generation. That wil eventually reach a too big overhead in development. At one point in future they will drop SM2.
And its simply impossible to be sure absolutely everyonhe will be able to run the new client today, or whenever that happens. Its simple fact taht SOME people that are sttuborn on playing on very inadequate hardware will at some point have to face the decision of upgrading or stop playing.
You cannot evade that, neiher CCP neither any company that wants to keep a product 10 years in market and keep it as a capable competition in the market.
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Dagda Morr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.01.27 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru
Its not stupid is reality. CCP cannot continueimplementignnew stuff while still supportign completely different code fromprevious generation. That wil eventually reach a too big overhead in development. At one point in future they will drop SM2.
And its simply impossible to be sure absolutely everyonhe will be able to run the new client today, or whenever that happens. Its simple fact taht SOME people that are sttuborn on playing on very inadequate hardware will at some point have to face the decision of upgrading or stop playing.
You cannot evade that, neiher CCP neither any company that wants to keep a product 10 years in market and keep it as a capable competition in the market.
I agree with you - 100%, but switching to SM2 after building a reputation for running on legacy machines, then switching again to SM3 6 onths later is too fast. If it's better paced people have time to adjust to the idea that their legacy machines need to be upgraded to newer (I accept still old) machines. That is the whole point of having a lite version - if it's not lite enough why bother with the effort?
And you are right again that people will have to upgrade - but it's much less of a burden to buy a cheap used machine that can accomodate SM2 than having to buy a new SM3 compatible machine. A year at most 2 down the line SM2 can be dropped.
The fact that EVE has a lite client is in it's self a selling point - remove that niche and you're on the road to being just another space MMO
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.01.27 17:56:00 -
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I have a feeling I might have worked out why CCP are pushing for higher shader model support...
A quick search for "Elite4" on google reveals that Frontier Developments are to release it in 2009, after the release of another title called "The Outsider"...
Further research shows that this game is to be multiplayer...
My question is thus: Are CCP afraid that we might defect to Elite if it proves to be as good as the original(s) (I'm of course referring to content here, not graphics)?
In response to the people who obviously have not read the dev blog properly or actually read many posts on this thread:
CCP Are considering removing SM2.0 support later in 2009 - they have not said this is a definate! |
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Katy Karkinoff
Minmatar Psycho Chicks
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Posted - 2009.01.27 18:09:00 -
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While it's cool you guys are pushing for maintaining a gorgeous appearance for eve, I'm concerned that I'm going to be phased out if/when you release SM 3.0 only. I'm in college now and I'm flat broke. I've wanted a new computer for some time now but haven't found the cash to do it.
It would be kind of disappointing after my 2 years now (short to, long to others) I had to just give it all up because of a graphics update. Anyways, here's for the best of luck and hopes either a: I somehow magically attain a new comp b: premium lite is around for a while ^^ |
Ms Massacre
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.27 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Uchukukan Not to sound cold and unsympathetic but to all those leaving -
So long... (can I have your stuff;P)
If CCP doesn't force through these changes EVE will die to competetors.
It's not to do with pretty graphics or any of the other excuses raised in this thread. They need to adapt to the market.
what competitors? I can't think of any other game that could steal EvE's players. no other game comes within 20 miles of the quality of eve's graphics, classic is still impressive relative to most, and trinity outright trumps everyone else. What other MMO has even remotely similar demographics for customers? EvE is aimed at those he have some patience, dedication, and (in most circumstances) some general logic. Every other MMO is tailored to 10 year olds who can't wait more than 10 minutes for something to happen.
EvE makes you work to get something, and there is a risk to lose it all. Very rarely do you come across someone who's identical to you. In other MMO's with elves and orcs: There is a hard cap, easily attainable, and once you get there everyone is the same.
/rantoff. |
Avaraseero
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Posted - 2009.01.27 19:04:00 -
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CCP dont make ppl buy new machines, find a way to keep happy even the ppl who cant afford spending more
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Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2009.01.27 19:59:00 -
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http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=617
They are NOT going with SM3. NOT THIS WINTER. Not until most everyone can handle it. OK? Everyone get that?
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Uchukukan
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Massacre
Originally by: Uchukukan Not to sound cold and unsympathetic but to all those leaving -
So long... (can I have your stuff;P)
If CCP doesn't force through these changes EVE will die to competetors.
It's not to do with pretty graphics or any of the other excuses raised in this thread. They need to adapt to the market.
what competitors?
Jumpgate evolution springs to mind (already mentioned in this thread) there's also the Star Trek mmo that looks promising.
This change will come about eventually and the Luddite's will have to adapt or stop playing. |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Uchukukan
Jumpgate evolution springs to mind (already mentioned in this thread) there's also the Star Trek mmo that looks promising.
This change will come about eventually and the Luddite's will have to adapt or stop playing.
And why exactly improving the game while KEEPING support for old hardware (like they were doing), makes people go away? Not improving the game, yes, I can see it as an opening for competition, but that is not the case in the current situation.
Arbitrarily raising specs is a draconian decision that serves nobody but the lazyness of the company.
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Karaun Xavura
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Karaun Xavura on 28/01/2009 13:06:52 You can get a card that supports SM 2.0 for ú20/$30, maybe even less. The complainers are funny but the people threatening to quit, that's just hilarious.
"Wah wah wah CCP is forcing me to pay $2000 for a new computer." "Boo hoo hoo I can't run 200 clients any more on my 10 year old graphics card."
Get a grip.
I have a crappy part time job and lots of big bills to pay, yet I can afford to get a SM 2.0 compatible graphics card.
Once more: You can get a card that supports SM 2.0 for ú20/$30, maybe even less...
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I just found a card that supports Shader Model 3.0 for ú30/$40 (nVidia GeForce 6200 256MB).
You don't even need THAT. All you need is a card that supports Shader Model 2.0 because CCP have decided to not go with the 3.0 idea. It seems a lot of people seem to think they are requiring 3.0, try reading the blog. ---------------------
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Sol Alria
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:59:00 -
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To the players:
I am a Full-time student with a full-time job. I am going to buy a new computer with Shader 3 capability. The cost of playing this game in the long term is far less than buying an X-box/PS3/Wii or whatever (and please don't turn this into a which console box is better) plus the games to go with the console. Do some math and this game, even with the cost of a new computer, is a much cheaper option than the alternatives... and why would you want to continue to play on a computer with and integrated graphics adapter, anyway?
HOWEVER!!!
CCP: You need to make skills, not just viewable, but accessible via web browser. If you force such a drastic change in minimum requirements, please allow those of us who need time to gather funds for the new purchase, to be able to keep our training up to date.
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Elysarian on 28/01/2009 22:14:23 How many times does someone who's actually taken the time to read the devblogs AND keep up with this thread have to explain to some moron that CCP are NOT making SM3.0 a requirement, they are only dropping SM1.0 and making the entry-level a card with SM2.0...
I have, along with other posters, listed options for people with limited resources and which onboard graphics chipsets (anything with an Intel GMA950 or higher for the lazy) will be compatible with Premium Lite.
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Monk Girl
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Posted - 2009.01.29 05:40:00 -
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Well, I have to confess that I have not had a hand in the decision (because I did not comment).
However, most of the complaints from people all seem to be in regards to 5/6 year old computers.
Tell me dear chaps, how long do you want eve to support your laptop/desktops graphics?, another 5 years perhaps? This is not realistic, and to date I think CCP have done a very nice job of keeping Eve client side quite light. However it is now getting developer heavy, thus the required hardware has to be revisited.
I am not surprised by this, and I am sure many of you whilst griping and quite possibly in full knowledge that it will impact your gaming experience will understand that it is a market necessity. In a couple or years time (or less) I suspect shader 2.0 will also be out the door on its arse. If they forced you into Shader 3.0 graphics territory, which is PC's from around 18 months old then yes I could see the issue, however we are not. I do accept however that with the world market going into melt down most large firms will not be recycling there PC's quite as soon as before (thus providing access to cheap 2.0 PC's).
Does this make me a CCP fanboy?, well I hope not because things like the walking around station's thing sux imo, and I would rather see skill queing, and new ship models for the 30 variations of 1 ship (like the Marauders, did they really need to use the same base model? - Yawn). There are many things I would like to grip about, but not this.
And as sombody did point out, new PC's costing sub ú300 for netbooks can run SM2.0 so finding a ú100 or less second hand PC will not kill you, or your could bring forward the upgrade of your main PC should you be using it primarly for an alt. In some cases a simple graphics card upgrade (for you PC owners) will cost you about ú15 and is quite easy to do.
On a different topic, I suspect XP only has about 2-3 years of support from CCP tops, and will soon be lite version only.
And I agree with the other chap, Premium and Premium Lite is a stupid idea. Eve Premium & Eve Lite makes more sense.
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Jack Calypo
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Posted - 2009.01.29 06:35:00 -
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My labtop has this card http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-Go-6150.6945.0.html
Does it work after 10 of march?
Yes or No
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Sindell Moondragon
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:33:00 -
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my laptop is new but still I cant run the premium version on it, so if this shaderstuff goes live I wont be able to play eve anymore. I will not buy a solid standing pc coz there is no room for it plus I need to be mobile. Guess ill be handing in my pilot's license when it comes.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 29/01/2009 11:46:52
Originally by: Elysarian How many times does someone who's actually taken the time to read the devblogs AND keep up with this thread have to explain to some moron that CCP are NOT making SM3.0 a requirement, they are only dropping SM1.0 and making the entry-level a card with SM2.0...
Ok... You don't know how CCP works, don't you ?
When a dev blog is published, the change will be done at the fixed ETA. Same if there are legitimate complains (missile nerf, shield more nerfed than armor, etc...), same if they unbalance something, they simply don't care.
CCP stated that they wanted raise to SM 3.0 minimum at End 2009 ? They will certainly do it at End 2009, same if they told us that it is cancelled for the moment. After all, they did some estimations (estimations pff...) than 95% of players would have a SM 3.0 card for this ETA, so I don't see why they would stop this change. They just wanted to stop the potential bad advert that the dev blog created...
The only moment where CCP really retreated was the Capital Nerf. I don't remember for anything else. ___________________
EVE "Community" become more like WoW each day, with his fanboy attitude. Simplistic logic, Lazy thinking, No capacity to comprehend same a justified whine... |
Gunter Bahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:14:00 -
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I am curious though. Does this mean that Linux will get a Premium client now? Or will that now be the alternative? |
Gunter Bahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Calypo My labtop has this card http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-Go-6150.6945.0.html
Does it work after 10 of march?
Yes or No
It does Shader 3. So yes. |
Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 29/01/2009 11:46:52
Originally by: Elysarian How many times does someone who's actually taken the time to read the devblogs AND keep up with this thread have to explain to some moron that CCP are NOT making SM3.0 a requirement, they are only dropping SM1.0 and making the entry-level a card with SM2.0...
Ok... You don't know how CCP works, don't you ?
When a dev blog is published, the change will be done at the fixed ETA. Same if there are legitimate complains (missile nerf, shield more nerfed than armor, etc...), same if they unbalance something, they simply don't care.
CCP stated that they wanted raise to SM 3.0 minimum at End 2009 ? They will certainly do it at End 2009, same if they told us that it is cancelled for the moment. After all, they did some estimations (estimations pff...) than 95% of players would have a SM 3.0 card for this ETA, so I don't see why they would stop this change. They just wanted to stop the potential bad advert that the dev blog created...
The only moment where CCP really retreated was the Capital Nerf. I don't remember for anything else.
Quote:
Step 2: In the Winter Expansion 2009 we are considering discontinuing support for ShaderModel 2 and make the minimum specification ShaderModel 3(GeForce 6 class cards or ATi x1300 or compatible)
Notice the word "considering" in there?
That means it isn't set in stone - in light of this thread (I assume at least one dev is following it) I'm willing to bet they won't force SM 3.0 on everyone. ===================================== It smells of spoon! ===================================== |
Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dagda Morr
I will be buying a new PC when the one I have is no longer fit for purpose
Ok, i'll bite.
Go on then, post your specification.
What's your CPU, how much RAM do you have and what sort of expansion slot do you have in your motherboard?
I think it's a safe bet to say that you have absolutely no *need* to buy a new PC and in fact, can probably drop $50 and buy a graphics card off eBay that will suffice.
I appreciate there are recessions and what not but really, if you enjoy Eve so much and if it's such an important hobby then $50 really isn't all that much for something that will enable to you continue your hobby and improve your frame rate to boot.
Quote: For those of you with newer, better machines - why do you even care since you can just run premium regardless?
Because from reading this thread it's pretty apparent that the vast majority of people have no idea what they are talking about.
You can buy a cheap graphics card off eBay for next to nothing that will enable to you keep playing Eve - nobody is forcing you to buy a new PC.
But don't let me stand in the way of everyone's winge fest, i've just been building PCs for 12 years, and playing games for 18 years - what do I know?
Sheesh.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:55:00 -
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I just looked on eBay there and I see one currently at $12.50, 5 days left on the auction.
Most people here probably wouldn't hesitate to spend more than the cost of a compatable gfx card on a round of drinks down the pub on a Friday night.
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Invisitron
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Posted - 2009.01.29 20:13:00 -
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This is a major change in EvE as I see it.
To me EvE is a game I retire to when getting tired of all the fuss and colors in top Gfx games. Here it's not about nice effects or impressive graphics. It's about content and people. About being able to enjoy the gameplay with you friends - without the disturbance of constant upgrades or HW considerations.
EvE works on your workstation, on the spare computer and even on the work laptop in the hotel room when traveling. This is one of the unique things about EvE you can have it along and be in contact with you friends, change skills or just loose a fortune on investing wrong on the market place. If EvE can no longer be the social game you can have with you I see other alternatives.
From the corp mails I see people I enjoy flying with are leaving or thinking of leaving - even though I have one computer that will run EvE I'm not gonna be around for long if the universe is swamped with players attracted by flashy graphics and not investing time in the gameplay and communities.
Time will tell how this goes. I think the focus on content and gameplay and not graphics has made EvE something that stands out compared to other online games. This move will narrow the gap and I think more dedicated people will leave than come to EvE.
My main box will run EvE just fine but the laptop for the alt 'salvager' account is no good and I'm not getting a new one just for that (So that's one sub down CCP - Might be some money in commission for transferring the chars to the main account).
I wish all the people leaving the best of luck going other places. I will stay and look at the new pretty pictures on the screen but if the content is sacrificed I will join you in some months. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.29 21:03:00 -
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My only concern with this issue is the annoying spanking animation while you're docked to station. Make ships standing still as they are in classic and all will be good. I may even forgive the loss of shinyness on Amarr ships for that matter. |
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