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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 28/05/2010 19:39:46
I can't wait to see all the new outposts pop up all over nullsec after a bit. Would be interesting to see exactly how many are in the build queue right now.
Originally by: Grozen The only profit i see is for people who plan and can deploy station.
/glances at all those newly founded empires in nullsec that still can't be fought over to take out the tcu. Now with added outpost for all!
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: mentaker Im sorry for being a total noob... but how exactly do you get 'cheaper outposts' out of this becouse i really dont get what's going on...
Can someone kindly explane please
Because ccp put the cart full of pi goodies to make stuff in front of the horse that was supposed to bring it to you. As in you were not supposed to be able to manufacture using any of the new pi stuff till after the command centers and such were seeded. So now people are refining certain market items to get all the pi stuff they need to make stuff they are not supposed to be making yet. Hilarity ensued.
Which brings us back to CCP doing, whatever they are doing without consulting whatever internal departments involved, like, hey we scratch(put on hold) this for 2 weeks and whee, we'll just forget about notifying the rest of the scrum group we put this on hold so they should put whatever they are working on on hold too.
No, instead we make a giant mess of this patch which delivers nothing, PI wise as promised by last fanfest, whil we **** up PI market seeding and then in the end have to cover up for it somehow.
Message to CCP, stop using scrum you fail at it
terribly
I don't think it is strange, at all, Nathan is hiding.
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AkJon Ferguson
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:45:00 -
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So did CCP 'fix' this already? I just bought a moon harvesting thingie and even though it's supposed to take 1 capital construction parts and a bunch of cheap junk to manufacture, it's only offering me the cheap junk if I reprocess it.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson So did CCP 'fix' this already? I just bought a moon harvesting thingie and even though it's supposed to take 1 capital construction parts and a bunch of cheap junk to manufacture, it's only offering me the cheap junk if I reprocess it.
That junk isn't supposed to be cheap. That's the problem here.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/05/2010 19:54:58
Originally by: Malcanis This thread delivers. I hope Angelina Jolie plays Akita when they make the film.
Nu-uh ! It should be Ryan Reynolds, in drag And the movie should be called "The Crying Game 2 : Wall Street".
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:18:00 -
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I'm not thirsty now.
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:26:00 -
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also it's amazing how much Akita T can ***** for attention without getting called for it
he's got like 5 threads in 3 sections regarding this & people jerking him off for discovering it, when it was clear in the earlier threads he didn't create that he was slow to the game
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IVeige
Caldari IVever.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:27:00 -
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never thought i would say that, but now i miss dominion
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Celeste on 28/05/2010 20:35:20
Originally by: Serpents smile
Message to CCP, stop using scrum you fail at it
terribly
I don't think it is strange, at all, Nathan is hiding.
I see this a lot in software companies, they claim rapid development or whatever they call it, but in reality it is just an excuse for people to **** around and not follow any procedures.
Just look at that video where they show the workplace. Such a cool place to work at and goof off.
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberizzle also it's amazing how much Akita T can ***** for attention without getting called for it
he's got like 5 threads in 3 sections regarding this & people jerking him off for discovering it, when it was clear in the earlier threads he didn't create that he was slow to the game
He's more an asset to this community than you are BEAT IT
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar 3D Salvage and Acquisitions
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:46:00 -
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And I waited 8 months for this.. We need a rollback
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Vitamin B12
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:50:00 -
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whats the problem? ban them for using an exploit and go on. its so a small amount of player. nobody will notice and new eden is again perfect.
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Schmalcolm
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dawne Xi And I waited 8 months for this.. We need a rollback
I tend to agree. Basically what it boils down to now is who has more ISK to invest in POS mods to melt down. Not many people will want to get on a business where a person has a HUGE head start simply because they have more ISK.
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tiberizzle on 28/05/2010 21:03:12
Originally by: JitaBum
Originally by: Tiberizzle also it's amazing how much Akita T can ***** for attention without getting called for it
he's got like 5 threads in 3 sections regarding this & people jerking him off for discovering it, when it was clear in the earlier threads he didn't create that he was slow to the game
He's more an asset to this community than you are BEAT IT
right, it's a good thing he's reposted what was originally noted in someone elses' thread on the same topic across three sections and bumped them at 15 minute intervals, linking it in every other thread on the topic, otherwise we might mistake someone other than him as the originator of this trivial set of projections... what a noble spirit.
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:00:00 -
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@ anyone making judgment calls about how bad CCP is to 'allow' this 'thing' to happen: You don't work there, you don't know how they work internally, chances are that most CCP employees don't know exactly where it all went wrong, they probably won't tell you. If CCP ever makes an official statement about the cause of this 'thing', take it with a grain of salt, companies (no matter how nice) tend to 'simplify' their official statements for their customers. Some will flat out lie, others will leave things out, or explain a problem so that simple folk (that are us MMO players) while simplifying all accuracy gets lost. Anyone complaining, shut up! The one without fault still has to be born...
@ anyone making Akita T out to be a hero: Don't, chances are he noticed the opportunity to late or judged it to risky (guessing at possible CCP intervention) to use it himself. Not wanting his competition to profit from it either, he made sure everyone knew about it so that CCP will be 'forced' to take action, and reaping a bit of glory along the way. This is MD warfare, screw the competition by public opinion.
Using an exploit is a banable offense, CCP employees have repeatedly stated that it isn't an exploit, so you shouldn't be banned for using it. That said, one Dev (a very important one at that) warned us that investing isk in the 'scheme' isn't wise, so you can't blame anyone went the sky falls. With patches can come significant changes, so investments made prior the patch can get screwed royally, the 8th of June is another patch day. Guess what's going to happen... *grins evilly*
If there are folks that have made a killing in the mean time, that's good for them, they made a bet with some very serious risks and won. That's what EVE is all about! Nagging the grown up that you didn't get ice cream and others did, is well... Egotistical, be happy for someone else his fortune, it isn't hurting you (directly)! CCPs main concern should be making PI fun, fun in this case is reasonably profitable, and not trying to make everyone happy by screwing those who recently made a profit...
btw. I didn't jump on the PI4 boat, I checked it out and found it to risky for my tastes, with the isk I have I can make more isk in a more dependable way in the given time frame.
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Argo Pyxis
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste Edited by: Steve Celeste on 28/05/2010 20:35:20
Originally by: Serpents smile
snip scrum wardec
I see this a lot in software companies, they claim rapid development or whatever they call it, but in reality it is just an excuse for people to **** around and not follow any procedures.
IRL I work under the agile/scrum scheme day in and day out. The development side of my company had been using it for years. Recently, the operations side was made to adopt it as well. Scrum teams were formed, sprints formulated, user stories submitted, and walls worked.
Being on the operations side, where we not only do long-term projects, we're also very reaction oriented, which is the basic nature of being in a operations environment. If something breaks, you just can't create a user story and schedule it for the next sprint... it's gotta be addressed and worked on right now.
And therein lies the problem with scrum when it comes to turning on a dime in a interrupt-driven environment. Scrum is very inflexible here, and when everyone (or one person in charge of a widget) needs to drop the scrum-maintained project to fix something right now, it throws the whole scrum/sprint schedule out of whack... usually for just that person or small group... but sometimes the problem is big enough that it's a all-hands-on-deck situation and all those user stories being worked on come to a screeching halt... and if those user stories affect the non-interrupt-driven developers, they throw a fit.
Anyway, I'm not speculating at what's going on in CCP-land right now regarding this specific issue (I hesitate to call it a problem) but scrum issues or no, they're probably considering both the impact of halting this practice, as well as the impact of just letting it go. If they choose to halt it, then they would have to continue on and consider if any punitive measures need to be taken against players.
Note I use the term "punitive" here... I'm of the belief that, regardless as to whether this was a mistake or intentional, that the reprocessing of NPC goods to P4 items was and still is, at the end of the day, permitted. If they shut this ability down, then any further action they might take against those who have reprocessed would indeed be punitive, and IMO unwarranted and heavy-handed. It's not like those who have engaged in this have a permanent advantage in-game. Eventually PI will fully bloom and the P4 items will be manufactured and sold as originally intended... and be so on into the indefinite future. This one week advantage will be just that, and any market effects of this advantage will be nulled out as time quickly progresses.
/AP
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach @ anyone making Akita T out to be a hero: Don't, chances are he noticed the opportunity to late or judged it to risky (guessing at possible CCP intervention) to use it himself. Not wanting his competition to profit from it either, he made sure everyone knew about it so that CCP will be 'forced' to take action, and reaping a bit of glory along the way. This is MD warfare, screw the competition by public opinion.
lol
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder Its kinda funny to see several people trying to defend the actions made to profit from a bug.
Oh.. If only i worked at CCP...
You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userĘs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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wakalaka
Information And Entropy
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:13:00 -
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300B isk sink at the moment into POS modules looking at market graphs, *just in The Forge*.
A shame for the lack of capital parts around New Eden, and the added FUD (it's a bug, but it's not exploit, we'll do something, but we don't know yet or when, but be a fool if you continue pulling isk into it).
Probably the great winners will be the ones who are already building their stuff, if we are to believe CCP words of fear (who wouldn't).
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/05/2010 21:16:01
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Cergorach @ anyone making Akita T out to be a hero: Don't, chances are he noticed the opportunity to late or judged it to risky (guessing at possible CCP intervention) to use it himself. Not wanting his competition to profit from it either, he made sure everyone knew about it so that CCP will be 'forced' to take action, and reaping a bit of glory along the way. This is MD warfare, screw the competition by public opinion.
lol
Well, he was almost spot on with his remark. I pretty much said just that over in the MD thread opening few posts.
Originally by: Tiberizzle also it's amazing how much Akita T can ***** for attention without getting called for it
Yes, yes, because this is a "look at me, I'm awesome" thread as opposed to "the expansion is screwed" thread, right ?
Quote: he's got like 5 threads in 3 sections regarding this
Try 2 threads in 2 subforums, this one here started as a "why are there P4s on the market" thread, the other one in MD over "the economic implications of the oversight" when it became obvious what was going on.
Quote: & people jerking him off for discovering it, when it was clear in the earlier threads he didn't create that he was slow to the game
Right, and me flat out saying EXACTLY THIS just a short while before, and also editing it into the OP so you see it early is me seeking to claim I did it, amirite ?
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:23:00 -
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Look, CCP is not panicking, and whatever action they take with this, they seem to want to go through the normal approval process with it (which takes a while). So, honestly, I really really doubt that their reaction will be FU exploiters, especially if you also consider that you can't fault the playerbase for doing what is in its character to do (go for the easy profit). They can't praise suicide-ganking, corp theft, and other get-rich-quick schemes, and then be angry when players take advantage of an opportunity that they put in the game. They can call it an exploit if they want to (they didn't in this case), but they can't be angry about it.
So, anyway, as a result, the fix will let PI people get valuable materials from the planets, and at the same time the current stocks will be left in the players' hangars. They won't roll back servers, and they will not delete stuff, no matter how hard y'all cry for it.
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:31:00 -
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If CCP would let all the stockpiles of POSes, Outposts and POS mods be left alone in peoples hangars. The supply would last a looong time.
There would basicly only be POS fuel left to produce at a decent profit with PI and the subsequent supply and competition will make sure fuel is gonna get dirt cheap aswell.
Oh well, I guess anybody planning on setting up and running a few POSes will be happy
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: mental maverick If CCP would let all the stockpiles of POSes, Outposts and POS mods be left alone in peoples hangars. The supply would last a looong time.
Not necessarily. If they do the "x10 trick" that was mentioned several times already, then the only ubercheap things will be the ones that were put into manufacture BEFORE the change, which, needless to say, aren't THAT many (thank god you didn't get capital construction parts in the reprocess too). Practically, it would be as if they deleted 9/10 of the PI-P4 stuff, without actually deleting it. If they do it soon enough (as opposed to taking their sweet, sweet time), they could seriously limit the extent/severity of the profiteering.
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:42:00 -
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Yeah, i've been folowing the 2 threads and seen that suggestion but isnt that the problem currently? That they are infact taking their sweet sweet time to do anything...
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OSGOD
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: OSGOD on 28/05/2010 21:48:53 may i ask when planets are gonna be reseeded or is everybody on this post from oil companies and you gonna start pumping sea water into ur pi wells to bring last of the goodies to the surface, what is it 28k odd planets not many resources and every kid on the block being sucked in bye ccp to train new skills hehehe LMFAO, hehe cant wait to see what happens when planet resources are drained what a good social experiment
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Faye LaFrege
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:51:00 -
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You know,I still havent been in a wormhole.
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OSGOD
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: OSGOD on 28/05/2010 21:55:02 WH`s got ripped of thier for 130 bucks a year 2 cantsee PI being any diff
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/05/2010 21:57:16
Originally by: mental maverick Yeah, i've been folowing the 2 threads and seen that suggestion but isnt that the problem currently? That they are infact taking their sweet sweet time to do anything...
Well, even if they wait until June 8, there are only so many POS/sov/outpost thingies you can put into production before then... with CCPs being the main limiting factor right now (and prices for them skyrocketing).
So, either way, even if they do the "x10 trick" only by June 8, while there will be some "damage" already done, it will be relatively short-lived, probably lasting a month or so tops (if even that much, since, hey, why sell the stuff you got cheap at a low price if nobody can make it that cheap anymore), as opposed to (potentially) affecting PI and corresponding market for years to come.
Sidenote : you can build at most around 1k CCPs per fully skilled industrial character using ME:0/PE:0 blueprints, at a material cost of ~5 mil if you buy from mineral sell orders, but you need 10++ bil worth of BPOs (or enough soon-to-be-very-expensive BPCs) to do that... still, they sell for as much as 15 mil already, so by the time the scandal's over (assuming it will only be over on June 8 when PI goes live and _probably_ all NPC sell orders will stop), assuming they keep on selling at that price level, the BPOs would have already paid for themselves... and they'll continue to be marginally useful later on anyway (too many potential producers by then to make a decent margin, but you would have already recovered your investment). Of course, it's unlikely that pricepoint for CCPs will remain so high, and there will almost certainly be an overabundance of people trying to unload CCP BPOs after that, so, meh, also pretty risky to try that move (as in, yeah, it's likely you will come out ahead ISK-wise, but not by THAT much). Meanwhile, a lot of ISK would have been sunk out of the EVE economy
Originally by: OSGOD hehe cant wait to see what happens when planet resources are drained
Yeah, that'll happen the day after all asteroid belts are permanently drained. Meaning, never. Since, you know, both are periodically replenished.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:59:00 -
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If you look at all the other items besides those few and compare them they scale fairly well between current npc price and amount of materials used caldari large tower uses about double adv lab materials and triple mobile lab price would be 360 mill 300 mill 270 mill towers etc could always be reprocessed. In my opinion this has been on test server a long time I'm sure whoever set reprocessing etc could use a spreadsheet if this was unintended should have been noticed by 1st person/team setting up bp's/reprocessing amounts 2nd Whoever is next in chain for approval last QA before release
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:02:00 -
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Hmm, took a look at the Forge market and CCPs and read your latest post Akita. And it turns out your right, as usual Gotto learn to investigate better before I start plinking on my keyboard...
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