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Howie Diddit
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:20:00 -
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Current situation in EVE pvp....when you can't beat 10 hostile ships (BS, BC, HAC's, you get the picture) or just don't feel like participating in the sport of pvp, load your titan character and DD that gang.
Is this what Titan's are supposed to be all about? Ruining the game for those not involved in non-cap fleets? What is the cost to DD? Not much currently. If CCP doesn't want to get rid of Titans (imho, they should or at least diminish their DD or their tank a bit), then what about a higher cost to activate a DD? Maybe 1-2 billion isk? The isk goes directly to CCP...no player in game gets it. The isk disappears, as well as any ships that get blown up. Maybe some titan pilots would think different of activating a DD, if the cost was higher. Either way...get a grip on it CCP, it is ridiculous and ruining the game for those of us that have no interest in Titans.
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BrysonBennington
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:37:00 -
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It's not ruining the game for me, I run in high sector and venture into 0.0 space from time to time. I have once come across this DD, so it is not ruiningthe game for me. Perhaps a nice mining barge in 1.0 is what you need to eleviate the problem.
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Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Howie Diddit
Current situation in EVE pvp....when you can't beat 10 hostile ships (BS, BC, HAC's, you get the picture) or just don't feel like participating in the sport of pvp, load your titan character and DD that gang.
Is this what Titan's are supposed to be all about? Ruining the game for those not involved in non-cap fleets? What is the cost to DD? Not much currently. If CCP doesn't want to get rid of Titans (imho, they should or at least diminish their DD or their tank a bit), then what about a higher cost to activate a DD? Maybe 1-2 billion isk? The isk goes directly to CCP...no player in game gets it. The isk disappears, as well as any ships that get blown up. Maybe some titan pilots would think different of activating a DD, if the cost was higher. Either way...get a grip on it CCP, it is ridiculous and ruining the game for those of us that have no interest in Titans.
ccp controls the fuel market c/d?
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eliminator2
Gallente
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Howie Diddit
Current situation in EVE pvp....when you can't beat 10 hostile ships (BS, BC, HAC's, you get the picture) or just don't feel like participating in the sport of pvp, load your titan character and DD that gang.
Is this what Titan's are supposed to be all about? Ruining the game for those not involved in non-cap fleets? What is the cost to DD? Not much currently. If CCP doesn't want to get rid of Titans (imho, they should or at least diminish their DD or their tank a bit), then what about a higher cost to activate a DD? Maybe 1-2 billion isk? The isk goes directly to CCP...no player in game gets it. The isk disappears, as well as any ships that get blown up. Maybe some titan pilots would think different of activating a DD, if the cost was higher. Either way...get a grip on it CCP, it is ridiculous and ruining the game for those of us that have no interest in Titans.
Titans only come out in 0.0 massive cap fights and when they DD they dont kill all bs bc and stuff since you can survive one fairly easy
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203
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:50:00 -
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See here.
I'm tired of it.
It's all fun and Games 'till someone's broke :)
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Gantor Tesla
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Posted - 2009.02.26 22:23:00 -
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*Disclaimer - Sarcasm*
How dare they spend MONTHS training for a weapon that hits EVERYONE including their fleet and risk multiple BILLIONS of isk to pop less than a billion worth of ships.
Seriously, get over it. If titans are so easy, why don't you log YOUR titan alt in and have it out with them. 
As far as I'm concerned this is another "WAAHHHHH I CANT JUST PWN EVERYTHING" thread. There is no trump card in EVE. Titans are hard to beat but far from impossible. One was even blown up by a fleet of SUB-CAPITALS! Get over it.
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Elysium Prime
Caldari
Stormlord Battleforce
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Howie Diddit
Current situation in EVE pvp....when you can't beat 10 hostile ships (BS, BC, HAC's, you get the picture) or just don't feel like participating in the sport of pvp, load your titan character and DD that gang.
Is this what Titan's are supposed to be all about? Ruining the game for those not involved in non-cap fleets? What is the cost to DD? Not much currently. If CCP doesn't want to get rid of Titans (imho, they should or at least diminish their DD or their tank a bit), then what about a higher cost to activate a DD? Maybe 1-2 billion isk? The isk goes directly to CCP...no player in game gets it. The isk disappears, as well as any ships that get blown up. Maybe some titan pilots would think different of activating a DD, if the cost was higher. Either way...get a grip on it CCP, it is ridiculous and ruining the game for those of us that have no interest in Titans.
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I agree , I dont think the best ships in the games main roll should be "flying bomb" its stupid realy. They should be usable in MANY way not just for DD
Imo DD isnt that bad ounly when they do it with 2+ titans it get you thinking it might be slightly abused.
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
Titans only come out in 0.0 massive cap fights and when they DD they dont kill all bs bc and stuff since you can survive one fairly easy
You sir, are incorrect. As titans become more and more common, it's not strange to see a bored titan pilot cyno onto a small roaming gang. They rarely come into cap fights because a) they can't kill caps, and b) sieged dreads **** titans. They hit the support fleets of capitals, usually double or triple (or qaudruple) DDDing the grid. Yeah, you can tank a BS to survive 1, maybe 2, of the same damage type DD. But beyond that, you're screwed.
Also, let's make another titan thread. 
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swisher
Caldari
Mentis Fidelis
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.02.27 09:58:00 -
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I lol'd.
So CCP is going to take power away from these people that have given CCP years and years of subscriptions and have invested millions of sp on training for a ship they can't leave, and have to have an alliance backing just to protect? I think not.
If it helps, think of it as an isk equation. 1 titan character: 20+ billion isk on the bazaar + 1 titan, which is what, another 50 billion?
Your rag-tag group of 10 probably 3-5 billion isk characters and probably less than a billion in ships doesn't even come close, and you expect to survive?
Having a 'fee' as you stated to activate DD would defeat the multi-billion isk risk of building a titan as an alliance. Titans are meant to be a deterrent to smaller gangs from entering your systems - and if you've ever tried moving a titan, you would know they are almost not worth the effort on the long-range offensive, if so they will normally be moved ahead of time because of their short jump range.
/swisher starts training capital ships 5 because of this post.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.27 11:19:00 -
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Titan pilots get bored too, and hot dropping is nothing new. You go to their space to have fun and play with them, they bite back in the only way they know how.
Quit whining and suck it up. Those of us who love to roam know that Capitals Online ruined Eve, but hey - they're not going to change it now.
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.02.27 11:52:00 -
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Percentage of fleets killed with other fleets: ?
Percentage of fleets sucessfully dded: ?
Fill above
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:27:00 -
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Anyone who think's DD's are fine is in kidding themselves.
Personally I think they need to work more like a mother ship's remote ecm burst.
A bomb projector maybe, but no delay on detonation.
Titans should be able to bring large amounts of pain, not instant death.
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.02.27 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Anyone who think's DD's are fine is in kidding themselves.
Personally I think they need to work more like a mother ship's remote ecm burst.
A bomb projector maybe, but no delay on detonation.
Titans should be able to bring large amounts of pain, not instant death.
Most fleet setups can tank dd, especialy hictors which will end in titans death.
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Solid Prefekt
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.28 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
Titans only come out in 0.0 massive cap fights and when they DD they dont kill all bs bc and stuff since you can survive one fairly easy
I can say from personal experience that this is flat out wrong. Titans have no problem using their doomsday on a 10 man roaming gang. It makes it very difficult to go certain places with a small/medium roaming gang because of this. And as each month passes more and more people are getting Titans making it ever so harder to have some good old fashion roams without fear of a DD.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.01 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Most fleet setups can tank dd, especialy hictors which will end in titans death.
Some ships can tank a DD. So they drop a second titan. I don't know many that can tank 2 DD's.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.01 11:43:00 -
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Kenny said long ago that DD are fine and if there needs to be any change made, then the DD damage should be increased, since it is too easy to tank and eve needs an anti blob weapon.
Who am I to argue against so much accumulated wisdom.
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Howie Diddit
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:33:00 -
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A few interestng responses here.
It is a long-shot at best, that CCP will take the Titan out of this game. One reply suggests that it is ridiculous to think that could happen, as all the time/isk involved in training/purchasing Titans. Well to this I respond..What about all the time and isk spent on training/time in game/etc for those that have no interest in CAP fights, just enjoy the small to medium sized fights in 0.0, that get DD because of either lack of skill to combat (what REAL game skill to push the DD?) or just don't feel like it. This ruins the game. If CCP is concerned about losing Titan pilots (wondering what their numbers are), maybe they should look at the other side of the fence....those that aren't Titan pilots.
A more logical change would be for CCP to charge actual ISK for a DD activation. The isk would be sent directly to CCP and would just be taken out of the "EVE" economy. This wouldn't be so bad either. If the price was 1-2b per activation (still a pittance to the uber Titan pilots that have trained so ferverishly to fly titans AND can afford one ), it might solve the problem of the ridiculous "I-win" button being activated, when it isn't really warranted. Do I feel bad for the Titan pilot, that chooses to train all this time and spends the isk (where and however they get it) on a ship that is essentially never left? No...they choose to do it. Just don't penalize the rest of EVE, because they don't like the conventional PVP. It is what many of us play the game for....this should concern CCP the most.
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Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Howie Diddit
A few interestng responses here.
It is a long-shot at best, that CCP will take the Titan out of this game. One reply suggests that it is ridiculous to think that could happen, as all the time/isk involved in training/purchasing Titans. Well to this I respond..What about all the time and isk spent on training/time in game/etc for those that have no interest in CAP fights, just enjoy the small to medium sized fights in 0.0, that get DD because of either lack of skill to combat (what REAL game skill to push the DD?) or just don't feel like it. This ruins the game. If CCP is concerned about losing Titan pilots (wondering what their numbers are), maybe they should look at the other side of the fence....those that aren't Titan pilots.
A more logical change would be for CCP to charge actual ISK for a DD activation. The isk would be sent directly to CCP and would just be taken out of the "EVE" economy. This wouldn't be so bad either. If the price was 1-2b per activation (still a pittance to the uber Titan pilots that have trained so ferverishly to fly titans AND can afford one ), it might solve the problem of the ridiculous "I-win" button being activated, when it isn't really warranted. Do I feel bad for the Titan pilot, that chooses to train all this time and spends the isk (where and however they get it) on a ship that is essentially never left? No...they choose to do it. Just don't penalize the rest of EVE, because they don't like the conventional PVP. It is what many of us play the game for....this should concern CCP the most.
Confirming that EVE has been dying since titans were introduced oh wait
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Bonny Lee
Caldari
The Guardian Agency
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.03 07:37:00 -
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Titans will become a greater problem when time goes by.
If every bigger alliance is able to cyno-jam their systems and
field 20+ titans the time of conquering space will be gone without
those metagaming ;)
"Oh you want to invade Delve again.. whait 1 Year until we get
a spy into the director positon..."
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Sigras
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Posted - 2009.03.03 10:35:00 -
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does anyone remember when dreads were rare? the day titans become as common as dreads = the day sub capital ships become useless in 0.0
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.03 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras
does anyone remember when dreads were rare? the day titans become as common as dreads = the day sub capital ships become useless in 0.0
So what ? I see this as simple evolution.
In the beginigs there were frigs, later cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships and now capitals. Bigger and bigger guns coming all the time as everyones army is getting stronger and stronger.
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Howie Diddit
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:24:00 -
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I guess since I started this post here, I'll direct back to what the problem is....it has nothing to do with evolution of ships getting bigger. It has to do with ONE ship that is WAY overpowered in this game. The RICH have them and don't want to conventional PVP any longer. Myself and many others (hmmm....wonder what the ratio of titan pilots to pilots that are happy w/conventional pvp are), have no interest in them, whatsoever. I wasn't in this game in 2003, so someone chime in on whether or not there were BS or BC in the game then. I'd be surprised if there wasn't. I have a difficult time believing that the Titan was designed to shut down conventional PVP...more that it was designed as a Super-Cap, to fight against other CAP fleets and their support.
If some don't want to get away from Titans (again, I think they are bad for the game), at least help those of us that prefer to do pvp and make it much less affordable to DD, without thinking about it. I price, like I said of 1-2b per DD, would make most think again on whether or not they want to do it.
I see the current use of Titans the same as the Nano-Phoons and domis that everyone was complaining about a bit ago. CCP changed it...it wasn't good for the game. Wouldn't a Titan be similar to using something other than a conventional bomb? Is it really practical that they are allowed to do this as often as they do? NO!! It is ridiculous actually.
Again....a higher tax or cost per DD is one way to get this under control.
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Marcus Right
Minmatar
Pilots of Damnation
PHOENIX.
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:35:00 -
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Titans are not as powerful as you let on, and they're very costly at that. Titans are so valuable that they can't be used willy-nilly or they're risked being lost.
If someone can setup a Interdictor ("Light" Interdictor!) to tank a Titan, than I think they're hardly worth crying about.
Sure, sure, sure a properly used Titan can make a battle, but the same can be said for any ship in Eve.
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Howie Diddit
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:49:00 -
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Wrongo Marcus. Titans are used Willy-Nilly...quite frequently. That is the problem. Yes, Titans are very expensive....I don't think anyone ever said they weren't. Maybe someone from CCP should chime on what they were designed for? Betcha it wasn't for Willy-Nilly use. Another thing...they are extremely powerful......kinda goes with them being so expensive.
Lets get back on track here.....How do we stop the Willy-Nilly use of titans? I can only see a flat rate charge for DD use to do this. ISK goes right into a big black hole and is gone. Noone in game gets it for selling minerals or mods to activate DD, as they are likely paying themselves to do it.
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Howie Diddit
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:52:00 -
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And Bonny touched on something that I hadn't thought about. Will be funny for those wanting to conquer space, to bring in their DD proof BS and whatever, only to see that cyno's are jammed and there are now a 1/2 dozen or more Titans waiting for you.
Is that evolution? I think not....it is destruction of a once fun game to play. Get it under control now CCP.
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Madcat Adams
Amarr
Romulan Technologies Limited
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Madcat Adams on 03/03/2009 15:09:12
Just a random comment from a passer by. It is a Titan... your wanting their DD to cost multiples more than the value of ships it can destroy? That doesn't make much sense. Really, a fleet of 10 sub caps should be completly shredded by a Titan. This isn't the infamous Starwars where any cap ship can easily be blasted by a handful of fighters.
DD gives Titan's the thematic ability they should have. To destroy scores of smaller ships. It would be nice if this was done in a different way, but the limiting turret mechanics prevent such things. Even a simple battleship, that should bristle with defense guns, can only carry 8 turrets max. Does it make sense that a Titan can only carry 8 guns? No.. so the DD emulates the effect of it barraging fire into enemy fleets.
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cpu939
Gallente
OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:49:00 -
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the titan has been nurfed alot already
1 - no more cyno dd
2 - no jumping out for 10 minutes
3 - 1 hour wait
as someone has stated the titan is a useless in cap vs cap but its role it to protect other caps in the gang as it destorys hostile support fleets. i don't fly a titan but i think that 1 no cyno dd was good 2 i would make it 5 minutes as we now have hics 3 make it 30 minutes
the world is changing you can't change with it you die.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.03.03 17:08:00 -
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LOL
is this thread really about using titans in small scale PVP??
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.03 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Howie Diddit
Titans are used Willy-Nilly...quite frequently
Define willy-nilly. Also, you have given absolutely no proof that this assertion is correct other than some forum posts which hold no credibility.
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Howie Diddit
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:50:00 -
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Willy-Nilly use was how it was referred to by Marcus (read up). Defined---Haphazard or spontaneous manner. There you go. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm not sure that CCP designed the Titan to be used in this manner. Yes, this is about the Titans banging on small gangs. Again....I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that Titans were designed for this. The post concerning the cost = more than potential value of ships blown up....You understand why the higher cost. If this was the case, then the pilot doing the DD would think twice on whether or not to do it. To the PL pilot...check the kb of some of the alliances you fly with. There are some examples there. Heck, check the kb of any alliance known to frequently fly titans......like I said, it's destroying the game.
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