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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: zen kei
For me, remove premium graphic and let only classic !
But it is not all about you. CCP needs to pull in new players all the time because existing players quit all the time also.
And it is much easier to advertise a game which has good graphics where you can show around most beautiful screenshots.
And we all want that CCP can pay lots of developers to improve the gameplay, don't we? So they need new players, they need the shiny pictures at least to some degee.
Keeping the balance between going for pure profit and making Eve a cash-cow and spending either to much money into developing so that CCP goes bankrupt or focussing on such a small niche that Eve cannot survive is not an easy task.
At the moment I think CCP is doing okay, maybe a bit too focussed on their scrum stuff with their sprints so that they start living in a bubble, being a bit disconnected with Eve and the rest of the world...but hey! as long as they listen to the feedback they get all is good I guess
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ElMo's Ghost
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:07:00 -
[62]
Sadly the laptop (Mobility Radeon 7500) that I run my 2nd account on doesn't support SM2. Depending on how my desktop (Radeon X1950 Pro) runs two clients on separate monitors I might just bump down to one account.
It's really a shame because I liked having 2 accounts open while being able to watch both screens. I'm at a point in my life where I don't really need to be buying upgraded gaming computers. I suppose the graphics upgrade will finally help me decide whether or not I really should be paying for 2 accounts.
Overall I'm happy the devs listened to the posts on the last blog but still a bit sad that I'll be forced down to 1 account. Life goes on.
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:21:00 -
[63]
Well, i agree on moving to SM2.0, for the sake of laptop users that is.
But, if you are progressing on this road, i think its time now to think about a EVE-Lite Client for mobile platforms (mobile phone, netbooks, organizer, blackbarry, the new e-book readers or tablet pcs....)
Dont miss the trend guys, stay on top!
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Doublewhopper
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Doublewhopper on 19/01/2009 23:34:19
Originally by: TalonClark Well, i agree on moving to SM2.0, for the sake of laptop users that is.
But, if you are progressing on this road, i think its time now to think about a EVE-Lite Client for mobile platforms (mobile phone, netbooks, organizer, blackbarry, the new e-book readers or tablet pcs....)
Dont miss the trend guys, stay on top!
Seems you don't realize that they just killed their lightweight client, which used to run perfect on current generation netbooks and also tablet pcs.
Now the Lite client won't run on my tablet pc (geforce 4) and i think ccp will have angry netbook owners on their hand. On the paper netbooks support SM2, but i predict that they will perform at around 1-2 fps and their owners will be very loud on the forums...
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:35:00 -
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You just eliminated 5/8 of my friends who are playing eve with this change... all of them if you discontinue shader 2.0 support.
and for the record:
they are not upgrading computers just for a game... since they are all adults with families and other priorities... and dont see point in forking over 300 dollars (installation fees and stuff.. and no, they arent computer literate..so a technician has to do the power supply/other thing for them...)
but yeah, it seems CCP is narrowing down on the younger gamers who feel getting an uber-rig is a priority...
instead of keeping it accessible for everyone.
This WILL hurt subs in the long run.
I can honestly say, (my opinion)
the people who prefers to keep a top of the line machine arent going to be the ones playing eve.
again, my opinion and observation.
cant say thats true for all uber computer owners, but yeah.. eve is a slow paced game...
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Doublewhopper Edited by: Doublewhopper on 19/01/2009 23:34:19
Originally by: TalonClark Well, i agree on moving to SM2.0, for the sake of laptop users that is.
But, if you are progressing on this road, i think its time now to think about a EVE-Lite Client for mobile platforms (mobile phone, netbooks, organizer, blackbarry, the new e-book readers or tablet pcs....)
Dont miss the trend guys, stay on top!
Seems you don't realize that they just killed their lightweight client, which used to run perfect on current generation netbooks and also tablet pcs.
Now the Lite client won't run on my tablet pc (geforce 4) and i think ccp will have angry netbook owners on their hand. On the paper netbooks support SM2, but i predict that they will perform at around 1-2 fps and their owners will be very loud on the forums...
Oh i realize, thats why i said i'm glad they didnt move to SM3.0.
I'm all for the new mobile platforms, and thats why i think if they go for "high-end grafics" they should also make a 2nd client for mobile platforms, but not as the classic-client was, it should be a tool without 3d, for chat/skill change/market.
Thats the difference.
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Meroko I guess I wont be renewing my sub for my 3 remaining accounts either.
Can I have your stuff?
Seriously... Upgrading a PC to SM3 capability is 20$ - not 300... And I just got an answer from a friend of mine - he'll take the rig that I currently use as a server (worth about 100$) - add a new Graphics card and it's absolutely SM3 capable.
I don't think that EVE Lite will take much more resources than EVE Classic - people with an SM2 capable rig will even see an advancement in speed since the client will loose quite some weight. --- "Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign for a diseased mind." -Terry Pratchett |
Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.20 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 20/01/2009 00:05:36
Originally by: Katana Seiko
Originally by: Mika Meroko I guess I wont be renewing my sub for my 3 remaining accounts either.
Can I have your stuff?
Seriously... Upgrading a PC to SM3 capability is 20$ - not 300... And I just got an answer from a friend of mine - he'll take the rig that I currently use as a server (worth about 100$) - add a new Graphics card and it's absolutely SM3 capable.
I don't think that EVE Lite will take much more resources than EVE Classic - people with an SM2 capable rig will even see an advancement in speed since the client will loose quite some weight.
yes, you can have my stuff if my computer cant run the clients anymore.
will be playing with myself after March with a card that barely supports it.
if they move to 3.0. then I am out myself.
and no, not everybody knows how to install things correctly. so is about 300$ at futureshop to get a good card and have it installed.
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.20 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire FOR LOVE OF GOD - SAVE MY OVERVIEW SETTINGS. If i change from classic to premium whatever i DO NOT WANT TO SET UP ALL MY CHARACTER WINDOWS/OW SETTINGS AGAIN.
Thank you.
Dude, just back them up. ____________
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medecau
Gallente Super Bock Preta
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Posted - 2009.01.20 00:57:00 -
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Even though gma x3100 has sm4. i appreciate that ccp is willing to slow down on sm2.
also, make it faster and less prone to crashes on mac, please.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.20 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/01/2009 01:03:00 Instead of 2 clinet will be possible to make it all big download?
And then just turn down the graphics by click the SM number?
It just seems like only 2 texture maps have to use sm3, so if there was way to just make it part of the game, then you wouldn't have to develop 2 clients.
I can't help but wonder what might be stopping this from happening...
also you could just keep ambulation to SM3 only, I mean it's not like it's coming out at the end of the year :P |
Icecreamvan
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Posted - 2009.01.20 01:02:00 -
[72]
Well, I think this will make two of my three accounts useless.
Thanks.
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Saturous
Amarr Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.20 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Saturous on 20/01/2009 01:09:34 Oh! here is an idea,
Why not instead of cutting off more players to the universe by eyecandifying this game, still give them the option to play by keeping classic? As big as EVE is, there are other games with a much bigger fanbase (thy shall not mention for it is sin) that can afford to do it and not care, but it's obvious. All you're doing is kicking both your members and your 'milestone' in the teeth and saying 'laters!'
I'd, as a personal opinion, think it's slightly lazy. "We can't be bothered to add our eye candy to the classic version so we're cutting our work in half at the expense of fewer players, and fewer 'interested' people wanting to play because they can't run it and cannot afford to fork out money to play, A game.
It's the small things which would make all the difference to this game. Another example of laziness, why is it every time everyone ****ies their pants to the sound of "HICS!" and other new ships, it ends up being a ten minute job of grabbing an older model, adding a different colour and a newer name. PLEASE, stop using the same ship models OVER and OVER and OVER again, Moa > Eagle > Onyx. etc. It's irritating, you've got incredibly talented artists in CCP, which could slap a few polygons about on whatever program you use, and get some different models in store. I'm going to place bets that these 't3' ships are the same as the older ships, only you can take the Ferox's left in-symetrical wing off to stick it on the top instead.
Rant over.
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Lianti
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Posted - 2009.01.20 02:37:00 -
[74]
The only thing I'm really worried about now (have a SM 2.0 laptop), is the performance and visual quality of the low end graphics that will feature in the 'Lite' client. If you're just downscaling textures/meshes (and maybe even normal maps) you're likely going to end up with a far worse looking solution than the models and textures used in the Classic client, maybe even ending up with worse performance with the added shader effects.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:19:00 -
[75]
Big thumbs up from me. I'll buy you all a round of drinks if I ever make it out to Fanfest one of these years :) |
Mos7Wan7ed
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:26:00 -
[76]
i have one question... those players using premium lite.. will ambulation work for them? |
Nitinol
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:27:00 -
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Rather than having to handle multiple client versions, just put an option in the client that lets you render low LOD wireframes, with no textures or lighting effects.
This would be awesome, could achieve high FPS on crap computers, and would be reminiscent of asteroids.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
I know it sounds like a joke, but this is a serious suggestion - it would be awesome. I've actually been wishing for something like this since I started playing eve. |
Glen Morange
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Glen Morange on 20/01/2009 03:43:55 I would second both the call for a small utility to upload computer specs to CCP (This would allow you to have a sense of memory, processor, network device, and videocard). I would note that this will probably need to run on all supported OSes.
I would also love to see some lightweight method (this could be an api/web page) for updating your skill training.
I would also love to be able to hit up my (non-npc) corp chat ((s)irc would seem like an ideal gateway). I might even be willing to pay for this sort of feature. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Glen Morange I would second both the call for a small utility to upload computer specs to CCP (This would allow you to have a sense of memory, processor, network device, and videocard).
I'm honestly surprised the client doesn't do this already. I know WoW has sent computer spec / state information back to Blizzard for years (ostensibly to catch cheaters, but it'd be stupid to not use it to tweak the client and set performance minimums) and nobody really cares. |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:45:00 -
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Good idea. If people can't/don't want to update their computers past 2002 then they don't have to. All games have system requirements, this one's just got a bit more hefty. |
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Jack Hellbender
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:50:00 -
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So, when are we going to get the premium lite client to test on test server?
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:51:00 -
[82]
/me kicks his old XT-086.
Friggin' piece of crap! ----------
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.20 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nitinol Rather than having to handle multiple client versions, just put an option in the client that lets you render low LOD wireframes, with no textures or lighting effects.
This would be awesome, could achieve high FPS on crap computers, and would be reminiscent of asteroids.
I know it sounds like a joke, but this is a serious suggestion - it would be awesome. I've actually been wishing for something like this since I started playing eve.
I concur. ----------
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ElMo's Ghost
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.01.20 04:08:00 -
[84]
Edited by: ElMo''s Ghost on 20/01/2009 04:09:20
Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 20/01/2009 03:36:54 And SM2 cards are dirt cheap ($20), even SM2 laptops don't cost a whole hell of a lot (new EEEs are SM2 capable and only cost like $300 at the low end) - people who are affected to the point they have to quit have bigger issues IRL than EvE, IMO.
I'm sure I could afford a new laptop if I really wanted to. The problem is that I've already got 2 laptops that currently run Eve just fine but won't work at all after the patch. I don't want to buy yet another mediocre computer that will be made obsolete as soon as CCP decides to upgrade the graphics engine again.
I'm not going to emo rage quit. I will just cancel one account and switch to a single account running on my desktop. The reason I'm complaining is because this change will reduce the enjoyment that I will get from Eve by forcing me to run one account or to frequently upgrade my hardware.
Also I support Even in Astroids form. Wireframe would solve most of my gripes.
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Miss IskDigger
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Posted - 2009.01.20 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: ElMo's Ghost Edited by: ElMo''s Ghost on 20/01/2009 04:09:20
Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 20/01/2009 03:36:54 And SM2 cards are dirt cheap ($20), even SM2 laptops don't cost a whole hell of a lot (new EEEs are SM2 capable and only cost like $300 at the low end) - people who are affected to the point they have to quit have bigger issues IRL than EvE, IMO.
I'm sure I could afford a new laptop if I really wanted to. The problem is that I've already got 2 laptops that currently run Eve just fine but won't work at all after the patch. I don't want to buy yet another mediocre computer that will be made obsolete as soon as CCP decides to upgrade the graphics engine again.
I'm not going to emo rage quit. I will just cancel one account and switch to a single account running on my desktop. The reason I'm complaining is because this change will reduce the enjoyment that I will get from Eve by forcing me to run one account or to frequently upgrade my hardware.
Also I support Even in Astroids form. Wireframe would solve most of my gripes.
Under that logic we should be on 386's running MS-Dos and playing pong. Video games have always pushed the system requirements further to keep the interest of people. EVE might be a bit different that your favorite brand of FPS but it too much move forward.
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ElMo's Ghost
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.01.20 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Miss IskDigger
Under that logic we should be on 386's running MS-Dos and playing pong. Video games have always pushed the system requirements further to keep the interest of people. EVE might be a bit different that your favorite brand of FPS but it too much move forward.
No, under my logic we should still be able to play pong on a 386... |
Ephemeral Waves
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.01.20 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop is now junk.
Thanks a lot.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
If you're running a laptop without SM2, time to upgrade. My EeePC can do SM2.
I'm happy that you're happy. Do you have $2,000 for me to upgrade my laptop? Otherwise, this change sucks for many of us.
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corElement
hirr
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Posted - 2009.01.20 05:57:00 -
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Dear CCP
The move to min sm2 is a good choice because there are people with medium quality hardware which run sm3 badly but run sm2 very well.
So my suggestion is that please try and push maximum performance out of the lite version using sm3 models without making it look as old as classic.
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Borgholio
Minmatar Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2009.01.20 06:41:00 -
[89]
Originally by: ElMo's Ghost
Originally by: Miss IskDigger
Under that logic we should be on 386's running MS-Dos and playing pong. Video games have always pushed the system requirements further to keep the interest of people. EVE might be a bit different that your favorite brand of FPS but it too much move forward.
No, under my logic we should still be able to play pong on a 386...
I actually got Seti@home running on a 386sx once. 3 years for a single work unit....got it down to 1 year by adding the optional 387 co-processor. That was fun. Yes, I'm a nerd. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Lisaveta Ivanovna
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Posted - 2009.01.20 07:14:00 -
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I'm not sure about what to think about these changes yet, however I do have a suggestion which may or may not have been suggested many times:
-Some kind of chat, market, skill changing, map client. Make it a text-based terminal if you have to, but something to help the eve junkies log into their world remotely to some degree. (by remotely, I mean away from our home 'Control Center')
My main beef here is with this l337 eve community who troll every CCP update with "Fail" as if this were a bloody YouTube video. It seems that most of the people who threatened to quit playing EVE when they said they were going to in a juvenile attempt to get CCP to change their mind (as if anyone cares), are right back here at the next update pitching the same fit every subsequent update later. EVE is the only mmo I'd ever seriously consider playing because no other mmo even grazes the sheer amount of complexity and depth that EVE has. On top of that, EVE is the ultimate dynamic environment. CCP has always been adding, removing and modifying mass amounts of critical content to the game to even the fields, provide more stimulation and even dimentions to the game. Every change that has come along has been met with SO much opposition in these forums and in-game discussions, but yet for the most part, EVE continues to maintain a huge group of long-time loyal subscribers who continue playing it despite their pre-pubescent ways of showing disapproval. IMHO, I see ccp as artists who don't compromise a 'good-idea' with what the consumer says he wants. They make their game exactly the way they see it in their minds, and the consumers flock to it because it surpasses their original expectations. So even though I may never get the dual-client thing down, and I may need to spend $20 on a new video card for my old computer on ebay, I will be enjoying the update like most of you. |
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