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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.14 12:11:00 -
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The original 'Plan' that was posted in the old forums has been redone and added to the Evelopedia now. I hope it helps everyone as much as the old one did. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_PlanAny questions or comments pertaining to the 'Plan' can be posted in this thread. Good luck and much success to you all. DMC |
Kira Deschain
United Earth Directorate The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.14 19:01:00 -
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Excellent! Thanks for posting this. After weeks of missions in Minmatar space the Amarr and Caldari empires really hate me! This guide will really come in handy. :) |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.09.14 20:06:00 -
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Thanks! This guide is really helpful.
+1 rep well earned I think. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:41:00 -
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Forum From: DeMichael Crimson To: Loraine Gess INBOX Sorry you don't like me or my forum posts. I've decided not to post as much anymore and will probably end up leaving this game soon. Good luck to you.
Still waiting on you to leave. |
Substantia Nigra
ByaDuK
1
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Posted - 2011.09.14 23:32:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Still waiting on you to leave.
I hope this is some sort of odd / sick joke or troll. But I'll bite anyways.
I find DMCs postings to be almost-universally helpful, accurate, and information-rich. I cannot say the same of many other forum posters, myself included.
I found the 'plan', the subject of this thread, to be a great help when I recently found myself heartily disliked by Amarr / Caldari but wanted to run their lvl4 epic arcs. Finding and following the 'plan' saved me weeks, if not months, of tedious lvl1 mission grinding.
Thanks for doing what you do DMC. I'll be sad if you leave the game, and will miss your helpful contributions.
Of course it'd be remiss of me to followup on any mention of leaving the game without .... Can I has your stuff?
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.09.15 08:50:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed.
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Veli ANDAC
1st Praetorian Guard
0
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Posted - 2011.09.15 10:42:00 -
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Dear DeMichael Crimson,
Firstly thank you that you made a great topic.
I am an Amarr Militia member at this moment, and my Gallente standing is -5,59 (with lvl4 diplomacy skill).
I want to switch Gallente Militia in a short time period, in this situation what is your suggestion to repair Gallente standing?
Do I need to drop militia first?
Thanks for your helping. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2011.09.15 11:39:00 -
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Veli ANDAC wrote:Dear DeMichael Crimson, Firstly thank you that you made a great topic. I am an Amarr Militia member at this moment, and my Gallente standing is -5,59 (with lvl4 diplomacy skill). I want to switch Gallente Militia in a short time period, in this situation what is your suggestion to repair Gallente standing? Do I need to drop militia first? Thanks for your helping.
Veli ANDAC,
You're welcome.
Yes, leave the Amarr Militia.
Diplomacy level 5 will help a lot if it doesn't take you too long to train it.
If your Gallente Faction standing of -5.59 is higher than your Minmatar Faction standing, then you'll have to do some regular missions (16 + Storyline) for a level 1 Gallente Agent located where you can travel safely, probably in Amarr, Ammatar or Caldari space. It shouldn't take you too long to raise it above -5.00 standing. After that you can enter Gallente space and work the 'Plan'. If your Minmatar Faction is already above -5.00 standing, then start working the 'Plan' with Minmatar.
Good luck to you and I hope this helps.
DMC
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.09.15 22:16:00 -
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Reposting my appreciation of 'the plan' on these new forums.
Not very long ago I was very unpopular with the amarr and caldari, and decided I wanted to run their lvl4 epic arcs. After about a week of very, very slow lvl1 mission grinding I discovered 'the plan'.
Adopting the approach outlined I made more inroads into my amarr standings in one session than I had the previous week. Now I have positive standings with all non-pirate factions, and I'm going to take great care to not let any of them bounce below -2 again.
Thanks DMC, 'the plan' was a fantastic discovery that saved me from interminable boring lvl1 missions and gave me a much greater understanding of faction-standings options.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2011.09.15 23:31:00 -
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Substantia Nigra,
Thanks for posting your story.
It's always good to hear how the 'Plan' has helped players. I hope you have continued good luck with it.
DMC
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Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.16 01:43:00 -
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Based on your experience, how would you suggest best fully bringing both Faction & NPC Corporate standings to the Gurista/Sansha/Blood Raider block to -10.00 (while avoiding any drastic swings involving other entities)?
Completing Missions in Amarr space? Amarr Epic arc? Belt ratting in low/null? Declining pirate faction L1's until -10.00 is accrued due to mission failure penalty?
At this point I've managed Faction: Guristas -10.00, Sansha -9.99, Blood Raiders -9.99. Unfortunately, npc corp standings while taking incurred -'s for ship kills still hover around +1.xx for their pirate faction corps.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2011.09.16 02:45:00 -
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Velarra,
I'm a bit confused. Are you asking how to get -10.00 Faction standing with Guristas, Sansha and Blood Raiders?
If so, just continue killing them in regular missions, explorations sites, etc. No need to do anything special. It will happen automatically.
Don't worry about the positive Pirate Corporation standings listed in your character sheet. Those can be helpful later in the future if you decide to work for Pirate Agents.
If you're asking how to repair or gain positive Pirate Faction standings, just work the section listed in the 'Plan' called - Pirate Standings.
Hope this answers your question.
DMC
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Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.09.16 02:55:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Velarra, I'm a bit confused. Are you asking how to get -10.00 Faction standing with Guristas, Sansha and Blood Raiders? Hope this answers your question. DMC
Yes, I'm actively aiming for (negative) -10.00 with the Guristas, Sansha and Blood Raiders both Faction & Corporate. I have absolutely zero desire to ever repair any of them. The Factional standings seem to have dropped nicely, if anything the NPC corporate standings seem to be taking quite a while in contrast.
Thank you for your insight!
-Velarra |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2011.09.16 03:30:00 -
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Velarra,
Thanks for clarifying.
As for getting -10.00 negative standings with the Pirate Corporations, failing level 1Pirate missions will accomplish that goal but it'll take quite a bit of time. It doesn't seem to be a constructive use of time to achieve that goal.
I'm not sure if the Pirate Corporate stations have NPC Convoys. If they do, this guide might help since attacking Convoys will incur negative standing hits towards the Corporation controlling the Convoy.
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Attacking_Convoys
Good luck with your goal.
DMC
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Kaeoz
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 18:18:00 -
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Good to have this guide. Thanx |
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:08:00 -
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hi,
I have an Amarr alt which (after diplomacy 4) was left with -4.4 Minmatar standing (Gallenet is slightly worse), currently training Diplomacy to 5 btw. Problem is, I flew into Minmatar space and got the "bugger off in a few seconds or you die" message, so moved back to warp back to caldari space - I was targeted and shot at. Soooo from what I read as long as I am below -5 I can do the career agents to help raise standings.
Now if my Gallenete is above -5 is that affecting it or do I need to grind some lvl 1's in Amarr space to sort this out ??
Sorry for being thick but I must be missing something as I know the plan works |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.27 22:01:00 -
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Kaeoz, thanks for posting.
I hope the 'Plan' helps you as much as it's helped me.
george harries wrote:hi, I have an Amarr alt which (after diplomacy 4) was left with -4.4 Minmatar standing (Gallenet is slightly worse), currently training Diplomacy to 5 btw. Problem is, I flew into Minmatar space and got the "bugger off in a few seconds or you die" message, so moved back to warp back to caldari space - I was targeted and shot at. Soooo from what I read as long as I am below -5 I can do the career agents to help raise standings. Now if my Gallenete is above -5 is that affecting it or do I need to grind some lvl 1's in Amarr space to sort this out ?? Sorry for being thick but I must be missing something as I know the plan works
george harries,
there is definitely something wrong if you're being attacked by the Minmatar Faction NPC Navy with a standing of -4.40.
Your Gallente Faction standing won't affect travel in Minmatar space. You should be able to enter Minmatar space and work the 'Plan' without being attacked unless you belong to the Amarr or Caldari Militia doing Factional Warfare.
Since you don't belong to the Militia, you might wanna try this. Get a Rookie ship or shuttle and 'test the waters' by entering Minmatar space. As long as the Faction is above -5.00 standing, you should be able to travel safely. If you get attacked and see the message again, file a petition in-game.
I hope this helps
DMC
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Barrak
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:13:00 -
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Hey,
Finallly got around to using this plan.... though my aim is a little different........
I'm a little confused by something in the wiki:
After completing one round of Circle Agent missions, now work the level 1 Data Center 'Graduation Certificate' missions for the same specific Faction. After completing the 3rd 'Cert' mission, take one of the certs to the Agent listed on the certificate. That Agent will give you a multi part Storyline mission where you'll meet another Event Agent.
Data Centers
After completing those missions, turn in Pirate Tags to complete the rest of the Level 1 Data Center Agents. If you don't have the 'Tags' and haven't accepted the 'Tag' mission, you can decline it and return to the Agent later when ready. The easiest way of obtaining the required amount of Pirate Tags is to buy them from the Market or from public Contracts. Pirate Tags can also be found in the wrecks of Pirate NPC's killed at Asteroid Belts, 'Unknown' Cosmic Signature and Cosmic Anomaly combat sites.
Remember - Always get the required amount of Pirate Tags first before talking to these Agents.
I've just completed the circle missions, which to add a point, I seem to have picked up three sets of Faction standings, albeit small ones. I beleive I got 0.03, 0.05 and a 0.8 increase.
That aside, I am about to start the data centre missions, but I'm confused by the descriptive text above and am reluctant to start withour getting some clarity.
Can someone talk me through the first paragraph of the descriptive text? Will it be obvious which the 3rd cert is? Should I go a purchase all of the relevant tags ahead of all the missions? Are the missions to collect tags or are there missions AS WELL AS collecting tags? Can the tags be handed in immediately upon accepting the missions?
I ask these questions as it seems as though the plan is fairly sensative to being messed up...... and I really don't want to mess it up.
Regards
Barrak
*fake edit*
Have you thought about creating a chat channel where experienced and inexperienced people can gather to chat about missions? Might also relieve you of lots of PM's........ just a though.
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:50:00 -
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For the data center missions. There are three different sites in each faction's space. Inside these sites there are two different types of missions. Each data center has one courier mission that gives you a Graduation Certificate, which one is the third one depends on the order that you do them (since there are three sites each with one Cert mission), but it doesn't matter what order they're done in.
The other type of mission is the tag missions, where the agent asks you to bring X tags of a given type. It's recommended to have the tags beforehand since it could take months of ratting to get all the tags you need for all the missions. If you already have the tags, you just complete the mission 2 seconds after you accept it.
So, there is one 1-3j courier mission at each site and then tag missions from the rest of the agents there, no other types of missions. |
Barrak
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.30 22:09:00 -
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mxzf wrote:For the data center missions. There are three different sites in each faction's space. Inside these sites there are two different types of missions. Each data center has one courier mission that gives you a Graduation Certificate, which one is the third one depends on the order that you do them (since there are three sites each with one Cert mission), but it doesn't matter what order they're done in.
The other type of mission is the tag missions, where the agent asks you to bring X tags of a given type. It's recommended to have the tags beforehand since it could take months of ratting to get all the tags you need for all the missions. If you already have the tags, you just complete the mission 2 seconds after you accept it.
So, there is one 1-3j courier mission at each site and then tag missions from the rest of the agents there, no other types of missions.
Thanks. Though after accepting the first graduation mission (go get get document) I got sent to another agent that has given me a 5 part mission. Is this correct and am I following this correctly?
Will the send me. Back to t data agent at the end of the five part mission?
Regards
Barrack
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2011.10.31 07:06:00 -
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Barrak,
mxzf (Thanks for the help ) is correct. The info he posted should be listed on the Evelopedia Data Center page.
It doesn't really matter if you go see the agent listed on the 'Cert' after completing the first Data Center 'Cert' mission. The reasons I said to complete all 3 'Cert' missions (1 at each Data Center) before doing that is:
1) The 3 'Cert' missions can be completed rather quickly to gain some quick Faction standing increase before seeing the agent listed on the 'Cert'.
2) The agent listed on the 'Cert' will give a 5 part mission series and while doing that mission series, will meet another Event Agent that gives a 3 part mission series. The 3 part mission series needs to be completed before the 5 part mission series can be completed. These 2 mission series will take some time to complete compared to the other missions.
3) Players might forget about the other 2 Data Center 'Cert' missions after completing missions for the agent listed on the 'Cert'. Also that specific agent is listed on all 3 'Certs' and will only offer the 5 part mission series once.
I created this thread for questions pertaining to the 'Plan' so that everyone can have access to the info. The idea of creating a chat channel for the 'Plan' is good but not really feasible due to the possibility of certain questions being asked multiple times and more than likely the channel itself would probably not be very active for long lengths of time.
Anyway, I hope your questions have been answered and everything clarified. Good luck and much success to you.
DMC
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Barrak
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:08:00 -
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Answered perfectly, thanks.... both of you!
Regards
Barrak |
Barrak
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:50:00 -
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Having problems with 'snatching the sharman', which is the storyline mission in the 5 part mission.
WHen trying to capture hte other chap, he does not appear in his cargo when you blow him up!!!
Any ideas anyone?
Regards
Barrak
*EDIT*
Run this mission 6 times now and its still not working.
x12
I've read that the mission can be declined, but i have already accepted it. So I really dont want to fail it. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:38:00 -
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Ahhh, I always liked that mission series. Took me a long time to find the key.
For Snatching the Shaman, destroy the Blasted Neon Sign to get Logut's key from a cargo container, then use the acceleration gate. Find Dari Akell and collect her from the wreckage. Use the acceleration gate to warp back, and speak with Logut's Abode to exchange Dari Akell for Logut Akell. Deliver Logut to Pinala Adala.
Someone had posted a little trick concerning that mission series. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1263174&page=9#265
Since you've already accepted the mission, I guess the trick won't help.
If Dari Akell isn't in the wreckage or container, might have to file a petition in-game, F12 key (Eve Help), character stuck - mission in progress.
Hope this helps,
DMC
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Barrak
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.11.01 22:24:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ahhh, I always liked that mission series. Took me a long time to find the key. For Snatching the Shaman, destroy the Blasted Neon Sign to get Logut's key from a cargo container, then use the acceleration gate. Find Dari Akell and collect her from the wreckage. Use the acceleration gate to warp back, and speak with Logut's Abode to exchange Dari Akell for Logut Akell. Deliver Logut to Pinala Adala. Someone had posted a little trick concerning that mission series. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1263174&page=9#265Since you've already accepted the mission, I guess the trick won't help. If Dari Akell isn't in the wreckage or container, might have to file a petition in-game, F12 key (Eve Help), character stuck - mission in progress. Hope this helps, DMC
Doh......... for some reason I had turned my 'wrecks' off. God knows anyone following me into this misson over the last few days would have seen tons and tons of corpses :( |
Kikusama
Parabellum Diligentia
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 01:54:00 -
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Great guide, thank you!
Now there's a problem I'm having with Scribd on the Caldari Cosmos Guide, it won't load the third page no matter what PC/browser/whatever I use. It's frustrating, is that the only place the file is hosted? It's about this link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/16401872/Cosmos-Missions-101
It's not new (the problem), happened before, thought it was my PC, it's not (it would seem).
Can anyone upload that file someplace else? Thank you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
144
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Posted - 2011.11.02 07:27:00 -
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Kikusama, you're welcome.
Hope the 'Plan' is helping.
That Caldari Cosmos guide works on my internet browser - Firefox.
There's another Cosmos guide I usually check which is http://www.hb3.info/cosmos/ It needs to be translated but it covers most of the agents for all 4 major Factions.
DMC
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Kikusama
Parabellum Diligentia
1
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:50:00 -
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Using Firefox as well. Tested on Chrome and it seems to work now, although yesterday it didn't work in any of the browsers I tested oO
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:18:00 -
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Must have been a glitch or just a bad day for browsers.
At least it's working now.
Anyway, good luck to you.
DMC
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Shik Koken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.27 02:49:00 -
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Here's a twist to the Faction Standing Plan.
I'm brand new to Eve Online (all standings are currently either neutral or good) and want to keep all four major factions positive... way positive. Planning ahead, I'm thinking of getting all four above 6.0 which is required for level 4 missions. The goal is that no matter where my Eve career takes me in Empire space, I can quickly run a mission or two.
Questions are:
Is it possible to get all our major standings above 6.0? Assume that I'll never accept a mission against another major faction.
If yes, what parts of the plan should I complete to accomplish this goal?
Thanks! |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
202
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:03:00 -
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Shik Koken wrote:Here's a twist to the Faction Standing Plan. I'm brand new to Eve Online (all standings are currently either neutral or good) and want to keep all four major factions positive... way positive. Planning ahead, I'm thinking of getting all four above 6.0 which is required for level 4 missions. The goal is that no matter where my Eve career takes me in Empire space, I can quickly run a mission or two. Questions are: Is it possible to get all our major standings above 6.0? Assume that I'll never accept a mission against another major faction. If yes, what parts of the plan should I complete to accomplish this goal? Thanks! Edit: Several months ago, DeMichael Crimson posted his standings after many months of work. None are above 6.0 which is a discouraging sign DeMichael Crimson from June 2011: Empire Faction Standings: Modified (Base) Caldari State +5.50 (+4.37) Minmatar Republic +5.25 (+4.06) Amarr Empire +5.17 (+3.96) Khanid Kingdom +5.17 (+3.96) Gallente Federation +5.14 (+3.92) The Interbus +5.03 (+3.78) Ammatar Mandate +4.82 (+3.52) Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70)
Well, I haven't really been working the 'Plan' very much since then, due to waiting for CCP to fix various bugs associated with Cosmos agents. I'm currently working the epic arcs which I hope will unlock the lv 4 cosmos agents.
If you want to get all Empire Factions to have a high positive standing, I would say work all agents listed in the 'Plan'. However, quite a bit of standing can be gained just by completing the Epic Arcs every 3 months. Since you're new, I don't think you have the required skill lv or standing to work the lv 4 epic arcs.
My current stats:
Empire Faction Standings - Modified and (Base): Amarr Empire +5.56 (+4.45), Minmatar Republic +5.33 (+4.16), Gallente Federation +5.28 (+4.11), Caldari State +5.27 (+4.08), The Interbus +5.04 (+3.80), Ammatar Mandate +4.81 (+3.51), Khanid Kingdom +4.59 (+3.24), Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),
Social Skills: Social lv 5 Connections lv 5 Fast Talk lv 5 Diplomacy lv 5 Negotiation lv 5
Data Center Tags Completed: Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - need Gold Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Brass and Gold Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower
Epic Arcs Completed: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 5x (1x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente) Level 4 Amarr = Started (Currently working) Level 4 Caldari = Started Level 4 Gallente = Started Level 4 Minmatar = Started
Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed: All Empire Factions
Cosmos Agents Completed: All Empire Factions = level 3 and lower
Special Agents Completed (Security Status): Christer Fuglesang = Concord Jeremy Tacs = Concord
Security Status: +5.85
I'll update my stats again after I complete the Epic Arcs.
DMC
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
23
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:16:00 -
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Here's mine as of now:
The Servant Sisters of Eve 8.85 (8.56) Caldari State 7.76 (6.94) The Interbus 6.26 (5.33) Mordu's Legion Command 6.04 (5.05) Gallante Federation 6.00 (5.00) Amar Empire 5.78 (4.73) The Society 5.63 (4.54) Minmatar Republic 5.44 (4.30) Khanid Kingdom 5.16 (3.95) Ammartar Mandate 4.69 (3.66) Jove Empire 3.98 (2.48) ORE 2.84 (1.05) Concord Assembly 2.35 (0.44)
Ammartar is a bit low, but it's easy to get above 5 on all empire factions. 6 is possible when you throw in epic arcs. I used to have 6+ on 4 major factions, but I declined some missions, did a few storylines that has pricey mindlink implants as reward, and it dropped some.
I run grind standings for ppl, so +5 faction standings come in handy. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=19454 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
202
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:46:00 -
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sabre906, thanks for posting.
Yeah, I only listed the Factions that control Empire space (High Sec).
sabre906 wrote:Here's mine as of now: The Servant Sisters of Eve 8.85 (8.56) Caldari State 7.76 (6.94)The Interbus 6.26 (5.33)Mordu's Legion Command 6.04 (5.05) Gallante Federation 6.00 (5.00)Amar Empire 5.78 (4.73)The Society 5.63 (4.54) Minmatar Republic 5.44 (4.30)Khanid Kingdom 5.16 (3.95)Ammartar Mandate 4.69 (3.66)Jove Empire 3.98 (2.48) ORE 2.84 (1.05) Concord Assembly 2.35 (0.44)Ammartar is a bit low, but it's easy to get above 5 on all empire factions. 6 is possible when you throw in epic arcs. I used to have 6+ on 4 major factions, but I declined some missions, did a few storylines that has pricey mindlink implants as reward, and it dropped some. I run grind standings for ppl, so +5 faction standings come in handy. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=19454
Now you wouldn't be trying to hijack my 'Plan' thread with a shameless plug for you business, huh? |
Bruenor Danovan
Xabregas Biochemicals S.A.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:01:00 -
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I think it's about time I thanked you for this thread both on the old forum and this new one since I've used it a couple of times and have recommended it to other players more times than I can think of. Congratulations on the wiki entry too :) Thanks to your work I managed to juggle empire faction standings to a positive status and pretty soon I'll be able to anchor high sec stuff in one of them without any worries of being shot at by any faction navy while traveling around New Eden, great stuff! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
219
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Posted - 2011.12.07 01:13:00 -
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Bruenor Danovan,
Thank you very much for posting..
It's always great to hear how the 'Plan' is helping players. It's even better to hear about the 'Plan' being referred to other players when needed.
Hope you have continued success.
DMC
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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:49:00 -
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How does Ammatar Mandate get raised by the Plan? Only derived from Amarr, so it's super slow, unless you do just regular missions for Ammatar NPC Corps?
UPDATE: nvm, found this post http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1460292 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
235
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Posted - 2011.12.19 10:54:00 -
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Romeo Deluxe, thanks for posting. Yeah, that thread may be old but the info is still good.
Good job at finding an answer to your question, "How does the 'Plan' help raise Ammatar Mandate Faction standing".
First off, training up the Social skills will help a lot. Diplomacy skill to raise current negative Faction standing and Connections skill to raise current positive Faction standings. Also don't forget Social skill and Negotiation skill to help gain max rewards/standings for future interaction with agents.
As was posted in that thread, the Data Center located in the Ferira System has Ammatar Mandate agents that collect Sansha Tags. Those are the only Event Agents that give large Ammatar Mandate Faction standing increase.
The next quickest way to gain Ammatar Mandate Faction standing is from derived standings for completing Amarr and Caldari Event Agent missions.
After that, it's Storyline missions gained from completing 16 regular missions.
Anyway, good luck to you.
DMC
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Jyla Kenij
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 00:05:00 -
[38] - Quote
It appears the amarr "circle," agents are broken. I ran the caldari and amarr circuit today and only the caldari one eventually put out a faction mission. Odd and annoying, but perhaps I just don't know how they work.
And just to save myself a followup post later on: I've got plus 1.0 or 2.0 standing with each empire (connections/diplomacy/social at V) and I have been wondering which part of the plan is a more efficient starting point? I just cannot stand the career agent tutorial missions, have tried the "circle," agents (as above, don't appear to be working in some places), but haven't looking into the data centers yet.
Ideally I just need +3 across the board to start grinding out combat missions. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
236
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Posted - 2011.12.20 02:32:00 -
[39] - Quote
Jyla Kenij, thanks for posting and sorry to hear about your little problem.
The group of Circle Agents only give 1 mission for Faction standing increase. If you've never completed those missions before, then a small Faction standing increase should be listed in the character sheet - standings section - 'Liked By' tab - 'show transactions' option by r-clicking on the specific Faction.
Not being granted the Faction standing increase due for mission completion is a problem associated with various Event Agents. It's always a good idea to file a petition in-game if the standing increase isn't automatically added.
As for the Career Agent missions, they can be completed easily even though it may take a bit of time. There's 15 Career Agents per Faction and bypassing them results in missing out on a sizable amount of standing increase.
The fastest way per the 'Plan' for gaining Faction standing increase would be with the Data Center Agents. The 'Cert' missions give a good jump start and the 'Tag' missions give a large standing increase. However, the 'Tag' missions will cost you ISK if you don't already have the required tags.
The 'Plan' itself contains links to all Event Agents that give Faction standing increase. It's not intended to be an actual guide per say, it's just a 'Plan' which can be adapted and changed to suit each individual player's needs and objectives.
Anyway, I hope this answers your questions. Good luck to you.
DMC
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Chung Ju-yung
Science and Trade Institute
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:20:00 -
[40] - Quote
Jyla Kenij wrote:It appears the amarr "circle," agents are broken. I ran the caldari and amarr circuit today and only the caldari one eventually put out a faction mission. Odd and annoying, but perhaps I just don't know how they work.
I did them on my alt this morning and received faction rep as usual from all four circles. So definitely petition if you missed out.
Jyla Kenij wrote: And just to save myself a followup post later on: I've got plus 1.0 or 2.0 standing with each empire (connections/diplomacy/social at V) and I have been wondering which part of the plan is a more efficient starting point? I just cannot stand the career agent tutorial missions, have tried the "circle," agents (as above, don't appear to be working in some places), but haven't looking into the data centers yet.
Ideally I just need +3 across the board to start grinding out combat missions.
Sounds like you're high enough for L2 missions, which are pretty bad, but not awful. Grab a comfortable cruiser and go run them over a while with your least-favorite faction. The gain from that point up to L3's isn't bad and once you're there it feels like less of a fish-in-barrel job. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
237
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
Chung Ju-yung wrote:Jyla Kenij wrote:It appears the amarr "circle," agents are broken. I ran the caldari and amarr circuit today and only the caldari one eventually put out a faction mission. Odd and annoying, but perhaps I just don't know how they work. I did them on my alt this morning and received faction rep as usual from all four circles. So definitely petition if you missed out.
Chung Ju-yung, thanks for posting that info.
It's always good to have confirmation that the Event Agents are still working. If you're working the 'Plan', good luck to you.
DMC
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Stabmeldys
Zero Taxes Corp.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:03:00 -
[42] - Quote
Thanks for the awesome job done. It works and I am working on it. To get fair good result it's quite mind numbing mission runs, but PvE wise it gives almost ALL possible options to choose from. Great guide and great support.
+1
Cheers DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
238
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:50:00 -
[43] - Quote
Stabmeldys, thank you for the complements.
Yeah, running thru all the Career Agent missions is definitely mind numbing. However, they do help a lot at the start to raise negative Faction standings. After completing those, it get's a lot better. Especially when working the Cosmos missions. They have a great storyline with lot's of excellent eye candy.
Anyway, good luck and much success to you.
DMC
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Chung Ju-yung
Science and Trade Institute
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 22:56:00 -
[44] - Quote
Suggestion to anyone planning on doing datacenters in the future: Set up regional buy orders for your tags ahead of time and save yourself a lot of isk. Most of the tag orders are not updated very often so you won't have to babysit or 0.01isk it (possibly on weekends, YMMV). |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
238
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:14:00 -
[45] - Quote
Chung Ju-yung, that's a very good idea.
Thanks for bringing that up.
I usually checked with corp and player chat channels first, most players will have a few tags laying round in station and they'll more than likely give you a good deal.
When I was actively looking for Tags, I asked a couple players to check various regional markets while traveling. If they happened to find a good deal, I'd have em contract it to me. I also placed a few buy orders whenever needed.
DMC
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Hannibalx
Bladerunners The G0dfathers
0
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Posted - 2011.12.24 03:40:00 -
[46] - Quote
Awesome guide man!
I have terrible Serpentis and Angel faction standings ( -9.75 and -9.12 unmodified). While i can access one of the starting agents for the Angel epic arch, the agent he sends me to will not speak to me. Does that mean that my only chance of repairing my standings is to grind hundreds of lvl 1 missions until my modified standings rise above -2 ? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2011.12.24 04:11:00 -
[47] - Quote
Hannibalx, thanks.
The Pirate Epic Arcs were created so that players could easily repair very bad negative Pirate Faction standings. That's the reason for having 3 different starting agents, 1 Pirate Agent and 2 Empire Agents.
Since you've already accessed 1 of the 3 starting agents for the arc, the rest of the agents in the arc should not check your standings.
I think you have encountered a bug. Best thing for you to do right now is file a petition in-game, character stuck.
Anyway, I hope the 'Plan' helps you. Good luck to you and don't forget to train up the Social skills.
DMC
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OfBalance
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.24 05:41:00 -
[48] - Quote
Just dropping in to give DCM some more kudoz.
The plan has given me new long-term goals and those are rare gems to stumble upon after all these years. Who knew carebearing could be exciting? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2011.12.24 05:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
OfBalance, thanks for dropping in and bestowing some kudoz.
One of my early goals after I first started playing was to complete missions for all Event Agents within the game. When I first started that I didn't realize it would turn into a long term project.
Most of the Event Agent missions have a very good story plot with lot's of excellent eye candy. That, along with only being able to complete them once in the life of the character, makes them rather unique as well as fun and exciting when compared to regular missions.
I hope the 'Plan' helps you as much as it's helped me. Good luck and much success.
DMC
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Mallet Sceptera
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:52:00 -
[50] - Quote
Do either one of you fine gentlemen happen to know if the SoE arc requires probe skills? I checked the wiki and didn't see any mention of it, but as I recall from a while back there was some scanning involved. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2011.12.24 07:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
Mallet Sceptera, it's not a problem. I'm glad to help whenever possible.
The SoE Level 1 Epic Arc doesn't require any scanning or probing what so ever.
Just make sure to have all Empire Faction standings above -5.00 and your security status above -2.00, if not you will be attacked by Navy NPC's while traveling.
Good luck and have fun on the arc.
DMC
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Mallet Sceptera
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.24 07:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
Thanks. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2011.12.24 07:31:00 -
[53] - Quote
You're welcome.
On a side note, I've completed the Level 4 Amarr and Minmatar Epic Arcs and am currently 1/2 way through the Gallente Arc. After that I'll do the Caldari Epic Arc and then post an update of my stats.
Happy Holidays to everyone.
DMC
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Hannibalx
Bladerunners The G0dfathers
1
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Posted - 2011.12.24 17:17:00 -
[54] - Quote
[ I think you have encountered a bug. Best thing for you to do right now is file a petition in-game, character stuck.]
Thanks for the advice. I tried to access the agent again today and everything is fine now Not sure if it was a bug or user error, but everything is back on track and i'm going forward with The Plan. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
277
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Posted - 2011.12.25 00:28:00 -
[55] - Quote
Gratz,
Sometimes the server just needs to be updated which can be done by simply logging out and then back into the game.
Good luck with the arc.
DMC
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Kal Torvan
The Arrow Project CORE.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 05:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
So I had some time to kill waiting for skills to train and figured I'd try to start boosting my faction standings. Problem is first system I went to for the Career Agents (Malukker), both the Industry and the Business agent wouldn't give me a mission. I'm fairly positive I've never been out in that part of space before, so there should be no way that I could have requested the missions before and let them expire. Any other reason those agents would refuse to talk to me while the two Combat and the Exploration agents would? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
298
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:06:00 -
[57] - Quote
Kal Torvan wrote:So I had some time to kill waiting for skills to train and figured I'd try to start boosting my faction standings. Problem is first system I went to for the Career Agents (Malukker), both the Industry and the Business agent wouldn't give me a mission. I'm fairly positive I've never been out in that part of space before, so there should be no way that I could have requested the missions before and let them expire. Any other reason those agents would refuse to talk to me while the two Combat and the Exploration agents would?
Hello Kal,
That's a very good question. I've had a few different Event Agents also refuse to offer mission. Depending on how long you've been playing eve, you very well could have completed them back when you first started. More than likely this is probably true.
Now if you're fairly certain about never accessing these agents before, best to file a petition in game. There are 15 different Career Agents per Faction, I'd go check the others first.
Sorry I couldn't provide much info, hope you have good luck working the 'Plan'.
DMC
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Jalthus James
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:56:00 -
[58] - Quote
Hello DMC and thanks for this guide. It has been a wonderful asset for my characters past and present.
I have a question that you might be able to answer, concerning the lower-end event agents (ranging from career to the first level data center and cosmos). I am training a new alt at the moment and want to give him a head start in faction standings. I have him on a rather impractical training regimen however, and I'd like to know what you consider to be the upper end of what can be accomplished in a basic frigate without many support skills. Career agents are certainly feasible, but it has been a while since I did any of the other event missions. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:25:00 -
[59] - Quote
Hello Jalthus James, thanks for posting the complement.
It's always good to hear how the 'Plan' has helped other players.
Now for your question, which Event Agent missions are the easiest to complete with very low skills. All level 1 Event Agent missions should be easy enough to complete with minimal skills trained.
The level 1 Data Center 'Cert' missions (3 per faction) are simple courier missions which are very easy to complete. The missions offered by the Event Agent listed on the 'Cert' is different from the Data Center 'Cert' agents and will require some combat skills trained. After the 3 Data Center 'Cert' missions, the next easiest ones to complete would be the 'Circle Agents' and their courier missions. Next is the Data Center 'Tag' missions which are basically trade missions, however those will cost some ISK.
Hope this answers your question. Good luck to you.
DMC
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Jalthus James
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:27:00 -
[60] - Quote
Indeed that refreshed my memory, thanks. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:31:00 -
[61] - Quote
Excellent, hope you have great success working the 'Plan'.
DMC
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r0selan
Kasar Infinae Ares Protectiva
10
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Posted - 2012.01.01 15:55:00 -
[62] - Quote
First thanx for you amazing plan and continued contributions.
I was still under -5 with diplo 5 with amarr and caldari when I decided to try to restore them a bit.
I found my way. I chose Oremmulf IX - Moon 2 - Imperial Armaments Warehouse, as there are 3 level 1 distribution agents. Most missions can be done in a "nano inty", the rest in a cargo hold expanded "mining" frig or catalyst (3 lows for more cargo expanders). I guess a blocake runner would do superbly as the large cargo ship, but I'm far from having the skills to fly one. so I wont comment.
I did decline all mining missions, and all missions more than 2 jumps away. Often the 3 agents propose a transport to/from the same system, which speed up things. You can wait next "run" to accept a mission, so that you increase the probability of a shared "run". This technique doesn't fasten things much however. A decent amount of missions are in Oremmulf itself. The objective is of course to minimize the time to get a storyline mission, and so minimize the number of warps and jumps.
The pool of missions is limited, and you benefit from fitting a mwd on your inty, as for some missions you have to get a thing from a can ins space (the device!!!), which can be some kms away. You benefit from mounting guns too, as you might have to shoot some cargo ship or structure to loot the mission objective (they take like 30 seconds to shoot down, max).
Finally, Oremmulf has two gates, one is next door to the station, the other is 44.8 AU away. So you benefit rigging your inty (in my case ares) and "cargo" frig/destro with Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer rigs (for warp speed). You can get them for 130k usually.
All in all I was able to get a storyline mission each 60 minutes in average. It took me 8 hours to get my amarr standings to -4.99, and start the plan. if I remember correctly, I at was -9.07 absolute standings with amarr when I started. Each storyline banks 0.249 or 0.42% faction standings while declining missions costs you 0.01%. I was declining in the like of 10 missions per story-line.
I don't know if it the fastest, but it's simple. (And I was able to remote margin trade in Rens during the warps, keeping me occupied, and banking me... quite a bit ^^).
However I didn't post to tell you this (even if it somewhat got out of hand :P), but because I wanted to tell you that I believe the 'plan' would benefit from a more detailed section about what to do when your faction standings are below -5. FW, cross agents (or my lazy method). Of course, with absolute standing in the -9 region, diplomacy 5 is, imo, the absolute first priority. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
900
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Posted - 2012.01.01 22:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
r0selan, thanks for sharing that info.
The 'Plan' does state that after training Diplomacy level 5 and if still below -5.00 Faction standing, completing regular level 1 missions to gain storyline mission offers is required. It also mentions that completing courier missions for Distribution Agents is the quickest way to achieve that goal.
As for spamming the 'Decline' option more than once every 4 hours, I didn't mention anything about that because I believe it's not a good idea. Granted the amount of negative standing hit may be small but it's still a negative hit. The idea is to minimize the amount of negative standing hits while repairing and boosting Faction standings.
However, the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' is exactly what the name implies, a 'Plan' which can be adapted and changed to benefit each players specific needs and goals. Obviously this is what you did and congratulations to you for a job well done.
I hope you have continued good luck and much success.
DMC
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Bob Jan
Aimbob
2
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Posted - 2012.01.06 07:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
Social and diplomacy are both level 5.
I just started doing the repair plan for Amarr (-3.5) and Caldari (-2.0)
Stared at Amarr career agents.
(Conoban System - Hedion University)
Each agent gives a chain of missions, teaching all the aspects of the game (Scanning, Repair, AB, mining, battle, salvage etc.) You get a small faction bonus once you complete a chain. The bonus is between 0.8% to 1.8% so far. However you do get a negative bonus impact towards the other two factions (Gallante and Minmatar) Since my standing for those two factions is 7.6 and 7.4, I can take the hits, but I'm not liking it.
What can I do to increase my standing without getting a negative standing hit? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
933
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
Bob Jan, thanks for posting and sorry to hear about your disappointment.
Yeah, unfortunately most of the Event Agents listed in the 'Plan' give derived standings, both positive and negative, towards all Factions. That is the reason for keeping watch on the standings and then alternate or 'bounce' to another Faction's Event Agents when needed.
Since you've already trained Social and Diplomacy skills to level 5, train Connections skill to level 5. That will help increase your current positive Faction standings.
Other than training up the various Social skills, completing the Epic Arcs will give a large Faction standing gain with little to no derived standings towards the other Factions. The only problem is that they can only be completed every 3 months.
Right now you could run the level 1 SoE Epic Arc and complete it for Amarr, then run the level 4 Amarr and Caldari Epic Arcs. That should make you positive with those Empire Factions without incurring any negative Faction standing hits towards Minmatar and Gallente.
I hope this info helps and good luck to you.
DMC
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Bob Jan
Aimbob
3
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:10:00 -
[66] - Quote
Thanks for the reply.
Atm I can't do the epic arcs of Amarr and Caldari because I have a below -2.0 faction standing. I'l do the SoE epic arc first.
Guess I'l do the bounce trick, since the small lose of standing because of the career agents can be counterd by doing level 4 missions with Minmatar and Gallante.
I'm only after the epic arcs for Amarr and Caldari.
Is it better to get a -1.9 standing with both factions and then get my standing to 5.0 with the epic arc corperations? I bet that's a lot faster then getting my faction standing up to 5.0.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
940
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Posted - 2012.01.06 23:01:00 -
[67] - Quote
Oh, good catch. Somehow I forgot to include the info about needing above -2.00 Faction standing to run the level 4 Epic Arcs. Must have been a bit more tired than I thought.
Anyway, yeah, the easiest way to access the level 4 epic arc starting agents is to get Faction above -2.00 standing and Corp above +5.00 standing.
Looks like you'll have to complete just a few more Amarr Event Agent missions to get Amarr and Caldari above -2.00 Faction standing.. Of course that means you'll also get a few more negative hits to Gallente and Minmatar.
Then run the epic arcs. Completing the level 4 Minmatar arc incurs a couple of negative standing hits towards Amarr and Ammatar.
Hope you have much success and thanks for pointing out the missing info.
DMC
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NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.07 00:49:00 -
[68] - Quote
Out of curiosity, what is the effective ceiling on average faction standings?
It has been quite some years since I last looked it up. I think the general theory a few years ago was that you couldn't push much past 4.0 averaged across the four factions, mostly due to the amarr being quite easy to **** off. Is this still the case? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
940
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:12:00 -
[69] - Quote
NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino, that's a very good question.
I can't give you an exact standing number or the amount of time required to accomplish it. Right now my average Empire Faction standings are in the high +5.00 standing. I am currently working the level 4 Epic Arcs and I still have the level 4 Cosmos Agents left to complete.
Since the Epic Arcs can be completed every 3 months for a large Faction standing increase with little to no derived standings towards the other Factions, I see no problem in gaining very high Empire Faction standings. Of course it'll take time to accomplish that.
Sorry I couldn't give you a more precise answer.
DMC
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NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:15:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ah, I hadn't considered the arcs not hitting opposing factions as hard.
You'll have to pardon my naivete. I am a trader and not much of a missioner. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
940
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:29:00 -
[71] - Quote
Not a problem.
I doubt anyone can give a definite answer to that question. The Epic Arcs have pretty much deleted the standing limits that were previously in the game.
Just in case you were wondering, the level 1 Event Agent missions can be easily completed with minimum skill levels. Keep in mind that completing those will incur both positive and negative derived standings towards all the Factions.
DMC
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NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:12:00 -
[72] - Quote
What ship(s) have you used for the L4 epic arcs?
I'm attempting to research the subject (no offense intended, your guide covers a lot) as I might run them in the future. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
940
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:14:00 -
[73] - Quote
For the level 1 SoE Epic Arc, the first couple of times I completed it was in a Tech 1 Frigate (Rifter) and then later in a Tech 2 Force Recon Cruiser (Rapier). Both are T2 rigged and fitted.
For the level 4 Epic Arcs I mostly use a Tech 2 Command Ship (Sleipnir) and switch to a Tech 3 Strategic Cruiser (Loki) when needed on missions that have high amount of incoming DPS. Of course they're both T2 rigged and Faction / Deadspace fitted.
The T3 Cruiser actually has more defense, faster speed, quicker alignment with a much smaller signature radius when compared to the T2 Command Ship. Unfortunately it also puts out less DPS so it takes a bit longer to kill the NPC's.
I also followed the Eve Survival Mission Reports to track the triggers while doing the level 4 Epic Arcs.
DMC
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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.01.13 20:09:00 -
[74] - Quote
I have been on and off for Eve for the past 3 years. My standing is not that great for certain factions (amarr/caldari). I saw this guide and started to get in to this.
My problem was that I needed to make notes on what was done and what needed to be done so the task was to check all agents and see if I did that one. I would suggest to make notes in the Eve Notepad as to what missions/agents you already did so when you comeback after a while you know where you left off and do not have to go check each agent again.
Beside my agent check grinding this guide is a 10 STAR guide - thank you DMC. >>> Mine is Bigger than Yours ! <<< |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
967
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Posted - 2012.01.14 02:43:00 -
[75] - Quote
Gaitrie, you're welcome and thanks for posting.
Yes, keeping track of agents already completed is a very good idea, especially when working the Cosmos Agents. The in-game notepad is indeed very handy for that.
Probably a good idea to keep an out of game back-up copy of the notepad as well, just in case.
Thanks again, good luck and much success to you.
DMC
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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
52
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:03:00 -
[76] - Quote
This plan is going well. Found a system where I can do both minmatar and amarr missions so no long travels back and forth and now my my minmatar is 5.0 and amarr is from -3.72 to -0.28.
So guess after a couple of weeks they should both be good. >>> Mine is Bigger than Yours ! <<< |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1000
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:49:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ahhh, it's good to hear that.
If you have over -5.00 Faction standing with all Empire Factions, might think about completing the level 1 SoE arc for Amarr or Caldari, whichever one is lowest. Can easily complete that within a few days for a sizable Faction standing increase.
That way you won't have to grind endless amounts of regular missions for storyline offers if all you're trying to do is get the Faction standings more balanced.
Anyway, thanks for the friendly bump and good luck to you.
DMC
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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
57
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
That was the first thing I did - the SOE Epic arc, took me aprox 6 hours to complete the arc and got a nice boost for Amarr.
Will definitely start doing the epic arc's (SOE) each 3 months to raise it to a positive standing.
At the moment I am doing L3 Amarr en minmatar in the same system with a BS and that is going Blitz, so most of teh time I get 2 storylines for both Minmatar and Amarr.
Do you know if teh standing gained with the storylines is a set % gain ? I just want to calculate in advanced to knwo what each standing will do before I accept and run teh mission for each faction >>> Mine is Bigger than Yours ! <<< |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1009
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:33:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ahhh, thanks for clarifying.
Can't really place a definite number due to various factors involved.
The amount of standing gained is varied due to different storyline missions being offered. Along with that, the level of Social skills trained, Agent location (system security level) and the Agent Effective Quality will also modify the amount gained.
Sorry I couldn't give you a more specific answer.
DMC
EDIT: To get max standing increase, make sure to have the Social skills trained up. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1012
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:24:00 -
[80] - Quote
Just wanted to update my statistics due to completing all of the level 4 Epic Arcs.
Empire Faction Standings - Modified (Base): Caldari State +6.81 (+6.01), Amarr Empire +6.10 (+5.12), Minmatar Republic +5.93 (+4.91), Gallente Federation +5.84 (+4.80), The Interbus +5.04 (+3.80), Khanid Kingdom +4.59 (+3.23), Ammatar Mandate +4.46 (+3.07), Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),
Social Skills: Social lv 5 Connections lv 5 Fast Talk lv 5 Diplomacy lv 5 Negotiation lv 5
Data Center Tags completed: Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - need Gold Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Gold Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower
Epic Arcs Completed: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 5x (1x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente) Level 4 Amarr = 1x Level 4 Caldari = 1x Level 4 Gallente = 1x Level 4 Minmatar = 1x
Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed: All Empire Factions
Cosmos Agents Completed: All Empire Factions = level 3 and lower
Special Agents Completed (Security Status): Christer Fuglesang = Concord Jeremy Tacs = Concord
Security Status: +5.85
I have another month to go before I can do the level 1 SoE Epic Arc again which will be used to help equal out the 4 main Factions. Next up is the Level 4 Cosmos Agents. I'll be sure to post another update of my stats after completing that.
DMC
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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
58
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Posted - 2012.01.28 09:41:00 -
[81] - Quote
nice man - wow you have been doing it for a while if you done 5x SOE Epic Arc. Shame you can only do it once in 3 months. >>> Mine is Bigger than Yours ! <<< |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1016
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:39:00 -
[82] - Quote
Gaitrie wrote:nice man - wow you have been doing it for a while if you done 5x SOE Epic Arc. Shame you can only do it once in 3 months.
Thanks.
Yeah, I actually started working and formatting the 'Plan' back in late 2009, then revised and refined it during the first half of 2010. I basically split my time between working the 'Plan' and doing exploration. The 'Plan' could have been worked much faster but I really enjoy doing exploration.
The 3 month time limit on the Epic Arcs isn't too bad. I had started the level 4 Epic Arcs right after the last time I completed the level 1 Epic Arc. In the middle of Feb, I'll be able to start it again. So basically if I was to spend a week or so between each Epic Arc doing something else such as in my case, do exploration, I'll be able to just keep doing the Epic Arcs without having long periods of waiting time.
My goal, besides achieving very high Faction standings with all Empire Factions, is to complete all Event Agents currently active in the game. That includes the Pirate Event Agents as well. Those will be worked last of course. It'll be quite a while before I can access the Faction ship BPC Agents, especially if I work the Pirate Cosmos Agents.
As for Empire Event Agents, I have the level 4 Cosmos Agents and a few Data Center Agents left to complete. I made a statement back when I first started working the 'Plan' that achieving over +7.00 standing with the 4 major Empire Factions could easily be done quickly by working this 'Plan'. It'll be interesting to see just how high my Empire standings are after completing the last of the Empire Event Agents..
DMC
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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
60
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:44:00 -
[83] - Quote
How are you going to rais ethe pirate factions. As of now my angel is like -9.x. if you do minmatar missions you will have to shoot angels cartel. >>> Mine is Bigger than Yours ! <<< |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1016
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:51:00 -
[84] - Quote
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan#Pirate_Standings
Well, basically I'll do it like how it's listed in the 'Plan'. After completing both Pirate Epic Arcs with the Social skills maxed, my standing with Angels and Guristas should be close to neutral which will allow me to start working their level 1 Cosmos Agents. I may have to wait until I complete the Pirate Epic Arcs a 2nd time to complete the higher level Pirate Cosmos Agents.
I'm not looking to make all Pirate Factions positive since my goal is to just complete all Event Agents in the game. I figure with high Empire Faction standings, I can afford the standing hits to complete the Pirate Cosmos Agents since there's only 7 agents for each of those 2 Pirate Factions. After that, I'll add the Pirate Epic Arcs into rotation with the other Epic Arcs to continue raising Angel and Guristas Faction standings along with the Empire Factions.
DMC
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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
60
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Posted - 2012.01.28 19:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
But if you do the Epic Arcs for the pirate faction doe you not shoot the other faction ships - and will that not give you a big negative in the other factions - even if you are at >+5. >>> Mine is Bigger than Yours ! <<< |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1018
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:14:00 -
[86] - Quote
Well, I've never done the Pirate Epic Arcs but they're probably set up like the level 4 Epic Arcs, large Faction standing increase with little to no negative standing hits.
For more info about the Pirate Epic Arcs, best to get in touch with a player who has done the Pirate Epic Arcs quite a few times and also sells support packages (guide with bookmarks) for those arcs - Substantia Nigra - she posted a reply in this thread - page 1 post 7 - her signature has a link to info about the Pirate Support Packages.
Anyway, like I said, my goal is to complete all Event Agents in this game. I won't work the Pirate Event Agents untill after I've completed all the Empire Event Agents, by then my standings should be really high.
If the Pirate Epic Arcs have a lot of Faction standing hits, I'll only complete them once or twice, just enough to work the Pirate Cosmos Agents. That way I can complete my goal.
DMC
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OfBalance
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.01.29 01:24:00 -
[87] - Quote
DMC,
"The Plan" wrote:The Level 3 and Level 4 Epic mission arcs require a specific amount of positive standing with the starting Agents Corporation or Faction for access. If using Corporation standing for access, the Faction must be above -2.00 standing.
I take this to mean you do not need standing with all agent corps involved in an epic arc? ie. 5.0 standing with Expert Distribution allows full completion of 'Penumbra,' or am I misinterpreting?
Oh and congrats on the impressive standing numbers there. Very nice. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1020
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Posted - 2012.01.29 05:16:00 -
[88] - Quote
OfBalance,
Thanks, wait til I complete the level 4 Cosmos Agents and do another round or two of Epic Arcs.
Yes, you only need to have +5.00 or higher corporation standing and above -2.00 Faction standing with the level 4 epic arc starting agent. After that, the rest of the agents in the Arcs don't check your standings. The level 4 arcs are mainly high sec locations with a few missions in low sec but those are usually small courier missions.
The level 1 SoE epic arc doesn't require any standing to start, but it does require you to travel in all Empire Factions space. So you'll want to have all Empire Factions above -5.00 standing and your personal security status above -2.00 standing. If not, then Faction Navy NPC's will attack. All missions are high sec locations.
The level 3 Pirate epic arcs require +3.00 or higher corporation standing and above -2.00 Faction standing with the starting agent. There's 3 different starting agents for these arcs. 1 Pirate agent and 2 Empire agents. The Pirate arcs are set up for small ships, such as Interceptors and the missions are located in 0.0 space.
I hope this answers your question. Good luck to you and much success.
DMC
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1027
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:13:00 -
[89] - Quote
Just wanted to update everyone on my progress so far.
My last update had Caldari well above +6.00 and Gallente below +6.00. I need to work both Gallente and Caldari level 4 cosmos agents at the same time due to the huge amount of standing, both negative and positive, that will be incurred. Doing so will basically continue raising all the Factions and insure that I won't be locked out.
My previous statistics:
Empire Faction Standings - Modified (Base): Caldari State +6.81 (+6.01), Amarr Empire +6.10 (+5.12), Minmatar Republic +5.93 (+4.91), Gallente Federation +5.84 (+4.80), The Interbus +5.04 (+3.80), Khanid Kingdom +4.59 (+3.23), Ammatar Mandate +4.46 (+3.07), Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),
I had to do some creative missioning to balance my standings out a bit more and raise Gallente standing for access to their level 4 Cosmos agents without locking out the Caldari level 4 Cosmos agents. I did some regular mission grinding for storyline offers from Gallente and SoE. I completed a storyline mission for level 1, 2 and 3 Gallente agents and one storyline for SoE level 1 agent. Hopefully I can now start working the level 4 Gallente and Caldari Cosmos agents at the same time. When I say at the same time, that means having a mission from each Faction active in the journal.
My current statistics:
Empire Standings - Modified (Base): Caldari State +6.58 (+5.73), Minmatar Republic +6.04 (+5.05), Amarr Empire +6.01 (+5.01), Gallente Federation +6.00 (+5.00), The Interbus +5.05 (+3.82), Khanid Kingdom +4.49 (+3.11), Ammatar Mandate +4.32 (+2.90), Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),
Social Skills: Social lv 5 Connections lv 5 Fast Talk lv 5 Diplomacy lv 5 Negotiation lv 5
Data Center Tags completed: Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - need Gold Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Gold Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower
Epic Arcs Completed: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 5x (1x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente) Level 4 Amarr = 1x Level 4 Caldari = 1x Level 4 Gallente = 1x Level 4 Minmatar = 1x
Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed: All Empire Factions
Cosmos Agents Completed: All Empire Factions = level 3 and lower
Special Agents Completed (Security Status): Christer Fuglesang = Concord Jeremy Tacs = Concord
Security Status: +5.85 |
Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:07:00 -
[90] - Quote
Dunno if I should start a separate thread, but ran into some Circle Agents woes.
Quote:Hi,
The Circle agents don't necessarily give any standings increase. There is just 1 agent in the line which can give a standings increase, he has 2 missions and 1 of them is once-per-character and gives a standing increase. If you did the other mission, you won't get any. This is not a bug, repeatable missions shouldn't give standing increases.
Best regards, GM **** EVE Online Customer Support
I may have worded it wrong, I got Corp Standings increase but no Amarr Empire Faction Standing increase. I should have gotten an Empire Faction boost from at least one of the Circle Agents, correct?
As a side note, Ain Ikani gives me no more missions, get the standard I have no more work for you message.
===============Update================ Holy crap! I see the problem and I think I fixed it myself. Will post full details here shortly.
========UPDATE 2===================== yep, fixed it myself, here is what happened
I went to check my transactions for time period I did the Amarr Circle Agents, so on my log I start with Ain Ikani
- 1/24/2012 @ 22:15 To The Front Lines
- 1/24/2012 @ 22:27 Robotics For Sarum Family
- 1/24/2012 @ 22:36 Cargo Transportation
- 1/24/2012 @ 22:43 Equipping The Troops
- 1/24/2012 @ 22:55 Ready for Relocation
See anything wrong? The second mission per Evelopedia should have been "The Carthum Executive". So I went to visit Ilia Abazen again and once again she gave me "Robotics for Sarum Family". On a hunch I went ahead and did it then ran back to her. The next mission she gave me was "The Carthum Executive" and it had the text at the top about this is an important storyline mission, etc. Did this mission and bam! I got my Empire Faction boost.
It appears I got a regular mission instead of the Circle mission when I first went to this particular agent. So the lesson here is to double check the missions you completed against the Evelopedia information. If you get a regular mission, just do it and go back to that agent until you get the right mission. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1031
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:42:00 -
[91] - Quote
Romeo Deluxe, thanks for posting that.
Yes, only 1 agent in the group will give a Faction standing increase only once in the life of the character. The standing increase is small and might not show just from looking at your standings. In the character sheet - standings section - right click the Faction and select 'show transactions'. The name of one of the missions those agents offer should be listed.
If you've never completed those agents before and you haven't received a Faction standing increase from one of the agents in the group, politely request that the petition be escalated to a Senior GM / Dev.
As for those missions always being repeatable, they used to be like that quite a while ago. Now I'm not so sure about them due to CCP doing a lot of changes to various agents over the past years. I had contacted CCP about the Circle Agents a couple of years ago when I was creating a page for them in the Evelopedia.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Circle_Agents
After quite a few messages back and forth regarding the Circle Agents, I was informed that the amount of the player's personal security status will affect the agents offering more missions. Supposedly if your security status is between -1.00 and +1.00 those agents will continue offering their missions. I don't know if the GM / Dev misunderstood my question or what.
Anyway that explanation still doesn't sound very plausible to me but since CCP is known for having agents act strangely, I wouldn't doubt it. The whole situation was turning into a major time sink for me when all I wanted to do was create an Evelopedia page about them.
That's the reason I included this statement in the opening description about the 'Circle Agents' : Quote:There have been reports that some of these Agents are overworked and will no longer offer repeatable missions. However, that information has yet to be verified.
Well, I hope I was able to shed some light on your situation and like I already stated - If you've never completed those agents before and you didn't received a Faction standing increase from one of the agents in the group, politely request that the petition be escalated to a Senior GM / Dev.
Good luck to you,
DMC
EDIT: Ahhh, I see you got your Faction standing mission offer from them. I guess CCP added that other mission to that agent since it wasn't there before back when I completed those agents. I guess it's intended to be like the other Circle Agent groups where only 1 agent in the group offers 2 missions back to back, with the 2nd mission being the Faction standing increase. If the agent didn't offer those 2 missions automatically, probably be a good idea to file a bug report about it. The Evelopedia page should be updated as well. |
Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:13:00 -
[92] - Quote
You might want to add something similar to what I said at the end, but phrased a little better for the Evelopedia page
Quote:You may get a regular mission instead of the Circle mission listed from a particular agent. So the lesson here is to double check the missions you completed against the Evelopedia information. If you get a regular mission, just do it and go back to that agent until you get the right Circle mission.
Anyways, on to the next challenge. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1031
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:21:00 -
[93] - Quote
Yeah, actually that agent should offer those 2 missions back to back automatically. Not doing so sounds more like a bug to me which should be reported. Maybe you could file that report? Anyway, good job on finding that bug and a work-around solution for it.
Thanks again for posting that information.
DMC
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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.02 22:15:00 -
[94] - Quote
I had a bit more communication with the GM's and this my final say on the matter. I have other things to do. Quote:I disagree and this is a bug. Ikani gave me a referral to Abazen. I did the mission for Abazen and it was the wrong mission for Faction, it was a regular Corp Mission, but still Abazen gave me a referral to the next agent in the Circle Nakan. The referral should have been triggered by the Faction mission and not by the repeatable Corp mission.
However, the player community now has the right info and can get around this minor bug. It may cause confusion but one can still get the one time Faction boost.
I noticed someone added the mission 'Robotics For Sarum Family' to the Circle Agents page. I don't know if that mission ever gives Faction Standing. Oh well, this is now up to others to gather info on, I'm deep in the Data Centers now. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1035
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Posted - 2012.02.03 03:23:00 -
[95] - Quote
Thanks for the update.
The mission - 'Robotics for Sarum Family' - was offered to you first before the Faction standing mission - 'The Carthum Executive'.
That makes it follow the same pattern as the other Factions Circle Agent groups. I added the mission name info to the Evelopedia page. I just wanted to make sure everyone has complete up to date information pertaining to the Event Agents..
Thanks again for posting that info. If you happen to find any other inconsistency, please post it here.
DMC
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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:53:00 -
[96] - Quote
Another anomaly of Circle Agents! The Minmatar gave me 3 empire faction boosts.
Call to Arms Native Freshfood Special Coolant Run
So if you get a boost early in the list of agents, don't stop there and keep going for possibly more standings with empires. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1125
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Posted - 2012.02.14 10:35:00 -
[97] - Quote
Nice, and gratz.
DMC
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GF07M8
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:26:00 -
[98] - Quote
A question about one of the L4 empire epic arcs. I would be more specific, but I am trying to avoid more traffic coming to hunt me so I will be as vague as I can.
I am on a chain that has taken me to lowsec where I have plenty of experience getting around in my cloaky+hard-to-probe tengu; however, I have not used said tengu to run difficult missions so much as easier exploration sites before. Again, being vague as to avoid further proliferation in local here: do the lowsec missions have a similar level of fire-power I have come to expect from the other L4 epic arc missions?
I ask because my tengu's tank has been tested quite a few times already and with the dual ECCM/cloak setup I have to take a fairly substantial hit to my tank and dps. I could drop the cloak for in-system missions, but due to the not-inconsequential traffic in the area I don't think it wise to leave it off for gate to gate travel. I'm working with one account so ye ol' scout-ahead trick will be quite impossible to manage. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1126
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Posted - 2012.02.14 20:59:00 -
[99] - Quote
That's a good question.
All the guides and info I've seen about the low sec paths for the level 4 arcs are mainly courier type missions. There are a few encounter missions in low sec but those are not as tough as the high sec encounter missions.
I referenced both the Evelopedia and Eve-Survival for info about the missions before I made a choice of which path to follow.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Right_to_Rule (Amarr)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Penumbra (Caldari)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Syndication (Gallente)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wildfire (Minmatar)
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc
For the Epic Arcs, I started with a T2 rigged Faction / Deadspace fitted T2 Command Ship (Sleipnir) then switched to a T2 rigged Faction / Deadspace fitted T3 Strategic Cruiser (Loki). The extra cost of the Faction / Deadspace modules is well worth it, allowing the missions to be completed much easier and faster. The T3 Cruiser has higher defense, smaller signature radius, faster speed and quicker align time. Of course it also has less DPS output but it can still kill the NPC's.
The only mission I had trouble with was the very last mission of the Caldari level 4 epic arc due to NPC EWAR perma jamming. Using FoF missiles will take a long time to complete it solo. To quickly complete that mission, just have a fleet member or two take out the EWAR NPC's.
Hope this info helps, good luck to you.
DMC
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
515
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:19:00 -
[100] - Quote
GF07M8 wrote: do the lowsec missions have a similar level of fire-power I have come to expect from the other L4 epic arc missions?
The short answer is no! The lvl4 epic arc missions that take you into lowsec and nullsec are generally pretty cruisy missions from the DPS / encounter perspective. The areas where they happen are also pretty quiet. Unlike the pirate arcs the systems seem to be fixed (or mebbe I have just got the same systems by chance everytime).
Check out the details in Jowen Datloran's excellent guides - http://lorebook.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=1&Itemid=2
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1126
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:00:00 -
[101] - Quote
Substantia Nigra, thanks for posting that info. I totally forgot to include it with my previous reply.
And it's even linked as one of the guides listed in 'The Plan'.
Embarrassing to say the least, especially since I had also referenced it a couple of times while working the Epic Arcs.
Sorry bout that and much 'Creds' to Jowen Datloran and his excellent Eve Online Lorebook.
DMC
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:04:00 -
[102] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Substantia Nigra, thanks for posting that info.
LOL, of course I could have said ...
Quote:Hek dood! Why you want to do those baby girl lvl4 epic arcs when the pirate arcs are waiting for you to go prove yourself a real woman? C'mon get real, they only stir the blood with a few glancing blows into dangerous space. Yawn!! Now the pirate arcs, they're different. They're way off deep in nullsec, all the way, and little girls who aren't careful get killed there ... many times. The pirate arcs also pay way better, and you can complete them in a rifter ... if you got the guts for it. Of course, being the kind-hearted vendor that I am, I can sell you a brilliant support package to assist you in completing the pirate arcs, having all the fun, and pocketing all those iskies. Check out our uber information page, and buy, buy, buy! All the good stuff is here!
But of course I would never hijack your thread with such a brash marketing ploy, especially at risk of CCP sanction.
/me wanders off to report self for off-topic posting.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
GF07M8
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:37:00 -
[103] - Quote
Lmao, thanks you two. Just the confidence boost I needed.
ps. IMHO there should be a public channel for this kind of stuff (or maybe there is and I fail at finding it) and a little camaraderie between event mission enthusiasts.
pps. I will be one of your customers sooner or later Substantia, I just need to finish my work in empire. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1127
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:48:00 -
[104] - Quote
No problem giving 'Creds' when it's due and thank you both for posting.
As for the Pirate Epic Arc Support Packages, I always refer those to other players looking to repair Pirate standings.
Anyway, I hope you both have continued good luck and quickly achieve your goals.
DMC
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Duff Man Nex
Duff Beer Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:13:00 -
[105] - Quote
Seriously great plan! I've used it on 2 occasions to help me raise my standings. Thanks a lot. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1214
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:54:00 -
[106] - Quote
Duff Man Nex,
You're welcome and thank you very much for posting. It's always good to hear 'The Plan' has helped players, especially when it's helped them twice.
May you have continued good luck and much success.
DMC
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Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
8
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:46:00 -
[107] - Quote
Question, i've taken a look at the 15 career agent for amarr here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Career_Agents but all are in space where amarr empire have Sovereignty, and i have -6.50 standing with amarr empire, so i don't think i can do them without getting shoot at? Or am i missing something?
Edit: Or maybe i need to find missions for Ammatar Mandate, and get under -5.0 with amarr empire through them first? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1487
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Posted - 2012.04.10 09:23:00 -
[108] - Quote
Kallie Rae, I can't really say due to various factors involved and lack of information pertaining to your standings and skills.
First and foremost, do not accept anti-Empire missions and train up the Diplomacy skill to raise your current negative standings. Training the Social skill will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions. If you're involved with Factional Warfare, best to leave that.
Anyway, using the premise that Amarr is your lowest Empire Faction standing:
After training Diplomacy level 5 and Amarr Faction is still -5.00 or lower standing, hopefully Caldari standing is higher. If Caldari Faction is above -5.00 standing, work the Caldari Event Agents listed in the 'Plan' to gain derived standing increase towards Amarr and when Amarr get's above -5.00 standing, work the Amarr Event Agents.
After training Diplomacy level 5 and Caldari Faction is still -5.00 or lower standing, complete level 1 missions and storylines for Caldari agent located in your friendly space where you can safely travel. After getting Caldari above -5.00 standing, start working the Caldari Event Agents listed in the 'Plan' and when Amarr gets above -5.00 standing, work the Amarr Event Agents.
Hope this is helpful.
DMC
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Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
9
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Posted - 2012.04.10 12:38:00 -
[109] - Quote
Thanks for the answer =)
Well my Caldari State standing is -3.93, so doing the career agents with caldari state is my best bet atm? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1490
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:45:00 -
[110] - Quote
Yeah,
I suggest first working the Caldari level 1 Data Centers 'Graduation Certificate' agents. There's three different 'Cert' agents available along with another agent listed on the signed 'Cert' who introduces you to yet another agent for a total of 5 different level 1 agents that can be completed very quickly.
Hopefully those 5 agents will boost the Amarr Faction up above -5.00 standing allowing you to access the Amarr agents listed in the 'Plan'. If not, continue working the Caldari Event Agents till the Amarr Faction is above -5.00 standing, then switch to the Amarr Event Agents.
Don't forget the various social skills listed in the 'Plan'. They help a lot.
Good Luck and much success to you.
DMC
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Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
10
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:50:00 -
[111] - Quote
Another little question, you can only deliver the Graduation Certificate once? Got to the second system with another agent that gave me the same certification, and sent me to the same npc, but that npc doesn't have anything more to give me, so i guess it's only once? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1497
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:31:00 -
[112] - Quote
Kallie Rae,
Yes, the 3 'Certs' all have the same agent name listed on them but all 3 of those Data Center 'Cert' missions give Faction standing increase. The agent listed on the 'Cert' can only be accessed once and only requires 1 of those 3 'Certs' for access.
Basically you'll end up with extra signed 'Certs'. If you complete all 3 'Cert' missions and then take 1 of the 3 'Certs' to the agent listed on the 'Cert' and complete missions for that agent, you'll also meet another agent to complete. That makes a total of 5 different agents that pertain to the 'Cert' missions.
Hope that explains it, if you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
DMC
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Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
11
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:21:00 -
[113] - Quote
Got it done, and got my standing with Amarr under -5.0. Down to -4.50 actually.
Thanks for the help, and for this excellent guide =) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1500
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:01:00 -
[114] - Quote
Ahhh, good to hear that.
Now you can enter Amarr space without being attacked by the Faction Navy NPC's and access the Amarr Event Agents if you so desire.
Anyway, thanks for posting and good luck to you.
DMC
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Storm TeaCup
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:03:00 -
[115] - Quote
Just wanted to say thanks for an excellent guide!
This faction standing business is pretty complicated (for me anyway) and without your guide I would have struggled in understanding how to fix mine efficiently.
Your time and effort has been much appreciated. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1523
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:36:00 -
[116] - Quote
Storm TeaCup,
Thank you very much for posting. It's always great to hear how the 'Plan' is helping players.
I hope you have continued good luck and much success in the future.
DMC
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Chaotic Cannon
S0utherN Comfort Cascade Imminent
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:16:00 -
[117] - Quote
Question on where to start as I have read so I am actually confused more now since there are so many things to do...
I am a Caldari Character. I used to grind a ton of mining missions for a Caldari NPC and some courier missions with Security missions mixed in.
Currently I rat mostly now for isk, or incursion, or PI or whatever is going on.
This is my breakdown
Social 4 Connections 2 Diplo 3
Faction Standings are: Caldari: 1.67 (from 0.95) Ammar 1.24 (from 0.48) Gallente 0.57 (from -0.72) Minmatar 0.22 (from -1.11) Angel Cartel 0.21 (from -1.13) Blood Raider -0.68 (from -2.14) Guristas Pirates -0.71 (from -2.17)
I want to increase faction and fix pirate standings.
Where do I start and what it best to do?
Thanks |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1926
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:20:00 -
[118] - Quote
Chaotic Cannon,
To build up positive standing with both Empire and Pirate Factions at the same time will take longer and requires a bit more selective mission work. The easiest way is by completing all of the Epic Arcs every 3 months.
First, finish training up the various social skills, at least to level 4. For max results, train them all to level 5.
Social Diplomacy Connections Criminal Connections Negotiation
While training up those skills, you could start building up standings with the various NPC Corporations of the Epic Arc starting Agents. Completing regular missions for Distribution (Courier) or Mining divisions is a good way to build up Corporation standing to help minimize negative standing hits towards the other Factions.
After building up standings for access to all Epic Arcs, you can start running them one right after the other.
I hope this answers your question.
DMC
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
666
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:48:00 -
[119] - Quote
Kallie Rae wrote:Question, i've taken a look at the 15 career agent for amarr here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Career_Agents but all are in space where amarr empire have Sovereignty, and i have -6.50 standing with amarr empire, so i don't think i can do them without getting shoot at? Or am i missing something? Edit: Or maybe i need to find missions for Ammatar Mandate, and get under -5.0 with amarr empire through them first? Edit2: Any idea how long it will take doing missions for Ammatar, before i get under -5.0? You can always do level 1 missions. Just find an agent for the same faction.
Example: * Joint Harvesting, an Amarr corporation, has a level 1 security agent in Minmatar space. * Nugoeihuvi Corporation, a Caldari Corporation, has a level 1 security agent in Gallente space. * Chemal Tech, a Gallente corporation, has a level 1 security agent in Caldari space. * Freedom Extension, a Minmatar corporation, has a level 1 security agent in Amarr space.
There are others to choose from, some with better level 2-4 agents. You just have to do a search: http://eve-agents.com/
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Octarius Eskravu
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:04:00 -
[120] - Quote
Hi,
My question is really simple, i know that if i join a corp my standings will only affect corporal standings after 7 days after i join. But, since i am in this corp for several years now, my doubt is if the standing repair that i am starting now, will affect immediatly the corp standings or does it also have the 7 day delay? |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
666
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:02:00 -
[121] - Quote
Octarius Eskravu wrote:Hi,
My question is really simple, i know that if i join a corp my standings will only affect corporal standings after 7 days after i join. But, since i am in this corp for several years now, my doubt is if the standing repair that i am starting now, will affect immediatly the corp standings or does it also have the 7 day delay? If you have been in the corp for more than 7 days, your standings changes will affect the corp standing at the next downtime.
Corp standings are calculated at every downtime. |
Nerror theTerror
SD Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:31:00 -
[122] - Quote
Nice to see the plan here joined the Wiki section.
Been almost a year since I actively played and ran missions, and WOW it's a lot easier now with the snazzy Agent Finder and without the agent quality thingy. I had spreadsheets and what-not before, having to spend time researching and planning out which agents to go to next to achieve my plan of world domination. I did train up to a Tengu in the meantime, so I'm blitzing through missions compared to last time.
As far as I can tell, there hasn't really been any major changes to the standing mechanics has there? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1995
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:48:00 -
[123] - Quote
Octarius Eskravu, thanks for posting that question.
A special thank you to Tau Cabalander for answering that question and for contributing more information to this thread.
Nerror theTerror, welcome back.
Thanks, I figured adding 'The Plan' to the Evelopedia would make it easily accessible to more people.
As for changes, you're probably already familiar with changes that has happened to Event Agents over this past year or so.
The old original Tutorial Agents who offered 'The Endless Battle' missions were forced into early retirement. The initial post of this thread contains a link for a proposal to re-activate those agents. All agents except for Cosmos Agents (Cosmos still use old original quality level for access) were changed with the 'Agents Made Easy' expansion. Various different Event Agents are basically bugged / broken and or indisposed at this time requiring a petition to be filed either for access or to receive the appropriate Faction standing increase..
Other than that, gaining Corporation standing to access Epic Arcs and Data Center Agents is a lot easier.
DMC
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Kalpel
KBM
14
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Posted - 2012.05.19 05:42:00 -
[124] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:The original 'Plan' that was posted in the old forums has been updated and added to the Evelopedia now. I hope it helps everyone as much as the old one did. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_PlanAny questions or comments pertaining to the 'Plan' can be posted in this thread. Good luck and much success to you all. DMC 2010.04.17 @ 05:03:00 Xylopia posted this original quote by: The History Quote: "DeMichael Crimson single-handedly compiled bits of shattered, hidden wisdoms into a great milestone that lead to true peace with most recognized powers of New Eden. In doing so, he so bravely rescued uncountable numbers of cursed souls from evil CCP's bloody hands that CCP's grudging evil groan is still heard these days"
We should be able to use tags like the -10 types! You failed to target nothing!-áGëívGëí online |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2002
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:57:00 -
[125] - Quote
Kalpel wrote:
We should be able to use tags like the -10 types!
Kalpel, thanks for posting.
I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, maybe the new security status changes in the upcoming Inferno expansion?
Anyway, Data Center Agents offer players a Faction standing increase in exchange for Pirate Dog Tags, such as Angel Copper Tags, Guristas Bronze Tags, etc.
DMC
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2012.05.20 00:05:00 -
[126] - Quote
Quick question: I read in another thread recently that someone recommended doing all three schools for a faction to get faction standing up. I seem to recall that you could only do tutorial missions for one school, then you're done. Is that not the case? Can I do all three schools for faction boost? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2011
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:29:00 -
[127] - Quote
Katja Faith,
There are 15 Career Agents for each of the 4 main Empire Factions. Each of those 4 main Empire Factions has 3 different starter schools with 5 Career Agents located in each station. You can complete each Career Agent only once in the life of your character.
So basically the answer is yes - you can do all three schools for Faction standing boost. You can also work the allied Factions agents as well.
The total amount of Career Agents available in this game is 60.
DMC
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:10:00 -
[128] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So basically the answer is yes - you can do all three schools for Faction standing boost. You can also work the allied Factions agents as well.
Ah, good to know. Thanks much, DMC! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2018
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Posted - 2012.05.20 19:08:00 -
[129] - Quote
You're welcome and thanks for posting.
I hope you have much success working 'The Plan'.
DMC
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:51:00 -
[130] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:You're welcome and thanks for posting. I hope you have much success working 'The Plan'. DMC
Actually, the plan got my main from -6.x to (at this point) -2.04... Grinding L1's that last .05 to get below -2 (and get me into Minnie Level 2's) is absolutely painful... |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2035
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Posted - 2012.05.21 06:56:00 -
[131] - Quote
Ahhh, congrats for the standing increase. Always good to hear 'The Plan' is helping players.
Anyway, the Career, Circle and Data Center 'Cert' agents are all level 1 and always available. If you've already completed those for a specific Faction and still haven't reached the desired amount of Faction standing, you can gain derived standing increase by completing the same agents for that Factions ally.
Good luck to you.
DMC
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Tekali
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:54:00 -
[132] - Quote
this might be a stupid question, i might have missed something in the many pages of replies or even through the guide however despite pushing forward im still slightly confused on one point...
once completing agents for my lowest faction to proceed to do the same for its ally correct? (amarr first then caldari) once i have done the lvl 1 agents for these 2 factions do i then do all lvl 1 agents for gallente and minmatar and see saw myself up to lvl 4 agents?
my apologies if this is stupid or i seem delirious i just feel im missing something in my head and would like clarification.
ps your guide is incredible and useful and i cant wait for the day i log on and have +5 across all empire factions. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2471
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:03:00 -
[133] - Quote
Tekali,
That's a very good question and thanks for the complement.
Basically 'The Plan' is exactly that, a plan that can be modified to fit each players specific needs. The initial starting steps are basically the same for everyone and then changes depending on each players particular situation.
Based on standings, some players can work a couple levels of unfriendly Factions Event Agents before needing to 'bounce' over to the friendly Factions Event Agents.
Since you're Gallente, usually the Caldari Faction would be the lowest unfriendly Faction with Amarr being the highest unfriendly Faction. Going with that presumption, then Amarr Faction would be quicker to access due to having a higher standing than Caldari. That's why 'The Plan' states : "start with the Empire Faction that has the highest negative Faction standing above -5.00"
That basically allows you to quickly start working 'The Plan' instead of spending a lot of time grinding regular level 1 missions to gain storyline for the lowest unfriendly Faction. Now if both unfriendly Factions are above -5.00 standing, then it doesn't matter which one you start with. After working all the level 1 Event Agents for both unfriendly Factions, you can then start working the level 2 Event Agents for those Factions.
In most cases, after completing the unfriendly level 2 Event Agents is when you'll have to 'bounce' over to the friendly Factions. Of course this all depends on how much of a difference there is between the unfriendly and friendly Faction standings. When you do 'bounce' over to the friendly Factions, just follow the same steps as before when working the unfriendly Factions, meaning start with the level 1 Event Agents.
As for your questions :
Quote:once completing agents for my lowest faction to proceed to do the same for its ally correct? (amarr first then caldari) Yes, that is correct.
Quote:once i have done the lvl 1 agents for these 2 factions do i then do all lvl 1 agents for gallente and minmatar and see saw myself up to lvl 4 agents? Normally you can work the level 1 and level 2 agents associated with the unfriendly Factions before needing to 'bounce' over to your friendly Factions.
Main thing to remember is keep watch on your Faction standings and 'bounce' over to the opposite Faction whenever needed. When you start doing that, that's when you'll be riding the 'See-Saw' on up to the level 4 Agents.
I hope this answered your question.
DMC
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Tekali
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:10:00 -
[134] - Quote
thank you for your prompt response, you have answered my questions perfectly - it was more confusion really - like you i have a desire to go full out pve and complete all event agents as i feel its somewhat of an untouched part of eve.But thanks to you i now have a somewhat order :D so thank you very much. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2472
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:20:00 -
[135] - Quote
Cool, there's nothing wrong with asking questions to gain a better understanding, especially when it pertains to 'The Plan'.. I've always believed that Information is King and Conversation is it's Queen.
That's the main reason this thread was created.
Of course I do like seeing creds bestowed too.
DMC |
Tekali
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:27:00 -
[136] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Cool, there's nothing wrong with asking questions to gain a better understanding, especially when it pertains to 'The Plan'.. I've always believed that Information is King and Conversation is it's Queen. That's the main reason this thread was created. Of course I do like seeing creds bestowed too. DMC
Well ive been playing almost a year & 1/2 , and never felt i delved much into the game, however having just returned i though this time round i would go somewhere and accomplish something. That's when i stumbled upon your "plan" and i was sold hahah my year is planned i will make sure to show you the result :)
have a good one buddy and thankyou very much |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2472
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:38:00 -
[137] - Quote
Great, thank you very much and much success to you.
I had bounced back and forth on the level 4 agents and got my standings up above +6.00 for the top 4 Empire Factions, unfortunately there were still some Amarr and Caldari agents left. I could have stopped there but my goal is to complete all Event Agents available in this game and decided to do them as well.
Needless to say Minmatar and Gallente are getting hit but thanks to the Epic Arcs, they can be brought back up later. I have about 8 or 9 agents left to complete and then I'll have all Empire Event Agents completed. Next up will be the Pirate Event Agents, of course that will be done after a rather large buffer is created by running the level 4 Epic Arcs.
DMC
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Versuvius Marii
SteamPunk Engineering Ironworks Coalition
85
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:19:00 -
[138] - Quote
I'm going to attempt this starting from a level of -10.0 with the Gallente. I've spent about 3 years getting it that low, the only reason I'm changing it now is because of a need for jump clones. So... wish me luck? The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2804
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:29:00 -
[139] - Quote
Versuvius Marii wrote:I'm going to attempt this starting from a level of -10.0 with the Gallente. I've spent about 3 years getting it that low, the only reason I'm changing it now is because of a need for jump clones. So... wish me luck?
-10 with Gallente?
Ouch, hopefully Minmatar Faction standing is higher. If so, start with Minmatar since that would help decrease the amount of time spent grinding missions with a level 1 agent to get above -5.00 standing. Then you can work 'The Plan'.
Anyway, you got a lot of work ahead of you and yes, most definitely 'Good Luck' to you.
DMC
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Versuvius Marii
SteamPunk Engineering Ironworks Coalition
86
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Posted - 2012.06.17 21:10:00 -
[140] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Versuvius Marii wrote:I'm going to attempt this starting from a level of -10.0 with the Gallente. I've spent about 3 years getting it that low, the only reason I'm changing it now is because of a need for jump clones. So... wish me luck? -10 with Gallente? Ouch, hopefully Minmatar Faction standing is higher. If so, start with Minmatar since that would help decrease the amount of time spent grinding missions with a level 1 agent to get above -5.00 standing. Then you can work 'The Plan'. Anyway, you got a lot of work ahead of you and yes, most definitely 'Good Luck' to you. DMC Yeah, Minmatar is only on -3.15 after skills, I've avoided shooting them where possible. I guess I could start there, I've spent all day grinding away with Quafe and felt like I was getting nowhere any time soon! So cheers for the tip :) The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2815
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:44:00 -
[141] - Quote
Great, with -3.15 Minmatar Faction standing, you can work the Minmatar Event Agents which will help raise Gallente standing quite a bit and when Gallente get's above -5.00 Faction standing, you can then work the Gallente Event Agents.
Of course you'll also receive negative derived standing hits towards the other Factions which is why it's important to keep watch on the standings as they change and 'bounce' to the opposite Faction when needed.
To minimize constantly getting derived standings, when you have all major Factions above -5.00 standing, you can then mainly concentrate on working the Epic Arcs since they give little to no derived standings.
Anyway, glad to help and hope you have much success working 'The Plan'.
DMC
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Versuvius Marii
Ghosts of CKSSA Ironworks Coalition
87
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:20:00 -
[142] - Quote
Update time.
Since I last posted, I trained Diplomacy 5 and have got Connections 5 on the go as we speak. I ran all 15 Minmatar agents and am about 11/15 done with Gallente, running them all in a Thrasher where possible(overkill maybe?), and now I'm at -2.5 with the Gallente. Once I'm done with the final four agents I should be in a position to begin my jump clone plan, touch wood. If needed it shouldn't take too long to speak with the circle agents eh?
Sadly my once glorious 9.8 with Amarr(achieved doing nothing but storylines, if I'd known about the Plan sooner it would most certainly have been higher!) is coming down, and is currently on 7.7. It's not taken as bad a hit as I thought it would but a loss was expected so I'm not exactly what you'd call disappointed.
Many thanks sir, this plan has not only enabled me to quickly get on with my own plans, but I can finally hang out with my mates in Gallente space after several years of having had the door firmly slammed in my face :D Thank you thank you thank you! The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3449
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Posted - 2012.06.29 04:58:00 -
[143] - Quote
Versuvius Marii,
Congratulations and thank you for the compliment, it's always good to know 'The Plan' is helping other players.
Yeah, shouldn't take long to run the Circle Agents if needed. Only have to complete the circle once.
Unfortunately Amarr and Caldari standings will drop, which is the reason for the 'bounce' action. However, to bypass doing the 'bounce', the Epic Arcs can bring those standings back up without really affecting the other Factions. In fact, after getting all main Factions above -2.00 standing, you could just run the Epic Arcs every 3 months and continue raising the main Factions without incurring a lot of derived standings.
Anyway, thanks for posting and I hope you have continued good luck.
DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3449
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Posted - 2012.07.06 10:57:00 -
[144] - Quote
Just putting this up for now, I've almost completed all Empire Event Agents. I have 4 more agents to complete. Seems Amarr and Caldari have a lot more level 4 Cosmos Agents which has caused my standings to get lop sided. That means I'll have to run the Epic arcs before doing these last agents.
Will update this thread when I have completed that.
DMC |
Independence Marouder
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.08.08 05:41:00 -
[145] - Quote
Ive followed this topic with great interest the last week or so and first have to give props for the insane amount of work DMC has put into this, and the continued support (and amazing patience with questions from people who clearly havent even read the plan, just want a 'fix' for their specific problem)
Ive started dabbing in the plan even tho my standings arent terrible, I figured i might as well get it done as a preventive measure instead of waiting until things got bad.
Anyways, I have a question about the Epic Arcs. I have heard that the arcs are alot harder than regular missions and was wondering if I might not yet be "up to code" for doing them. I normally run lvl4 security-missions for Fed Navy with relative ease in a mostly T2 fitted Myrmidon, but noticed that the ones posting about their Epic Arcs generally have Commandships or the like. Should I wait doing the Epic Arcs until I can run them in a T2 ship?
Again, DMC, thanks for your continued support and amazing work! |
Versuvius Marii
SteamPunk Engineering Ironworks Coalition
134
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Posted - 2012.08.28 00:41:00 -
[146] - Quote
Free bump for a solid plan. After a lot of effort I'm now on positive standings with all four empires, thanks again! The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3650
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Posted - 2012.11.25 22:12:00 -
[147] - Quote
Well, all I can say at this time is that I'm sorry for being M.I.A. Believe me, it was unavoidable.
Anyway, it's great to be back.
Independence Marouder wrote: Anyways, I have a question about the Epic Arcs. I have heard that the arcs are alot harder than regular missions and was wondering if I might not yet be "up to code" for doing them. I normally run lvl4 security-missions for Fed Navy with relative ease in a mostly T2 fitted Myrmidon, but noticed that the ones posting about their Epic Arcs generally have Commandships or the like. Should I wait doing the Epic Arcs until I can run them in a T2 ship?
Again, DMC, thanks for your continued support and amazing work!
Thanks for the complements. I guess if you're already easily doing level 4 missions, running the epic arcs shouldn't be too much of a problem.
I think it's a good idea to already have and be trained to pilot T2 and T3 ships if you're going to do Cosmos / Epic Arc missions. Also the Evelopedia, Lorebook and Eve-Survival Mission Reports (Links are in the 'Plan') have tips, notes and comments for easy completion of each mission.
Thanks for posting and again, sorry for the late reply.
DMC
Versuvius Marii,
Thank you for the friendly bump and gratz on gaining positive standings with the main four Empire Factions. I hope you have continued success.
DMC
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Lysa Riay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:25:00 -
[148] - Quote
Great plan, and glad to see you back
WB! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3891
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Posted - 2012.12.14 18:43:00 -
[149] - Quote
Lysa Riay wrote:Great plan, and glad to see you back
WB!
Lysa Riay, thank you for posting the compliment about 'The Plan' and for welcoming me back. It's good to be back here again, both in-forums and in-game.
I only have a few more Empire Cosmos Agents left to complete. However, due to Amarr and Caldari having a lot more Cosmos Agents available (Amarr has the most agents), my Faction standings have become badly lop-sided again. As such, I need to first complete the level 4 Gallente and Minmatar Epic Arcs along with the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc (complete it for Minmatar). After that my Faction standings should be back close to being equal / balanced again. Then I'll complete the last few Empire Cosmos Agents.
After completing the last few remaining Empire Event Agents available in New Eden, I'll probably run the Empire Epic Arcs a couple more times to build up a large 'Buffer Zone' before concentrating on completing the Pirate Event Agents (planed for 2013).
As usual, I'll be sure to keep you all updated on my stats as I complete various steps in my 'Plan' to complete all Event Agents available in this game.
DMC |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
151
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Posted - 2012.12.16 20:03:00 -
[150] - Quote
Okay, here's a question for you dude.
Positive Jove standings. How do I get them? ;) I don't actually want them, but it'd help answer a discussion we're having lately. The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3930
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Posted - 2012.12.17 04:21:00 -
[151] - Quote
Good question.
Well, positive Jove standings will accumulate automatically through derived standings by completing Event Agent missions for most of the major Empire factions. The same principle also applies for gaining negative derived standings.
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standings#Standing_Relationships
The 'In-Game Inter-Faction Relationships' graph is read from the top down. The 'Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier' graph is read from left to right.
Hope this info helps.
DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4377
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Posted - 2012.12.25 05:03:00 -
[152] - Quote
Just a friendly little reminder / bump to help spread a little Christmas Cheer.
Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings to EVEryone.
DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4691
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Posted - 2012.12.30 21:45:00 -
[153] - Quote
Quote:Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 26/07/2010 11:39:10
Well, I decided to find out the total amount of COSMOS agents currently available including the Faction ship offer agents. I left out the 2 CONCORD Agents that give the 'special' 1 time mission offer for security status increase and the Epic Arc Agents.
Here are the stats I found:
Total amount of COSMOS Agents = 160
Faction Totals Amarr = 32 agents Ammatar = 2 agents Caldari = 49 agents (7 no Faction Standing increase) Khanid = 1 agent Total = 84 (7 no Faction Standing increase)
Gallente = 18 agents Minmatar = 35 agents (1 no mission offer, 6 no Faction Standing increase) ORE = 2 agents Sisters of Eve = 4 agents Thukker = 7 agents Total = 66 (7 no Faction Standing increase)
Guristas = 5 agents Angel = 5 agents Total = 10 agents
Total amount per Cosmos Constellation
Amarr Cosmos = 28 agents High Security - Araz constellation = 21 agents 21 Amarr
Low Security - Kador constellation = 7 agents 3 Amarr 2 Ammatar 1 Khanid 1 Caldari
Caldari Cosmos = 52 agents High Security - Okkelen constellation = 52 agents 42 Caldari (6 no Faction Standing increase) 5 Guristas 3 Angel 1 Minmatar 1 Amarr
(Amarr Agent located in Prison Stage of Guristas Plex in Otomainen System)
Gallente Cosmos = 26 agents High Security - Algintal constellation = 26 agents 16 Gallente 5 Thukker 3 Caldari 1 Angel 1 Ore
Minmatar Cosmos = 55 agents High Security - Ani constellation = 49 agents 30 Minmatar (1 no missions, 6 no Faction Standing increase) 7 Amarr 4 Caldari (1 no Faction Standing increase) 4 SoE 1 Gallente 2 Thukker 1 Angel
Low Security - Audesder System = 6 agents 4 Minmatar 1 Gallente 1 ORE
As you can see the amount of agents for each Empire Faction definitely needs to be balanced. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4710
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Posted - 2013.01.01 07:00:00 -
[154] - Quote
Just wanted to post an update of my stats.
Empire Standings - Modified (Base): Amarr Empire +8.02 (+7.52), Caldari State +7.50 (+6.87), Ammatar Mandate +7.26 (+6.57), Khanid Kingdom +6.75 (+5.94), The Interbus +5.13 (+3.92), Gallente Federation +4.48 (+3.10), Minmatar Republic +4.24 (+2.80), Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),
Social Skills: Social lv 5 Connections lv 5 Fast Talk lv 5 Diplomacy lv 5 Negotiation lv 5
Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed: All Empire Factions
Data Center Tags completed: Minmatar = All Angel Tags Gallente = All Serpentis Tags Caldari = All Guristas Tags Amarr = All Blood Tags Ammatar = All Sansha Tags
Epic Arcs Completed: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 7x (3x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente) Level 4 Amarr = 3x Level 4 Caldari = 1x Level 4 Gallente = 2x (active) Level 4 Minmatar = 3x
Cosmos Agents Completed: All Empire Factions = level 4 and lower (4 agents left)
Special Agents Completed (Security Status): Christer Fuglesang = Concord Jeremy Tacs = Concord
Security Status: +5.85
All the main Faction standings were actually well above +6.00 after I had completed an equal amount of level 4 agents per Faction. As you can see, Minmatar and Gallente took a large hit due to Amarr and Caldari having more level 4 Cosmos Agents.
Anyway, I'm working the Epic Arcs right now to re-balance my standings. I still have 4 more Empire level 4 Cosmos Agents left to complete. After I complete those, I'll then run the Epic Arcs a few more times to build up a buffer zone before I start working the Pirate Event Agents.
As always, I'll keep you all updated on my stats and various steps in 'The Plan' to complete all Event Agents available in this game.
DMC
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Larenon en Marland
Pro Synergy ARK.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 10:16:00 -
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I started doing the Plan, and I noticed a strange thing. As far as I know, COSMOS agents only check faction standing to determine if they're giving you their missions or not. After having done the level 1 COSMOS agents in Caldari, I went over to the agent, Retin Ariato and accepted her first mission. Then I realized a few minutes later: "Whoa, how could this happen?" Because, you see, she is a level 2 COSMOS agent, but when I accepted the mission, my Caldari faction standing was not above 2.00 (which as to my understanding is required for a level 2 COSMOS agent), it was somewhere along the lines of 1.60ish... (modified by Connections skill of course) I checked my Wiyrkomi Corporation standing as well (she is an agent of that corp) but it was not above 2.00 either. Finally I checked my direct standing with her, but obviously it was not above 2.00, it was a meager 1.3 I also checked if the player corp my character is in, might have better standings with her or Caldari, but no "luck" there either.
So, I'm curious how could I accept a level 2 COSMOS agent mission if my standings were nowhere near the supposedly required 2.00
Has this been changed recently maybe? Has anyone else experienced something similar? |
Larenon en Marland
Pro Synergy ARK.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 22:04:00 -
[156] - Quote
I thought it might be helpful to someone, so I decided to post here my progress reports while working the Plan, so everyone can see how it works step-by-step and the topic gets a free on-topic bump now and then, too. :-) Mind you, my starting the Plan was not "perfect", because I dabbled in Gallente COSMOS before deciding a few days ago to start working the Plan seriously.
So, let's see the starting statistics: Level 1 Gallente COSMOS agents done I also did the SOE epic arc once, choosing Gallente at the end. Level 1 Caldari COSMOS agents done. One Level 2 Caldari COSMOS agent done (I accepted her mission just before I decided working on the plan). I also did some missioning for various agents in the past, depending on wherever I may have roamed. I tried avoiding though to accept missions going against Empire factions, with more or less success. The result of all this is that Gallente - Minmatar became my "positive" factions and Amarr - Caldari my "negative" factions. I never did go below -2.00 on either of them though, so I'm free to travel anywhere in Empire space and starting the Plan was no problem at all. Since I'm currently based in Caldari space and Caldari standing was the least negative, I started working the Plan with Caldari a few days ago and as per the description I started with the first 5 career agents.
1st update (05 February 2013) Skills: Connections, Diplomacy, Negotiations, Social Gû¦ all are at Level 3
Empire standings after all 5 career agents are done in Jouvulen. (Base / Modified by Skill)
Amarr Empire -1.02 / 0.3024 Caldari State 0.89 / 1.9832 Gallente Federation 0.48 / 1.6224 Minmatar Republic 1.05 / 2.124 Ammatar Mandate 0.2 / 1.376 Khanid Kingdom 0.5 / 1.64 The Interbus 1.07 / 2.1416
2nd update (07 February 2013) Skills: Connections, Diplomacy, Negotiations, Social Gû¦ all are at Level 3
Empire standings after all 5 career agents are done in Uitra. (Base / Modified by Skill)
Amarr Empire -0.58 / 0.6896 Caldari State 1.6 / 2.608 Gallente Federation 0.06 / 1.2528 Minmatar Republic 0.88 / 1.9744 Ammatar Mandate 0.78 / 1.8864 Khanid Kingdom 1.06 / 2.1328 The Interbus 1.25 / 2.3 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5120
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:58:00 -
[157] - Quote
Larenon en Marland wrote:
So, I'm curious how could I accept a level 2 COSMOS agent mission if my standings were nowhere near the supposedly required 2.00
Has this been changed recently maybe? Has anyone else experienced something similar?
Larenon en Marland, that's interesting to say the least. I'm not sure what the situation is pertaining to that. Maybe it was due to a bug or quite possibly you just miss-read your Faction standing when you accessed that agent. Anyway, it's an error that's definitely in your favor. Sorry I can't give you a better answer.
I'd like to point out that having Faction standing (modified) above -2.00 allows access to agents above level 1. You can freely travel through Empire space as long as you maintain Faction above -5.00 standing. If not, NPC Navy will attack.
Well, it looks like 'The Plan' is definitely helping your Faction standings. To get the best standing gain possible for completing the Event Agent missions, train up Social skill to level 5 asap. Connections skill trained up will make it easier to access higher level agents.
Thank you very much for posting and I hope you have continued good luck working 'The Plan'.
DMC |
J'Ribs
Ribsco
2
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:59:00 -
[158] - Quote
Another +1 bump to the plan.
btw: do you even mention FW as a way to increase standing?
In addition... if someone wants to JUST launch a POS, it's fastest to go for Ammatar standing by running amarr missions. They have a +11.25 standings, so they like you more than Amarr when you do a mission!
Everyone else is +10 only
(Altho remember, there's no + to doing the Sisters of Eve Epic if you decide Ammatar is for you.)
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5245
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Posted - 2013.02.10 05:04:00 -
[159] - Quote
J'Ribs,
Thanks for the bump. Always good to see that.
As for mentioning Factional Warfare, yes the standing gain is excellent but it also kills the opposing Faction Standings at the same time. The main purpose of 'The Plan' is to gain and maintain positive standing with all Empire Factions which is why I don't mention FW.
'The Plan' is more of a guide which can be customized to fit each players specific situation. Some players just need to maintain standings above -5.00 to freely travel throughout high security systems while other players may want to get a specific Faction above -2.00 standing for access to higher level agents. Still other players may use 'The Plan' to gain high Faction standings in order to anchor a POS in high security. Then there's players like me who just want to complete all Event Agents available in this game.
Anyway, thanks again for posting.
DMC |
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:19:00 -
[160] - Quote
DMC,
First, thanks so much for this plan you developed. It has really helped my other character with raising his Gallante status. He went from -2.45 to + 0.14 in just a weekend. You've helped me in the past with other forum "issues" I had in my younger days which I really appreciated.
Now to my dilemma. My standings for this pilot(which does missions and exploring)are as follows:
Gallante: 7.30 6.78 Minmater: 6.71 6.08 Amarr: -4.95 -6.99 Caldari: -3.21 -5.01 Sec Status: 5.0023
What part of the plan could I benefit to raise my Amarr and Caldari standings without losing standing with the other two? The reason for this is I want to use this pilot to put up a POS in High Sec for my Indy pilot to run. At the moment by raising my Gallante standings a bit more I could pick from .5,.6, or .7 systems. And I don't want to jepordize that working on Amarr and Caldari standings. Thx in advance for any advise you could give.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
723
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:08:00 -
[161] - Quote
Zornia Estemaire wrote:DMC, First, thanks so much for this plan you developed. It has really helped my other character with raising his Gallante status. He went from -2.45 to + 0.14 in just a weekend. You've helped me in the past with other forum "issues" I had in my younger days which I really appreciated. Now to my dilemma. My standings for this pilot(which does missions and exploring)are as follows: Gallante: 7.30 6.78 Minmater: 6.71 6.08 Amarr: -4.95 -6.99 Caldari: -3.21 -5.01 Sec Status: 5.0023 What part of the plan could I benefit to raise my Amarr and Caldari standings without losing standing with the other two? The reason for this is I want to use this pilot to put up a POS in High Sec for my Indy pilot to run. At the moment by raising my Gallante standings a bit more I could pick from .5,.6, or .7 systems. And I don't want to jepordize that working on Amarr and Caldari standings. Thx in advance for any advise you could give.
Epic arcs, repeatable once every 3 months. Everything else has a derived standing hit towards opposing faction. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5319
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:27:00 -
[162] - Quote
Zornia Estemaire wrote:DMC, First, thanks so much for this plan you developed. It has really helped my other character with raising his Gallante status. He went from -2.45 to + 0.14 in just a weekend. You've helped me in the past with other forum "issues" I had in my younger days which I really appreciated. Now to my dilemma. My standings for this pilot(which does missions and exploring)are as follows: Gallante: 7.30 6.78 Minmater: 6.71 6.08 Amarr: -4.95 -6.99 Caldari: -3.21 -5.01 Sec Status: 5.0023 What part of the plan could I benefit to raise my Amarr and Caldari standings without losing standing with the other two? The reason for this is I want to use this pilot to put up a POS in High Sec for my Indy pilot to run. At the moment by raising my Gallante standings a bit more I could pick from .5,.6, or .7 systems. And I don't want to jepordize that working on Amarr and Caldari standings. Thx in advance for any advise you could give. Zornia Estemaire,
Thanks for the compliment and positive review. It's always good to see that. Yeah, I remember those 'Issues' very well. It's definitely much better now due to CCP, ISD and CCL. I believe that problem will never again be an issue like it was before.
And if it does happen again, definitely know how to deal with it, right?
Now on to more pressing matters.
As for the dilemma of raising your negative standings without affecting your positive standings, start training Diplomacy to level 5 asap. While that's training, complete the Sisters Of Eve level 1 Epic Arc for Amarr. Hopefully your Social skill is already trained up which increases the standing gain for mission completion. That should give you a bit of breathing room, at least for a little while.
The next step is a big one, basically it's complete the level 4 Amarr and Caldari Epic Arcs. Unfortunately right now you don't have the required standings for access. The easiest way to access the starting agents is get their Corporation standing above +5.00 along with Faction above -2.00 standing.
However, to get that standing you're gonna have to work 'The Plan'.....
Anyway, that's about it. Once you have gained the Corporation standing to access the lv 4 Epic Arcs, all you have to do is maintain the Faction above -2.00 standing. Then whenever needed, just run the appropriate Epic Arc. The only other fast option available is to work the Data Center Agents for both Amarr and Gallente, more or less at the same time.
Hope this info helps and thanks for posting.
DMC |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:38:00 -
[163] - Quote
What is the standing increase for a pirate faction (gurista or angel) if the arc is started through an empire agent (caldari or gallente for gurista, minmatar or amarr for angels)? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5348
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:17:00 -
[164] - Quote
Pisov viet,
That's a good question.
The Faction standing gain for completing the level 3 Pirate Epic Arc's is the same no matter which starting agent is used. Those Empire Agents are basically 'Double Agents', working for both Empire and Pirate Factions. With no Social skill trained, the base amount of Faction Standing gained for completing the level 3 Pirate Epic Arc's is +30.00% increase.
The 3 starting agents for each Pirate Epic Arc are set up to enable the player easy access, nothing more. +3.00 standing is required for access. If using Corporation standing for access, the Faction must be above -2.00 standing.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs#Rewards
Hope that info helps. Good luck to you and thanks for posting.
DMC |
Larenon en Marland
Pro Synergy ARK.
2
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:58:00 -
[165] - Quote
And the adventure continues! :-)
Update 3
What's done so far?
Sisters of EVE Epic Arc (Caldari) x2 Caldari Career Agents (all 15) Caldari Circle Agents Caldari Data Center Agents Gû¦ Graduation Cert Missions (all 3) Gû¦ Copper Tags (all 9 handed in) Gû¦ Graduation Cert follow up Missions (The Celestial Imperative from Aviekko Ta and the Valuable Records from Kikko Roisen) Gû¦ Courier Missions Level 1 Caldari COSMOS Agents Level 1 Gallente COSMOS Agents
Skills: Connections, Diplomacy, Negotiations, Social Gû¦ all are at Level 3
Faction standings after all of the above (base standing followed by modified standing, amount of change since last update in parentheses)
Amarr Empire 0.43 (Gû¦ 0.59) 1.5784 (Gû¦ 0.5192) Caldari State 3.68 (Gû¦ 1.42) 4.4384 (Gû¦ 1.2496) Gallente Federation -0.82 (Gû+ -0.48) 0.4784 (Gû+ -0.4224) Minmatar Republic 0.49 (Gû+ -0.21) 1.6312 (Gû+ -0.1848) Ammatar Mandate 2.07 (Gû¦ 0.74) 3.0216 (Gû¦ 0.6512) Khanid Kingdom 2.31 (Gû¦ 0.72) 3.2328 (Gû¦ 0.6336) The Interbus 1.55 (Gû¦ 0.13) 2.564 (Gû¦ 0.1144)
Observations:
Circle Agents: more than one Circle Agent gave Caldari Faction Standing, not just one. The missions that gave faction standing increase were: Tobacco Run, From Development To Publishing, To Create Silicate Glass You Need..., For The Army as evidenced by this screenshot.
Data Center Agents: to complete all of the pirate tag missions of the Data Center Agents (Levels 1 through 4) for all of the 4 empire factions, we need 936 pcs of various pirate tags. At current Jita prices, these tags require an investment around the ballpark of 2 billion ISK. 200 pcs out of these 936 pcs of pirate tags are responsible for 84% of this money. These are: Guristas Brass and Bronze Tags; Blood Bronze and Gold Tags; Serpentis Brass and Gold Tags; Angel Brass Tags; Sansha Brass, Bronze and Gold Tags. These can be bought for about 1,6 billion ISK, while the other 736 pcs of tags needed can be bought for about 300 million ISK. As you can see, the biggest money dump is required mainly for tags that are collected by the lower level agents. For now I'm of the opinion that there is no way in bloody hell that I'll shell out 1,6 billion for the expensive tags. I'll only buy the somewhat cheaper ones. With a cost of 300 million I can live with, but 1,6 billion?? Seriously? No way. So in this regard I think I'll not be able to follow the Plan to the letter, but I hope it will not "unbalance" it that much, but we'll see.
The Data Center Graduation Certificates all send you to the same agent, Aviekko Ta (as described in the Plan). She gives you a 5 part mission chain. On the 4th mission of this chain you meet another event agent, Kikko Roisen, who gives you a 2 part mission chain. The last missions of both of these chains give faction increase. The mission Kikko Roisen gives you, specifically warns you in the description that you will lose face with the Caldari State if you complete its objective. However this in fact is not true, there are no standing losses incurred at all, you only get faction increase even though you need to destroy Caldari Navy ships in the mission (see this screenshot for proof Gû¦ the standing losses in this screenshot were due to the 2 storyline missions the Sisters of EVE gave me during the course of my recent run of the SOE Epic Arc).
Next up: the Amarr Career Agents and beyond. Until my next update of my adventures with the Plan: Fly safe! :-) |
Jaxem Rau
Spatial Anomalies
19
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:10:00 -
[166] - Quote
Larenon en Marland wrote:And the adventure continues! :-) The Data Center Graduation Certificates all send you to the same agent, Aviekko Ta (as described in the Plan). She gives you a 5 part mission chain. On the 4th mission of this chain you meet another event agent, Kikko Roisen, who gives you a 2 part mission chain. The last missions of both of these chains give faction increase. The mission Kikko Roisen gives you, specifically warns you in the description that you will lose face with the Caldari State if you complete its objective. However this in fact is not true, there are no standing losses incurred at all, you only get faction increase even though you need to destroy Caldari Navy ships in the mission (see this screenshot for proof Gû¦ the standing losses in this screenshot were due to the 2 storyline missions the Sisters of EVE gave me during the course of my recent run of the SOE Epic Arc).
This might be due to the current bug with no combat kill losses though. So be careful if they ever fix this "bug."
-J |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5371
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Posted - 2013.02.15 02:50:00 -
[167] - Quote
Larenon en Marland, that's a very impressive reply you posted. I'm glad 'The Plan' is working for you. As I've said before, it can be customized and worked to fit each players specific situation.
That being said, I'm going to address this part of it.
Larenon en Marland wrote:And the adventure continues! :-) Skills: Connections, Diplomacy, Negotiations, Social Gû¦ all are at Level 3 Faction standings after all of the above (base standing followed by modified standing, amount of change since last update in parentheses) Amarr Empire 0.43 (Gû¦ 0.59) 1.5784 (Gû¦ 0.5192) Caldari State 3.68 (Gû¦ 1.42) 4.4384 (Gû¦ 1.2496) Gallente Federation -0.82 (Gû+ -0.48) 0.4784 (Gû+ -0.4224) Minmatar Republic 0.49 (Gû+ -0.21) 1.6312 (Gû+ -0.1848) Ammatar Mandate 2.07 (Gû¦ 0.74) 3.0216 (Gû¦ 0.6512) Khanid Kingdom 2.31 (Gû¦ 0.72) 3.2328 (Gû¦ 0.6336) The Interbus 1.55 (Gû¦ 0.13) 2.564 (Gû¦ 0.1144) Observations: Circle Agents: more than one Circle Agent gave Caldari Faction Standing, not just one. The missions that gave faction standing increase were: Tobacco Run, From Development To Publishing, To Create Silicate Glass You Need..., For The Army as evidenced by this screenshot. Next up: the Amarr Career Agents and beyond. Until my next update of my adventures with the Plan: Fly safe! :-) The Social skill should definitely be trained up, especially since it increases the amount of standing gained for completing missions. Next would be the Connections skill which raises your current positive standing enabling easier access to higher level agents. After that I'd probably raise Negotiation to increase the ISK reward and then Diplomacy to raise the negative standings.
Since I don't know what your actual plan entails or what your goal is, I will go with the premise that you want to be positive with all Empire Factions. After looking at your standings, probably be a good idea to run some Gallente Event Agent missions due to Caldari standing being so high.
Now about having multiple Circle Agents in the chain give out Faction standing increase, gratz. Maybe they were changed recently. Either that or it's due to a bug. If it is a bug, then the error is definitely in your favor.
As for Data Center tags, yes they are indeed expensive.
However, to get the best price for them, ask friends in Corp chat if they have some available. Most players will have a few sitting in various stations and will sell them for a very reasonable price. Also have friends do a price check in various regions. Of course don't forget to check public contracts as well. Another thing to remember is to check all rat wrecks. Usually there will be a couple of tags to collect. May not be what you're actually looking for but they can always be sold to help pay for the tags you need.
Once again, thank you very much for posting and definitely keep us updated.
DMC
Jaxem Rau wrote: This might be due to the current bug with no combat kill losses though. So be careful if they ever fix this "bug."
-J
I agree, it's most definitely a bug that appeared with the new NPC AI expansion. No idea how long it'll be active so best keep a watchful eye open for any info pertaining to NPC's.
DMC |
Dag Tolar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.02.18 02:14:00 -
[168] - Quote
First, I'd like to say that this is a fantastic guide and one I hope to put into full effect. However...
My character has been a Very Naughty BoyGäó (i.e. sub -5.0) in the past and is not in a very good situation at the moment: sub 5mil in total assets and wealth with a single Reaper and misc equipment in other hangars around the galaxy. That single Reaper is in-station at a .7 system and the chances of getting away safely are very slim. I've been able to set up a clone in a near-by 0.3 system that I'll probably end up reanimating to in the near future.
What are my options here?
DT |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5463
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:18:00 -
[169] - Quote
Dag Tolar wrote:First, I'd like to say that this is a fantastic guide and one I hope to put into full effect. Dag Tolar,
Thanks for the compliment, always great to hear that.
Dag Tolar wrote: However...My character has been a Very Naughty BoyGäó (i.e. sub -5.0) in the past and is not in a very good situation at the moment: sub 5mil in total assets and wealth with a single Reaper and misc equipment in other hangars around the galaxy. That single Reaper is in-station at a .7 system and the chances of getting away safely are very slim. I've been able to set up a clone in a near-by 0.3 system that I'll probably end up reanimating to in the near future. Shame on you....................................
Well, I'll try to help out as best I can.
Your situation isn't as bad as it seems, Rookie ship's automatically spawn, free of charge, for capsuleers who dock their pod in any NPC station where they have no ships. Also if you haven't completed all of the Career Agents for your 'Friendly' Faction (15 agents available per Faction), you can get the various Tech 1 Frigates from them for free.
Dag Tolar wrote:What are my options here?
DT It would be very helpful if I knew exactly what your standings are and what Social skills you have trained.
Anyway, train up Diplomacy skill asap. Hopefully that will get you up above -5.00 Faction standing so you won't be attacked by Navy NPC's. If not, you can just travel to 'Friendly' space in your pod, dock in any NPC station and get another Rookie ship for free.
Now about the Faction standings:
Hopefully one of the 'Unfriendly' negative Empire Factions is above -5.00 standing. If so, start working the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' for that Faction. The derived standing increase you gain will eventually raise the lowest / worst Faction standing and when it get's above -5.00 standing, switch over and start working their Event Agents.
If all 'Unfriendly' Empire Factions are still -5.00 or lower, find a Corporation belonging to the 'Unfriendly' Empire Factions located in your 'Friendly' positive Factions space. Complete missions (16 + Storyline) for a Level 1 Agent (available regardless of standings) until one of the negative 'Unfriendly' Empire Factions is above -5.00 standing, then work 'The Plan'.
Sorry I couldn't be more specific. Hope this reply helps you and good luck working 'The Plan'.
DMC |
cinefilul
Friends of Honor C0VEN
1
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Posted - 2013.04.02 09:36:00 -
[170] - Quote
is there anything that I can do if I have missed the mission that increae the faction standing? I mean, I took the Cargo transportation from tha amarr agent Korini Nakan, but I didn't continued to the end of the chani. Of course, it was never offered to me again. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6307
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:56:00 -
[171] - Quote
cinefilul, thanks for posting.
Lucky thing you included the Agents name, made it easy to find out you're talking about the Circle Agents.
After looking at the Amarr Circle Agents I think you might be mistaken about not getting the Faction standing increase. Hopefully you started the Circle Agents with the initial starting agent - Ain Ikani.
Korini Nakan is the 3rd Circle Agent. The Faction Standing increase is gained from the 2nd Circle Agent - Ilia Abazen - for the mission 'The Carthum Executive'. I'm thinking you might have already completed it and just don't remember it.
Open character sheet - select 'Standings' - 'Liked by' tab - right click and 'Show Transactions' on Amarr Empire.
The mission name should be listed with date, time and amount of increase gained. If it's not listed, 'Show Transactions' on the Corp - Carthum Conglomerate. If it's not listed there, hopefully you haven't done the mission yet. However, I think the list only goes back for 1 year which might be another reason why the mission isn't listed.
Show info on the agent and check standings tab in the agent info box. If there's a positive standing listed, then you've already completed mission for that agent. If there's a negative standing, then you failed the mission. If neutral standing of 0.00 is listed, then you haven't worked for that agent.
The only other explanation is a bug.
As for your question, you can try these three steps :
1. Talk to that specific agent again. 2. Start the chain over again with the first agent. 3. File a petition in-game.
Good luck to you.
DMC |
cinefilul
Friends of Honor C0VEN
2
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Posted - 2013.04.03 16:10:00 -
[172] - Quote
[/quote]
Show info on the agent and check standings tab in the agent info box. If there's a positive standing listed, then you've already completed mission for that agent. If there's a negative standing, then you failed the mission. If neutral standing of 0.00 is listed, then you haven't worked for that agent.
The only other explanation is a bug.
As for your question, you can try these three steps :
1. Talk to that specific agent again. 2. Start the chain over again with the first agent. 3. File a petition in-game.
Good luck to you.
DMC[/quote]
Thank's DMS. I've seen that I have completed that mission, but i didn't go to the end of the chain. Thant's I wander if the faction standing was gain. I hav made investigations and it seems that I have completted that mission in 2011. :) Thank's again. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6330
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Posted - 2013.04.03 18:16:00 -
[173] - Quote
Gratz on getting an answer.
However, I'm a bit confused.
Is this the agent and mission you completed in 2011?
Quote:The Faction Standing increase is gained from the 2nd Circle Agent - Ilia Abazen - for the mission 'The Carthum Executive'. If so, then yeah, there's no need to continue with the Amarr Circle Agents since the Faction standing increase can only be gained once.
If you're referring to the 3rd agent in the circle - Korini Nakan - he doesn't matter. The Circle Agent - Ilia Abazen - is the one to check.
DMC |
cinefilul
Friends of Honor C0VEN
3
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:55:00 -
[174] - Quote
Hi there, I had checki it again and it appear in the Cartum Conglomerate, but it doesn't appear in the Ilia Abazen transactions. With Ilia Abazen, I have only the Robotics mission completted. Can I find somewhere If I have refuse it or not? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6404
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:39:00 -
[175] - Quote
Hi cinefilul,
I thought you said the mission - 'The Carthum Executive' - was completed in 2011. If it's listed in the Corporation transactions, then it should also be listed in the Faction transactions.
If not, then the first thing to do is go talk to the agent - Ilia Abazen - and see if that mission is offered to you.
After that the only other option I can think of is to file a petition in game. CCP can easily check the info and or have the agent offer the mission if you haven't already completed it.
The actual amount of Faction standing increase from that mission is rather small so you're not missing a crucial amount of standing gain if you're not allowed to work that mission for some unknown reason. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
DMC
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cinefilul
Friends of Honor C0VEN
4
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Posted - 2013.04.05 18:34:00 -
[176] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
DMC
You were. Thank's for advices and I wish you a safe journey. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6417
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Posted - 2013.04.07 04:52:00 -
[177] - Quote
cinefilul wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
DMC
You were. Thank's for advices and I wish you a safe journey. You're welcome and thank you for posting.
I hope you have much success working 'The Plan'.
DMC
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IgiK
Fatal and The rabbit The G0dfathers
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 12:58:00 -
[178] - Quote
Thx very very much for your work. It is really great what you have done here! Amazing!
I have one question though (i didn't find exact answer):
1. Career agents: Do they still give standings? I think I heard that it is not anymore the case. (also is there a way to check if I already done some of these missions in the past?)
2. If yes, how to access them? Should I go to the agent systems and do it for every race in every system listed (i see that you listed them on wiki page) or should I access them through the help window (in that case will I get only my faction career missions or it will be also available through help window for other factions)?
Thx in advance and sorry for noob questions.
Ahh one more question.
Epic arcs for major factions that can be done every 3 months. Do they generate negative standing toward opposite factions?
Thx agan.
Best |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6454
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Posted - 2013.04.09 17:06:00 -
[179] - Quote
IgiK,
You're welcome and thank you for the compliments. No need to be sorry for asking questions, Information is King and Conversation is it's Queen.
1. Career Agents give a Faction standing increase for completing their mission series. If no Faction standing gain is received, file a petition in-game - F12 key.
The best way is to check info on the agent. In the agent info box select the standings tab. If it shows a neutral standing from the agent towards you, then you haven't done any missions for that specific agent. You can then cross reference that agent by checking your own standings section in the character sheet and see if the agent is listed. You can also select 'Show Transactions' on the agent.
The easiest way to know if you've already worked for those Agents is talk to them. Of course this entails a lot of traveling and be prepared to complete their missions if offered.
NOTE: Talking or accessing agents use to be the norm but changes / bugs within the past couple of years has now made it risky to just talk to Event Agents. There's a possibility of being locked out from access due to declining the offer as well as forgetting to accept the offer within a week.
The most definite way to know is from CCP via in-game petition. Use this option as a last resort after first checking standings and then talking to agent, especially if you think you've never accessed that agent.
2. The 'Show Career Agents' option in the F12 Help window will list Career Agents that are located near your current location. That might not be beneficial to your specific situation as it doesn't list all of the Career Agents available to you. The Evelopedia page - Career Agents - is good to use since it lists all Career Agents and their locations.
I'm not sure but the in-game 'Agent Finder' could be another option to view all Career Agents that are available to you.
Epic Arcs - The only negative standings incurred is from aggression for ship kills. There's only a few negative hits and the amount is very small when compared to the positive standing gained for completing them. Being able to complete them every 3 months makes them a very worthwhile option to pursue.
I hope this answers your questions and thank you for posting.
DMC
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Royaldo
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
53
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:36:00 -
[180] - Quote
I have a friend who is shot on sight by gallente and minmatar. He is -6 something with these factions. Is it possible for him to fix it?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6710
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:48:00 -
[181] - Quote
Royaldo,
Yes, If your friend follows 'The Plan', he can easily fix the Gallente and Minmatar negative Faction standings. Since he's at -6.00 standing, he should first stop killing Gallente / Minmatar NPC's as well as train the skill - Diplomacy - to level 5 asap.
If that skill is already trained up to level 5, then he needs to run some regular level 1 missions + storylines for Gallente or Minmatar agents located in Amarr, Ammatar or Caldari space. When he get's either Gallente or Minmatar Factions up above -5.00 standing, he can then start working the Gallente or Minmatar Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'.
To increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions, train up the skill - Social - to level 5 asap.
Good luck to your friend and thanks for posting.
DMC
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
974
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:10:00 -
[182] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Royaldo, Yes, If your friend follows 'The Plan', he can easily fix the Gallente and Minmatar negative Faction standings. Since he's at -6.00 standing, he should first stop killing Gallente / Minmatar NPC's as well as train the skill - Diplomacy - to level 5 asap. If that skill is already trained up to level 5, then he needs to run some regular level 1 missions + storylines for Gallente or Minmatar agents located in Amarr, Ammatar or Caldari space. When he get's either Gallente or Minmatar Factions up above -5.00 standing, he can then start working the Gallente or Minmatar Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'. To increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions, train up the skill - Social - to level 5 asap. Good luck to your friend and thanks for posting. DMC
It also happens that a perfect -10 turns into a -6 after lvl5 diplomacy. If that's the case, not so easy as training a skill to stop getting shot at, and it would be better to grind up to lvl3/4 SOE rather than grinding Gallante/Minmatar lvl1s in Amar/Caldari space forever. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6963
|
Posted - 2013.04.18 23:28:00 -
[183] - Quote
sabre906 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Royaldo, Yes, If your friend follows 'The Plan', he can easily fix the Gallente and Minmatar negative Faction standings. Since he's at -6.00 standing, he should first stop killing Gallente / Minmatar NPC's as well as train the skill - Diplomacy - to level 5 asap. If that skill is already trained up to level 5, then he needs to run some regular level 1 missions + storylines for Gallente or Minmatar agents located in Amarr, Ammatar or Caldari space. When he get's either Gallente or Minmatar Factions up above -5.00 standing, he can then start working the Gallente or Minmatar Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'. To increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions, train up the skill - Social - to level 5 asap. Good luck to your friend and thanks for posting. DMC It also happens that a perfect -10 turns into a -6 after lvl5 diplomacy. If that's the case, not so easy as training a skill to stop getting shot at, and it would be better to grind up to lvl3/4 SOE rather than grinding Gallante/Minmatar lvl1s in Amar/Caldari space forever.
That's very true, Diplomacy lv 5 will turn -10 into -6. I thought about that as well but he posted, and I quote - "He is -6 something with these factions."
I figured that means he hasn't trained Diplomacy lv 5 yet. Hopefully he still has a couple of levels left to train.
As for grinding missions with SoE verses Minmatar or Gallente, I'm a firm believer that direct standing gains are better than derived standing gains due to getting a much larger amount of increase with the direct standing gain. Yes SoE will give derived standing increase to both Gallente and Minmatar but I think it's slower than going direct.
Besides that, if he trains Diplomacy and Social lv 5, it shouldn't take very long at all to get above -5.00 which is when he can enter Gallente / Minmatar space safely and start working the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'.
I guess it all depends on the Eye Of The Beholder.
However, I do agree that SoE is definitely a good choice to help raise Gallente & Minmatar standings............
..............................after all Event Agents are completed of course.
DMC |
Carek Talen
Another Corp.
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:14:00 -
[184] - Quote
Sorry if I'm reinventing the wheel but... Plan B: buy your faction standing. The last mission of the sisters arc, Dal Segno al Fine, can be shared.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6964
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:09:00 -
[185] - Quote
Carek Talen wrote:Sorry if I'm reinventing the wheel but... Plan B: buy your faction standing. The last mission of the sisters arc, Dal Segno al Fine, can be shared.
Sorry to disappoint you but that was a bug which has been corrected by CCP recently. The way Faction standing increase was designed and implemented for the majority of time in this game = Faction Standing increase can not be shared.
As for buying Faction standing increase, ie, have someone else do the missions - that will still require you to log into the game, fleet up, talk to agent, warp fleet to mission site or make bookmark and give it to fleet, etc. Then when mission is completed, you will have to talk to the agent again, complete mission, then repeat the whole process again....and again.....and again, etc.
Hell, might as well just do the mission yourself and make some ISK / security status increase, unless of course you're just a market alt or an Industrial character that has no combat skills.
Anyway, thanks for posting.
DMC
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Carek Talen
Another Corp.
5
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:41:00 -
[186] - Quote
Perhaps is a bug, but it is still alive.I did it today. Running the arc, two toons in parallel, one toon sharing standings. The standing transactions window shows an increase of 8.4% and four minutes later 4.025% for the shared mission.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1024
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:08:00 -
[187] - Quote
Carek Talen wrote:Perhaps is a bug, but it is still alive.I did it today. Running the arc, two toons in parallel, one toon sharing standings. The standing transactions window shows an increase of 8.4% and four minutes later 4.025% for the shared mission.
It was fixed and unfixed many times. CCP keeps removing epic arc faction standing sharing, but it seems to revert after random patches. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
357
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:14:00 -
[188] - Quote
I shared an Amarr Epic Arc once and the standing split, Funny thing is; every time I have done it since (4 times I think) and haven't split the rewards, I have to send a petition every time to get any standings at all. Go Figure? Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..) |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1024
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Posted - 2013.04.29 00:22:00 -
[189] - Quote
Goldiiee wrote:I shared an Amarr Epic Arc once and the standing split, Funny thing is; every time I have done it since (4 times I think) and haven't split the rewards, I have to send a petition every time to get any standings at all. Go Figure?
They gave in to your petition? I'll have to do that next time. CCP has stated that it's not supposed to split and that it's a bug. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
357
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Posted - 2013.04.29 02:57:00 -
[190] - Quote
sabre906 wrote:Goldiiee wrote:I shared an Amarr Epic Arc once and the standing split, Funny thing is; every time I have done it since (4 times I think) and haven't split the rewards, I have to send a petition every time to get any standings at all. Go Figure? They gave in to your petition? I'll have to do that next time. CCP has stated that it's not supposed to split and that it's a bug. No, I should be more specific, the second time I tried to split the reward I got no faction standing boost. When I petitioned it I was informed that Faction Standing cold not be shared, and the GM applied all the standing to one Toon. Then they added +36% to Amarr to that Toon, Don't ask I guess GM calculatoins for standings are different than simple maths. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..) |
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1026
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:20:00 -
[191] - Quote
Goldiiee wrote:sabre906 wrote:Goldiiee wrote:I shared an Amarr Epic Arc once and the standing split, Funny thing is; every time I have done it since (4 times I think) and haven't split the rewards, I have to send a petition every time to get any standings at all. Go Figure? They gave in to your petition? I'll have to do that next time. CCP has stated that it's not supposed to split and that it's a bug. No, I should be more specific, the second time I tried to split the reward I got no faction standing boost. When I petitioned it I was informed that Faction Standing cold not be shared, and the GM applied all the standing to one Toon. Then they added +36% to Amarr to that Toon, Don't ask I guess GM calculatoins for standings are different than simple maths.
Ugg... Yeah, I gotta try that next time. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6975
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:51:00 -
[192] - Quote
Well, looks like a report should be filed on that bug..............................................................................again.
Thanks for bringing up that issue.
DMC
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8024
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:11:00 -
[193] - Quote
Just moving this thread to the front in case someone needs it.
I'm currently working on getting my Gallente and Minmatar Faction standing back up above +7 which will bring them close to equal with Amarr and Caldari. Then I'll complete the last few Empire Cosmos Agents.
I also needed to bump this thread to keep it from getting locked.
DMC
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Rain6636
Team Evil
604
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Posted - 2013.06.25 00:43:00 -
[194] - Quote
I have a character with bad standings with Gallente Federation. However, I also have characters with only neutral or positive agent standings, by way of sharing mission completions.
I read your guide on the wiki, and have a question about unfriendly empire agents located in friendly space.
Can I boost a character's agent standings through sharing mission completions, and eventually gain access to that agent directly... despite the boosted character having terrible faction standings?
and then can the character improve its faction standings by working for the level 4 agent directly.
Ty Demichael Crimson. Free Thanatos Raffle-Lottery? ...Thing? |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
777
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:08:00 -
[195] - Quote
Yes, but:
You can share mission rewards until your character has the requisite standings to run L4s with that corp (5.0 modified), however you need at least -2.0 modfied with a faction to run any agent that's better than L1. So if your faction standings are below -2.0 you will need to ***** L1s and the resulting storylines until you get there. And/or do L1 datacenter and COSMOS missions as well as career agents; stuff you read about in the guide. |
Rain6636
Team Evil
605
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:15:00 -
[196] - Quote
ty; it's just so much to take in...
I must've missed the specifics while looking for my situation. :-/ gave it a good effort though (I swear)
tyty o7 Free Thanatos Raffle-Lottery? ...Thing? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8595
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 06:35:00 -
[197] - Quote
Ifly Uwalk is correct. (Thanks)
Until the Gallente Faction is above -2.00 standing, you'll only be able to access level 1 Gallente Agents.
Training the Diplomacy skill will help a lot, especially if you're at -10.00 standing. Level 5 Diplomacy will turn -10.00 standing into -6.00 standing. Once you get the Gallente Faction above -5.00 standing, you can safely enter Gallente space and work the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'.
The Social skill will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions. Good luck to you.
DMC |
Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:55:00 -
[198] - Quote
o7 DMC :-)
so with Diplomacy V, the lowest possible faction standing is -6? adjusted
I'm just thinking that since I've done the exact thing your wiki says not to, maybe I should let it go for now and deal with it in one shot. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8600
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Posted - 2013.06.25 07:15:00 -
[199] - Quote
Feanira Darr,
I'm not sure what your particular situation is at the moment, a little more info would help a lot.
The reason I said -6.00 modified standing with lv 5 Diplomacy on a -10.00 base standing is due to looking at my own stats of the Pirate NPC Factions who's ships I constantly destroy.
DMC
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Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.25 07:25:00 -
[200] - Quote
oh. I'm just not ready to stop with the faction pew pew missions just yet. and lately my mind has turned to what I would need to do if I ever decide to leave Caldari space. However... I don't have a reason, and if the floor is -6 then I'd rather continue my employment as a mercenary for my Caldari State.
all for the good of many.
...and the drops. :-) o7 |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8600
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Posted - 2013.06.25 07:48:00 -
[201] - Quote
Ahhh, OK.
Well, when you do decide to fix your standings just remember that it won't take very long at all. Basically just train up the appropriate Social skills and work 'The Plan'..
Thanks for posting.
DMC |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
781
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Posted - 2013.06.25 13:00:00 -
[202] - Quote
Feanira Darr wrote:all for the good of many. Tibus Heth must die. Just sayin'. |
Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:18:00 -
[203] - Quote
must he? Tibus Heth is a fine Caldari. I find it amusing that Caldari fail to recognize his achievement, especially when they were the ones who put the wolf in a business suit. may he be feared along with the rest of us. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8655
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:43:00 -
[204] - Quote
OK, that's great info.
However, I'm sure Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'.
DMC |
Feanira Darr
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:21:00 -
[205] - Quote
Roger that,
sorry DMC. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8661
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:26:00 -
[206] - Quote
No need to be sorry and thanks for posting.
DMC |
Ethan Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
0
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Posted - 2013.07.25 02:19:00 -
[207] - Quote
I apologize if this has been asked previously, but I only see mention of pirate tags in regards to data center agents. I thought I had read sometime back, when i did not care about my -5.49 Amarr standings (with diplomacy 5), that you could buy some sort of tags and turn them in to repair faction standings. I am flush with ISK, but short on time. Is there anyway I can just buy my way to -4.99 or better with Amarr? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9393
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Posted - 2013.07.25 07:52:00 -
[208] - Quote
Ethan Bejorn,
That's a very good question. The Data Center Agents are the only one's who accept Pirate Tags for Faction standing increase.
It won't take very long to fix your Amarr standing
If Caldari standing is higher than -5.00 standing, you can enter Caldari space and work itheir Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' to gain derived standings towards Amarr.
When Amarr Faction get's up above -5.00 standing, you can then enter Amarr space and work their Event Agents.
Hope this was helpful,
DMC |
Sis Zodiac
Chronosphere Inc. The Tsunami Collective
0
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:56:00 -
[209] - Quote
Friendly bump, just reached 5.0 caldari state in 3 days by following the plan |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9395
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Posted - 2013.07.25 18:06:00 -
[210] - Quote
Sis Zodiac,
That is excellent and many gratz to you. Thank you very much for the bump.
Just wondering what was your standing before you started working 'The Plan'?
DMC |
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Sis Zodiac
Chronosphere Inc. The Tsunami Collective
1
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:18:00 -
[211] - Quote
1.55->5.1 my journey:) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9395
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:42:00 -
[212] - Quote
Very nice and thanks for the reply.
Good luck to you and may you have continued success.
DMC |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:01:00 -
[213] - Quote
With how many times this is referenced, why is it not a sticky? |
Ethan Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
1
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:52:00 -
[214] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ethan Bejorn,
That's a very good question. The Data Center Agents are the only one's who accept Pirate Tags for Faction standing increase.
It won't take very long to fix your Amarr standing. With Social and Connections skills trained up, at most just a couple of storyline missions will do the trick.
Now if Caldari Faction is higher than -5.00 standing, you can enter Caldari space and work their Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' to gain derived standings towards Amarr. IE, the Caldari Data Center Agents.
When Amarr Faction get's up above -5.00 standing, you can then enter Amarr space and work their Event Agents. IE, the Amarr Data Center Agents.
Hope this was helpful and good luck to you. My advice is to work the Event Agents whenever needed to keep your standings up.
Thanks. I am in Inari running level 1 courier missions for Joint Harvesting and I am at -5.20 standing with Amarr with all social skills at 4 so hopefully this won't take much longer. I just need -4.99. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9398
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:36:00 -
[215] - Quote
I made a mistake, Connections will only affect your current positive standings which doesn't apply in this specific situation. Diplomacy skill affects your current negative standings and does apply. Training Diplomacy level 5 will more than likely give you access to Amarr space. Also just wanted to mention the Social skill increases the amount of standing gained for completing missions.
However, right now if your Caldari standing is above -5.00 then I suggest going to Caldari space and complete a few of the Caldari Data Center missions.
That's probably a lot Faster than grinding 16 level 1 missions to get 1 storyline for Faction standing increase.
Anyway, good luck to you. Hopefully this info helps.
DMC |
Ethan Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
3
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:40:00 -
[216] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:If your Caldari standing is above -5.00 then I suggest going to Caldari space and complete a few of the Caldari Data Center missions. Also training Diplomacy level 5 will more than likely give you access to Amarr space.
That's probably a lot Faster than grinding 16 level 1 missions to get 1 storyline for Faction standing increase.
Anyway, good luck to you. Hopefully this info helps.
DMC
I have diplomacy 5, meant most at 4. 135M SP. =D I think I may have done those data center missions when I was very young in the game, but I will check them out. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9399
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:52:00 -
[217] - Quote
Ethan Bejorn wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:If your Caldari standing is above -5.00 then I suggest going to Caldari space and complete a few of the Caldari Data Center missions. Also training Diplomacy level 5 will more than likely give you access to Amarr space.
That's probably a lot Faster than grinding 16 level 1 missions to get 1 storyline for Faction standing increase.
Anyway, good luck to you. Hopefully this info helps.
DMC I have diplomacy 5, meant most at 4. 135M SP. =D I think I may have done those data center missions when I was very young in the game, but I will check them out. Easy way to know if you've done those agents, check info on the agent and select the standings tab. It will show the agents standing towards you and if it's 0.00 then it's neutral and available. Any other number, either positive or negative, means you've interacted with the agent in the past and is not available.
Another way to check is in your character sheet, standings menu, liked by tab. Scroll down and search through the agents. If the agent is listed there, then you've interacted with that agent.
That takes some time, it's much easier to just pull up the agent info box and check the standings tab.
DMC |
Ethan Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
3
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:55:00 -
[218] - Quote
Wow, thanks. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9418
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:59:00 -
[219] - Quote
Donbe Scurred wrote:With how many times this is referenced, why is it not a sticky? Thanks for posting, wish I could answer that question. Only CCP knows for sure.
But hey, 'The Plan' is listed in the Evelopedia and this thread is available for questions and comments.
Now that I think about it, I guess a little bit of glue wouldn't hurt.
DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9419
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Posted - 2013.07.26 01:07:00 -
[220] - Quote
Ethan Bejorn wrote:Wow, thanks.
I have not done them. Will be done with this in no time. Thanks, you are awesome. ISK sent in game from main.
Cool. Looks like you've got a plan of action now, at least a lot more easier one than before.
Good luck to you and thank you very much for the donation. It's appreciated very much.
DMC |
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Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.07.26 01:08:00 -
[221] - Quote
If the comical Miner bumping thread deserves one, this definitely does. Respect to you DMC, you are one of the most helpful, it is much appreciated. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9419
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Posted - 2013.07.26 01:19:00 -
[222] - Quote
Well, I don't think I've seen the Miner Bumping Thread, sounds like something inspired by griefers.
Anyway, thank you very much for the compliment and may your career path be enjoyable and successful ............... unless you're busy bumping miners.
DMC |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.07.26 01:27:00 -
[223] - Quote
Here is the thread, GM Response on Bumping It is stickied in C&P, that terrible, terrible place.
I don't participate, but it is definitely player driven content at its finest. No matter how you feel about it there is no denying that. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9421
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Posted - 2013.07.26 04:13:00 -
[224] - Quote
Yeah, that's true on both accounts.
Now about player driven content, you could say I'm doing the same thing with 'The Plan'.
I am a player who's generating content for other players, right?
All kidding aside, thanks for posting that info.
DMC |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:23:00 -
[225] - Quote
Interesting point. I see it. While James is the wolf in sheeps clothing, you are the shepard leading the sheep to greener pastures. Or something, like that. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9421
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:37:00 -
[226] - Quote
Thanks, that's a nice analogy. Not sure how close it is to reality but I'll take it.
DMC |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.07.26 07:17:00 -
[227] - Quote
It was pretty bad, made at sense at the time, now not so much, but we were pouring them pretty heavy tonight at dinner. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9421
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Posted - 2013.07.26 08:31:00 -
[228] - Quote
Well, it's the thought that counts.
Thanks again, fly smart and stay safe.
DMC |
Maadai Ansa
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:34:00 -
[229] - Quote
Just wanted to say thank you for this plan, it's really amazing and works like a charm. I was able to get my standings up in no time, lots of useful, not so obvious things that you can do in order to quickly raise your faction standings.
Great work!
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10865
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Posted - 2013.09.01 17:22:00 -
[230] - Quote
Maadai Ansa,
That's excellent and thanks for posting.
It's always good to hear about 'The Plan' helping players repair their Faction standings quickly and easily. I hope you have continued good luck and much success in the future.
DMC |
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Zaxix
Long Jump.
228
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Posted - 2013.09.02 00:35:00 -
[231] - Quote
Just a little info you may or may not find useful. There are always threads asking about whether its possible to have high standings to all factions. I recently did a little math (using formulas found on the wiki) and found that, if you have Connections 5 and Social 5 and you chose the highest faction standing option for each epic arc (12.5% with max skills), you would get an effective standing of 7+ to all 4 factions in 2 years (8 x epic arc) and a base standing of 7+ in 2.5 years (10 x epic arc). This assumes you do nothing else to mess with faction standings, whether positive or negative.
Effective Standings after each run: 1st: 3 2nd: 3.872 3rd: 4.64 4th: 5.312 (L4 agent access) 5th: 5.896 6th: 6.408 7th: 6.856 8th: 7.248
Base Standings after each run (for POS Anchorage): 1st: 1.25 2nd: 2.34 3rd: 3.3 4th: 4.14 5th: 4.87 6th: 5.51 (POS in .5) 7th: 6.07 (POS in .5, .6) 8th: 6.56 (POS in .5, .6) 9th: 6.99 (POS in .5, .6) 10th: 7.37 (POS in .5, .6, .7) Bokononist
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10879
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:50:00 -
[232] - Quote
Zaxix,
Thanks for posting that info.
Yes, the Epic Arcs will indeed raise Faction standings quite high over time which is why I included them in 'The Plan'.
However, some of the Epic Arc missions do incur negative Faction standing hits for aggression and ship kill which you forgot to include in your calculations. Albeit they're small negative standing hits but they do add up over time.
Disregarding those small negative standing hits, it seems your calculations are based on a starting point of neutral standings towards all Factions. This is great for some characters but most characters have negative standings with various Empire Factions..
Also I'd like to point out that the Epic Arcs only give positive standing increase to the 4 main Empire Factions. There are actually 8 different Factions that control high security solar systems.
The main reason for working 'The Plan' is to repair negative Faction standings quickly and easily. Most players are looking to access high level agents or just want the ability to travel freely throughout high security systems without being attacked by Faction Navy NPC's. The added bonus from working 'The Plan' is that over time it will enable players to have high positive standings with all Empire Factions.
As such 'The Plan' is still the fastest and easiest way to repair negative Faction standings as well as boost positive Faction standings.
Thanks again for posting and please keep me informed of any alternate ways to gain high Faction standings. I'm always open to changing or adding more options to 'The Plan' whenever possible.
DMC |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
229
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Posted - 2013.09.03 00:51:00 -
[233] - Quote
Yes, the calculations assume a total neutral start. In order to actually do the arcs, you'd need to get the corporation standing from missions (denying all faction missions). The purpose of providing them was simply to show that one could get high standings with all 4 major factions with a little patience. While your plan is focused on repair, everything in it is pretty good info for someone looking to plan ahead as well .
While there are some standings hits for particular ships in particular missions, it's simple enough to run the missions with a buddy/alt to take the hits for you (like your plan recommends). What I did not include are the standings from the SOE Epic Arc, which is 8.75% at max standings. If you did each faction twice (1 per year over the 2 years of my calculations, for a total of 2 per faction), you'd still exceed any standings hits in the missions (I believe the highest is a 3% standings hit in one or two missions in several of the arcs). So there are two options for standings hits mitigation.
True, it doesn't give POS standings in Khanid or Ammatar. I just noticed that there are some Concord systems that are .7 or below. If someone still had Concord standing or a way of getting standing, I guess they could anchor there.
Khanid Ammatar Concord Minmatar Gallente Caldari Amarr
Who's the 8th? I thought I'd done all my faction homework! Bokononist
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10883
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Posted - 2013.09.03 02:10:00 -
[234] - Quote
Zaxix,
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I totally agree that the Epic Arcs are an excellent source to gain positive Faction standing and as I said before is exactly the reason they are included in 'The Plan'.. Also I always encourage and advise players to use the level 1 Sister's Of Eve Epic Arc to help raise and or balance lop-sided Faction standings.
Now I'm not arguing or downing your alternate plan or the calculations you've done (I hate doing math). I'm sure it'll work and can be very useful, especially for a Trade / Industrial alt character. Just gonna be a long road consisting of declining all Empire encounter missions along with accepting NO storyline missions whatsoever.
And yes, after 2 1/2 years the character should be able to anchor a POS (1 man corp) in systems belonging to 4 of the 8 high sec Factions (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar).
By the way, the 8th Faction controlling high sec systems : The Interbus
Now if that same character works 'The Plan' within the same time period of 2 1/2 years, that character should be able to anchor a POS (1 man corp) in systems belonging to 6 of the 8 high sec Factions (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, Khanid, Ammatar).
Currently there's no Starbase Charter available from Concord or The Interbus to allow POS anchoring, but knowing CCP that is subject to change at any time.
Anyway, thank you again for posting that information and I wish you lot's of luck.
DMC
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Zillu Ban
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2013.09.07 04:24:00 -
[235] - Quote
Hey!
I'd just like to thank DeMichael Crimson for the chat in RUN corp chat, and also for the info provided in the Faction Standing Repair Plan. I managed to not get shot at in Amarr space for once! The data center agents are a godsend.
Thank you!
Zillu/SV |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10991
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Posted - 2013.09.07 05:13:00 -
[236] - Quote
Zillu Ban,
I must say I like talking with corp members and helping out whenever I can. It's easy to get caught up in their excitement and youthful enthusiasm for this game.
But more importantly I especially like hearing how 'The Plan' is helping or has helped the members of this community. Hope you continue to have good luck and much success.
Thanks for posting.
DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16259
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:32:00 -
[237] - Quote
Just putting this up due to threads being posted about gaining and or repairing Faction standings.
DMC |
Dino Ginger
Lai Dai Solutions Spaceship Samurai
0
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:12:00 -
[238] - Quote
Hello DMC
I have some questions!
Today I have this standings:
Servant Sisters of EVE7.66 Mordu's Legion Command5.29 Caldari State4.72 Khanid Kingdom4.46 Ammatar Mandate3.02 Gallente Federation-0.48 Amarr Empire-1.34 Minmatar Republic-0,92
I Just did the SOE newbie arc and increased the minmatar standing.
I can Keep doing SOE distribution level 2 missions, 16+ storyline, till I get the gallente and minmatar increased.
But then, what is the next step?
I really want to avoid the SAW problem. Any suggestions?
MY goal is to have a +5 or +7 with the main amarr, caldari, gallente and minmatar factions, OK, will take some years, but is a goal! :)
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19135
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Posted - 2013.12.31 08:14:00 -
[239] - Quote
Dino Ginger,
Thanks for posting.
Since your standings aren't too bad, I'd just work the various Agents listed in 'The Plan'. Can easily gain +5 Faction standing with the 4 main factions doing that.
Of course the very first thing to do is train up the various Social skills.
DMC |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
267
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:32:00 -
[240] - Quote
One thing to note on "The Plan", if you are going to do the COSMOS missions to increase standings it would be very worthwhile to try and do them all at the same time and flip-flop back and forth between them. This should give you the best return on increasing faction standings. |
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1029
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:04:00 -
[241] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:One thing to note on "The Plan", if you are going to do the COSMOS missions to increase standings it would be very worthwhile to try and do them all at the same time and flip-flop back and forth between them. This should give you the best return on increasing faction standings.
I don't disagree, but they have different standing requirements. When you do cosmos missions to get standing you often need to travel a lot more, then if you could just pick them in perfect order. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
THORAMAN
ASTAROTH ENTERPRISES
1
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Posted - 2013.12.31 22:03:00 -
[242] - Quote
A question about the TAGs AGENTs
Are these a ONE TIME thing?
Or Can i give tags to them, every 3 months too? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19177
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Posted - 2013.12.31 22:11:00 -
[243] - Quote
Thanks for posting.
Usually most of the Cosmos Agents can be worked in order starting with level 1 Agents and working up to the higher level agents.
While working a specific level, IE, level 3 Agents, it's advised to keep watch on the Faction standings and bounce over to the other Factions when needed in order to maintain access. That's covered in the section called 'The See-Saw'.
However, the Amarr Cosmos Agents can't really be done like that due to agents of different levels being chained together. In other words, a level 1 agent may give you an item with instructions to see a level 3 agent who then gives an item with instructions to see a level 2 agent, etc.
As such, it's best to follow the Amarr Cosmos guide listed in 'The Plan' and basically complete all the chained agents from level 1 to level 3. Players can then stop and work other Factions if needed, then later go back and complete the Amarr level 4 agents.
That's how I did them. I used the Amarr Data Center Agents along with the Amarr Level 4 Epic Arc to regain and boost Faction standing in order to access the Amarr level 4 Cosmos Agents.
DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19177
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Posted - 2013.12.31 22:16:00 -
[244] - Quote
THORAMAN wrote:A question about the TAGs AGENTs
Are these a ONE TIME thing?
Or Can i give tags to them, every 3 months too? THORAMAN,
Thanks for asking but sadly the answer is no, you can't turn in tags to them every 3 months. Almost all of the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' can only be completed once in the life of the character.
The only exception to that rule are the Epic Arcs which can be completed every 3 months.
DMC |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
269
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:05:00 -
[245] - Quote
I always advise that anyone thinking of doing the COSMO missions to do some research, get info on all the NPC corps involved, and grind standings with those corps first. This way you won't end up having to grind standings during your COSMOS missions, to get access to an agent. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19230
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:50:00 -
[246] - Quote
Estella Osoka,
Thanks for posting. That's pretty good sound advice, especially about doing research beforehand. The part about gaining Corporation standing for access definitely pertains to all of the other Event Agents.
However, Cosmos Agents are an exception.
Unfortunately Cosmos Agents only accept Faction standing (modified by Social skills) for access. They also require a higher amount of Faction standing compared to all of the other Event Agents.
DMC |
THORAMAN
ASTAROTH ENTERPRISES
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 04:39:00 -
[247] - Quote
Hello Everyone
I-¦m Trying to understand how the derivate calc of standings work
lets see a example
I Tooked a Caldari Mission (career agent)
It give 0,5682 of standing increase to CALDARI
and 0,1968 to Amarr
When I saw some tables, it show that Caldari missions, can improve amarr to faction 7.0 max, and the derivate gain is 5.00 (?)
Anyone can elaborate, why is 0,1968?
My Social Skill is V
Thanks!
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19398
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:29:00 -
[248] - Quote
THORAMAN,
That's a very good question which requires two answers.
The first answer deals with the percentage of standing gained from completing missions.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Standings_mechanics
Using your example, you gained 0.5682% with Caldari and 0.1968% with Amarr. The primary standing gain was Caldari with Derived standing gain to Amarr. The amount of standing gained from those percentages is based on the actual amount you have left from your current standing to +10.00 standing. As your standings get closer to +10.00, the actual amount of standing gained get's smaller even though the percentage amount stays the same.
The second answer deals with the derived standings graph. Keep in mind the top graph 'In-Game Inter-Faction Relationships' is read from the top down and the bottom graph 'Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier' is read from left to right.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130310042624/http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standings#Standing_Relationships
Caldari has +5.00 standing towards Amarr who has +7.00 standing towards Caldari.
If you're doing missions for Caldari, it will continue gaining standings with Caldari up to +10.00 Faction standing. However, the Derived standing gains from Caldari to Amarr will only go up to +5.00 standing. After that no more Derived standing gain for Amarr from Caldari.
Now if you're doing missions for Amarr, it will continue gaining standings with Amarr up to +10.00 Faction standing. However, the derived standing gains from Amarr to Caldari will only go up to +7.00 Faction standing. After that no more Derived standing gains for Caldari from Amarr.
It take's a bit of time to get your head warped around how it works. CCP definitely doesn't like making things easy. Anyway, I hope this helps.
DMC
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Shamash Nergal
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:39:00 -
[249] - Quote
Sorry if this was asked before but a quick look through the posts I didnt see anyone discussing this.
If my goal is to get high unmodified caldari, and then amarr standings without getting locked out of any empire what would your approach be?
Ive been following the plan so far and from watching the rate of decrease compared to the rate of increase of others Im thinking I can get +8 at least with caldari, not sure where amarr will be before I get blocked out of an empire... or at least till I hit -5 with any empire.
So my idea was to run the plan from career, circle, data, then cosmos watching my standings as I go... if one starts to get dangerous I would run the sisters arc to correct.... if 2 get dangerous Im kinda screwed for 3 months....
then if my standings arent high enough after I get done with cosmos I figured Id run epic arcs for cald and amarr
Ive never ran cosmos or epic arcs so needless to say Im winging alot of this.
needless to say once I reach the desired levels, say 7+ amarr and as high as cald as I can I will stop running missions and if I need any corp standings Ill do it by sharing standings gain with a different character...I know Im walking a tightrope trying to do what I want
Do you think my tactic of achieving high amarr and cald without getting killed in gall and minny... any chance it would work? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19614
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Posted - 2014.01.14 04:06:00 -
[250] - Quote
Shamash Nergal,
Thanks for posting. I think what you're asking is will 'The Plan' get you +8.00 Faction standing with Amarr and Caldari without making Gallente and Minmatar drop to -5.00 or lower standing.
Short answer, I'm not sure. The Faction Standing Repair Plan is basically just a plan which can be customized and worked to fit each players specific situation. You don't have to follow it to the letter or constantly work it if it's not needed.
Having said that, if you train up the Social skills and run all of the Amarr and Caldari Event Agents listed in 'The Plan', I see no problem getting close to or above +8.00 standing.
Of course you'll have to watch your standings with the other Factions and running the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc can definitely help keep them above -5.00 standing. The main thing to remember is don't destroy Faction ships / structures since that will definitely drop those Factions below -5.00 standing.
Anyway, hope that helps and good luck to you.
DMC
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Shamash Nergal
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.01.14 05:11:00 -
[251] - Quote
Ty!
One thing though, wont some cosmos require me to kill gall ships? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19620
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Posted - 2014.01.14 07:51:00 -
[252] - Quote
Shamash Nergal wrote:Ty!
One thing though, wont some cosmos require me to kill gall ships? Good question.
There's a few missions but the majority of the encounter missions are against Pirate / Merc NPC's. Also most of the mission locations are in the static Cosmos Complexes. A few of the missions are in a Deadspace area which will spawn when the offer is accepted.
The trick to running Cosmos is first research the agents mission series. Usually the mission objective is to acquire a specific item. Doesn't matter how. Most items can be bought from Public Contracts and or Regional Markets. Cosmos missions are mainly seek and secure.
When you talk to an agent, don't accept the mission offer, just let it stay offered in your journal. The offer will stay for 1 week which gives you time to seek out and acquire the mission objective. After that if more time is needed you can accept it which gives you another week. That's a total of 2 weeks to actually complete the mission. The 2nd, 3rd, etc parts of the mission series will be offered automatically in the journal. Just do the same thing with them. Let the offer stay in the journal and go collect up the required item. After you get the item, accept the mission offer and collect both mission pay and bonus reward.
The guide links in 'The Plan' makes researching the agents fairly easy. Since you only need to keep Gallente and Minmatar above -5.00 standing, destroying a few of there ships shouldn't be a problem and if needed, you can always work some of their Event Agents.
DMC |
Vira'li
Independant Praetorian Corp
8
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Posted - 2014.01.14 12:30:00 -
[253] - Quote
Trying to Work The Plan myself. Currently my unadjusted Gallente Standings are .29 and after Connections it is 1.46. I have the Gallente Graduation Certificate (signed) in my Cargo Hold yet Avrue Auz will not give me any missions. She is listed as being Available yet I get the "Sorry, I have no jobs available for you." response when I talk to her. I am 99.9% certain I have not done any of these in the past so I am kinda stumped about what I might be doing wrong. Advice? Thanks in advance.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19629
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Posted - 2014.01.14 21:53:00 -
[254] - Quote
Vira'li,
An easy way to check if you've accessed an agent in the past is to open the agents info box and check the standings tab. It will show the agents standing towards you. If it's 0.00 (neutral) then you haven't accessed the agent. Any other amount shown, either positive or negative, means you've accessed that agent in the past.
Since Avrue Auz is a level 1 agent, standing for access isn't a problem. While doing those missions you will be introduced to another agent - Mamo Guerre - who's mission series must be completed first to finish the mission series for Avrue Auz. You can check info on Mamo Guerre standing towards you as well for verification.
Having said that, sometimes agents tend to be lazy (bugged) and a GM can usually get them working again.
Right now your best option is to file a Support Ticket (petition) in game asap and hopefully a GM can fix the problem.
Hope that helps and good luck.
DMC |
Audemed
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:31:00 -
[255] - Quote
As I'm currently living in curse, I figured that hell, why not try to get my angel/domination/serpentis standings up; I have a station for each in my system, with L1 agents. However reading through "the plan", appears to me that with my horrible ratings (-7.61 on serpentis) there's no way to recover it. I ran the epic arc, and got my dominations to a reasonable level, but is my serpentis rating unrecoverable? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19725
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:32:00 -
[256] - Quote
Audemed,
Thanks for posting that question.
Training Diplomacy level 5 will raise a -10.00 standing to -6.00 standing. Also don't forget to train up Social which will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions. Criminal Connections will increase the current positive Pirate standing which will help gain access to higher level agents much faster.
As for actually gaining Pirate Faction standings, you can either grind level 1 missions + Storyline for Serpentis or continue running missions for Angel to gain derived standing gains towards Serpentis. On that note there's also Angel Cosmos Agents that will help raise Serpentis Faction with derived standing increase.
Eventually you'll get Serpentis Faction up above -2.00 standing to access their higher level agents.
Good luck to you.
DMC |
hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
25
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:41:00 -
[257] - Quote
How long does it take to run "the plan"? Lets assume neutral starting standings, and wanting to get to 7+ (free reprocessing, high-sec pos).
Weeks? Months? Half a year?
Also, i've read some old wiki somewhere that mentioned standings degrade over time. Is that true? |
Qalix
Long Jump.
100
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:34:00 -
[258] - Quote
hydraSlav wrote:How long does it take to run "the plan"? Lets assume neutral starting standings, and wanting to get to 7+ (free reprocessing, high-sec pos).
Weeks? Months? Half a year?
Also, i've read some old wiki somewhere that mentioned standings degrade over time. Is that true? There are too many variables to calculate time. But it doesn't take long, with Social 5 and Connections 5, starting with no base standings (but w/ Connections 5 that's 2.0 to start with all corporations), I went from 2.0 to 5.20 with 33 missions and 2 storylines. Standings gains are diminishing returns, meaning the closer you get to 10, the harder it is to raise the standings.
They do not "degrade" unless you get negative standings from some other source (e.g., you run a storyline for an opposing faction). |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21150
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:14:00 -
[259] - Quote
A lot depends on how many hours per log in session you do.
Then you gotta take into account your skill level, type of ship and equipment used, time spent researching info on various Event Agents before interaction, extra time spent due to having hostile players in system, etc.
There's just way too many variables to give an accurate time estimate for getting up above +7.00 standing with the 4 main Empire Factions.
However I will say this. Over the years 'The Plan' has been proven time and time again by the player base to be the quickest and easiest way to build up Faction standing.
DMC |
Miss Negotiatrix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:25:00 -
[260] - Quote
am I right in saying in t he social skills, social V is the only must have skill before starting a standings grind? The others dont effect total gain from missions, just helps the modified standings? |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25309
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:44:00 -
[261] - Quote
Miss Negotiatrix wrote:am I right in saying in t he social skills, social V is the only must have skill before starting a standings grind? The others dont effect total gain from missions, just helps the modified standings? That's a good question.
Yes, Social level 5 to gain max standing increase for completing missions would be considered the 'Must Have' skill..
However, I feel Connections level 5 is just as important since it raises your current positive standing which actually reduces the amount of time spent grinding missions in order to reach your standing amount goal.
I hope you understand what I mean. Thanks for posting and good luck to you.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Miss Negotiatrix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:55:00 -
[262] - Quote
oh I agree, that and diplomacy I think it is I feel are must have, I just meant the skills I needed before I fired the first shot or did my first rookie missions etc. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28648
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Posted - 2014.04.18 04:46:00 -
[263] - Quote
Miss Negotiatrix,
If the standing amount goal is small, IE, just need to raise the positive standing amount a little bit for access, then training a couple levels of Connections to achieve it would be the better route to go since that wouldn't incur any derived standings.
As for the Diplomacy skill, that's most definitely the number one skill to train for dealing with negative standings. Basically it's like a big jump-start towards gaining positive standings.
The main thing to remember is 'The Plan' can be customized to fit your specific situation. You don't have to follow it step by step.
For example = If you just need a couple of quick injections of positive standing gain, then just complete the Data Center 'Cert' missions followed with a couple of 'Tag' missions if needed.
Hope this helps.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36886
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Posted - 2014.04.18 04:46:41 -
[264] - Quote
Miss Negotiatrix,
If the standing amount goal is small, IE, just need to raise the positive standing amount a little bit for access, then training a couple levels of Connections to achieve it would be the better route to go since that wouldn't incur any derived standings.
As for the Diplomacy skill, that's most definitely the number one skill to train for dealing with negative standings. Basically it's like a big jump-start towards gaining positive standings.
The main thing to remember is 'The Plan' can be customized to fit your specific situation. You don't have to follow it step by step.
For example = If you just need a couple of quick injections of positive standing gain, then just complete the Data Center 'Cert' missions followed with a couple of 'Tag' missions if needed.
Hope this helps.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3275
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Posted - 2014.07.18 06:31:00 -
[265] - Quote
Thread unlocked to foster content creation. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3481
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Posted - 2014.07.18 06:31:02 -
[266] - Quote
Thread unlocked to foster content creation.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
978
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:35:00 -
[267] - Quote
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation.
Good move.
Small sidenote:
I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1181
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:35:40 -
[268] - Quote
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation.
Good move.
Small sidenote:
I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28648
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:27:00 -
[269] - Quote
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation. Thank you very much for doing that..
I need to make some changes to the original post and also wanted to provide an update of my stats from working 'The Plan'.
I'll try to keep track of the 3 month thread timer from now on.
Thanks again.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36886
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:27:53 -
[270] - Quote
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation. Thank you very much for doing that..
I needed to make some changes to the original post and also wanted to provide an update of my stats from working 'The Plan' which I'll post tomorrow.
Also in the future I'll try to keep track of the 3 month thread timer.
Thanks again.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28648
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:35:00 -
[271] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation. Good move. Small sidenote: I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships. Hasikan Miallok,
Thanks for posting and I agree - definitely a good move by ISD.
As for your sidenote, gratz and good job on bypassing the negative standing hits for aggro / ship kill. Any chance of elaborating on it?
Inquiring minds want to know.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36886
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:35:49 -
[272] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation. Good move. Small sidenote: I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships. Hasikan Miallok,
Thanks for posting and I agree - definitely a good move by ISD.
As for your sidenote, gratz and good job on bypassing the negative standing hits for aggro / ship kill. Any chance of elaborating on it?
Inquiring minds want to know.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28651
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Posted - 2014.07.19 07:41:00 -
[273] - Quote
It's been a while since I last posted an update of my stats.
I've mainly been doing exploration and running the Empire Epic Arcs every 3 months. I haven't done any other Event Agents because I'm actually trying to build up a standing buffer with the 4 main Empire Factions in order to run the level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs along with the Pirate Cosmos Agents.
Currently I'm running the Empire Epic Arcs and will post my updated stats once again after completing them.
Anyway, current stats :
Quote:Empire Standings - Modified (Base): Minmatar Republic +7.32 (+6.65), Amarr Empire +7.25 (+6.56), Gallente Federation +7.24 (+6.55), Caldari State +7.06 (+6.32), Khanid Kingdom +5.27 (+4.09), The Interbus +5.20 (+4.01), Ammatar Mandate +4.36 (+2.95), Concord Assembly +2.55 (+0.69),
Social Skills: Social lv 5 Connections lv 5 Fast Talk lv 5 Diplomacy lv 5 Negotiation lv 5
Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed: All Empire Factions
Data Center Tags completed: Minmatar = All Angel Tags Gallente = All Serpentis Tags Caldari = All Guristas Tags Amarr = All Blood Tags Ammatar = All Sansha Tags
Epic Arcs Completed: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 13x (6x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente, 3x Caldari) Level 4 Amarr = 5x Level 4 Caldari = 5x Level 4 Gallente = 5x Level 4 Minmatar = 7x
Cosmos Agents Completed: All Empire Factions = level 4 and lower (4 agents left)
Special Agents Completed (Security Status): Christer Fuglesang = Concord Jeremy Tacs = Concord
Security Status: +5.8
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36886
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Posted - 2014.07.19 07:41:38 -
[274] - Quote
It's been a while since I last posted an update of my stats.
I've mainly been doing exploration and running the Empire Epic Arcs every 3 months. I haven't done any other Event Agents because I'm actually trying to build up a standing buffer with the 4 main Empire Factions in order to run the level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs along with the Pirate Cosmos Agents.
Currently I'm running the Empire Epic Arcs and will post my updated stats once again after completing them.
Anyway, current stats :
Quote:Empire Standings - Modified (Base): Minmatar Republic +7.32 (+6.65), Amarr Empire +7.25 (+6.56), Gallente Federation +7.24 (+6.55), Caldari State +7.06 (+6.32), Khanid Kingdom +5.27 (+4.09), The Interbus +5.20 (+4.01), Ammatar Mandate +4.36 (+2.95), Concord Assembly +2.55 (+0.69),
Social Skills: Social lv 5 Connections lv 5 Fast Talk lv 5 Diplomacy lv 5 Negotiation lv 5
Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed: All Empire Factions
Data Center Tags completed: Minmatar = All Angel Tags Gallente = All Serpentis Tags Caldari = All Guristas Tags Amarr = All Blood Tags Ammatar = All Sansha Tags
Epic Arcs Completed: Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 13x (6x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente, 3x Caldari) Level 4 Amarr = 5x Level 4 Caldari = 5x Level 4 Gallente = 5x Level 4 Minmatar = 7x
Cosmos Agents Completed: All Empire Factions = level 4 and lower (4 agents left)
Special Agents Completed (Security Status): Christer Fuglesang = Concord Jeremy Tacs = Concord
Security Status: +5.8
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Endecroix
Royal Reidquat Airforce
11
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:02:00 -
[275] - Quote
I've been doing the same as you working up all factions. I think it is worth noting that rather than run missions for the Amarr to improve the standing it makes sense to actually run them for Khanid Kingdom and Ammatar Mandate. The reason being that the way derived standings work you will adequately boost your Amarr standing and both those two factions. If you run Amarr then you don't gain the same benefit the other way.
As long as you only boost the lowest standing faction you do slowly climb although it is a rather slow climb. However, once you get past a certain point you do have pretty much every agent available to you and it does make things easier. |
Endecroix
Royal Reidquat Airforce
13
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:02:47 -
[276] - Quote
I've been doing the same as you working up all factions. I think it is worth noting that rather than run missions for the Amarr to improve the standing it makes sense to actually run them for Khanid Kingdom and Ammatar Mandate. The reason being that the way derived standings work you will adequately boost your Amarr standing and both those two factions. If you run Amarr then you don't gain the same benefit the other way.
As long as you only boost the lowest standing faction you do slowly climb although it is a rather slow climb. However, once you get past a certain point you do have pretty much every agent available to you and it does make things easier. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
980
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:45:00 -
[277] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation. Good move. Small sidenote: I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships. Hasikan Miallok, Thanks for posting and I agree - definitely a good move by ISD. As for your sidenote, gratz and good job on bypassing the negative standing hits for aggro / ship kill. Any chance of elaborating on it? Inquiring minds want to know. DMC
Chapter 1 - The Passage seems to have no standing loss even if you kill the Amarr Chapter 2 - Songs of the Past has no standing loss Chapter 3 has potential standing losses in Mission 1 and Mission 2
Mission 1 - Church of the Obsidian Defenders at the gate will scram you and prevent you using it so MJD away from the gate and draw defences away from it but do not shoot them, then once they are well clear of gate MJD back to gate and go through. Once you are in the pocket AB/MWD to can and grab mission objective and warp out.
Mission 2 - Heresiology You need to use an analyser on a series of cans. If you warp straight in you will be tanking heavy incoming damage which may be possible in a marauder? but not in a BS. In a BS you need to MJD away and draw the defenders after you (do not shoot) and then go back and use your analyser. You may need to repeat this process a few times if the defenders return too quickly.
(alternatively a corpmate/alt in a second ship could be used to draw them away instead) |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1181
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:45:32 -
[278] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation. Good move. Small sidenote: I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships. Hasikan Miallok, Thanks for posting and I agree - definitely a good move by ISD. As for your sidenote, gratz and good job on bypassing the negative standing hits for aggro / ship kill. Any chance of elaborating on it? Inquiring minds want to know. DMC
Chapter 1 - The Passage seems to have no standing loss even if you kill the Amarr Chapter 2 - Songs of the Past has no standing loss Chapter 3 has potential standing losses in Mission 1 and Mission 2
Mission 1 - Church of the Obsidian Defenders at the gate will scram you and prevent you using it so MJD away from the gate and draw defences away from it but do not shoot them, then once they are well clear of gate MJD back to gate and go through. Once you are in the pocket AB/MWD to can and grab mission objective and warp out.
Mission 2 - Heresiology You need to use an analyser on a series of cans. If you warp straight in you will be tanking heavy incoming damage which may be possible in a marauder? but not in a BS. In a BS you need to MJD away and draw the defenders after you (do not shoot) and then go back and use your analyser. You may need to repeat this process a few times if the defenders return too quickly.
(alternatively a corpmate/alt in a second ship could be used to draw them away instead) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28658
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Posted - 2014.07.19 19:58:00 -
[279] - Quote
Endecroix,
Yeah, I've heard other players say the same thing and I agree it's definitely a long grind to repair negative standings with positive derived standing gains.
However I've found that most players want to repair their negative standings quickly and as easily as possible which is the main focus of 'The Plan'.
Anyway, thanks for posting and I hope you have continued good luck with the standings game.
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Hasikan Miallok,
Thanks for sharing that info. That definitely helps a lot to minimize negative standing hits.
I'll have to remember that next time I run the Minmatar Epic Arc.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36886
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Posted - 2014.07.19 19:58:57 -
[280] - Quote
Endecroix,
Yeah, I've heard other players say the same thing and I agree it's definitely a long grind to repair negative standings with positive derived standing gains.
However I've found that most players want to repair their negative standings quickly and as easily as possible which is the main focus of 'The Plan'.
Anyway, thanks for posting and I hope you have continued good luck with the standings game.
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Hasikan Miallok,
Thanks for sharing that info. That definitely helps a lot to minimize negative standing hits.
I'll have to remember that next time I run the Minmatar Epic Arc.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Mishra San
KdC Enterprise
0
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:02:00 -
[281] - Quote
Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra |
Mishra San
KdC Enterprise
3
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:02:11 -
[282] - Quote
Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
454
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:02:00 -
[283] - Quote
Obviously you did not read the plan well. As your faction standing gains for one faction, it lowers for the opposing faction but not by that much. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:02:58 -
[284] - Quote
Obviously you did not read the plan well. As your faction standing gains for one faction, it lowers for the opposing faction but not by that much. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
192
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:32:00 -
[285] - Quote
Mishra San wrote:Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra You're supposed to bounce back and forth doing higher and higher level agents in the plan until everybody is positive and you're happy with the results. You CAN get everyone above 5.0 but its very time consuming and completely unnecessary. Just keep 2 of them 'good' and keep whoever you like best above 5.0.
And avoid missions where you shoot empire. Those missions are for people who don't mind empires hating them. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
212
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:32:01 -
[286] - Quote
Mishra San wrote:Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra You're supposed to bounce back and forth doing higher and higher level agents in the plan until everybody is positive and you're happy with the results. You CAN get everyone above 5.0 but its very time consuming and completely unnecessary. Just keep 2 of them 'good' and keep whoever you like best above 5.0.
And avoid missions where you shoot empire. Those missions are for people who don't mind empires hating them. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1112
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:23:00 -
[287] - Quote
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Mishra San wrote:Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra You're supposed to bounce back and forth doing higher and higher level agents in the plan until everybody is positive and you're happy with the results. You CAN get everyone above 5.0 but its very time consuming and completely unnecessary. Just keep 2 of them 'good' and keep whoever you like best above 5.0. And avoid missions where you shoot empire. Those missions are for people who don't mind empires hating them.
Another good way to bump Gallente is run SOE missions.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1181
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:23:21 -
[288] - Quote
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Mishra San wrote:Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra You're supposed to bounce back and forth doing higher and higher level agents in the plan until everybody is positive and you're happy with the results. You CAN get everyone above 5.0 but its very time consuming and completely unnecessary. Just keep 2 of them 'good' and keep whoever you like best above 5.0. And avoid missions where you shoot empire. Those missions are for people who don't mind empires hating them.
Another good way to bump Gallente is run SOE missions.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28781
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:25:00 -
[289] - Quote
Mishra San wrote:Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra Yeah, the standings are gonna do a See-Saw action while working 'The Plan'.
Since you already have high Faction standing with Gallente Corporations, you can easily do level 4 missions for them as long as their Faction remains above -2.00 standing. If you want to access high level agents without building up high Faction standings, then you're gonna have to build up Corporation standings with the other Factions. As long as you maintain all of the Empire Factions above -2.00 standing, you'll be able to access their high level agents.
I can guarantee if you follow all the steps listed in 'The Plan' and complete all the Event Agents Level 3 and lower, you will be above +6.00 standing. Unfortunately that will take some time to complete and nobody can give a definite answer on how long that will take. Over the past couple of years I have basically done every step of 'The Plan' and my standings are well over +7.00 with the 4 main Empire Factions. During that period I spent half of the time working on standings and the other half doing exploration.
Now if you want to have high Faction standings like mine, then I suggest you continue following the steps listed in 'The Plan' and when all 4 Empire Faction standings equalize, you can then raise them all equally by 'bouncing' between the various Factions when needed by working their Event Agents.
For a short cut, bypass the Cosmos Agents for now and just concentrate on working the Career, Circle and Data Center Agents till the Faction standings equalize. Remember to keep watch on your standings and 'bounce' over to another Faction as needed to equally raise all the Faction standings. Since you already had high standings with Gallente, you probably won't have to complete all of their Event Agents in order to maintain equal standings with the other Empire Factions. After you've completed most of the Career, Circle and Data Center Event Agents and have raised the 4 main Factions equally, you'll have a much better idea of what steps are needed to complete your goal.
Hope this helps.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36886
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:25:40 -
[290] - Quote
Mishra San wrote:Hey DMC,
according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4-¦s for whomever i want to.
I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.
After i-¦ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)
Now i-¦m unsure what-¦s the next step would be the better.
1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr? or 2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?
Any hints?
Thanks ... Mishra Yeah, the standings are gonna do a See-Saw action while working 'The Plan'.
Since you already have high Faction standing with Gallente Corporations, you can easily do level 4 missions for them as long as their Faction remains above -2.00 standing. If you want to access high level agents without building up high Faction standings, then you're gonna have to build up Corporation standings with the other Factions. As long as you maintain all of the Empire Factions above -2.00 standing, you'll be able to access their high level agents.
I can guarantee if you follow all the steps listed in 'The Plan' and complete all the Event Agents Level 3 and lower, you will be above +6.00 standing. Unfortunately that will take some time to complete and nobody can give a definite answer on how long that will take. Over the past couple of years I have basically done every step of 'The Plan' and my standings are well over +7.00 with the 4 main Empire Factions. During that period I spent half of the time working on standings and the other half doing exploration.
Now if you want to have high Faction standings like mine, then I suggest you continue following the steps listed in 'The Plan' and when all 4 Empire Faction standings equalize, you can then raise them all equally by 'bouncing' between the various Factions when needed by working their Event Agents.
Remember to keep watch on your standings and 'bounce' over to another Faction as needed to equally raise all the Faction standings.
For a short cut, bypass the Cosmos Agents for now and just concentrate on working the Career, Circle and Data Center Agents till the Faction standings equalize. Since you already had high standings with Gallente, you probably won't have to complete all of their Event Agents in order to maintain equal standings with the other Empire Factions. After you've completed most of the Career, Circle and Data Center Event Agents and have raised the 4 main Factions equally, you'll have a much better idea of what steps are needed to complete your goal.
Hope this helps.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
455
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:18:00 -
[291] - Quote
Don't forget, Career, Data Canter, and Circle agents can only be done once. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:18:13 -
[292] - Quote
Don't forget, Career, Data Canter, and Circle agents can only be done once. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28789
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Posted - 2014.08.20 04:30:00 -
[293] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Don't forget, Career, Data Canter, and Circle agents can only be done once. Yeah, also the Cosmos Agents as well.
The Epic Arc Agents can be completed every 3 months for a large positive Faction standing increase with little to no negative standing incurred.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36886
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Posted - 2014.08.20 04:30:48 -
[294] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Don't forget, Career, Data Canter, and Circle agents can only be done once. Yeah, also the Cosmos Agents as well.
The Epic Arc Agents can be completed every 3 months for a large positive Faction standing increase with little to no negative standing incurred.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Cameron Freerunner
Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra
96
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:45:00 -
[295] - Quote
Props for reopening the thread.
As good as the information has always been, its a shame CCP made faction standing nearly irrelevant.
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Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
117
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:45:52 -
[296] - Quote
Props for reopening the thread.
As good as the information has always been, its a shame CCP made faction standing nearly irrelevant.
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Mishra San
KdC Enterprise
1
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:54:00 -
[297] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Props for reopening the thread.
As good as the information has always been, its a shame CCP made faction standing nearly irrelevant.
I-¦m sure they-¦ll make it usefull again soon (tm)
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Mishra San
KdC Enterprise
3
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:54:07 -
[298] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Props for reopening the thread.
As good as the information has always been, its a shame CCP made faction standing nearly irrelevant.
I-¦m sure they-¦ll make it usefull again soon (tm)
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1845
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Posted - 2014.11.19 22:32:29 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Thread unlocked to foster content creation. Thread unlocked because of precedent and :content:.
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DeMichael Crimson
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Posted - 2014.11.19 23:19:35 -
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ISD LackOfFaith,
Thank you very much. I promise to try my best to not let this happen again.
I'll be updating my standing stats asap.
Thank you once again.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
Data Venia
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I was looking into getting standings with all factions about 2 years ago. I did figure out that if you swap sides you can go up, but that didn't yield that much of an result. So found the plan, even though I did skip most of the stuff from there, I found out about L4 epic arcs and that they don't cause standings hit, so decided to skip every storyline and anti-faction missions and just do Incursions, Epic arcs and occasional regular missions. After 2 years, and countless epic arcs (2-3 toons doing them every 3 months, I'm guessing I completed each epic arc at least 15-20 times :D)
My main now has (unmodified) Amarr Empire7.82 Gallente Federation6.49 Minmatar Republic6.29 Caldari State5.72 Servant Sisters of EVE4.94 Khanid Kingdom3.78 Mordu's Legion Command3.17 The InterBus3.05 The Society of Conscious Thought1.93 ORE1.33 Jove Empire0.91 Ammatar Mandate0.88
My alt has (unmodified) Amarr Empire8.38 Caldari State8.09 Mordu's Legion Command7.20 Ammatar Mandate6.50 Gallente Federation5.31 Minmatar Republic5.10 Khanid Kingdom5.01 Servant Sisters of EVE1.81 The InterBus1.61
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Posted - 2014.11.22 06:02:53 -
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Sentenced 1989,
Gratz on getting those standings up, very impressive.
DMC
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Arashi Kumo
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.26 10:41:57 -
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Hello, I am trying to reach positive standing with each empire, and gain access to a lvl 4 R&D agent for each empire. I started with the amarr, and at the time I did not plan on keeping positive standings. So currently my highest standing is 0.91 for the Caldari. The lowest is minmatar at -1.94, I currently have access to lvl 1 R&D agents for the Carthum Conglomerate. I am going to begin using 'The Plan' in the hopes of reaching positive standings for each empire. I have a few questions regarding the point at which standings equalize. I am not planning on raising them all to 5.00 or above, and by positive I mean simply want to be welcome in each empire 0.04 as a low example would be fine with me. My question is how far do I need to go with the standings for each empire. I do not have access to lvl 4 agents for any corp, and in your opinion would i need to gain access to lvl 4 epic arc and cosmos agents to achieve this?. (also first forum post lol ) |
DeMichael Crimson
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:37:14 -
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Arashi Kumo,
Hello and welcome to the forums.
As long as your Empire Faction standings remain above -5.00 standing, you can freely travel everywhere. To access high level agents, the Faction standing needs to remain above -2.00 standing.
R&D Agents require a minimum amount of positive Faction and Corporation standing for access. To see what amount is needed, show info on the agents and then work 'The Plan' to achieve that goal. After reaching the minimum amount of Faction standing, you'll have to do regular missions to gain the Corporation standing.
The thing about the Epic Arcs is they give a large Faction standing increase with little to no derived standing hits. The only problem is they can only be completed every 3 months. The rest of the Event Agents can only be completed once in the life of the character.
If you follow 'The Plan' you'll be able to access R&D Agents with each Empire Faction. Training Research Project Management skill to Level 5 will give access to 6 R&D Agents.
For right now I suggest you follow the steps outlined in 'The Plan' and get the Faction standings close to equal. After viewing the required amount of standings needed for R&D Agents, bounce between the various Event Agents until you have gained the minimum amount of required Faction standings, then work regular missions for the Corporation Agents. Make sure to decline all Anti-Empire encounter missions and also Storyline mission offers in order to maintain your Faction standings.
Hope this makes sense. Good luck to you and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
DMC
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Wuu Tang
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Is there an mission to boost caldari empire standings without killing the other 3 empire standings? Similar to how SOE missions boost gallante without decreasing other 3 empire standings. |
DeMichael Crimson
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Wuu Tang,
Thanks for posting that very good question. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you're talking about derived standings.
So to answer your question, I would say the Epic Arc missions are pretty much the only type that does what you're asking.
Just remember though, doing them will still incur a little bit of negative Faction standing hits due to ship kills / aggression. The amount of negative standing incurred is very small compared to the amount of positive standing gained for completion.
Also the negative standing hits to the other Faction can be easily managed just by completing their Epic Arcs as well.
DMC
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.26 16:39:49 -
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Sentenced 1989 wrote:I was looking into getting standings with all factions about 2 years ago. ... After 2 years, and countless epic arcs (2-3 toons doing them every 3 months, I'm guessing I completed each epic arc at least 15-20 times :D) Congrats.
I set a goal to get above 5 standings with all factions before crius so I could anchor a tower anywhere in Empire. That reason doesn't exist anymore, but I still want to accomplish the goal. I just wish CCP would quit nerfing the rewards that go with standings.
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DeMichael Crimson
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Posted - 2015.01.27 07:49:44 -
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Shiloh Templeton,
Yes I agree, the main reason for having high Faction standings in the past was to anchor a POS in high security.
However, there's still other benefits to having high Faction standings too, mainly being able to access all Agents in all Corporations within those Factions. That makes it very easy to build up Corporation standing to create Jump Clones, get reduced tax on Refining as well as access high level Locator Agents.
I think CCP did a big mistake when they removed the Faction Standing requirement for anchoring POS in high security systems but that's a topic for another thread.
Anyway, 'The Plan' itself was actually created to repair negative Faction standings. While in the process of doing that it also helps boost positive Faction standings. If worked correctly players can easily get positive Faction standings with all Empire Factions. Over time the 4 main Factions can be well above +7.00 Faction standing.
DMC
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Murderface Mona
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 10:56:31 -
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Do you have a recommended ship or class of ship for completing most of these missions? |
Sentenced 1989
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Murderface Mona wrote:Do you have a recommended ship or class of ship for completing most of these missions?
Marauder, any will do with decent fit. I aim for 1000-1200 dps tank in bastion + 4 faction damage modifiers, rest is what ever you fancy. You can prolly get away with ship hull + 250-400 mill for damage mods, 100 mill for rigs and rest can be T2 and it will perform nicely.
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Sentenced 1989 wrote:Murderface Mona wrote:Do you have a recommended ship or class of ship for completing most of these missions? Marauder, any will do with decent fit. I aim for 1000-1200 dps tank in bastion + 4 faction damage modifiers, rest is what ever you fancy. You can prolly get away with ship hull + 250-400 mill for damage mods, 100 mill for rigs and rest can be T2 and it will perform nicely. There are my standings now Amarr Empire7.78 Gallente Federation6.94 Minmatar Republic6.75 Caldari State6.58 And in past I've used Machariel, Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vargur, Paladin, Golem (sometimes just one ship, sometimes 2 of them on grid) and all of them worked, but marauders work best since ewar immunity. Otherwise gun ships have issues with amarr one due to tracking disruption, all non-marauders need buddy or drone boat for last caldari mission and its pain for damps in gallente one without bastion. Only ever lost one ishtar due to going afk for 1 minute and not noticing there were still couple neuting cruisers who drained its cap and killed it.
A T2 fit Vargur and a T2 fit Cov Ops can do every mission in the Epic Arc except for some of the branch missions with courier stuff.
This man speaks the truth though, as all those ships are viable. However many people report their faction standings didn't change after the arcs. To each their own. |
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
This man speaks the truth though, as all those ships are viable. However many people report their faction standings didn't change after the arcs. To each their own.
Thats because of an bug while fleeted with somebody else and doing same mission 2 times, wrong character gets objective completed marker. Just petion it and you get standings. Also Gallente mission Heresiology is currently bugged and needs petition to complete.
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DeMichael Crimson
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Posted - 2015.01.30 20:19:51 -
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Wow, got some action happening in this thread again.
Thank you all for posting info here. It's definitely helpful and very much appreciated.
Murderface Mona wrote:Do you have a recommended ship or class of ship for completing most of these missions? That's a very good question, not to mention also very important.
Since I'm Minmatar I only used Minmatar ships. Also I had completed the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' before CCP did their Ship re-balancing so all of my ship fits were max fit using T2, Faction and Deadspace modules.
The main thing to remember is that the difficulty level of Cosmos Agent missions are actually a step higher than regular Agent missions. Basically that means a level 2 Cosmos Agent is actually equal to a level 3 regular Agent.
Having said that I can only list ship class, not specific names.
All of the level 1 Event Agents can be easily completed in a combat Frigate, best to use an Assault Frigate when you do the level 1 Cosmos Agents.
For level 2 Cosmos Agent missions I suggest a well fit Cruiser. I actually used 2 different types. A basic Combat Cruiser (T1) and a Force Recon Cruiser (T2), depending on the mission.
For majority of level 3 Cosmos Agent missions I used a T1 Battlecruiser.
For level 4 Cosmos Agent missions and also for the Epic Arcs I used a T3 Strategic Cruiser. (The only Epic Arc mission I can't complete solo is the final mission in the Caldari Epic Arc due to the perma-jam being done by Elite Cruisers. I have a Fleet member help with that mission.)
At various times depending on the situation I'd use other ships, such as a Shuttle, Industrial, Blockade Runner, etc. Some missions send you into Complexes that only allow a specific class of ship and other missions send you into low sec so a ship able to use a Covert Ops Cloak module is very helpful (Force Recon, Blockade Runner, T3 Cruiser). Also remember some of the missions require probing and some require Hacking so you'll need a ship capable of that while doing combat as well.
The Event Agent missions can only be completed once so best to be prepared with a large variety of ships to use including a Battleship. Also make sure you have some friends online and nearby cause some of the missions may require Fleet members to complete.
Sorry I couldn't be more specific, hope this is helpful and good luck to you.
DMC
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Murderface Mona
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, got some action happening in this thread again. Thank you all for posting info here. It's definitely helpful and very much appreciated. Murderface Mona wrote:Do you have a recommended ship or class of ship for completing most of these missions? That's a very good question, not to mention also very important. Since I'm Minmatar I only used Minmatar ships. Also I had completed the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' before CCP did their Ship re-balancing so all of my ship fits were max fit using T2, Faction and Deadspace modules. The main thing to remember is that the difficulty level of Cosmos Agent missions are actually a step higher than regular Agent missions. Basically that means a level 2 Cosmos Agent is actually equal to a level 3 regular Agent. Having said that I can only list ship class, not specific names. All of the level 1 Event Agents can be easily completed in a combat Frigate, best to use an Assault Frigate when you do the level 1 Cosmos Agents. For level 2 Cosmos Agent missions I suggest a well fit Cruiser. I actually used 2 different types. A basic Combat Cruiser (T1) and a Force Recon Cruiser (T2), depending on the mission. For majority of level 3 Cosmos Agent missions I used a T1 Battlecruiser. For level 4 Cosmos Agent missions and also for the Epic Arcs I used a T3 Strategic Cruiser. (The only Epic Arc mission I can't complete solo is the final mission in the Caldari Epic Arc due to the perma-jam being done by Elite Cruisers. I have a Fleet member help with that mission.) At various times depending on the situation I'd use other ships, such as a Shuttle, Industrial, Blockade Runner, etc. Some missions send you into Complexes that only allow a specific class of ship and other missions send you into low sec so a ship able to use a Covert Ops Cloak module is very helpful (Force Recon, Blockade Runner, T3 Cruiser). Also remember some of the missions require probing and some require Hacking so you'll need a ship capable of that while doing combat as well. The Event Agent missions can only be completed once so best to be prepared with a large variety of ships to use including a Battleship. Also make sure you have some friends online and nearby cause some of the missions may require Fleet members to complete. Sorry I couldn't be more specific, hope this is helpful and good luck to you. DMC Thanks for the insight. The task seems overwhelming, but I'm sure if I take it on a little bit at a time I can get it done.
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Murderface Mona wrote: Thanks for the insight. The task seems overwhelming, but I'm sure if I take it on a little bit at a time I can get it done.
Well, I've listed various walk-through guide links in 'The Plan' for most of the Event Agent missions. As such, it makes it a lot easier to complete them. I suggest you do a little bit of research and view them first before actually contacting those Agents.
What I did was first view the various guides for a specific Agent and make a list of all items required to complete that Agents mission series. Then I'd go seek and secure those items first whenever possible before even contacting that Agent. Doing that allowed me to complete the missions and collect both the mission and bonus time rewards.
Most of the items can be obtained from Public Contracts and or Regional Markets if needed which helps a lot, especially if the mission is against one of the 4 main Empire Factions. Just remember doing that can get rather expensive but greatly reduces the amount of time required to actually complete those missions.
I mainly only did that when the mission was against one of the 4 main Empire Factions, which wasn't too often. Most of the time I just researched the Agents mission series first and then did the 'Seek & Secure' aspect first.
Anyway, hope you have much success and good luck working 'The Plan'.
DMC
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ficr
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Murderface Mona wrote: Thanks for the insight. The task seems overwhelming, but I'm sure if I take it on a little bit at a time I can get it done.
Well, I've listed various walk-through guide links in 'The Plan' for most of the Event Agent missions. As such, it makes it a lot easier to complete them. I suggest you do a little bit of research and view them first before actually contacting those Agents. Most of the required items can be obtained from Public Contracts and or Regional Markets if needed which makes it much easier to complete those missions. Just remember doing that can get rather expensive but greatly reduces the amount of time required to actually complete those missions. I mainly only did that when the mission was against one of the 4 main Empire Factions, which wasn't too often. Most of the time I'd do some research first by viewing the various guides for a specific Agent and make a list of all items required to complete that Agents mission series. Then I'd go seek and secure those items first whenever possible before even contacting that Agent. Doing that allowed me to complete the missions and collect both the mission and bonus time rewards. It also gave me a good idea on what type of ship to use as well. Anyway, hope you have much success and good luck working 'The Plan'. DMC
I'm a new player. I've run all the major empire's tutorial mission and I'm happy with my standings. Except for Faction
Thukker Tribe 0.49 (Diplomacy 3 raises your effective standing from -0.81) (Good)
I've sought out Thukker Mix and have run a few level 1 & 2 missions. Thukker Mix likes me but I Thukker Tribe's -0.81 won't move.
Thank You for you time. |
DeMichael Crimson
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ficr wrote:I'm a new player. I've run all the major empire's tutorial mission and I'm happy with my standings. Except for Faction
Thukker Tribe 0.49 (Diplomacy 3 raises your effective standing from -0.81) (Good)
I've sought out Thukker Mix and have run a few level 1 & 2 missions. Thukker Mix likes me but I Thukker Tribe's -0.81 won't move.
Thank You for you time.
Hello and welcome to Eve.
Faction standings are a bit of a puzzle right at first but this Standings table makes it much easier to understand. Whenever you complete a Storyline or Event Agent mission, your Faction standings will change. Also destroying certain structures and NPC ships will affect your standings as well.
To build up Faction standing directly with Thukker Tribe requires completing storyline missions gained after completing 16 regular missions. There's also 7 Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents available as well.
Just remember whenever you gain Faction standing directly with Thukker Tribe, you'll lose Faction standing with all the other Factions except Minmatar Republic. Thukker Tribe has positive standing with Minmatar Republic so they'll gain derived Faction standings indirectly whenever Faction standing is gained with Minmatar Republic.
In my opinion it's actually better to build up Thukker Tribe with derived standing gains from Minmatar Republic. I'd save the Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents for later after gaining high standing with the other Empire Factions.
In order to access high level Thukker Agents, just maintain their Faction above -2.00 standing. For traveling maintain their Faction above -5.00 standing. The Diplomacy skill should be able to achieve that quite easily.
Good luck to you, hope this was helpful.
DMC
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ficr
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:ficr wrote:I'm a new player. I've run all the major empire's tutorial mission and I'm happy with my standings. Except for Faction
Thukker Tribe 0.49 (Diplomacy 3 raises your effective standing from -0.81) (Good)
I've sought out Thukker Mix and have run a few level 1 & 2 missions. Thukker Mix likes me but I Thukker Tribe's -0.81 won't move.
Thank You for you time. Hello and welcome to Eve. Faction standings are a bit of a puzzle right at first but this Standings table makes it much easier to understand. Whenever you complete a Storyline or Event Agent mission, your Faction standings will change. Also destroying certain structures and NPC ships will affect your standings as well. To build up Faction standing directly with Thukker Tribe requires completing storyline missions gained after completing 16 regular missions. There's also 7 Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents available as well. Just remember whenever you gain Faction standing directly with Thukker Tribe, you'll lose Faction standing with all the other Factions except Minmatar Republic. Thukker Tribe has positive standing with Minmatar Republic so they'll gain derived Faction standings indirectly whenever Faction standing is gained with Minmatar Republic. In my opinion it's actually better to build up Thukker Tribe with derived standing gains from Minmatar Republic. I'd save the Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents for later after gaining high standing with the other Empire Factions. In order to access high level Thukker Agents, just maintain their Faction above -2.00 standing. For traveling maintain their Faction above -5.00 standing. The Diplomacy skill should be able to achieve that quite easily. Good luck to you, hope this was helpful. DMC
Sounds good.
So I'm on the right path. After 16 Thukker Mix I should see a storyline mission that will move that -81 closer to zero.
I had thought about doing another Minmatar tutoiral but then I worried about throwing Ammatar and Caldari off. I still got Sister of Eve coming up where you get to select free standing but I was planning to donate that to Ammatar to offset future stuff I don't know about yet. |
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ficr wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:ficr wrote:I'm a new player. I've run all the major empire's tutorial mission and I'm happy with my standings. Except for Faction
Thukker Tribe 0.49 (Diplomacy 3 raises your effective standing from -0.81) (Good)
I've sought out Thukker Mix and have run a few level 1 & 2 missions. Thukker Mix likes me but I Thukker Tribe's -0.81 won't move.
Thank You for you time. Hello and welcome to Eve. Faction standings are a bit of a puzzle right at first but this Standings table makes it much easier to understand. Whenever you complete a Storyline or Event Agent mission, your Faction standings will change. Also destroying certain structures and NPC ships will affect your standings as well. To build up Faction standing directly with Thukker Tribe requires completing storyline missions gained after completing 16 regular missions. There's also 7 Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents available as well. Just remember whenever you gain Faction standing directly with Thukker Tribe, you'll lose Faction standing with all the other Factions except Minmatar Republic. Thukker Tribe has positive standing with Minmatar Republic so they'll gain derived Faction standings indirectly whenever Faction standing is gained with Minmatar Republic. In my opinion it's actually better to build up Thukker Tribe with derived standing gains from Minmatar Republic. I'd save the Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents for later after gaining high standing with the other Empire Factions. In order to access high level Thukker Agents, just maintain their Faction above -2.00 standing. For traveling maintain their Faction above -5.00 standing. The Diplomacy skill should be able to achieve that quite easily. Good luck to you, hope this was helpful. DMC Sounds good. So I'm on the right path. After 16 Thukker Mix I should see a storyline mission that will move that -81 closer to zero. I had thought about doing another Minmatar tutoiral but then I worried about throwing Ammatar and Caldari off. I still got Sister of Eve coming up where you get to select free standing but I was planning to donate that to Ammatar to offset future stuff I don't know about yet.
Be aware of the standings increase penalties that you get from storylines too... running for Minmatar will tank your amarr, amatarr and khanid standings. |
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ficr wrote:Sounds good.
So I'm on the right path. After 16 Thukker Mix I should see a storyline mission that will move that -81 closer to zero.
I had thought about doing another Minmatar tutoiral but then I worried about throwing Ammatar and Caldari off. I still got Sister of Eve coming up where you get to select free standing but I was planning to donate that to Ammatar to offset future stuff I don't know about yet. If you follow the basic steps listed in 'The Plan', you'll be able to easily get and keep positive standings with all Empire Factions.
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Thanks for posting and good luck to you.
DMC
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.03 20:54:45 -
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Can we get this stickied? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Estella Osoka,
That very same question has been asked a few times in the past. Maybe CCP has run out of glue.
Thanks for posting.
DMC
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Paranoid Loyd
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Reported requesting sticky, everyone else should too.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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I don't know if that will work but thanks anyway .......................
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Papera Ebaki
Actos Violentos
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Hi DeMichael,
First up - thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for the guide!
Second, and my main question, my goal is to have all main empire factions >+5.0 for doing lvl 4 missions with 'any-one'.
I currently have social (5) and connections/diplomacy (4). Min/Gal are just over 5.0 with Ama/Cal around the 1.0ish mark (actually slightly negative but Diplomacy is making them positive).
The part I am confused with reading your plan is, if I continue to do any more cosmos/data agents for either Ama/Cal I will drop below 5.0 for Min/Gal. Dropping below 5.0 on Min/Gal locks me out of some of there lvl 4s which is my goal.
Basically, my fear is if I keep following the plan I might end up with say 3.0? faction for all 4 empires which means I'd have to wait every 3 months for the SOE arc to come around and slowly boost each one in turn till 5.0
Therefore, may I ask how you'd approach fixing up my lop-sided factions with the goals; - 'Trying' to keep min/gal above 5.0 - 'Trying to get ama/cal above 5.0 also (from around 1.0)
Also, there is mention not to accept regular 'shoot-faction' missions. No worries, but what if the storyline mission given asks me to shoot opposing faction ships? Do I have to decline and then grind another 16 to see what the next storyline requests?
Thanks in advance.
Again, I honestly appreciate your work.
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DeMichael Crimson
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Hello Papera Ebaki,
Thank you very much for the compliment. It's always good to see 'The Plan' is still helping Capsuleers.
Now about your situation. First let's address the grinding of 16 regular missions to gain a Storyline mission offer.
Yes, if offered a Storyline encounter mission against Empire Factions, decline it and continue grinding regular missions to get another Storyline offer. The same applies to grinding regular missions. If offered an encounter mission against Empire Factions, decline it and if necessary, wait out the 4 hour decline timer or access another Agent. That way any positive standings previously gained won't be damaged. I know it makes the process longer but it's well worth it.
As for your main issue, first off train Diplomacy and Connections to level 5 asap. That will give you a much better idea on how to proceed. Secondly, I can't really give advise on what steps to do without knowing how many Event Agents you've already accessed.
When working 'The Plan', the standings will do a 'Sea-Saw' action, meaning they will go up and down with the completion of each Event Agent. The main thing to do is to keep watch on the standings and 'bounce' over to the Faction with the lowest standings while you still have access to that level of Agent.
For example :
Let's say you've already accessed all level 1 and level 2 Event Agents for Minmatar and Gallente Factions with Minmatar above +5.00 standing and Gallente above +4.00 standing. Amarr Faction is currently at +1.00 standing and Caldari is +1.50 standing. Since Amarr Faction standing is the lowest and Minmatar Faction standing is the highest, work the Amarr Event Agents and keep watch on Minmatar Faction standing until it get's close to yet still remains above +3.00 Faction standing, then 'bounce' back to Minmatar and work their level 3 Event Agents.
Note : When doing that, Gallente Faction can be used instead of Minmatar since Gallente standings won't be hit as hard when working Amarr Event Agents. As such, their standings will probably become higher than Minmatar allowing access to their level 3 Event Agents.
Anyway, while doing that, keep watch on the other Factions and whichever one becomes the lowest standing, that's the next Faction to 'bounce' to and work. The trick is to maintain access to the current or next level of Event Agents for that Faction. Sometimes it can't be done and that's when the grinding of 16 regular missions for a Storyline offer is needed to get back to working 'The Plan'.
Eventually the Empire Faction standings will get close to being equal which is the initial goal. After that it's basically work one Factions Event Agent and then 'bounce' to another Factions Event Agent to slowly bring them all up together. The Epic Arcs are excellent for doing this, especially the level 1 Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc which allows you to choose one of the four main Empire Factions for completion.
I hope this info helps and feel free to ask questions again if needed. May you have good luck and much success working 'The Plan'.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
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Papera Ebaki wrote:Hi DeMichael,
First up - thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for the guide!
Second, and my main question, my goal is to have all main empire factions >+5.0 for doing lvl 4 missions with 'any-one'.
I currently have social (5) and connections/diplomacy (4). Min/Gal are just over 5.0 with Ama/Cal around the 1.0ish mark (actually slightly negative but Diplomacy is making them positive).
The part I am confused with reading your plan is, if I continue to do any more cosmos/data agents for either Ama/Cal I will drop below 5.0 for Min/Gal. Dropping below 5.0 on Min/Gal locks me out of some of there lvl 4s which is my goal.
Basically, my fear is if I keep following the plan I might end up with say 3.0? faction for all 4 empires which means I'd have to wait every 3 months for the SOE arc to come around and slowly boost each one in turn till 5.0
Therefore, may I ask how you'd approach fixing up my lop-sided factions with the goals; - 'Trying' to keep min/gal above 5.0 - 'Trying to get ama/cal above 5.0 also (from around 1.0)
Also, there is mention not to accept regular 'shoot-faction' missions. No worries, but what if the storyline mission given asks me to shoot opposing faction ships? Do I have to decline and then grind another 16 to see what the next storyline requests?
Thanks in advance.
Again, I honestly appreciate your work.
P
What I'm doing for myself is just to get social to level 5. Decline every mission which sends me out to kill Empire NPC's. Decline every storyline mission no matter what. That keeps your standings without changes, so you can run as many missions as you want and it won't change a thing.
After that I go for epic arcs, they bring big boost to certain faction with no penalties to others if you play it right. This is what I have now for standings: standings
Also, here is guide to epic arcs: epic arc guide *
*Guides are being updated, Amarr and Caldari has recent pass and are up to date and with easy mission selection menus. Minmatar and Gallente are up to date but with old styling so it's a bit harder to navigate the missions, new pass will be done on them over next weekend
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Civ Kado
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:32:17 -
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There should be an easier way to repair faction standings a la security tags for your own security standings. all this grinding is insane for this day and age. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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DMC if your goal were to bring an empire faction straight from 0.0 to 5.0 as quick (fewest gameplay hours) as possible, what would the method be?
I'm thinking its buy all the affordable data center tags for the faction of interest, and its main ally, and turn those in. Then buy the lv 2 cosmos items for both factions on contract and turn those in as well. I think in this case the circle agents and 'starter' agents would generally be a waste of time. I wonder if that would be enough, assuming you had the relevant social skills trained to V. |
Padegejas
Peace Empire for univers
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Civ Kado wrote:There should be an easier way to repair faction standings a la security tags for your own security standings. all this grinding is insane for this day and age.
And its great that CCP does not agree with you (I hope they will not in future either). And if "this grinding is insane" for you, most probably you can do other things, that are not / do not seem insane for you. Well... ruining your standing was the greatest insanity to start off and if you ruined it, most probably it happened because you thought: "reading guides and gathering information is for sassies and it's insane waste of time - there should be easier way to do that" so you went straight for shooting and blowing things. You had other options and made your choice .
The main thing which makes this game really good is that you have free choice and the choices you make bring you consequences. |
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How to fix Concord standings?
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Civ Kado
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:04:24 -
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Padegejas wrote:Civ Kado wrote:There should be an easier way to repair faction standings a la security tags for your own security standings. all this grinding is insane for this day and age. And its great that CCP does not agree with you (I hope they will not in future either). And if "this grinding is insane" for you, most probably you can do other things, that are not / do not seem insane for you. Well... ruining your standing was the greatest insanity to start off and if you ruined it, most probably it happened because you thought: "reading guides and gathering information is for sassies and it's insane waste of time - there should be easier way to do that" so you went straight for shooting and blowing things. You had other options and made your choice . The main thing which makes this game really good is that you have free choice and the choices you make bring you consequences. You're making a lot of assumptions that are making you look anything but good. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.06 05:54:14 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:DMC if your goal were to bring an empire faction straight from 0.0 to 5.0 as quick (fewest gameplay hours) as possible, what would the method be?
I'm thinking its buy all the affordable data center tags for the faction of interest, and its main ally, and turn those in. Then buy the lv 2 cosmos items for both factions on contract and turn those in as well. I think in this case the circle agents and 'starter' agents would generally be a waste of time. I wonder if that would be enough, assuming you had the relevant social skills trained to V. Well, that's pretty close.
When your standings are neutral or a little bit negative, the amount of standing gained from completing the low level Event Agents (Career, Circle, Data 'Cert' Agents) actually equals out to be quite large.
The path I'd take to quickly gain a significant amount of positive standing would be to first complete the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents along with the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert'). Next step would be to complete the rest of the Data Center Agents.
Of course those steps should be done for the Allied Faction as well.
For example :
Work the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Minmatar along with the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Gallente. Then after completing those Agents, work the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert') for both Factions, then complete the rest of the Data Center Agents for both Factions.
DMC
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.06 05:56:22 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:How to fix Concord standings? That's a good question. Unfortunately at this time there is no way to actually fix Concord Standings.
Sorry I couldn't help more.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2015.05.07 08:26:47 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:DMC if your goal were to bring an empire faction straight from 0.0 to 5.0 as quick (fewest gameplay hours) as possible, what would the method be?
I'm thinking its buy all the affordable data center tags for the faction of interest, and its main ally, and turn those in. Then buy the lv 2 cosmos items for both factions on contract and turn those in as well. I think in this case the circle agents and 'starter' agents would generally be a waste of time. I wonder if that would be enough, assuming you had the relevant social skills trained to V. Well, that's pretty close. When your standings are neutral or a little bit negative, the amount of standing gained from completing the low level Event Agents (Career, Circle, Data 'Cert' Agents) actually equals out to be quite large. The path I'd take to quickly gain a significant amount of positive standing would be to first complete the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents along with the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert'). Next step would be to complete the rest of the Data Center Agents. Of course those steps should be done for the Allied Faction as well. For example : Work the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Minmatar along with the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Gallente. Then after completing those Agents, work the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert') for both Factions, then complete the rest of the Data Center Agents for both Factions. DMC
I didn't do the math on this one, but I think you would be better off doing faction ally first and getting your main factions standings in the process, then after ally is done, then swap to main faction agents. I've noticed that when ever I did fast raising like this if I picked Amarr empire and did their agents first, then Caldari agents, I would end up with more Caldari standings in the end.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50463
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Posted - 2015.05.09 04:46:57 -
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Sentenced 1989 wrote:I didn't do the math on this one, but I think you would be better off doing faction ally first and getting your main factions standings in the process, then after ally is done, then swap to main faction agents. I've noticed that when ever I did fast raising like this if I picked Amarr empire and did their agents first, then Caldari agents, I would end up with more Caldari standings in the end. Yeah, in that scenario Amarr stops giving derived standing gains to Caldari when Caldari get's to +7.00 Faction Standing whereas Caldari stops giving derived standing gains to Amarr when Amarr gets to +5.00 Faction Standing.
As for Gallente and Minmatar, they both stop giving Derived Standing gains when their ally gets to +8.00 Faction Standing.
Always a good idea to check the Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier graph first.
Quote:Please note: In the Standing Relationships graph that's linked above, the 'In-Game Inter-Faction Relationships' graph is read from the top down and the 'Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier' graph is read from left to right.
DMC
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:50:13 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Maybe CCP has run out of glue. It took a while, but a new shipment has just arrived!
In other words, thread stickied.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:55:14 -
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Finally! Thanks Oba.. I mean, Ezwal. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50509
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:42:26 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Maybe CCP has run out of glue. It took a while, but a new shipment has just arrived! In other words, thread stickied.
Hope it was a big shipment.!!!!
DMC
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
106
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:25:24 -
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Oh my goodness, oh my goodness, oh my goodness.... so pleased this guide still exists....
Now that the theatrics are out of the way I need some help.
I'm returning to the game, probably in a smaller capacity than previously (famous last words) and ..... I might be bringing the Mrs with me.
She has expressed her discontent at pew pew and wants to do some trading. We'll be creating a new account for her to put 2 (possible 4) traders in the 2/4 main hubs and between us we'll use another of my existing characters to haul (I ain't do that!).
However I want to grind some standings for her and am unsure of how best to approach this.
Let me give you the lay of the land and hopefully someone will give me some decent (and hopefully accurate ) advice.
I have three accounts (not all live again yet). Each of these accounts is headed by a main combat character. Two are outstanding and one is a cheap Tengu pilot. But I think for the sake of standings they will be fine.
My no.1 Character (Barrak here) has various standings all over the place. I think he is key to achieving stuff, but this is based on my extensive knowledge of nothing. Oddly Barrak seems to have great Caldari Navy standing and poor state but strong Minnie and Gallente standings. I used to run a ton of Caldari Navy L4's years ago and I think I tried my hand at Faction warfare which might explain that.
Faction Standings: Minmatar Republic 7.81 (up from 7.39 connections) Gallente Federation 6.47 (up from 5.80 connections) Sisters of EvE 4.96 (up from 4 connections) Caldari State 1.56
NPC corporations: Caldari Navy 8.93 Tribal Liberation Force 8.92 Republic Security Services 6.33
At this stage I am unable to tell if my other two combat characters have any standings anywhere. They are showing nothing in EvEMon and EvEboard.
I do have an existing trader that also has decent standings
Faction Standings: Caldari State 6.08 (up from 5.54) Ammatar Mandate 6.48 (up from 6) Amarr Empire 5.60 (from 5) Minmatar -2.5 Gallente -2.66
Is there a way to utilise either of these characters to the benefit of the others?
I've been away so long I can not recall how you can use two characters to benefit eachother for standings (if you can at all).
Any advice is most welcome.
Regards
Barrak |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50510
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Posted - 2015.05.14 05:24:03 -
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Hello Barrak and welcome back to Eve.
Wow, that's a lot of info. Hopefully I can give you some idea on how to proceed.
First of all Faction Standings can't be shared between characters like Corporation and Agent standings, so fleeting up to get more than one character Faction standings at the same time won't work. Basically the character who accepts the Storyline / Event Agent mission will be the only one to get the Faction standing increase.
Course you can always fleet up multiple characters to help complete the mission much more quickly which would be very helpful. You can also accept the mission offer with one character (Trader) and use another character (Combat) to run the mission. I suggest using your Combat character to gain standings first so it can be used later on to complete missions for your Trader characters.
Anyway, best thing right now is to train up Diplomacy, Connections and Social skills. Doing that will give you better insight of what steps to do next.
Hope that helped and feel free to ask questions again.
DMC
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2015.05.14 07:55:44 -
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Thanks DMC,
Sadly you confirmed my suspicions......
Essentially I am going to be limited by the trading characters ability to draw missions. Thus Barrak here will run anything but it will only be what the Trader can give him to run.
Given what I have read overnight, I take it that many of the missions are combat missions? Thus a brand new trading character will not be able to complete them? I'm only asking because if Barrak is of little use I'll stick him back in the WH.
Also, and probably more out of curiosity than anything else, how high would I be able to get a single standing with this plan and how many hours do you think it takes?
As the training is for a trader alt I'm not repairing anything and am not to concerned about upsetting the opposite factions. Though I wouldn't want Barrak to get in trouble
Regards
Barrak |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50511
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Posted - 2015.05.15 05:24:26 -
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Personally I don't think your main combat character would be useless. Quite the contrary.
I'd work 'The Plan' with him for a little bit to gain access to the 4 main Factions space which would allow him to go everywhere. Then he can be the muscle to quickly complete missions for the other characters. Not to mention being able to enter all Empire space is especially good if you're interested in doing Exploration.
Basically if you're looking to just travel through high security Empire space or to do Trade, all you really need is to maintain high security Empire Factions above -5.00 standing. Now if you're looking to access Event Agents, most will accept Corporation standing as long as you maintain their Faction above -2.00 standing. Cosmos Agents are the only exception. They only accept Faction standing for access.
Not sure what you mean by a 'single' standing. If you only worked Event Agents for one set of allied Factions (Gallente & Minmatar or Amarr & Caldari) and only destroyed Faction NPC's / Structures required to complete the mission and didn't care about getting negative derived standing hits towards the other Factions, you can most definitely get well above +8.00 Faction standing. Probably close to +10.00 Faction standing.
As for amount of time it takes to work 'The Plan', nobody can really say since it depends on just exactly how high you wanna raise the standings. Not to mention how much personal time you want to invest in working 'The Plan'.
First thing to do is to train up the various Social skills and then see what all 4 main Empire Faction standings end up being at. Also I need to know just exactly what your 'end goal' is pertaining to Faction standings. That info would make it much easier for me to make suggestions which could help accomplish your goal.
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful and as usual, if you have any more question, please feel free to ask..
DMC
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2015.05.15 08:48:54 -
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DMC,
Again, thanks for taking the time to reply to me. I can see how I've not been entirely clear on my objectives.
Basically I want to created 2-4 trading characters that will sit in various hubs.
I need very specific faction standing for those characters to minimize tax at those stations. I only 'need' a single standing which is relevant to the station they are in, however if I can pick up the partner faction easily enough then that helps minimizing the number of accounts I use in the future.
That is the main and only goal.
The questions regarding my combat characters was based simply around - can they help the traders?
Initially my two main combat characters (as I have three) will be acting as scouts and couriers (if needed) thus they do require enough standing to be able to travel. Thus Barrak here can't afford to really upset the Amarrs much more (currently at -2.81 up from -5.25! with Diplomacy) and the Ammatars (-3.40).
I hope that answers your questions thus allowing you to answer mine
I do have some separate questions which relate to the above.
1. Assuming that my combat characters can help. Do I simply warp in together with the Trader POD and complete the missions for them or can the trader stay in the station?
2. Based on his standings (corp and faction) Barrak here can take various L4 missions across Minmatar (faction), Gallente (faction) and Caldari Navy (corp). Does that help? and if so, is it any faster?
Hope that is clearly than my previous posts.
Regards
Barrak |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50516
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Posted - 2015.05.17 04:17:16 -
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Yeah, that's a lot more clear.
To get standings for the Traders while using the combat characters to run the missions - Basically the Traders accept the mission offer and go to the mission site with the combat character in fleet. After the fleet lands at the site, the Trader character warps back to station and waits for the combat character to run the mission, then afterwards the Trader completes the mission with the Agent.
Rinse and repeat.
Now about getting standings for a specific station, that sounds like you wanna use the stations Refining service. Only need Corporation standing (+6.67) for that which can be quickly gained using the method described above.
I'm not sure if it's still available (CCP has quickly changed a lot of stuff recently) but characters use to get a break on Broker Fee's if they had high Faction Standings.
Anyway, when you gain standing with one Faction, you'll also gain Derived standing increase with that Factions Ally so yeah, that's sorta like fast tracking positive standing increase with both Factions at the same time.
If you have any more questions, just ask.
DMC
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2015.05.17 23:46:44 -
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Hey,
Thanks for the reply. It's low broker fee's that I need. I was thinking about refining at a later date though.
thanks for the confirmaiton on the missions.
I guess the same would apply to any mission.... ie. Once the Trader can take L4's then Barrak here can complete them. Though.... that is a tough grind to 8.00! |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.05.18 14:59:37 -
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Barrak wrote:Hey,
Thanks for the reply. It's low broker fee's that I need. I was thinking about refining at a later date though.
thanks for the confirmaiton on the missions.
I guess the same would apply to any mission.... ie. Once the Trader can take L4's then Barrak here can complete them. Though.... that is a tough grind to 8.00! I've did some grind recently for my Trader. Got him to 1.5/3 (something around it) just visited Data Centers (haven't completed expensive missions) and did some amount of missions for Distribution agent lvl2. Pretty easy if you have something to do in parallel. (in my case i have only one active account currently so running missions with 2 alts is not an option).
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50516
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Posted - 2015.05.19 03:24:31 -
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Barrak,
This is from Evelopedia :
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Market_Discussions_FAQ#Pilot_Skills_and_Standings
Quote:What impact do standings have on trading? The Market Order Broker Fees paid on placing a standing Market order are influenced by a pilot's standings (unadjusted by skills) to the corporation that owns station at which he or she is setting an order, and the faction of that corporation. Sales Taxes are not influenced by standings, nor are Contract Broker Fees. See also a chart illustrating the effect of positive standings on Market Order Broker Fees. A stealth patch in early 2010 changed the relationship between Market Order Broker Fees and standings; the formula is now: BrokerFee % = (1.000 % GÇô 0.050 % +ù BrokerRelationsSkillLevel) / 2 ^ (0.1400 +ù FactionStanding + 0.06000 +ù CorporationStanding), where FactionStanding and CorporationStanding are each in the range GÇô10.00 to 10.00. Note that faction standings have more than two times the impact of corporation standings. The minimum broker fee rate payable with Broker Relations at Level V and maximum standings is 0.1875%; the maximum, with no skills and horrible negative standings it's 4.000%. Standings do not influence the price demanded by NPC corporations for their items (BPOs, skill books, &c.).
Now about your Trader characters - They can run the low level Event Agent missions (Career, Circle, Data Cert, etc.) easily enough. In fact, the Data Center Agents only require Tags to complete their missions so to quickly run through them, all you need is plenty of ISK. The standing percentage gained from the low level Event Agents may not seem like a lot but for characters with low or no standings, the gain is actually quite large.
Now about your main Combat characters, as long as they stay above -5.00 Faction standing they will have no trouble entering Empire space to complete missions for your Trader characters. For the Combat characters to access high level Agents, they will need to get above -2.00 Faction standing.
Cosmos Agents are the only ones that require Faction standing for access. All other agents will accept Corporation standing instead of Faction standing for access, as long as the Faction standing doesn't drop to or below -2.00 Faction standing.
I hope this helps, good luck and much success to you.
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2015.05.23 10:33:27 -
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Hey.
DO the 'Event' agents count towards the 16 goal missions for an Epic(?)
Regards
Barrak. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50517
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Posted - 2015.05.24 02:56:03 -
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I think you're asking about getting a Storyline mission offer. If so then the answer is yes. All types of missions, regardless if from regular Agents or Event Agents, are added to the 16 mission completion count.
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2015.05.27 20:05:06 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I think you're asking about getting a Storyline mission offer. If so then the answer is yes. All types of missions, regardless if from regular Agents or Event Agents, are added to the 16 mission completion count.
DMC
Hey.
Interestingly I did not pick up any storyline mission whilst completing the career agents. I may be mistake as sometimes they were listed as such but that was normally their last mission in the chain.
My understanding was that you got sent somewhere else? though, I do not recall where I got that from. The missions (story) that I did collect were from the agents I was already running and they did not follow the 16 mission rule or anything close to it.
I'm currently grinding Amarr standing for my trader and have nearly completed career (x3) and circle agents. The only thing I have left due to a complete misread is the 2nd batch of datacentre agents along with the L4 initial run.
After that I was wondering what the gains would be by running the Caldaro lot? Without connections I am currently 3.51 with Amarr and 2.63 with Caldari.
Is it worth the time and hassle or am I better off running distribution missions and collecting storylines?
I should probably point out that Caldari standing will not benefit the character in question.
Regards
Barrak |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50518
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Posted - 2015.05.29 04:24:36 -
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Hi Barrak,
Well, since CCP has been constantly changing things I could be mistaken but as far as I know, all completed missions are added to the 16 mission count for a Storyline mission offer. Those missions have to be the same level with the same Faction.
I believe most of the Career Agents offer 10 missions in their series so you should have had a Storyline offer about 1/2 way through the next Career Agents mission series. The Career Agents don't actually send players to another Agent, all they do is mention in their last closing text message that Sister Alitura in Arnon system is looking for Capsuleers to complete an Epic Mission Arc.
Standing Relationships
Quote:Please note: In the Standing Relationships link, the 'In-Game Inter-Faction Relationships' graph is read from the top down and the 'Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier' graph is read from left to right.
As for doing Caldari Event Agent missions to help increase Amarr Faction standing, according to the Standings Relationship Graph linked above, Caldari will give derived standing gains to Amarr until Amarr reaches +5.00 Faction standing. Probably a good idea to run the lower level Caldari Event Agents up to that standing amount for Amarr, then train up the Connections skill to boost Amarr Faction standing up even more.
Now about keeping track of missions for Storyline offer, check out the Storyline Tracker = http://eve.timers.dk/
Hopefully this info helps.
Good luck to you.
DMC
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2015.05.29 07:22:41 -
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Thanks DM.
I'm running distribution missions now..... that is fun
I'll have another look at that link. To be fair I think you posted it before or on their main standings page. So a bad miss on my part.
Now that I have had two storyline missions I can confirm that I didnt get anything that looked like that in my journal and didnt receive any direct messages. But as you said, this isn't how it works for the career agents.
I think I have a bit of a grind ahead of me as I am at 5.6 faction standing but can not run combat missions (though I have been informed that Distribution, if ran correctly, are better than comabts). However the SL missions are only giving 0.3
lol.... well, better get back to it.
THanks for the assists! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50518
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Posted - 2015.05.30 01:02:46 -
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Ahhh, you're welcome, glad to help out whenever I can. Feel free to ask questions whenever needed.
As for gaining more Amarr Faction standing, make sure to train up the Connections skill asap. That will increase your current positive standings and don't forget to train up the Social skill as well. That will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions.
By the way, have you already completed the 3 Data Center 'Cert' Agents and also completed the mission series for the Agent that's listed on the cert ?
Other that that, it sounds like you're on the right track now. Hope you have much success working 'The Plan'..
DMC
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Wayne Donne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.11 21:15:57 -
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My mission running char is quite new so my standings are still rather equal. If you have had good social skills, couldn't you just run X number of missions in each faction space and then rotate, and that way, slowly work your way up for all the empire factions. So like do 20 caldari, then 20 gallente, then 20 amarr, then 20 minmatar missions. Then repeat. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50746
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Posted - 2015.07.12 08:30:51 -
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Hello and thanks for posting.
As for your question - Yes you could do that and like you said, slowly bring them all up equally. The key word here is 'Slowly'.
Since your character is basically starting out fresh, you can easily get very high Faction standings rather quickly with the 4 main Factions just by working the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'.
I suggest you work the low level Event Agents (Circle, Career and Data Center 'Cert' Agents) and then see how your standings look. You'll be surprised at how fast it actually is compared to working 16 regular missions just to get one Storyline Mission offer.
Besides that, you could end up declining that Storyline offer due to it being an encounter mission against one of the 4 main Factions. That means you'd have to do another 16 regular missions again just for another chance to gain Faction standing increase.
DMC
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Nhoor
Blazing Bootleggers
0
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Posted - 2015.08.02 07:47:21 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Hello and thanks for posting.
As for your question - Yes you could do that and like you said, slowly bring them all up equally. The key word here is 'Slowly'.
DMC
I have been working the repair plan for a few days now. Due to my working for both caldari and gallente agents my faction for both had been goin down the drain for quite some time.
I tried to salvage what i could by switching every now and then but the standings losses are bigger then the gains and in the end you wind up with negative faction standings for both.
So i began working the plan. However i noticed that doin the career missions for one faction also gives faction loss for the other. If i do the military career agent mission set for gallente faction i gain roughly +0.2 faction at the end of the series but i loose -0.1 faction for caldari.
I suppose theres no way around that and in the end you gain more then you loose but if you need to repair just 1 faction you definitly need to keep and eye on your opposing faction |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51092
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Posted - 2015.08.02 08:07:41 -
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Nhoor,
Yeah, it's basically a dance. Two steps forward and one step back.
That's the reason for the 'Bounce' action to the opposing Faction. Just gotta keep watch on the standings and switch Faction when needed to raise standings without cutting off access to the previous Faction.
Anyway, I hope you have good luck and much success working 'The Plan'..
DMC
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
563
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Posted - 2015.08.26 05:40:53 -
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Just wanted to say many thanks to DMC for pulling all this together and even more thanks for sharing it with the rest of us New Eden bastards. It's always a blessing when someone goes out of their way to piecing together lost, broken, or out of date data and knowledge and another blessing when they bring it to the rest of the world for all to learn of it. The fact that pilots new and old can benefit from this information equally and completely is yet another blessing in itself. The resources and sense of direction it offers can save many players countless hours trying to untangle and understand the web-like myriad of processes and activities necessary to healing the fiery tensions no doubt many have unknowingly or carelessly allowed to fester between them and their would-be Empire faction hosts.
I, myself, will soon be employing said knowledge to un**** my current status with the Minmatar and Galente so I can have a go at running missions in the other half of Empire space for a change -- and potentially maybe even open the door to other Epic Arcs as well. You are a gentleman and a scholar. I solute you, friend, and wish you well and safe travels in Eve and in (RL) life. Happy hunting.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51447
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:10:14 -
[360] - Quote
Sobaan Tali,
Thank you very much for those kind words.
Repairing negative Faction standings may seem like a long drawn out process but in reality it takes very little time when applying the steps in 'The Plan'.
I hope you have much success and good luck working 'The Plan'.
DMC
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
338
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Posted - 2015.09.05 11:15:00 -
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I just did my first epic arc (penumbra). It was fun so I've decided to do them all. Problem is I messed up my standings with galls and matars when I was noob.
My current standings are:
caldari 5,71 (4,90) amarr 4,55 (3,52) gallente 1,59 (-0,02) minmatar 0,85 (-0,89)
social skills levels:
connections IV diplomacy IV distribution connections IV security connections IV social IV
I did all carrer agents for all 4 factions, circle agents for caldari, amarr and most of data centers for caldari, amarr and gallente. So few questions: 1) What to do first? Boost my amarr standing via cosmos missions and do epic arc for amarr to level up standing more. Then do circle agents, data centers and cosmos missions for matars, but keep up 5.0 with amarr (for epic arc)? 2) How much matar cosmos missions will reduce standing with amarr? 3) Can I do cosmos missions in T3 (any warp gates that would not let me in)? 4) Any standing reduction in amarr epic arc (for other factions ofc)?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51841
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Posted - 2015.09.05 12:10:48 -
[362] - Quote
Hello Jeremiah Saken,
Thanks for posting. I'll try to help as best as I can.
First thing to do is train level 5 in Connections and Social. The skill Connections will raise your current positive standings and Social will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions.
Since you already have positive standing with the 4 main Empire Factions, all you really need to access the Epic Arcs is +5.00 standing with the Corporation of the starter Agents.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs
I suggest running regular level 3 missions for Impetus (Gallente) and Brutor Tribe (Minmatar) to gain access to their Epic Arcs. Decline the Storyline mission offers so you won't diminish your Amarr and Caldari standings. Also don't forget to decline all Anti-Empire encounter missions
You can also run the level 1 SoE Epic Arc and choose one of the four main Factions for completion. In this case I suggest Minmatar since they're the lowest. Also all of the Epic Arcs can be redone every 90 days. There's a few missions that incur negative standings for ship kill but the amount is very small.
Once you have access to all of the Epic Arcs, it will be much easier to maintain Amarr and Caldari Faction standing while increasing Gallente and Minmatar Faction standing.
I use Mission Reports as a guide for the Epic Arcs. Be sure to read the comments section at the bottom of each mission page.
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc
Hope this helps to get you started, if you have any more questions please feel free to ask.
DMC
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
597
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Posted - 2015.09.07 11:34:00 -
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Anyone happen to know off hand if D3s are restricted from L1s? Feeling like getting started on clawing back some Minmatar standings this week and didn't know if a Jackdaw can be used or if I'm gonna run into gate troubles. It's either that or I dust off my old Hawk. Haven't been in that ship in ages it seems.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51854
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Posted - 2015.09.07 11:45:08 -
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Since it's Destroyer class hull I don't see any reason why they couldn't be used.
Course if in doubt, the mission briefing should say if they're allowed or not allowed to access the mission site.
DMC
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
546
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Posted - 2015.09.07 12:44:03 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Since it's Destroyer class hull I don't see any reason why they couldn't be used.
Course if in doubt, the mission briefing should say if they're allowed or not allowed to access the mission site.
DMC
Don't forget that Strategic Cruisers are not allowed in certain DED sites even though Cruiser hulls (HAC, RECON) are.
CCP does some dumb things some times with communications.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
598
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:28:29 -
[366] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Since it's Destroyer class hull I don't see any reason why they couldn't be used.
Course if in doubt, the mission briefing should say if they're allowed or not allowed to access the mission site.
DMC Don't forget that Strategic Cruisers are not allowed in certain DED sites even though Cruiser hulls (HAC, RECON) are. CCP does some dumb things some times with communications.
Yup, that's why I asked. I'll bring both just in case; I keep forgetting that I still have a Bowhead for some dumb reason.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51854
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Posted - 2015.09.07 17:04:55 -
[367] - Quote
Well, the mission briefing should list all ship classes that can access the mission site.
Worst case scenario, you won't be able to use a Tech 3 Destroyer and will have to use Tech 2 instead.
Anyway, thanks for posting. May you have much success repairing your Faction standings.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2015.09.08 08:04:15 -
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I did the whole SoE arc with this
[Jackdaw, SoE] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Domination EM Ward Amplifier Small Shield Booster II Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Relic Analyzer II
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Auto Targeting System I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
This ship will do any mission in the arc without needs to refit and all the gates will let you through
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51877
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Posted - 2015.09.10 03:32:43 -
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Sentenced 1989,
Thanks for posting.
Always good to get helpful knowledge posted in this thread.
DMC
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Turgon Erazmus
Omega Encounter BLUE Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.09.17 03:02:54 -
[370] - Quote
Hey, I'm not working the plan to repair anything in particular, but to make a gal trader
I started off as the plan said but have not alternated from minny to gal yet, I did the career, circle, data, and cosmos and am up to 7.84 minny and 7.05 gal
Now my understanding is that if I ran the minny epic arc it would really do nothing for me, is that correct? at least in regards to gal standings...
Also I know that derived standings go up to 8..,. so do you have any idea, even an estimation on how advantageous it would be for me to run minny missions now till my gal standings hit 8
Then moving to gal space and starting... career, circle, data etc etc as well as both gal and soe epics arcs
basically I wanna get as close to 10 as possible...
Thanks :) |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51946
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:39:14 -
[371] - Quote
Ahhh, so you're working 'The Plan' to boost positive standings for a Trade character, good idea.
Yeah, that's correct, no derived standings for completing the Epic Arcs. Now if you've already completed all of the Minmatar Event Agents, then I suggest jumping over to Gallente and start doing their Event Agents.
The reason I say that is because it will take quite a bit of time grinding regular missions just to get a Storyline offer. Also you might have to decline the Storyline offer which will make it even longer to gain Faction and derived standing increase.
Just remember that the low level Gallente Event Agents won't show very much increase due to you already having high standings but still every little bit helps.
After completing the Gallente Event Agents, run the level 4 Minmatar and Gallente Epic Arcs every 3 months to continue raising standings and use the level 1 SoE Epic Arc to help increase / balance those standings.
Good luck to you and thanks for posting.
DMC
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Turgon Erazmus
Omega Encounter BLUE Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.09.17 16:05:52 -
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Ok, I'll switch over now... when all is said and done I'll post what standings I end up with
I know when I did it with my jita trader I ended up 9+ unmodified it'll be interesting what I end up with a gal trader
What worries me with gal is the apparent lack of cosmo content... I havent done an exhaustive search for a definitive list yet but at a glance it seems to be the faction with the least cosmos.
I've been tossing around the idea when I'm done just to take a char and run all 4 sets of cosmos and make a guide for all highsec cosmos for all 4 factions since it seems like everything out here has broken links and is hard to follow these days... I know most were done back when eve was newish, and that most ppl would say eve is dieing so no need for a guide but I personally think eve will be around for awhile yet. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51949
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:32:01 -
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Well, the high sec Cosmos Agents were documented quite a while ago and CCP hasn't really done much to them so those guides are still viable.
Probably the most comprehensive one available at this time is this one written in German which requires the use of a translator app.
Also the EVE Special Agents Toolkit is another app listing mission info.
Then there's the old Gallente and Minmatar Cosmos Guide which is closed out but with the help of the 'Wayback Machine' you can still view the text.
Last is the Gallente Cosmos Guide listed in Evelopedia, however that doesn't offer much info, just a list of the Agents, location and mission names. It really should be updated with more info like the Evelopedia Amarr Cosmos Guide.
Anyway, I suggest checking them all out and do a Google search for more info.
Good luck.
DMC
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Turgon Erazmus
Omega Encounter BLUE Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.09.17 21:40:01 -
[374] - Quote
the german one is a good site, I always dismissed it cause I saw it was german but with translator its fine, hell even without it at least it gives a good list of every agent
have you ever done the low sec minny ones? any idea if they are as horrendously camped as the caldari? I'm skipping them but it would be nice to know if t hey were easy or not for future reference. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51954
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Posted - 2015.09.17 23:32:39 -
[375] - Quote
I've completed all of the 'Recruiter' Agents in low sec at 'Fort Kumar' and 'The Alliance Barracks'. Their Level 4 mission is called 'Proving Your Mettle'. Basically you have to collect 'Certificates' and destroy a bunch of drones in a Training Center located in their system. I started with a cloaked T3 Cruiser and finished with a cloaked Force Recon Cruiser to use Combat Drones. Make sure you take out the EWAR / web-scram drones asap. I had Safe Spots set up and watched D-scan for other players. If local is busy, go do something else and be sure to check back at different time slots for an open window to complete the missions.
Amarr Military Training Facility
Minmatar Military Training Complex - 2nd room
The level 3 low sec Empire Cosmos Agents don't give any Faction standing increase.
The only two Empire Cosmos Agents I haven't completed yet is Ison Tiadala - Warlord (Minmatar) and Minas Iksan - Central Control Tower (Amarr). They each offer a 10 part mission series against their enemy Factions which require destroying a lot of Empire NPC's. I decided I would do them later due to no BPC's as reward plus I'd like to build up more standings to act as a buffer. I'll probably run them both at the same time so as to maintain access to both Agents. I consider those two Agents as the End Game for the Empire Cosmos Agents.
My next goal is to complete the Guristas and Angel Cosmos Agents followed by the Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents. Will definitely need a large buffer on the Empire Faction standings for that. Last I plan to work on the Null Sec Cosmos Agents.
DMC
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Turgon Erazmus
Omega Encounter BLUE Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.09.17 23:41:36 -
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cool, thanks for the information
I plan on making a trading website eventually and probably will reference some aspects of what Ive learned from this thread about increasing standings, I'll give you and 'the plan' credit of course :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51954
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Posted - 2015.09.18 00:06:00 -
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Excellent and thanks.
Don't forget to post an update of your stats afterwards.
Good luck and much success to you.
DMC
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Turgon Erazmus
Omega Encounter BLUE Alliance
4
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Posted - 2015.09.19 07:28:54 -
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Well I decided to go into lowsec and mess with those before I flip to gall so for your reference with good social skills you can go from neutral to 8.41 Minny and 7.9 Gal... unmodified of course
Now having said that I did make 1 single mistake in that I also turned in 1 gall standings cosmos while I was in that lowsec system, the proving your mettle one
I also did the Ison Tiadala mission we were talking about and let me just say be sure to have a nice buffer as it hit my caldari standings pretty hard on my main combat char... I was however able to get through all that series with a tengu, though it took a bit of time.
another thing to keep in mind, that brought my modified minny standings up enough to turn in the first cosmos that get you BPCs, Mutama Czeik in Barkirk, my m odified after that was still only 8.72 so I stopped with Mutama, so I suppose if I was really anal about it I could grind missions till 9.6 or whatever it is and turn in Thoras tags and then to 9.9 and turn in Makors tags....
That would bring me up to 8 unmodified derived in gal but honestly, .1 gal standings is not worth that much extra work so I am just making the switch now.
Anyway... Tomorrow I plan on making the move to gal space so I'll keep you updated
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51973
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Posted - 2015.09.19 08:42:25 -
[379] - Quote
Turgon Erazmus wrote:Well I decided to go into lowsec and mess with those before I flip to gall so for your reference with good social skills you can go from neutral to 8.41 Minny and 7.9 Gal... unmodified of course
Now having said that I did make 1 single mistake in that I also turned in 1 gall standings cosmos while I was in that lowsec system, the proving your mettle one
I also did the Ison Tiadala mission we were talking about and let me just say be sure to have a nice buffer as it hit my caldari standings pretty hard on my main combat char... I was however able to get through all that series with a tengu, though it took a bit of time. Yeah, now you know why I said Ison Tiadala - Warlord (Minmatar) and Minas Iksan - Central Control Tower (Amarr) are the 'End Game' for the Empire Cosmos Agents.
Since there's hardly any info available on the Low Sec Cosmos Agents, my plan when I run them is to document them with screen shots like I posted earlier. Could document them in the Test server (Singularity), definitely wouldn't have to worry about interruptions from other players. I just don't like the idea of having to do it twice though.
Which reminds me, did you happen to document that mission series from Ison Tiadala?
Turgon Erazmus wrote:another thing to keep in mind, that brought my modified minny standings up enough to turn in the first cosmos that get you BPCs, Mutama Czeik in Barkirk, my m odified after that was still only 8.72 so I stopped with Mutama, so I suppose if I was really anal about it I could grind missions till 9.6 or whatever it is and turn in Thoras tags and then to 9.9 and turn in Makors tags....
That would bring me up to 8 unmodified derived in gal but honestly, .1 gal standings is not worth that much extra work so I am just making the switch now.
Anyway... Tomorrow I plan on making the move to gal space so I'll keep you updated So you're saying the Cosmos Ship BPC Agent didn't give you hardly any Faction standing increase after completion? Well that sux, makes it very tough to gain access to the other two Cosmos Ship BPC Agents. Oh well, at least we got the Epic Arcs to help gain access to them.
Anyway, thanks a lot for posting that info. Keep up the good work.
DMC
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Turgon Erazmus
Omega Encounter BLUE Alliance
5
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Posted - 2015.09.20 20:56:12 -
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unfortunatly I didnt keep any real documentation.. I was doing it late and wasn't thinking.
I have made my flip to gal space and started at a 7.9 umodified and in case your curious heres what it was after each career area
8.09 then 8.26 then 8.41
my circle agent turn in brought me to 8.43
after that I did the data centers, did the 2 with only 2 agents followed by the bigger one they went
8.47 then 8.52 then the last big one brought me to 8.87 standings
Next I'll start hitting cosmos but that will probably take a couple days so I'll let ya know what I'm at when I finish that... then i'll move on to gal epic and lastly soe epic and finally on to just plain grinding missions if that doesnt bring me to my goal, although I would imagine this will bring me to 9.4ish when all is said and done so we'll see... I may just end up running missions for federation navy standings more than gal standings. (for the corp standing in dodixie)
anyway, that's it for now and on my next char that I do standings I'll be sure to document everything so we can get some up to date screenshots and info. I plan on having a guy in every hub then after that I imagine I'll do a lil repairing on my combat char lol. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51983
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Posted - 2015.09.21 11:25:09 -
[381] - Quote
Wow, that's excellent standing increase.
Good to hear 'The Plan' is helping. Thanks for posting the update.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2015.09.21 19:11:35 -
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Well, another update from me.
Generally I've skipped some stuff in the The Plan, but generally got basic idea here (some data centers in start, some Cosmos missions, then stopped doing regular storylines and just hit the epic arcs).
3 years later
My main (connections 4) Amarr Empire8.53 (8.25) Minmatar Republic7.81 (7.40) Caldari State 7.79 (7.33) Gallente Federation7.74 (7.31)
My alt (connections 3) Amarr Empire8.89 (8.74) Caldari State 8.87 (8.72) Minmatar Republic7.24 (6.87) Gallente Federation6.85 (6.42)
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51984
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Posted - 2015.09.21 21:30:55 -
[383] - Quote
Sentenced 1989,
That's excellent. Training Connections level 5 won't take very long at all to raise those standings even more.
Looks like I'm gonna have to run some more Epic Arcs before I get left behind.
Thanks for posting.
DMC
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
26
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Posted - 2015.10.03 02:28:35 -
[384] - Quote
Sorry - I didn't have a chance to go through this whole thread, but I wanted to double-check that the info in the link is up-to-date as of Oct-2015? I'm really looking forward to going through The Plan, but wanted to make sure it's been updated as the game has evolved, while old / confusing information is also actively removed. And thanks for the work putting it together! |
DingieSan
Fail Force 5 Corrosive.
5
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Veli ANDAC wrote:Dear DeMichael Crimson, Firstly thank you that you made a great topic. I am an Amarr Militia member at this moment, and my Gallente standing is -5,59 (with lvl4 diplomacy skill). I want to switch Gallente Militia in a short time period, in this situation what is your suggestion to repair Gallente standing? Do I need to drop militia first? Thanks for your helping.
You can solve that problem by doing Gallente distribution missions. That means boring missions to transport small stuff between stations. A fast destroyer would be enough (relating to cargo hold requirements) for the level 1 missions to ease on the time it takes for jumping gates. After every 16 or so regular missions a special mission will be offered that will give a lot of standing. Basically it boils down to getting those special missions while the other ones are quite insignificant. In my case I had -5.64 standing with Amarr including level 4 diplomacy. After doing one special (distribution) level 1 mission it changed to -5.55 :-) Still have to work my way to above -5.00 in order to fly safely in space pockets to do more exciting security missions.
Have fun :-) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52086
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Posted - 2015.10.03 22:50:26 -
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The Larold wrote:Sorry - I didn't have a chance to go through this whole thread, but I wanted to double-check that the info in the link is up-to-date as of Oct-2015? I'm really looking forward to going through The Plan, but wanted to make sure it's been updated as the game has evolved, while old / confusing information is also actively removed. And thanks for the work putting it together! As far as I know, there hasn't been any major changes done to the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'. However every once in a while they do develop some bugs whenever new game patches are added.
As for the guide links, they're updated and as current as can be considering those are from outside sources. If there's an issue or some incorrect info listed in 'The Plan', please let me know and I'll fix it asap.
DMC
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 23:35:15 -
[387] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:The Larold wrote:Sorry - I didn't have a chance to go through this whole thread, but I wanted to double-check that the info in the link is up-to-date as of Oct-2015? I'm really looking forward to going through The Plan, but wanted to make sure it's been updated as the game has evolved, while old / confusing information is also actively removed. And thanks for the work putting it together! As far as I know, there hasn't been any major changes done to the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'. However every once in a while they do develop some bugs whenever new game patches are added. As for the guide links, they're updated and as current as can be considering those are from outside sources. If there's an issue or some incorrect info listed in 'The Plan', please let me know and I'll fix it asap. DMC
Awesome. Sometime in the next couple of weeks I'm going to try to follow it to the letter, and if there's any areas of confusion, I'll let you know. I love awesome docs. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52086
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Posted - 2015.10.04 13:53:22 -
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Great, you shouldn't have any problems and if so, I'll help as best as I can.
Also please keep us updated on your progress while working 'The Plan'..
DMC
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Cathmorr
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:55:57 -
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So your still only able to do this once in a characters life time? Currently i hit my standings hard with amarr being in the minmatar faction warfare. But honestly i like to hop between the two or having options because atm i don't have a corp and don't really know in what space i will be flying in 3 months or even a half a year from now. This just seems so tedious and will be worse later on if i decide to waste it this time around with a standing. Am i missing something? does CCP plan on changing something in this area? i enjoy making the decision important but idk making it an one in a life time kind of thing seems a little harsh to me. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52881
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:57:24 -
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Yes, almost all of the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' can only be completed once in the characters lifetime. Currently the only exception are the Epic Arc's which can be completed every 90 days. Epic Arc's can always be accessed as long as the Faction remains above -2.00 standing along with +5.00 or higher Corporation standing.
Currently there's no definite plans that I know of that's being worked on pertaining to Standings. Course CCP likes to do things without giving any prior notice. I'm sure they have lot's of changes planned for this game which includes Agents, Missions and Standings. However most of their plans are nothing more than a 'Wish List', a nice dream that rarely ever comes true. The plans that do get worked on usually takes a long time to be put into action.
As for 'The Plan' being tedious, most players spend years creating negative standings so of course it'll take some time to repair those standings. 'The Plan' has proven itself time and time again to be the easiest and quickest way to not only repair negative Faction standings but also boost positive Faction standings as well.
Yes it's a big decision to get positive standings with all Empire Factions, definitely not something to take lightly. So if you're not sure about it and feel more comfortable playing 'Hopscotch' with Factional Warfare, then it's probably best to just continue doing that.
Thanks for posting and good luck to you, whatever you decide to do.
DMC
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2016.01.07 22:49:04 -
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Whew! Finished all of the career agents. Mind-numbing indeed! I would like to add some valuable advice that hopefully you might consider adding as side-notes to your guide?
[Part 1] The Larold's tips for running Career Agents while working The Plan
1. -- Time Investment is Large --
Allow for a lot of time. Possibly weeks.
You will be completing 540 career agent missions in total. (12 stations * 45 missions at each station). Even if every mission was simply undock -> fly somewhere in system -> click something -> re-dock -> turn in mission, you are talking 2-3 minutes * 540. This is 17-27 hours of playing time MINIMUM.
In reality, it's more like 36-40 hours, if you account for industry jobs, traveling to the next agent, multi-system-hop missions, interruptions, and managing all of the items you build up along the way.
Depending on how long you are able to play in one session, I recommend working in increments of either 35 minutes (if you are busy like me), or 3 hours if you have a chunk of spare time.
30-35 minutes is enough time to complete any given agent. (For the Industry and Business agents, this should be enough time to get their final mission started; the rest is just waiting.)
3 hours (2+ of which must be uninterrupted by real-life) is enough time to complete all 5 Career Agents at a given station, if you do them in the proper order. (More on this below.)
2. -- Do the five agents in a specific order --
For any given station, here is the order I strongly recommend:
Business -> Industry -> Exploration -> Military -> Advanced Military
Always do the Business agent first and Industry second if your goal is to get through this tedious process as quickly as possible. The reason is that for all Business and Industry agents, the final mission (10 of 10) requires you to undergo a long production job. (The final Business mission will be roughly 3 hours, the final Industry mission roughly 1 hour.)
While you are running the Industry missions, you will run into 2-3 missions that require you to start and wait for a 3-6 minute production job. These gaps are the perfect opportunity to get a jump start on the Exploration missions.
Once you have the mission 10 jobs underway for Business and Industry, you can complete any unfinished Exploration missions, then move onto Military and finally Advanced Military. If you have done all of this in one sitting without interruption, you may still have 1+ hour to wait on your Business job. At that point you kind of just wait around.
3. -- Buy and keep a combat frigate you know well when a specific ship isn't required --
You will want a combat frigate you know well to keep on you for the duration of running this phase of The Plan. They are essential for killing all of the tiny NPCs, and they travel quickly with sufficient cargo space for all of the 3 to 6-hop courier missions you'll be running. They also help for fast travel when the time comes for you to pack up from one career station and move to the next.
Personally, I bought a kestrel and fitted it with 4 meta missile launchers and a nice AB. I don't recommend you wait until you are at a career station to buy a frigate; the one you want may not be available, or may be hideously expensive. I picked up my kestrel in Jita and brought it with me to all 12 career stations.
4. -- 6 million ISK for free! Don't pass up the chance! --
I discovered a great little insurance trick you can use to make a total of roughly 6 million isk for free.
During the Advanced Military agent, there are two missions you will be sent on that require you to lose your ship. The ships are given to you as part of the mission.
Always buy the most expensive insurance option for these ships before you undock!
Since we know with absolutely certainty these ships are going to get destroyed, we want to maximize our profit. The platinum insurance option is the one that will yield the most raw ISK profit. In general, I was making about 150k profit on the ship loses in mission 2, and another 350k on the ship loss in mission 5.
5. -- Auto-pilot will slow you down --
Running the Career agents got so boring I couldn't stand it. I started putting on auto-pilot for the courier and 3-system hop combat missions, then alt-tabbing out to wikipedia. Try not to do this if your goal is speed.
6. -- Keeping your inventory clean --
After running all 5 agents at a career station, you will have accrued a significant amount of junk, including 5-6 ships and a whole bunch of small items. Unless you want a bunch of stations cluttering up your 'Personal Assets' view, you'll want to handle all of this clutter. As a whole, it's worth a decent sum of money. Here's a fast way to de-clutter your inventory while cashing in on most of the overall value. Believe me, after 6-7 career stations, you'll be looking for a procedure like this!
- Repackage all ships and reprocess them (If you like, sell the ones worth more than the reprocessing value. This is rare.)
- For skillbooks and cheap implants, sell or trash them. Or, move them into your frigate's cargo
- Glance through your station items, move anything useful you want to keep into your frigate's cargo
- Sell the minerals currently there
- Shift-select EVERYTHING in your station items list and reprocess them in bulk
- Trash the few items that can't be reprocessed.
Your goal, if you're like me, is that when you undock to leave for the last time, you want there to be no entry for this station in your Personal Assets window. |
The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2016.01.07 22:51:15 -
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[Part 2]
7. -- Don't accept Advanced Military mission 2 until you've renamed your rewarded frigates --
Be a little careful. Advanced Military: Mission 2 is where you are given a specific frigate armed with hidden explosives. You MUST use this exact ship to complete the mission. The problem is that it is likely you will already have a frigate of the same type in your inventory. If you accept the mission, the frigate will be placed into your inventory and stacked;you will have no way to know which is which. If you try to fly the mission with the wrong frigate, it won't let you approach the target and you will waste time.
What I do instead is, right before accepting the mission, I look to see what kind of frigate I will get. I then look in my ship hangar, and assemble / rename the 1-2 ships of that type. (I call them something like 'temp1' and 'temp2'. NOW, you can accept the mission, and the frigate you need to use will be easily identified. (It's the only frigate of that type you didn't rename.)
8. -- Use the exact items you are given --
There are a few missions where you need to use the exact item you are given, not an equivalent purchased from the market or that you brought with you. If you try to do these missions without the necessary item, you will either not get credit for having done them, or you will simply be prevented from approaching the target you need to use them on. (It will appear as if you ship is bouncing off of a giant invisible bubble.)
9. -- Pace yourself --
Running career agents was novel for the first couple of stations, but it got reallll boring by the 7th or 8th one. Break it up. Pace yourself. It's honestly hard to have fun with these by the time you're done. |
The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2016.01.09 22:29:14 -
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Couple of quick questions.
I started doing Level 1 Data Center missions for Gallente, including turning in tags for the level 1 agents. While the faction standing gain is nice, for each agent, the drop in enemy faction standings is almost equivalent. (Dropped 0.11 for Caldari as I gained 0.13 for Gallente.) While this is a net 0.02 faction win - are the Data Centers worth the time and expense hassle if my goal is to raise all 4 faction standings as much as possible?
Next question - assuming I continue through the Data Center missions, can we deviate slightly from the order mentioned in the Plan? The Plan says that for a faction, one should do Level 1 data centers and then level 1 cosmos, then back to level 2 data center, etc. Is there anything stopping me from trying to save a lot of flying around, and just turning in 20 of each kind of tag for all agents levels 1 through 4 at a given data center?
Thanks! Loving the plan! |
Cai Shen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.01.31 23:28:09 -
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Hey DeMichael I saw a page or 2 ago in this that you were looking for screen shots on some cosmos, I plan on working the plan and documenting standings increases for gallente I see turgon did a lot of it but is there any screen shots or any missions that you need any additional info on?
I'm in the first set of career agents so it will be awhile but figured I would ask before I pass something you need. |
Cai Shen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.02.03 20:22:01 -
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hmm I see he hasnt posted for awhile, hopefully hes still around |
Miss Negotiatrix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.02.06 04:37:28 -
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has anybody done the minmatar cosmos recently?
I'm curious on the spawn time of one of the NPCs |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53335
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Posted - 2016.02.10 04:35:25 -
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Hello Capsuleers,
Sorry for my absence, I was 'Lost In Space' for a while but luckily communication with Mission Control allowed me to find my way back.
As for following 'The Plan', the steps laid out in it are merely guidelines which can be customized to fit each capsuleers situation. In other words, if you wanna just do all of the Data Center Agents then by all means do it. I don't know if you'll be able to gain sufficient standing from each Data Center Agent to access the next Agent in line.
If so, please post that info here.
Just a word of advice though, the low level agents (Career, Circle, Data Center, Cosmos) all give a small amount of Faction Standing increase. If you have low standings with their Faction they actually give you a rather large increase. If you decide to do them later and don't do them first as advised in 'The Plan', their standing increase will seem like a waste of time.
Now about asking for screen shots, I don't actually recall doing that. Maybe it was for the Cosmos Agents Mission Briefing. Guess I'll have to re-read the thread.
Hope that helps and thanks to all for posting.
DMC
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Cai Shen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.02.10 04:51:55 -
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lol its entirely possible I was drunk and just thought you were looking for some lol
I did do a few of the cosmos the german site shows as no gains or just didnt know anything about it
when all is said and done I'll write something up on them
I have a min standing of 6.44 and a gal of 5.61
thats after minny career, data, circle, and 12 cosmos agents
I even figured out how the standings mechanics work which can only help me write stuff up.... well I can understand for the main, I understand the formulas and theory behind the derived but the actual rewards I get dont match up with what my spreadsheet said I should of gotten.
and I even use the % reward from the transactions when clicking on the gal standings in your portrait thing. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53335
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:09:34 -
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Cai Shen,
Thanks for the reply. Obviously all of the Guides currently available for Cosmos are old and need to be updated with current info, especially since some of the missions have been changed by CCP over the past few years.
If anyone is currently working on documenting and creating a new Cosmos Guide, when completed it would be an immense help for all Capsuleers to present it as a guide link here in 'The Plan'.
DMC
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Cai Shen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:33:50 -
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I am working on a better guide, I have a ways to go still but I plan on making a website that has a guide on it
when I finally finish I'll be sure to put a link here. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53335
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:48:02 -
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Cai Shen,
That's excellent news. I look forward to seeing it when it's completed.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
192
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Posted - 2016.02.13 12:27:09 -
[402] - Quote
Since my domain is still down and new website still hasn't been finished, you can use source json file for all information about epic arcs
Epic Arcs Source JSON
The Incursion Guild
Epic Arc Guide
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53335
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Posted - 2016.02.13 12:33:54 -
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Sentenced 1989,
Thanks for the info and posting the link.
DMC
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Cai Shen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:50:17 -
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Im still in the process of screenshotting and recording standings increased as I progress through the minny cosmos.
I noticed a post awhile ago of someone trying to figure out derived standings mechanics and I find myself in a similar conundrum.
I was looking at the chart for derived standings at http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml and I understand the top relationship chart since that shows the max that 1 empire can bring another, for instance in my case minny can bring gal to a max of 8.
But what is the deal with the inter-faction standings modifier? Does that go into the math on figuring out the change in the derived standings?
Also let me just say the missions in audesder are no frigging joke lol, being low sec I needed to use a cloaky ship or bring in protection but you almost need a bs just to break a few of the npcs tanks lol. |
Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2016.02.25 10:58:08 -
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That is not how it works afaik, it only means that minnie and gallente like each other, so assuming you have 10.0 with minnie and 8.5 with gallente, you could still increase gallente by running minnie missions
The Incursion Guild
Epic Arc Guide
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Cai Shen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.02.26 02:31:06 -
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Holy Crap... I finished the last Ison mission in the cosmos missions....
Just a tip to anyone who tries them, do NOT assume your tengu can tank it cause you have a massive tank lol
I have a blingy fit tengu I ran out there with, not as much dps as I usually have cause I did cloaky for all but the biggest ships, I had a mobile depot with me and stayed cloaky more than not cause lots of ppl were pulling out the probes so I was paranoid.
But anyway, that didnt mess with my tank I was running with a Pith A type Large as well as a pith a type amp and similar adaptive fields... II also have a set of HG crystals + Omega...
On warp in I had a warp scrambler on me in seconds as well as webs, i figured no biggy, so I set up my orbit etc and before I finished targetting my first npc I was at 1/2 shield.
SO I go to oh **** mode, luckily I targetted the warp scrambler first so I overheated shield booster, Overheated all the guns and I hit approach the sun... I killed the npc and warped out at 5% structure.
So I can not overstate this... do not depend on your tank lol.
My next run I threw this char into an inty, and while I did lose it once, my 2nd attempt worked. Warp into the room and burn like hell, I then waited till I dragged the ewar guys well out of the warp in point and brought in my tengu.
the difference between where I dragged them and the warp in was enough that I was able to get my tengu up to speed, and kill the ewar fkers before they could get to me. After they were gone it was easy since I was at a decent speed and my tank could easily handle t hat.
so just be careful on that mission lol.
tl;dr: That mission is rough.
My standings since doing only the minny cosmos... I did not hand in the low sec turnin for the gal mission.
minny standing: 8.42 unmodified. and gal standing is 7.7
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53439
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Posted - 2016.02.26 05:59:05 -
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Cai Shen,
Gratz on completing the Minmatar Cosmos Agents. Good info about the low sec Agent missions, definitely is a tough one.
Thanks for sharing and much success on your next venture.
DMC
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Xiaou Bijoun
Fly By Knight Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 23:39:00 -
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So, I just found out about 'the plan' and need to repair my Gallente standing so I can resume hauling safely in their space. Unfortunately they removed Evelopedia on the 29th of February and I cannot access the link. Is it stored somewhere else? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53488
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:18:17 -
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Xiaou Bijoun wrote:So, I just found out about 'the plan' and need to repair my Gallente standing so I can resume hauling safely in their space. Unfortunately they removed Evelopedia on the 29th of February and I cannot access the link. Is it stored somewhere else?
WTH ?
CCP has gotta be out of their frackin' minds to discontinue Evelopedia. And on top of that they announce it only 4 days prior to removing it. CCP should have gave a one month advance notice. Granted it wasn't the best but it did contain a lot of valuable info guides.
Anyway, I jumped into the Wayback Machine and pulled up a copy of 'The Plan. The link is in the original post of this thread. Hopefully it works for you.
DMC
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Z'ar Drakken
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.31 23:44:04 -
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Hello and thanks for the "Plan" As english is not my first language please forgive me for any errors in my spelling.
My Current Standing with the
Minmatar Republic is -8.35(Want to Fix)
Gallente Federation is -9.25(Want to Fix)
I Want to fix these so i can Enter and Exit there space without the Faction police shooting me. I plan on living in and around the Rens Area.
What do you recommend? I have Skill injectors ready for Diplomacy 5
pls and thank you!
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53920
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Posted - 2016.04.01 01:50:22 -
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Z'ar Drakken,
Thanks for posting. Having -8.35 with Minmatar and -9.25 with Gallente is pretty bad but it can be fixed. Course doing that will lower your Amarr and Caldari standing which I imagine is fairly high. Don't despair, you can still have positive standing with all 4 main Factions. It's just gonna take some time to get the standings up.
First thing to do is definitely train Diplomacy Lv 5 and then train Social Lv 5 next followed with Connections. While those are training, you're gonna have to grind some Lv 1 missions for a Minmatar corp located in Amarr or Caldari space to get Storyline missions. When your Minmatar Faction standing get's above -5.00 standing (-4.99 or higher), you can then safely enter Minmater space if that's all you want. To safely enter Gallente space as well you'll have to work the Minmatar Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'.
Basically you'll work the Minmatar Career Agents, then their Circle Agents, followed by their Data Center Agents. If needed you can also work their Cosmos Agents. While doing that, keep watch on Gallente Faction standing and when it get's above -5.00 standing (-4.99 or higher), you can then start working their Event Agents too. Also don't forget about the Lv 1 SoE Epic Arc.
To fast track gaining positive standing, when you're finally able to safely enter Minmatar space, just work the Data Center Agents. It takes a long time to gather the requested Tags so you'll have to spend ISK to get the Tags.
Remember, be prepared and have the necessary items first before contacting the Event Agents.
Hope this helps and good luck to you.
DMC
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Z'ar Drakken
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.04.01 03:30:10 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Z'ar Drakken,
Thanks for posting. Having -8.35 with Minmatar and -9.25 with Gallente is pretty bad but it can be fixed. Course doing that will lower your Amarr and Caldari standing which I imagine is fairly high. Don't despair, you can still have positive standing with all 4 main Factions. It's just gonna take some time to get the standings up.
First thing to do is definitely train Diplomacy Lv 5 and then train Social Lv 5 next followed with Connections. While those are training, you're gonna have to grind some Lv 1 missions for a Minmatar corp located in Amarr or Caldari space to get Storyline missions. When your Minmatar Faction standing get's above -5.00 standing (-4.99 or higher), you can then safely enter Minmater space and work the Minmatar Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'.
Basically you'll work the Minmatar Career Agents, then their Circle Agents, followed by their Data Center Agents. If needed you can also work their Cosmos Agents. While doing that, keep watch on Gallente Faction standing and when it get's above -5.00 standing (-4.99 or higher), you can then start working the Gallente Event Agents too. Also don't forget about the Lv 1 SoE Epic Arc.
To fast track gaining positive standing, when you're finally able to safely enter Minmatar space, just work the Data Center Agents. It takes a long time to find the requested amount of Tags so just buy the Tags from the Market.
Remember, be prepared and have the necessary items first before contacting the Event Agents.
Hope this helps and good luck to you.
DMC thank you. Actually now that I see my standings my Angel Cartel and The Syndicate seem to be the only ones high(5.00+) Caldari state is +0.03 and well Amarr is -0.86 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53923
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Posted - 2016.04.01 05:02:22 -
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Ok, so basically you want access to all 4 main Factions space.
Just do what I already posted - train up Diplomacy, Social and Connection skills while grinding Lv 1 missions (Distribution missions can be completed very quickly) for Storyline offers with Minmatar corp located in Amarr space - raise Minmatar Faction standing above -5.00 for access to their space and then start working their Lv 1 Event Agents.
However while doing that keep an eye on Amarr Faction standing and don't let it get to -5.00 or lower. When Minmatar and Amarr Faction standing become or are close to being equal (both will probably still have negative standing), start bouncing back and forth between them.
In other words, complete an Event Agent for Minmatar and then complete an Event Agent for Amarr, then back to Minmatar, and so forth. You want to bring them both up pretty much at the same time.
After working Minmatar and Amarr Lv 1 Event Agents, you should be able to access Gallente and Caldari Lv 1 Event Agents. Do the same thing with them, bounce back and forth between them, bringing both of those Factions up together. Then do the same with Lv 2 Event Agents (Minmatar & Amarr / Gallente & Caldari), then Lv 3, then Lv 4 or until you get the Faction standings up to where you want them to be.
If you have plenty of ISK, by the time you complete all of the Data Center Agents, all 4 Factions should have good positive standings. I doubt you'll need to access any Cosmos Agents.
While working the Data Center Agents, you might get stuck and not have enough Faction standing to access the next level Agent, if so just grind some Distribution missions with that Agents Corp for some Storyline offers.
Please keep us updated on your progress and good luck to you.
DMC
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Z'ar Drakken
Death By Design Did he say Jump
2
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Posted - 2016.04.07 21:49:14 -
[414] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ok, so basically you want access to all 4 main Factions space.
Just do what I already posted - train up Diplomacy, Social and Connection skills while grinding Lv 1 missions (Distribution missions can be completed very quickly) for Storyline offers with Minmatar corp located in Amarr or Caldari space - raise Minmatar Faction standing above -5.00 for access to their space and then start working their Lv 1 Event Agents.
However while doing that keep an eye on Amarr Faction standing and don't let it get to -5.00 or lower. When Minmatar and Amarr Faction standing become or are close to being equal (both will probably still have negative standing), start bouncing back and forth between them.
In other words, complete an Event Agent for Minmatar and then complete an Event Agent for Amarr, then back to Minmatar, and so forth. You want to bring them both up pretty much at the same time.
After working Minmatar and Amarr Lv 1 Event Agents, you should be able to access Gallente and Caldari Lv 1 Event Agents. Do the same thing with them, bounce back and forth between them, bringing both of those Factions up together. Then do the same with Lv 2 Event Agents (Minmatar & Amarr / Gallente & Caldari), then Lv 3, then Lv 4 or until you get the Faction standings up to where you want them to be.
If you have plenty of ISK, by the time you complete all of the Data Center Agents, all 4 Factions should have good positive standings. I doubt you'll need to access any Cosmos Agents.
While working the Data Center Agents, you might get stuck and not have enough Faction standing to access the next level Agent, if so just grind some Distribution missions with that Agents Corp for some Storyline offers.
Please keep us updated on your progress and good luck to you.
DMC Thanks I've injected Diplomacy 5 and connection 5 social 5 etc.. and worked on level ones and career agents and data center agents thanks! Also what can cause standing to decrease (i know missioning/FW/Killing NPC) but what other activities can lower the standing? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53948
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Posted - 2016.04.08 00:21:04 -
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Z'ar Drakken wrote: Thanks I've injected Diplomacy 5 and connection 5 social 5 etc.. and worked on level ones and career agents and data center agents thanks! Also what can cause standing to decrease (i know missioning/FW/Killing NPC) but what other activities can lower the standing?
As for losing standing, other than what you already mentioned attacking and destroying structures owned by NPC's will also cause you to lose standing.
Anyway, sounds like you got it handled. Hope you have good luck and much success.
DMC
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
9551
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Posted - 2016.04.28 14:46:48 -
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Countless capsuleers saved from the punishing NPC militias, myself included. Hip Hip Hooray! for the plan and its creator. \o/
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54292
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Posted - 2016.04.30 08:04:43 -
[417] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:Countless capsuleers saved from the punishing NPC militias, myself included. Hip Hip Hooray! for the plan and its creator. \o/
Nana Skalski,
Thank you very much for posting. I'm glad to know 'The Plan' has helped you and countless other capsuleers.
Hopefully it will endure and continue to help others in the future.
DMC
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Aurelius Oshidashi
Immortal Lunatics Ministry of Agressive Destruction
9
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Posted - 2016.06.09 19:27:32 -
[418] - Quote
Thanks so much for making The Plan. I'm going to start working on it this weekend. While glancing over this topic, you got me much impressed with your dedicated help to everyone for over a period of years. Hail to you DeMichael Crimson!
Just to let you know, the link to the plan in your initial post leads to a blank page, but thankfully the link posted in your comment from March does work. However, folks might miss that, so you maybe want to update your initial post. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55393
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Posted - 2016.06.12 03:46:20 -
[419] - Quote
Aurelius Oshidashi,
Thanks for the compliment. I hope you have much success and good luck working 'The Plan'.
As for the link in the original post of this thread not working, I checked it and it still leads to the Evelopedia page via The Wayback Machine. Maybe you had a glitch while trying to access it.
Anyway, thanks for posting and again, good luck to you.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2016.06.24 08:50:24 -
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So, after getting the initial info about epic arc from the plan, doing some parts of it, I've managed to get all 4 major factions over 8.00
Current state (without connections skills applied)
Amarr Empire8.74 Caldari State8.08 Minmatar Republic8.01 Gallente Federation7.94
Gallente will cross 8.00 in few hours.
DMC, thx for the idea, even though it took over 4 years to reach this state.
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Epic Arc Guide
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55568
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Posted - 2016.06.24 10:07:44 -
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Sentenced 1989,
That's excellent news. I'm sure your standings is much better with Connections level 5 which is what the Factions, Corporations and Agents look at for access.
Gratz on a job well done.
DMC
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2016.06.26 09:57:11 -
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Finished few more, here is prt src. from ingame
http://i.imgur.com/hKHOHYc.png
Will have to do something about ammatar, but problem is that it takes quite a bit of hits on high standings.
Btw, as side note, not sure if it happens in missions, but in epic arc if you share the last reward, it shares faction standings as well. I shared Right to rule, and both my toons got 6.25% Amarr standings increase, the 2nd toon did not share and got normal 12.5%.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55568
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Posted - 2016.06.26 11:38:31 -
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Great standings work. Thanks for the update.
In no time at all you'll be over +9.00 standing with the 4 main Empire Factions.
I wouldn't worry about Ammatar standing as long as it remains positive.
DMC
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
587
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Posted - 2016.12.02 01:00:51 -
[424] - Quote
Unlocked at posters request.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.02 01:09:05 -
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ISD Max Trix,
Thank you very much. I was mistaken and thought threads that were sticky didn't get locked. I guess after a set amount of time all threads, regardless if they are sticky or not, get locked. In the future I'll do my best to keep this updated and hopefully not bother you guys. I know you're all very busy taking care of other stuff..
Thanks again,
DMC
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Akatosh Draconis
Cretus Incendium
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Posted - 2016.12.02 12:26:18 -
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So glad to see this thread's been unlock and is open for questions again! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.02 13:59:09 -
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Akatosh Draconis wrote:So glad to see this thread's been unlock and is open for questions again! Akatosh Draconis,
Thank you very much for the support and if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. May 'The Plan' help you as much as it's helped me.
DMC
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Taishoku Mayaki
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.12.02 14:46:04 -
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Been using this thread to help repair my faction standing with the Gurista's since we've recently moved into Venal.
Very helpful, didn't notice they locked it though! Good to see it won't vanish.
"Right-O, lets get undocked and see what falls off the ship"
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:12:31 -
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Taishoku Mayaki wrote:Been using this thread to help repair my faction standing with the Gurista's since we've recently moved into Venal.
Very helpful, didn't notice they locked it though! Good to see it won't vanish. Taishoku Mayaki,
Thank you very much for posting. It's great to hear 'The Plan' is helping you.
This thread was originally created for players to post questions and comments pertaining to the Faction Standing Repair Plan. Obviously I didn't keep track of it and it got locked. However thanks to ISD, the thread is active again and I will definitely make it a point to keep this thread active and updated.
Thanks again.
DMC
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Yadot
Tarfen Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.12.19 18:57:54 -
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Awesome topic ! Had some issues with derived negative standings disappearing and because of this post have solved the mystery. Who would have thought they were capped :)
Thanks DeMichael, it was a great help.
Fly Safe as Always, Yad
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.21 08:31:15 -
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Yadot,
Thank you for the kind words. It was a pleasure to help you obtain info regarding derived standings.
Wish you lot's of luck and much success with 'The Plan'.
DMC
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Agent Yelena
Ministerstvo na otbranata
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Posted - 2017.01.27 07:25:37 -
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Does anyone know if you lose the same standing percentage when you fail a special mission - for example if one would give you 5%, upon failing it would you lose the same percentage?
P.S. I know you actually lose more the higher your standing is, that's why I am asking about the percentage. Like, if you are at 9.99 standing and you lose 10% you'd actually lose 10% of 19.99 standing (-10 to 9.99), or 1.99 which is huge loss. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.29 07:20:18 -
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Agent Yelena wrote:Does anyone know if you lose the same standing percentage when you fail a special mission - for example if one would give you 5%, upon failing it would you lose the same percentage? That's a very good question. Probably why nobody has jumped in to answer it. I've been having some spotty Internet issues.
Anyway, sounds like you're talking about Cosmos Missions. I wanna say it's half of what was to be gained. I've never been in that situation so I can't really give a definite answer on the amount of loss. A Senior GM would know the answer.
The main thing is most Cosmos Missions can only be completed once in the life of the character for Faction Standing increase. Do not fail, quit, decline or let those mission offers expire. It could lock out access to other Agents.
Agent Yelena wrote:P.S. I know you actually lose more the higher your standing is, that's why I am asking about the percentage. Like, if you are at 9.99 standing and you lose 10% you'd actually lose 10% of 19.99 standing (-10 to 9.99), or 1.99 which is huge loss. Yeah, at +9.99 that would be a huge hit. Just have to do another run through the Epic Arcs.
If you follow up on your question with CCP and get an answer, please post it here so we can all be updated. Wish I could have been more helpful.
DMC
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Agent Yelena
Ministerstvo na otbranata
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Posted - 2017.01.29 20:18:23 -
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Yes, it was a COSMOS mission. For anyone doing them - be prepared for this outcome. Since you have to go through low sec many times there is always a chance of failing the mission. I have way to high standings - almost 9.90 and I could not afford to fail it so I just paid a lot of ISK for the mission item.
One more thing: always assume there is a cloaked heavy interdictor at the gate, so no matter how many warp core stabs you have, you'd be stopped. That's what happened to me. . My best advice is to check local and people's history on zkillboard if you really wanna pass with an expensive ship. Simply scouting ahead won't be enough. They have scouts on their own.
Also, bring an alt with a fast frigate - put the mission item in there, he will have much better chance on succeeding. I uncloaked my alt for almost a minute and they did not touch him, they knew the big fish was coming. If only I gave him the item... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Agent Yelena wrote:Yes, it was a COSMOS mission. For anyone doing them - be prepared for this outcome. Since you have to go through low sec many times there is always a chance of failing the mission. I have way to high standings - almost 9.90 and I could not afford to fail it so I just paid a lot of ISK for the mission item. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. At least you completed the mission and got the Faction standing increase. It sounds like the Caldari Cosmos. Specifically the almost always camped Ihakana system which is the only way in and out of Otomainen system.
When I ran Cosmos, I first researched the Agents mission series, then acquired the items on my own as best I could, either by the usual seek and destroy run of the Complexes or if needed, purchasing the item from Public Contracts. Then I'd collect everything and do one run to the Agent and quickly complete each mission in the series. That plan worked great most of the time, however every once in a while I'd have to complete a special Security or Distribution mission.
Agent Yelena wrote:One more thing: always assume there is a cloaked heavy interdictor at the gate, so no matter how many warp core stabs you have, you'd be stopped. That's what happened to me. . My best advice is to check local and people's history on zkillboard if you really wanna pass with an expensive ship. Simply scouting ahead won't be enough. They have scouts on their own. Again, sorry to hear that and very good advice. I always used a Cloaked ship for running in or through Low Sec, mainly a T3 Cruiser. Usually I'd wait till just before Downtime or right after Cluster Startup to make my run. If I had to, I'd log out while in space at a Safe Spot. For Otomainen system, I researched all of the Agents there, collected up all of the items I could, then loaded them up in a Giant Secure Container and used a Blockade Runner to transport it to the system, made a deep safe spot, anchored it and went back for my T3 Cruiser.
I actually used my Blockade Runner to complete the last Empire Agent located in that system, an Amarr Cosmos Agent - Akemon Tolan who's trapped in the Prison (3rd) Stage of the Guristas Complex. I already had all of his required items and I thought it would be a cake walk to just cruise in cloaked, complete each mission and then warp out. I warped into the 1st stage cloaked, made my way to the 2nd stage gate without being decloaked by the NPC's, warped cloaked into the 2nd stage, did the same thing and made my way to the 3rd stage gate which wouldn't let me access it.
Not good, all NPC's had to be destroyed to unlock the gate. While I was sitting there cloaked deciding on what course of action I should take, 2 player ships came into the room and immediately started destroying the NPC's, I watched the show and when they accessed the gate to the 3rd stage, I followed them in cloaked and watched them destroy all the NPC's there as well. Talk about perfect timing, all I needed was access to the Agent. After the were done and warped out, I thanked them in Local for helping me to complete the Agents mission series. After explaining the situation to them, they commended me on trying a different approach and making it work.
Agent Yelena wrote: Also, bring an alt with a fast frigate - put the mission item in there, he will have much better chance on succeeding. I uncloaked my alt for almost a minute and they did not touch him, they knew the big fish was coming. If only I gave him the item... Yeah, usually good advice. I think most campers are looking to pad their KillBoard count so they'll definitely wait for the ship following the scout. Personally I think if there was 3 or 4 players in a fleet running Cosmos, the campers wouldn't even bother with them, too much trouble when they can just wait a bit and jump on a lone ship.
In fact, the only scouting I did was with Starmap stats, never had an Alt scout. I did enlist a few friends to help out on some of the tougher missions and I did lose a couple of ships in the process of completing all of the Empire Cosmos Agents. My main reason for doing Cosmos was for the standings to prove that 'The Plan' would work. The 2nd reason was to acquire all of the Cosmos BPC's and last but not least, I enjoyed the story plots of each Empires Cosmos Constellation.
Anyway, I'm glad you were successful despite the trouble encountered. Hopefully you'll find some useful info in my reply. Good luck and much success on accomplishing your goal of achieving +10.00 Faction Standing.
DMC
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Azazel Drakonis
Cretus Incendium
0
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Posted - 2017.02.22 07:46:23 -
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Thanks so much! This helped me out a ton! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.02.22 08:13:43 -
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Azazel Drakonis,
Thank you very much for posting.
It makes me very happy to know that after all these years 'The Plan' is still helping players.
Thanks again,
DMC
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Rigo Kajjar
Derelik Privateers
0
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Posted - 2017.03.17 12:05:37 -
[438] - Quote
Thank you very much. This has been very helpful. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
60110
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:54:56 -
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Rigo Kajjar,
I'm glad to hear 'The Plan' has been very helpful for you.
Thank you very much for posting.
DMC
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agharaster
Hoplite Brigade Ushra'Khan
30
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Posted - 2017.04.30 16:16:40 -
[440] - Quote
+1 for the guide, thanks.
is there an in-game channel to hire mission runners and get a standing boost with certain npc corporations?
thanks |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62117
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Posted - 2017.04.30 17:39:20 -
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agharaster,
Thanks for the +1.
I don't know if there's an in-game channel to hire mission runners for NPC Corp Standing boost. In my opinion standings are pretty easy to gain so I don't think a Standings Service channel would get a lot of action.
However there were a few players who use to sell Standings Service in the sub-forum 'Sell Orders'. I looked through a few pages, 12 to be exact, and happened to find this ad.
Good luck to you and thanks for posting.
DMC
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Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
81
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Posted - 2017.05.02 08:39:27 -
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I have almost -9 standing with Gallente
Don't care for positive standing, just want to pass through gal space without NPC-s chasing me.
Is lvl1 mission grind the only way to reach -4.99 standing? Approximately, how many missions do I have to grind? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62118
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Posted - 2017.05.02 10:56:45 -
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Hello Tub Chil,
First and foremost if you haven't done so already, train up the Diplomacy skill to level 5. That skill will raise your Gallente Faction up close to -5.00 standing. To receive maximum standing gains so you can quickly raise Gallente Faction above -5.00 standing, I suggest training Social skill up to level 5 as well.
Since you remarked about your Gallente Faction standing being so low, presumably your Minmatar Faction standing is higher than Gallente. After training up level 5 Diplomacy, hopefully your Minmatar Faction will be above -5.00 standing.
If so, complete missions for the 3 Minmatar Data Center 'Graduation Certificate' Agents. After completing the 3rd 'Cert' mission, take one of the certs to the Agent listed on the certificate. That Agent will offer a 5 part Storyline mission that introduces another Event Agent offering a 2 part Storyline mission.
After completing those missions, hopefully your Gallente Faction will be above -5.00 standing. If so, then go complete missions for the 3 Gallente Data Center 'Graduation Certificate' Agents as well as the Agent whose name is listed on the 'Cert'.
With Diplomacy skill and Social skill trained up to level 5, your Gallente Faction should be well above -5.00 standing after completing the missions listed above.
If Minmatar Faction isn't above -5.00 standing after training up level 5 Diplomacy skill, then you'll have to find Minmatar Agents in Caldari or Amarr space and do a little bit of grinding for Minmatar level 1 Agents to get a Storyline mission offer. When Minmatar Faction gets above -5.00 standing, you can then travel to Minmatar space and start working the Data Center Agents.
If your Gallente Faction isn't above -5.00 standing after completing the Minmatar Data Center 'Graduation Certificate' Agents, then complete some of the Minmatar Data Center 'Tag' Agents until Gallente Faction is above -5.00 standing, then go complete the Gallente Data Center 'Cert' Agents.
After following the steps I listed above, both Gallente and Minmatar Factions should be above -5.00 standing. If you're uncertain about anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
May you have good luck and much success.
DMC
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Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
82
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Posted - 2017.05.02 13:52:41 -
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Thanks for detailed answer
My Minmatar standing is better than -5, so I'm going to try that |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62126
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Posted - 2017.05.02 14:15:48 -
[445] - Quote
Tub Chil wrote:Thanks for detailed answer
My Minmatar standing is better than -5, so I'm going to try that Tub Chil,
Make sure you train up Diplomacy skill and Social skill first. Diplomacy will raise you current negative standings thus making Gallente Faction closer to -5.00 standing. Social will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions which will make it quicker to get Gallente Faction above -5.00 standing.
After training up those two skills, then work the Minmatar Data Center 'Cert' Agents and if needed, the Data Center 'Tag' Agents until Gallente Faction gets raised above -5.00 standing, then you'll be able to enter Gallente space and work their Data Center 'Cert' Agents. After completing those Agents, you'll have created some standing buffer which gives you some breathing room.
All of the Agents listed in 'The Plan' give Faction Standing increase. Some of them can only be completed once in the life of the character. That's why it's important to train up those skills first before working those Event Agents.
Good luck to you.
DMC
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62745
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Posted - 2017.07.03 15:25:06 -
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Well Capsuleers,
The new forums have been activated and these forums will be closed very soon. As such I've created a 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' thread in the new forums and will add this link for it in the OP of this thread.
https://meta.eveonline.com/t/faction-standing-repair-plan-aka-the-plan/8008
I sincerely hope 'The Plan' will be as helpful there as it was here.
Cya all on the other side.
o7
DMC
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