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Gaya Lordess	Posted - 2009.02.09 16:08:00 - [511] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Grigori Black So how do you check to see if your computer runs Shader Model 2? http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ Free No troyans / adware / registration / bull No installer Small Launch it, tell to not update, look to the right where it says "SM" in a little cell. Mine says 3.0 /me is joyous
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2009.02.09 17:39:00 - [512] Edited by: Doublewhopper on 09/02/2009 17:56:11 Well you can forget all things and hopes discussed in here or other threads. You can say GOODBYE TO ALL LAPTOPS with GeforceGo 5200 or cheap GMA chipsets and so on... The Premium lite client is available on the testserver as patch for the premium client. With classic i get 30 fps. With Premium lite i get 0,3 fps in space with everything turned off. ======== UPDATE: Played a little more with the settings. I get 12 fps now, but the graphics look broken now...
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.02.09 20:21:00 - [513] I find it interesting that while this debate rages on, the only other game I play is going through a similar problem and massively updating its graphics. Their Devs' comments? Quote: Many of you have been wondering about how the upcoming terrain changes will affect the performance on machines that are just getting by in the current version. Graphically low end systems (such as anything with an onboard Intel graphics chip) should not see any decline in performance because they won't be able to utilize the new enhancements. They will still be able to run the game and without a performance hit, but they will take a hit to how the terrain looks. This is due to the fact that different types of terrain will not blend in to each other where they touch. Instead, there will be a hard line where that terrain transition occurs and it will result in checkerboard look in the terrain textures. It won't look as good but it will still be playable and that is the best we can do while still moving forward. Aceshigh Dev announcement Seems to me that someone actually has stats on how many customers their changes will hurt, and actually cares
Nathanael Ashcroft Incursus Academy	Posted - 2009.02.11 14:37:00 - [514] Edited by: Nathanael Ashcroft on 11/02/2009 14:42:34 Edited by: Nathanael Ashcroft on 11/02/2009 14:40:10 Please CCP, keep the classic for a little more time !! 2 mounth, the ultimatum is very short... If you want your game to be the more democratic it can be, you just HAVE the keep the classic running. Because even if someone can barely run the Premium "Lite" there will always be more performance issue that with the classic version. Classic is for those who just want to play, to enjoy YOUR game, YOUR universe. I don't need Premium content to be a true EVE fan, or a true EVE player. Many player are running the classic version atm, what about them ? Upgrade or die ? Sounds a bit dictatorial... --------- I don't speak about me and myself... I'm not whinning for a peanut ... Quote: * OS: Windows« XP / Vista * CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD @ 1 GHz * RAM: XP û 1 GB / Vista û 1.5 GB * HD space: 6gig Free Space * Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection * Video: 64 MB Shader Model 2.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce FX (5 series) class card or higher, ATi 9500, x300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers * Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers * DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required. Is that the new minimal requirments ? Fair I just need a new graphic card ... Pretty cheap. But the way you decide to change MINIMAL requirements for EVE is a bit rude. I talk about thousands of people.
Bodhisattvas Counter Errorist Unit	Posted - 2009.02.11 23:32:00 - [515] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Ix Forres Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop is now junk. Thanks a lot. Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx. If you're running a laptop without SM2, time to upgrade. My EeePC can do SM2. If you are paying I am happy to upgrade. Otherwise I'll just spend the money on my mortgage, bills, and just generally surviving if that is okay with you. Sir, I find your dedication to eve sadly lacking. Starvation and being homeless would be far more preferable to being without the comforting cotton wool reality shielded world of internet spaceships. Perhaps you could sell a limb or two ? apparently we have spare lungs etc. Yours, A disgusted evester.
Shereza	Posted - 2009.02.12 07:29:00 - [516] So will the "Premium Lite" client also be as stable as the Classic engine? Just figured I'd ask since I've had a couple magnitudes more crashes under the current Premium engine than the Classic engine. I'd say infinitely more but I'm sure I must've had some graphics-related crashes from Classic over the 2.5 years I've been playing. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Nathanael Ashcroft Incursus Academy	Posted - 2009.02.12 13:25:00 - [517] Edited by: Nathanael Ashcroft on 12/02/2009 13:29:49 Originally by: Shereza So will the "Premium Lite" client also be as stable as the Classic engine? Just figured I'd ask since I've had a couple magnitudes more crashes under the current Premium engine than the Classic engine. This is a good question... And one of the first reasons that made me ask CCP to keep the Classic engine alive. _________________
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.12 21:23:00 - [518] Originally by: Doublewhopper Edited by: Doublewhopper on 09/02/2009 17:56:11 Well you can forget all things and hopes discussed in here or other threads. You can say GOODBYE TO ALL LAPTOPS with GeforceGo 5200 or cheap GMA chipsets and so on... The Premium lite client is available on the testserver as patch for the premium client. With classic i get 30 fps. With Premium lite i get 0,3 fps in space with everything turned off. ======== UPDATE: Played a little more with the settings. I get 12 fps now, but the graphics look broken now... You do realise that you're playing on a TEST Server? What that means, in plain english is that there's a lot of bloat in the code that won't be there come march 10th - you're playing on debug code which has a lot of extra stuff in it & isn't yet fully optimised. Some people are just too stupid. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Jim Outright Gallente Nightfall Inc	Posted - 2009.02.13 09:07:00 - [519] Sorry to be a pain, but just adding to the list of laptop user's who would suffer a mental illness of some kind if I couldnt get on Eve when out and about. Would love to see the Lite client on SM2 and a premium on SM3 tho :) (lots of hard work obviously - but it'd make alot of us chuffed to bits) :P
Schwester Minotaur	Posted - 2009.02.13 12:55:00 - [520] CCP - Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaase - keep the Classic Version. I have a Laptop with PS 1.4 - and its worthless if you do PS2.0 upgrade on Premium Lite Client. Dont do this. I dont need Ambulation with my laptop - i just wanna trade. My Main Computer has it, but its much better doing stuff on other screen. Please rethink your decision
Grendow	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:35:00 - [521] i support the upgrade to sm2 (and sm3)... stop waste time on the old crap... :)
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:48:00 - [522] Originally by: Jim Outright Sorry to be a pain, but just adding to the list of laptop user's who would suffer a mental illness of some kind if I couldnt get on Eve when out and about. Would love to see the Lite client on SM2 and a premium on SM3 tho :) (lots of hard work obviously - but it'd make alot of us chuffed to bits) :P If I'm reading your post right you're asking for exactly what CCP are going to do Premium Lite = SM2.0 Premium = SM3.0
Plekto Templar Republic Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.14 02:56:00 - [523] Originally by: Doryd'oh I have never played any other game where an expansion makes the original unplayable on the same hardware. new ver The latest WoW expansion for example requires Win XP, but the requirements for all previous content didn't change. I've never played a modern game that still worked with Direct X 8.0. The issue here is that CCP's engine is literally 5-6 year old technology compared to the rest of the industry's 3-4 year old stuff. WoW works because it was already shader 2.0(DirectX 9) from day one as a requirement. Q: how many people with these crummy laptops can actually play WoW even? Right. Not a single one, because they all require shader 2.0. At some time the ancient relics of the past need to be retired. What CCP is asking for is that you have a laptop or computer with a video card/chip set made in the last SIX years. December 19, 2002 in fact - the release date for DirectX 9.0. DirectX 8.0 was released November 12, 2000. That's not unreasonable. Not if CCP wants to gain new players and remain competitive.
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2009.02.14 04:08:00 - [524] Originally by: Plekto Originally by: Doryd'oh I have never played any other game where an expansion makes the original unplayable on the same hardware. new ver The latest WoW expansion for example requires Win XP, but the requirements for all previous content didn't change. I've never played a modern game that still worked with Direct X 8.0. The issue here is that CCP's engine is literally 5-6 year old technology compared to the rest of the industry's 3-4 year old stuff. WoW works because it was already shader 2.0(DirectX 9) from day one as a requirement. Q: how many people with these crummy laptops can actually play WoW even? Right. Not a single one, because they all require shader 2.0. At some time the ancient relics of the past need to be retired. What CCP is asking for is that you have a laptop or computer with a video card/chip set made in the last SIX years. December 19, 2002 in fact - the release date for DirectX 9.0. DirectX 8.0 was released November 12, 2000. That's not unreasonable. Not if CCP wants to gain new players and remain competitive. Are you imagining things right up as they fit for your argumentation? Didn't know a Geforce 2 is capable of SM2.0, but please enlighten me... The listed requirements for WoW are: Quote: Processor: Minimum: Intel Pentium 4 1.3 GHz or AMD Athlon XP 1500+ Recommended: Dual-core processor, such as the Intel Pentium D or AMD Athlon 64 X2 Memory: Minimum: 512 MB RAM (1GB for Vista users) Recommended: 1 GB RAM (2 GB for Vista users) Video: Minimum: 3D graphics processor with Hardware Transform and Lighting with 32 MB VRAM Such as an ATI Radeon 7200 or NVIDIA GeForce 2 class card or better Recommended: 3D graphics processor with Vertex and Pixel Shader capability with 128 MB VRAM Such as an ATI Radeon X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT class card or better And no, i will not argue about the recommended hardware. I don't want to PVP in EVE either with my old hardware. I just want to mine, haul and support my accounts on my high-end machines. Is that too much to ask for? Why can't we autogenerate SM1.0 models out of SM2.0 models? Why can't we have a wireframe or shaded vector client? Or the stylish spheres that represent the T3 ships on the current testserver?
Cyxopyc The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.14 08:03:00 - [525] Originally by: Doublewhopper Why can't we have a wireframe or shaded vector client? Or the stylish spheres that represent the T3 ships on the current testserver? Eve could be played with graphics from the 1980s, and played well. The reasons for _not_ giving players such a client are probably important to CCP. I will speculate... 1) Generating a different version of a client takes time. No matter how 'easy' it is to make it, it still takes time. And time is money. 2) In this world if you make changes to software so that it might work on a wider range of hardware then you indirectly start supporting that hardware, even if you say you don't support the hardware. Pretty soon people will want updates and support. It's much easier to restrict what your software will run on. 3) If EVE were playable without graphics it might tarnish the game somehow and would not market well. Who would try a game that is so 'weak' it could be played with nothing for graphics and ancient hardware requirements? "Grow a sack and upgrade!" I'm still wishing for more graphics to be disabled with a check box like they did for drones. I doubt CCP is going to make any more steps 'backward' for us.
Nelis Th'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 09:39:00 - [526] Would it be possible to give the status of ShaderModel 2/3 out on the login screen. I want to be sure that my computer(s) run with the new client after March 10 and with ShaderModell 3. The eve client has a better view on my graphics card capability than I do. Having this information on my screen it would be not much additional effort to send it to CCP and run a few statistics on how many hours are played with in future incompatible computers.
The Rincewind Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.14 21:02:00 - [527] Well since the HD3800, we have shader 4.1 available... also in older AGP8x Computer. I d say Shader 3 in Winter is ok, as long as premium lite version makes ppl still able the run EvE 3x without any bigger problems. I still play on 32bit System (XP3200+ 2GB RAM) and can t afford a new Hardware environment, just to play like now.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.15 10:05:00 - [528] does this meam eve wont work on my $200 computer anymore?
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2009.02.15 12:25:00 - [529] Edited by: Doublewhopper on 15/02/2009 12:25:06 Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N does this meam eve wont work on my $200 computer anymore? No, it will not work on your $200 computer anymore, because the $$$ are worthless due to the global economy. If you had a Ç300 computer it might still work.
Etana Elsam	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:04:00 - [530] Originally by: Gaya Lordess Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Grigori Black So how do you check to see if your computer runs Shader Model 2? http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ Free No troyans / adware / registration / bull No installer Small Launch it, tell to not update, look to the right where it says "SM" in a little cell. Mine says 3.0 /me is joyous SM 1.4. :( Looks like I'll be moving to another game. -2 paying accounts for CCP.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:41:00 - [531] Originally by: Etana Elsam SM 1.4. :( Looks like I'll be moving to another game. -2 paying accounts for CCP. If that's a laptop then I'm sorry for you... If it's a desktop and has a free PCI (not even AGP or PCI-E) slot then you are an idiot... You're paying for 2 accounts: that's around $30 a month? For the price of one month's eve subs you could afford to get a SM 3.0 capable card like this. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Chen Mubai	Posted - 2009.02.20 01:37:00 - [532] Perhaps I'm being a dufus, but is Premium Lite available for testing yet? I've just come form the test server patching page, but can't find any reference to my current holy grail. Is it elsewhere? Le Chen
Thorvik Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.02.20 05:14:00 - [533] Edited by: Thorvik on 20/02/2009 05:14:29 Just bought a laptop and have been playing Eve on it (Classic) and has been working beautifully. My vid does support Shadermodel 2 but not 3, so I guess my days are numbered. In today's economic climate I already have bought this thing (my wife needs a laptop) and we share the computer so a laptop was necessary. RL sucks for things like this. Can't afford another desktop atm but we'll have to see when SM 3 happens. Linkage
Tranka Verrane Public Venture Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.20 09:43:00 - [534] Originally by: Thorvik Edited by: Thorvik on 20/02/2009 05:14:29 Just bought a laptop and have been playing Eve on it (Classic) and has been working beautifully. My vid does support Shadermodel 2 but not 3, so I guess my days are numbered. In today's economic climate I already have bought this thing (my wife needs a laptop) and we share the computer so a laptop was necessary. RL sucks for things like this. Can't afford another desktop atm but we'll have to see when SM 3 happens. Man alive, why does nobody read the devblogs? To repeat: "Based on your feedback we are going to commit to making ShaderModel 2 the minimum requirement (graphics wise) in the Apocrypha release, as well as replacing the Classic client with Premium Lite which will contain the same graphics and models as the regular Premium client but downmix the textures to increase performance on lower end computers. We will however not pursue going to ShaderModel 3 as a minimum, at least for now. It's quite apparent that while an overwhelming majority has no problems with moving to ShaderModel 2, there are still quite a few (mostly laptop) users out there that cannot support ShaderModel 3 yet. We're going to continue monitoring hardware trends closely and will revise our plan on a regular basis." http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=617 Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.20 11:59:00 - [535] Originally by: Chen Mubai Perhaps I'm being a dufus, but is Premium Lite available for testing yet? I've just come form the test server patching page, but can't find any reference to my current holy grail. Is it elsewhere? Le Chen You aren't as I'm not sure it's clear in the devblogs. The current test build (for Singularity) has the new "Premium Lite" client included. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Doryd'oh	Posted - 2009.02.22 19:39:00 - [536] Edited by: Doryd''oh on 22/02/2009 19:41:16 As others probably noticed this comment was stupidly wrong. Revisited Wow's lich king and it does break the previous version... so this appears to be the new norm and XP is on the way... d'oh edit - btw win2k does technically work with wow but not correctly with missing textures and the likes, similar to my experiences on Singularity. Well, MS will be happy anyway. Originally by: Doryd'oh I have never played any other game where an expansion makes the original unplayable on the same hardware. The latest WoW expansion for example requires Win XP, but the requirements for all previous content didn't change. But you know, Iceland is not the home of financial geniuses. Upgrading my stuff so I can play your new version will allow me to play a whole lot of other games too, that I have been wanting to try but was incompatible with my OS. You could just make it so the new requirements are only necessary if you go into wormhole space, and leave the rest of it alone.
Johan Civire	Posted - 2009.02.24 02:19:00 - [537] After i read all off your post. 1 thing stays behind. Force to update a graphics engine! There is alot off reason to dont upgrade. But if the dont upgrade it, some people stay others will left. And thats will also by happend if it was reverse. So the know about this problem. The will try to make it work in older laptops and pc. If you play world of wacraft you know that the have change the graphics engine to a higher norm. But sneaky, Without any warn. So lets hope the make a options before starting eve (like world of wacraft) to change the engine or graphics option so you can change it before the game crash when trying to change it. Some day i will hunt you!
AK Archangel Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.01 16:44:00 - [538] i dont know what about ccp think , but i just cancel alt account which work on my old laptop since he cant support shaiders... Personaly i hate premium content , its useless overload for my video card (yes i have hi-end one but this *** little bit noise and hot)i dont need effects, details and other graphics ** for pvp and specialy for pve. Walking on station... well if i can kill some people i'm up for future upgrade.
Aurvundill Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.05 06:04:00 - [539] Edited by: Aurvundill on 05/03/2009 06:07:22 Those of you with laptop incompatibility it might be a good idea to try and find a copy of 3D-Analyze. It has the ability to force shaders to 1.1 - 1.4 for older cards, along with tweaking rendering settings. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_3D_analyze Quote: 3D Analyze is a software to emulate various 3D graphics such as shader 2.0 technology. Refer to the program website for further information or simply try your favorite search engine on the web. It has several options to emulate but is currently a very outdated software. Many find it useful in emulating grpahics that certain games require (when the user's graphics card simply doesnt support it). The website (mostly german from what i can tell) is http://www.tommti-systems.de/start.html However I'm not sure about the compatibility of it with EVE.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.03.05 21:06:00 - [540] Originally by: Aurvundill Edited by: Aurvundill on 05/03/2009 06:07:22 Those of you with laptop incompatibility it might be a good idea to try and find a copy of 3D-Analyze. It has the ability to force shaders to 1.1 - 1.4 for older cards, along with tweaking rendering settings. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_3D_analyze Quote: 3D Analyze is a software to emulate various 3D graphics such as shader 2.0 technology. Refer to the program website for further information or simply try your favorite search engine on the web. It has several options to emulate but is currently a very outdated software. Many find it useful in emulating grpahics that certain games require (when the user's graphics card simply doesnt support it). The website (mostly german from what i can tell) is http://www.tommti-systems.de/start.html However I'm not sure about the compatibility of it with EVE. Emulating SM2.0 probably isn't going to work - or if it does you'll be playing "Eve-Powerpoint". Emulate == "run the code on the CPU" This means that the people with those SM 1.0 and 1.4 cards, who will have PC's of a similar age will not only be trying to game on an older, single-core processor but that same processor will be trying to do the work of several (dozens of?) dedicated stream processors that later gfx cards have in them. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================

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