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GM Grimmi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:04:00 -
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Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and we’d like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
For those of you wishing to discuss this please use the two existing threads on the topic:
In CAOD: Kenzoku goes Super Saiyan, transforms into ~Band of Brothers Reloaded~
And if you cannot post there, there is also a thread in the Assembly Hall: [Proposal] Disband BOBR
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
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Lonak Silu
GeoCorp.
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lonak Silu on 24/03/2009 15:12:06
FIRST ! in a soon epic thread.
Ahhh always wanted to say it...I want to thank my mother, wife, dogs, etc...
Also...will yuo answer the questions asked in the assembly hall thread ?
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onymous
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:12:00 -
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 Originally by: GM Grimmi
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action.
I would like to hear your reasoning that "the situation warranted such action" and I'd like to hear some precedent too, since you're claiming it exists.
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Ginako
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:13:00 -
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*Puts on his Flame Resistant Suit... 
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Donatien de'Sade
Ars Notoria
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Donatien de''Sade on 24/03/2009 15:15:35
So, what is a reasonable timeframe? How old was KenZoku again?
Edit: can't spell 
In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move |
Cendaliaa
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:17:00 -
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Lol what an utter crap of favoritism, no other alliance have been accepted name changes and here you do, letting BoB keep their sov and change their name. pathetic ccp, very pathetic.
stain alliance?, black out was in the time frame and yet you didnt allow them... |
Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:18:00 -
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Start date: 2008.12.08 23:42
I accidentally the whole copout, if they started a new alliance after the old one was dissolved I could see this being legit. Instead they took a pet alliance that was already in existence and got it renamed.
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Montasque
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Donatien de'Sade
So, what is a reasonable timeframe? How old was ZenZoku again?
KenZoku the alliance had been around much longer than three months. They were either an alt alliance or a pet alliance, most likely the former.
Also, this response is pretty weak and vague for a topic that is being taken very seriously by most of the player base.
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Lyer
THE BLUE BEYOND
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:20:00 -
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If I could catch the goon tears about to flow in this thread I could end many a drought. 
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Vashan Tar
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:21:00 -
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I'm sorry, but this is total bull.
When their alliance was disbanded using in game mechanics they had the option of either reforming a new alliance (losing sov) or joining an existing one (kenzoku) and losing their name.
You have shown that kenny still have a third option, being get on the batphone and get the game changed to their liking.
I thought we had stopped this since the T20/aurora crap, sad to see this it not the case.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 24/03/2009 15:23:23
Grimmi,
due all respect, I think this could have been solved a bit nicer.
So tell me if I'm wrong, but here's what happened:
1. BOB was compromised and disbanded after they eliminated a built-in safeguard, in exchange for convenience.
2. They joined an alt-alliance in order to keep sov.
3. They then petition for their name back. CCP gets a second opinion from your friendly neighborhood friends.
4. Months later, you decide that there's basis for letting an alt-alliance, which suddenly became a main-alliance, change their name.
5. You try to justify it by saying that they have done it to other alliances too. However it's the case that alliances have only been given another chance, if they misspelled the name or the like.
I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly why it was warranted, that an re-utilized alt-alliance suddenly could get a renaming.
I could personally not care less if even goonswarm had their name changed. However the response of yours lacks a bit. You haven't justified a whole lot, which I had hoped for. It's also obvious that people weren't pleased with it.
I hope that you will address the issue further.
Originally by: Vashan Tar
When their alliance was disbanded using in game mechanics they had the option of either reforming a new alliance (losing sov) or joining an existing one (kenzoku) and losing their name.
Well, they lost all their space. But still. I agree with this.
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:23:00 -
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Put the pitchforks down folks, Franken already lost all his space.
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Montasque
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lyer
If I could catch the goon tears about to flow in this thread I could end many a drought.
Yeah, goons suck, I get it. Instead of trolling can you please add some constructive criticism one way or another?
I'd love to hear the argument for how this is NOT favoritism.
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ToTheCore
Angels.
Acid.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:24:00 -
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I find this answer unacceptable. What names have you changed previously? Stain Empire? Nope. Black Out? Nope. If they wanted their name changed they should have had to do the same thing those alliances had to: disband and reform.
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Montasque
for a topic that is being taken very seriously by most of the player base.
Can you define most? and post stats of your data collection on such wording. I'd like to view your numbers.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Khornne
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Khornne on 24/03/2009 15:26:23
Originally by: Vashan Tar
Standard Goon emorage
Nothing more to say. You should stop your little metagames, trolling and all this stuff, really makes you look stupid.
As there will be an answer like "And who are you?", I'm Khornne. Don't make yourself and your alliance look even more like a kid.
Edit: Goon tears are so sweet.
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Cendaliaa
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cheeba Don
Put the pitchforks down folks, Franken already lost all his space.
by allowing the name change ccp saved bob(kenzoku) from losing sov 3. |
Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Known on 24/03/2009 15:25:45
Mountains out of molehiles...just let them have their name and take it from them by force. 
Seriously, what's wrong with it? CCP can do whatever they wish since they own the game. If you don't like the change, can I have your stuff?
Anyway...sure, favoritism is noticed here, but who really cares about a name change. It's not like they got a full set of T3 BPOs or something.
Edit: Also, *puts on fire suit*
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Lyer
THE BLUE BEYOND
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Montasque
Originally by: Lyer
If I could catch the goon tears about to flow in this thread I could end many a drought.
Yeah, goons suck, I get it. Instead of trolling can you please add some constructive criticism one way or another?
I'd love to hear the argument for how this is NOT favoritism.
A request for constructive criticism from a goon. You're doing it wrong.
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:28:00 -
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I don't think CCP has a full appreciation of how dangerous a situation like this is to their game.
It is so ungodly frustrating to fight an entity in game that has developer support, its like your fighting the game itself. How long will we tolerate this ****??
Is it time for another open letter to CCP? no, its already gone past that point.
Frankly I find this **** too hard to stomach:
- spawning BPOS
- Handing out motherships
- Changing the titan memorial rules when molles titan died
- refunding titans after saying they never would
2 Titans in game died to "broken mechanics" 1 AZN and 1 D2 both pilots petitioned the loss but no exception was given. A good policy. The game has rules, they can change, but until then we live, fly, and die by them.
People care that its BOB you did it for, because you have a LONG history of doing them special favors, but it really doesnÆt matter that its BOB, most people recognize that. It matters that YOU broke the rules and gave someone special treatment. WhatÆs even more insulting is that you changed their name to Band of Brothers Reloaded, as though, by not giving them their original name back somehow it would be ok. How stupid do you think we are? What a disgusting insult.
This action is shameful beyond words CCP. Your failure to act last time and your continued, blatant cheating is a slap in the face to every person who plays the game.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known
Anyway...sure, favoritism is noticed here, but who really cares about a name change.
Yeah, what could it possibly lead to? Not like CCP would do anything *significant* to aid their favourite alliance, amirite?
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:29:00 -
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Is it seriously THAT big of a deal...?
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:29:00 -
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three words:
appearance of impropriety
thought you'd learned about this the last time there was a ccp/bob scandal but welp vOv
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:30:00 -
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Even though I don't think this is a big deal, CCP's reasoning needs to be laid out for us.
Grimmi, it feels like a lot is being left unsaid.
Like someone else posted, what is this precident you are referring to?
On these previous incidents, did the Alliance have Sov?
Was the Sov transferred if this was the case?
If not, why is this situation different?
This really smells like favoritism.
/ex-BoB
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Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sertan Deras on 24/03/2009 15:31:10
So, lets see here:
According to you, there is precedent for this. I think that we are due to hear what that precedent is. Since we can produce several examples of cases where you DID NOT do an alliance name change when requested, I think it's fair if you provided cases where you (supposedly) did.
Also, what is a timely manner? KenZoku existed as an alliance for quite some time before they decided to use it as a sov holding entity. In addition, I find it very strange it took you two months to decide this was a good idea.
Since these are supposedly the new rules of alliance name changing, I think we are owed a complete and descriptive explanation as to what those new rules are, and what precedent was in place to change those rules so abruptly.
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Cendaliaa
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known
Is it seriously THAT big of a deal...?
you new to the game or just acting as a troll?
like every gm said to any alliance that wanted to change their name "disband" and create a new alliance, so what happens when you disband an alliance and have sov? |
Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:32:00 -
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Yet another emo whine thread from Goons? Please go back to CAOD. There's a reason why I don't read that and I don't what to see your whining here.
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Yonker
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:33:00 -
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Quote:
So you're saying if they waited to re-form their Alliance... the consequence would have been that they would have lost Sov correct?
In order to re-form quickly they had to use this already created Alliance with a different name, right?
So, they had a choice... either lose Sov, or lose their name. They made a choice to keep sov.
So what rule is it that says if you don't like the consequence of your decision... CCP will adjust the game to fit your needs? I'm sure A LOT of scammed people would like to petition CCP under this new rule of "Not having to take responsibility for your actions".
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sertan Deras
Edited by: Sertan Deras on 24/03/2009 15:31:10
So, lets see here:
According to you, there is precedent for this. I think that we are due to hear what that precedent is. Since we can produce several examples of cases where you DID NOT do an alliance name change when requested, I think it's fair if you provided cases where you (supposedly) did.
Also, what is a timely manner? KenZoku existed as an alliance for quite some time before they decided to use it as a sov holding entity. In addition, I find it very strange it took you two months to decide this was a good idea.
Since these are supposedly the new rules of alliance name changing, I think we are owed a complete and descriptive explanation as to what those new rules are, and what precedent was in place to change those rules so abruptly.
they are still franticaly searching for an example in between meetings with their legal team and LOL ccp internal affiars - when what they should eb doing is saying sorry and changeing the name back.
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Known on 24/03/2009 15:35:31
Originally by: Cendaliaa
Originally by: Agent Known
Is it seriously THAT big of a deal...?
you new to the game or just acting as a troll?
like every gm said to any alliance that wanted to change their name "disband" and create a new alliance, so what happens when you disband an alliance and have sov?
I'm actually new to the game, but whatever...
From what I've read BoB DID lose sov when the alliance was disbanded and had to start over. Their name was taken so it was petitioned, but it took until now to actually get it changed. So...I don't think this is favoritism or any of that sort, but I'm not 100% sure until CCP gives examples of doing this for other alliances.
Edit: I don't believe KenZoku had sov when they first petitioned for their name back, so it wouldn't be fair to have to lose what they gained simply because the petition took so long.
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