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Psihius
Caldari Atomic Scrapyard
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Posted - 2009.01.20 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: Psihius on 20/01/2009 07:51:09 I'm with previous user post.
I'm a new player, just 2 months in game (but quite experienced gamer in the past, grown-up now) and the more I read forum, the more I get he impression that official board is filled with trolls and trolls don't give a f**c about what is really happening - he can sit on a high-end PC and write that he is disappointed about SM model upgrade required. If you really want to get a good impression on what people think, read a few big user created EVE forums - I haven't seen many complaints about SM2 or SM3. Russian eve-ru.com for example haven't had few posts about not been able to run SM2 graphics, got some people who have laptops unable to run SM3 (yea, they play at work - they better be working ;) ), but most plan to upgrade them soon (Windows 7 or hardware is just to old to work on it). Really, today to get a SM3 card you need what? 50$? For 100$ card you will be able to run EVE Premium Lite for years.
P.S. I expect Premium full to upgrade it's graphics even more - Cosmos is great beauty, I'd really want EVE to be able to load a 9800/260GTX card to make it a beautiful game (and dual monitor support :) )
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Hi Lo
Faulty Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.20 08:24:00 -
[92]
I support this. Nice to see the ball and chains being cut loose on the possibilities of Eve. now lose the gigabit Ethernet and go infiniband on the cluster. My company bought us infiniband and cisco switches for the SAN cluster and it does not disappoint. Karl Kopalnia > omg Hi Lo is the name I use for all my gaming characters for 15 years--you're the one that took it :*( |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.20 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: zen kei I dont like your idea ...
First : the classic graphic are more beautiful than new ... You have really watch the new texture ? Less color, less light, all are less beautiful than classic. Check a little the amarr ship/station/... from classic to premium.
Er..I think you should be the one having your eyes checked, lol.
Some of the colour schemes are dissappointing (the Nighthawk is not black enough) but the level of detail and reflections from armour is excellent. I play Premium on my desktop and Classic on the laptop and Premium is definitely better. Classic looks like what it is - nearly ten year old technology with a few tweaks to remove some of the worst rough edges. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.20 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Borgholio
I actually got Seti@home running on a 386sx once. 3 years for a single work unit....got it down to 1 year by adding the optional 387 co-processor. That was fun. Yes, I'm a nerd.
Pure combination of Argh and Awesome. |
Shevar
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.20 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Meroko
You just eliminated 5/8 of my friends who are playing eve with this change in march... all of them if you discontinue shader 2.0 support.
they are not upgrading computers just for a game... since they are all adults with families and other priorities... and dont see point in forking over 300 dollars for a game they already pay 30 dollars plus (husband and wife teams 2 accounts min per household) to play.
(installation fees and stuff.. and no, they arent computer literate..so a technician has to do the power supply/other thing for them...and no, I dont know how to upgrade a power supply required for those vid cards SAFELY either...)
the people who prefers to keep a top of the line machine arent going to be the ones playing eve.
cant say thats true for all uber computer owners, but yeah.. eve is a slow paced game... and that says a lot in what will become the most likely scenario...
but yeah, these changes will cut out alot of casual players. (I guess mostly those who are parents, older and put less priority on gaming)
I feel sad now....
Srsly a second hand card with sm2 support and no PSU required upgrade costs roughly 10 dollars (getting a medium end 2 year old card is more then enough...). |
Fujiko MaXjolt
Caldari Templar Republic Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 09:37:00 -
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First, I love how you just asked us what would be acceptable - that's why i play eve for the fourth year running Second, does the fact that the textures on premium are fugly count as a concern ? (hello, navy mega with grey patches, ark with almost no red, etc) Personally, I play in classic because of this - even though my current machine has no problem running the premium client... |
Yiasa
KronDair
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Posted - 2009.01.20 10:10:00 -
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Omg people, stop complaining!, if u don't have sm 2.0 you can get a grapihcs card that does for less then 30 bucks that does sm 3.0 |
Vampiress
Minmatar Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.01.20 10:18:00 -
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in my computer eve crashed with 8800gt in random times in premium if i run 2 clients. so i have to use classic. if this problem stais with premium lite then it sucks ... |
Azuraito
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:04:00 -
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To lag or not to lag that is the Premium Lite question?
Enlighten us CCP, will the premium lite client be more laggy in fleet ops?
LaVista Vista for president! .
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Slab Drinklots
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:15:00 -
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Enough about the graphics, I want to hear about the new shiny internet spaceship toys we get!
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Scherbe
Caldari Dragon Clan Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Scherbe on 20/01/2009 11:18:35 The step to ShadeModel 2 is ok for me, BUT if you discontinue Support for ShadeModel 2 in Winter-Expansion i have to cancel the subscription for at least 2 or 3 accounts of my 4 accounts because i have only 1 pc currently capable of ShaderModel 3. My other 2 pcs only have ShaderModel 2 graphiccards. I don't have money to upgrade... oh wait, if i cancel the accounts i will have a lot of money, but do i want to support eve futher after this? ... ---------------------------------
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Squably
Minmatar Invenio Inceptum
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Scherbe Edited by: Scherbe on 20/01/2009 11:18:35 The step to ShadeModel 2 is ok for me, BUT if you discontinue Support for ShadeModel 2 in Winter-Expansion i have to cancel the subscription for at least 2 or 3 accounts of my 4 accounts because i have only 1 pc currently capable of ShaderModel 3. My other 2 pcs only have ShaderModel 2 graphiccards. I don't have money to upgrade... oh wait, if i cancel the accounts i will have a lot of money, but do i want to support eve futher after this? ...
Dude read the damn dev blog before posting will ya Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/01/2009 11:31:43
Originally by: Mika Meroko
but yeah, it seems CCP is narrowing down on the younger gamers who feel getting an uber-rig is a priority...
a 20$ card is considered uber now?
edit: I mean 10$, the 20$ card is SM3. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: Ix Forres
Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop is now junk.
Thanks a lot.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
If you're running a laptop without SM2, time to upgrade. My EeePC can do SM2.
I'm happy that you're happy. Do you have $2,000 for me to upgrade my laptop? Otherwise, this change sucks for many of us.
and EEEPC is a 200$ low end laptop.
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Baru NaRok
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:00:00 -
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Hi all.
What the...? I can't believe this discussion is really going on. Hardware that isn't capable of SM2? Sorry I have to say that but, that machines are from stone-age if you think in technological scale. Other MMORPGs never ever supported SM1 cards *cough* e.g. WoW *cough*. Also not further supporting/offering the classic client will result in better support for the Premium (Light/Lite/Delight ;)) version.
Greets, Baru
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lolie
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:05:00 -
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Hi CCP
Is the premium client officialy supported on Linux ?
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achoura
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:07:00 -
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Seems to be a fair bit of misconception about cards here, i mean people not knowing what their card supports but pc users using sm 1 cards (pc, not laptop) complaining about cost when you can, literally, get sm2 and bottom end sm3 cards for ú10-15...
also, to quite the blog "We're going to continue monitoring hardware trends closely and will revise our plan on a regular basis." how exactly does ccp do this? Last time i checked I'd never been asked for my hardware stats, nor has anyone i know. It seems strange that ccp would say this unless they're spying on me
Steam got around this problem years ago with their survey tool which is why their games run so well on most pc, even laptops. This thing i'm using right now will get around 12 fps on crysis set at low, a game built on the hardware data conveniently supplied to the developers by nividia, tf2 does a happy 50 because it was built with accurate data from the user base rather than the "this is our newest card wich were going to use game x/y/z to push onto people" data.
What's my point? Afew simple lines of code added to the client would give ccp a 100% accurate set of data showing the hardware spread across their user base, add afew more lines of code and it could warn people that the next patch their system won't be able to run eve. Perhaps better, knowing the exact hardware reduces guesswork for development staff and give simple targets for optimising code = better eve for everyone. |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:11:00 -
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Who are you! And what have you done with the REAL CCP?
This is either:
1- The culmination of a brilliant plan to stop support for classic EVE with a forced upgrade to SM 2 and minimal complaining from the community at large (possibly even an outpouring of love for CCP)
2- Genuine concern for the opinion of the customer base and a swift change of plans to be more supportive of the community.
Either way, good job keep it up.
As to those of you not in the position to upgrade to SM 2, get freaking REAL!!! Stop smoking for a month or collect all the spare change you get between now and March in a jar.
If you seriously can't swing that then...
Can I have your stuff?
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Hell March
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hell March on 20/01/2009 12:14:57 So! How am I supposed to run 5 clients from my old crap rig eh? x300 ati card and 1.5 gigs of ram and a 2.8 gig processor. Yes I do run 5 clients at the same time. Not fun when you get disconnected or crash by any means. Not to mention I have to start all the clients before actaully logging in each charecter or again I crash. So this beeing the case how much can I actaully strip eve down graphically? No I am not to well concerned with eye candy. I play games that are well past there age. Some of them go back 10 or even 15 years. Also how is this going to effect me running say just 1 client during large scale battles? If I cant run at least 4 clients at the same time then there goes a large source of my income which really kills my desire to even play. Most of the peple I am sure you read use multible accounts. Are we going to get alot of options to strip downt he graphics and i dont mean just hitting check marks. I used to play half life mods where I woudl run in 400x300 ona pentium 2 and from the games console I could tone down the texturing size to practailly nothing and I did to turning preety much all graphical features off. THing is I could still kill you just as easily even though my crosshair would take up half the screen LOL.
Basiclly I want to have as many options as absolutely possible to save on graphics cpu and any other system resource that I possibly can.
Also if you really consider most of the people complaining about the graphics switch are the 1's runnign multible clients such as myself |
Golden Gnu
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:12:00 -
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Thank you for keeping SM2 compatibility :) Please keep it as long as possible (Read: Always)
That just saved me a new computer, plus I'll have awesome models... pure cheer! |
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Zostera
Minmatar SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:29:00 -
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Thank you CCP.
Retaining support for shader model 2 means I can continue to enjoy EvE, since upgrading my PC would not be possible due to financial considerations.
On a side note it is interesting to see the level of flaming directed against those who have said they cannot afford to upgrade. Personally I live with a disability that means I am currently unable to work, I receive very little financial help and live off the savings I put away through many years of working hard and paying taxes.
My EvE subscription is my only "leisure" cost, and the value of entertainment received on a cost per hour basis is far less than probably any other thing I can think of.
I am pretty sure this is the case for many, many others.
So to those you that seem to enjoy flaming those less fortunate than yourselves, remember this before you post.
"There but for the grace of god go I"
Thank you CCP for listening to the many that enjoy your game, and will now continue to do so.
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Solanio
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Solanio If people just subscribed for a long period and now find out they cannot play after March 10th, will they get any reimbursements?
Still no answer to my question CCP. |
Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:39:00 -
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why do so many people want to play computer games and not get a computer or laptop capable of playing said computer games? I supose they'd like all computer games companies to make games to run with graphics that look like they come from the 80's?
Personally I like my games with pretty graphics and if they're that hard up they can't get a laptop or pc that'll run shader model 2 then look up something called swiftshader turns out it'll fake it for you and all you do is take a fps hit.
Personally I think ccp should scrap shader model 2 and move right up to 3 I want my games pretty damn it and yes it means I'll be getting a new graphics card for shader model 3 and yes I'm just as poor as the next guy.
Put nicly for the people who use laptops out of convience and not as their main playing platform apparently there is something called swiftshader that can emulate a shader model 2 graphics card, it'll mean a hit to your fps but all you need to do to not notice is take part in some huge fleet battles and it'll be just like normal :D |
Fujiko MaXjolt
Caldari Templar Republic Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Solanio
Originally by: Solanio If people just subscribed for a long period and now find out they cannot play after March 10th, will they get any reimbursements?
Still no answer to my question CCP.
Here, i'll answer for you : No. Never. Not ever. No.
You already played the time you paid for. You wouldn't go down to the store after they stopped selling your favorite candy-bar and expect a reimbursement for all the candy-bars you ever bought - now that you can't buy anymore ? Or would you.... |
Keiko Kobayashi
Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:55:00 -
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Actually, this will be interesting! Ever since I installed Premium, my three year old laptop canÆt run EVE on its native resolution (1680x1024) anymore, and I didnÆt want to run the classic client. Hopefully this æPremium LiteÆ setting will let me run on native resolution again, without too much loss of graphical detail. |
Keiko Kobayashi
Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Fujiko MaXjolt You already played the time you paid for. You wouldn't go down to the store after they stopped selling your favorite candy-bar and expect a reimbursement for all the candy-bars you ever bought - now that you can't buy anymore ? Or would you....
I think you missed the point ù you can buy game time in advance for many months. This is the time he is talking about, and wants reimbursed if he cannot play anymore due to increased system requirements, not the already used months of game time.
But IÆm sure if youÆre in this situation, after a call to support they will happily reimburse you, it wonÆt be many players who will be in this situation anyway. |
Desmont McCallock
Interstellar Enterprises of EVE
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Posted - 2009.01.20 13:13:00 -
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Well. As I am concerned, I have three Desktop PC's with the wicker carrying a GF6600GT, the middle one a GF7200 and the stronger a GF8500GT. As you all figured out this change on EVE classic client won't affect me at all. Now, as for the laptop users, come on... have you seen the prices on the market for one? Even I am thinking of buying one just for the fun of it. |
PJRiddick
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Posted - 2009.01.20 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/01/2009 11:31:43
Originally by: Mika Meroko
but yeah, it seems CCP is narrowing down on the younger gamers who feel getting an uber-rig is a priority...
a 20$ card is considered uber now?
edit: I mean 10$, the 20$ card is SM3.
Then why did i just pay $175.00 or there abouts for an ATI 3850 AGP? And yes i got it just for playing EVE along with the 32 inch LCD that is sitting on my desk!
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Keiko Kobayashi
Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Keiko Kobayashi on 20/01/2009 13:36:44 I bought a laptop for when I was studying abroad for a year (obviously I couldnÆt bring my desktop with me in the plane). Also, once you have a laptop, it seems kind of wasteful to buy a desktop as well (even though I have one now). So there are definitely good reasons for not owning a desktop. However that laptop, that I now have 3 years, can run shader model 3, soà
Admittedly, I bought the laptop version with Radeon Mobility graphics card, not the cheaper one with integrated graphics, but hey, everybody knows integrated graphics cards are not very suitable for games. |
Hidden Snake
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Posted - 2009.01.20 13:42:00 -
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well it doesn't matter you can run it on amiga if lag will kill it completely. faction warfare in blackrise is completely cripled by this as big fleet engangements always end up in complete lagstuck. SO PLEASE FIX THE LAG FIRST AND THEN SMACKTALK ABOUT HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS. This is the biggest bug of quantum rise. It was not so bad 2 months ago, but now it sucks. |
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