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Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 08:32:00 - [211] Thanks for the praise there Draco, its nice to hear ones enemies admit we are a super elite fw corp :) Seriously though WOLFY have no problems engaging you plexes but as soon as we enter a system you run, EVERY SINGLE TIME! We now no longer bother with 22nd or any of the other plexing corps because we know you won't fight and thats what fw is to us, an eternal big f**k off fight, so we will stick to roaming and griefing in tama, its done us well ever since we entered fw and nothing you can say about plexing will change our mind. Dark-Rising took up your challenge of plex=pvp and their kill rates plummeted so you won't even fight plexers, all your interested in is pve and thats fine because once you've "won" fw there will be nothing for you to do and you can leave fw to pvpers, happy days!
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.20 09:22:00 - [212] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Thanks for the praise there Draco, its nice to hear ones enemies admit we are a super elite fw corp :) Seriously though WOLFY have no problems engaging you plexes but as soon as we enter a system you run, EVERY SINGLE TIME! We now no longer bother with 22nd or any of the other plexing corps because we know you won't fight and thats what fw is to us, an eternal big f**k off fight, so we will stick to roaming and griefing in tama, its done us well ever since we entered fw and nothing you can say about plexing will change our mind. Dark-Rising took up your challenge of plex=pvp and their kill rates plummeted so you won't even fight plexers, all your interested in is pve and thats fine because once you've "won" fw there will be nothing for you to do and you can leave fw to pvpers, happy days! signed Troll of Fenris
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 09:45:00 - [213] Originally by: Hidden Snake Originally by: Parmenides Elea Thanks for the praise there Draco, its nice to hear ones enemies admit we are a super elite fw corp :) Seriously though WOLFY have no problems engaging you plexes but as soon as we enter a system you run, EVERY SINGLE TIME! We now no longer bother with 22nd or any of the other plexing corps because we know you won't fight and thats what fw is to us, an eternal big f**k off fight, so we will stick to roaming and griefing in tama, its done us well ever since we entered fw and nothing you can say about plexing will change our mind. Dark-Rising took up your challenge of plex=pvp and their kill rates plummeted so you won't even fight plexers, all your interested in is pve and thats fine because once you've "won" fw there will be nothing for you to do and you can leave fw to pvpers, happy days! signed Troll of Fenris What was the full title of this thread again? Seriously though nothing that I typed was untrue. We never get fights in plexes because you always run. Dark have spent the past month trying to get fights in plexes and you always run. So if your goal is pvp why would anyone ever plex? Roll on the day when the mighty caldari have taken over all gal systems, maybe then you'll come looking for a fight.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:02:00 - [214] Originally by: Mitch Taylor In answer to evils question of 'whats dark upto' We moved north to begin 'offensive plexing' since it appeared to be so important in this factional warfare, we should give it a go. From the posts on this forum over the past few months we were prepared mentally and financially for what was sure to be the most extreme few months of pvp we had ever seen! But, erm... how can I say this. The number of kills we are getting has flatlined, like literally dead on the floor. And yet as you can see from the stats, we are capping literally tons of plexes in hostile infested space on a daily basis! So erm, im confused can anyone help me out here, cos were here running plexes in caldari space, but were not getting pvp which is what the caldari said was the point of doing the plexes? Internally my corp is sick of plexing, they in the main feel as I do that its all rather pointless. If no one is going to fight, why bother with it, when we can go back to OMS and farm caldari each night as they turn up for the daily oms>tama>oms dance. Between us and wolfy we accounted for the majority of the kills in the militia, this has now changed as we have focussed on the plexing mechanic. So having spent a month doing this, I started to think about the reasons why we are not getting any fights? Well, this is the real kicker folks. It has become quite apparent to me, that once you are in a plex, in the right ships, with the right positioning, it is very very hard for an opposing force to bust you out. The pervs smack and goading in local was simply since they wanted us to suicide into perfectly setup gank, to take away the eternal boredom they were facing on a daily basis, running timers. Now we find ourselves in our enemies position, running plexes unopposed allowing us to eventually doubtlessly 'take systems'. As a visionary, with a long term goal for my corporation, I have to ensure that everything we do 'now' is good training for 'tommorow' So that leaves me at a crossroads with FW, thinking. Why? Maybe you are doing something wrong there? You say you have 'offensive plexing' but i can not see any results when i look at occupancy map. You say you do not get pvp , yes you do not get it if you sit in station. I hope that ambulation will fix that. You have numbers but you still does not want to fight against us. PERVS is part of Caldari Militia and we do pvp if you just bring your people to fight. But no. PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then...
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:16:00 - [215] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 20/04/2009 10:16:30 Originally by: Bad Messenger PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then... For all the crap Pervs spout, your corp have a goal and your a good bunch of PvP'ers, I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. We see a 22nd fleet we don't have time to engage before they run off. Thats the difference and as a PvP Corp that makes for a LOAD of difference in respect. So get better soon and hope you are back to full health soon.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:38:00 - [216] Maybe theres something wrong with FW. Maybe. Well, the lag seems to be back, I was watching some blobtastic clusterfawk in a cloaker, doing nothing but observing from 200km. Boosh, entering ship, entering ship, entering ship...oh well blobs blow donkey balls anyways. There really is no reason to have 20+ gangs in fw. Much less 50+. Take ~10 guys, do something, encounter blob, just bore them to death, there's not much that blob can achieve and it will disperse eventually. Have some fun. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
TooNu Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:13:00 - [217] I need to take bullet points for an important meeting about what we are doing wrong in the 22nd. Unless I am wrong so far the facts are: - We stab our ships. - Frequently run away. - Have a higher regard for plexing over pvp. - Have no impact on Faction Warfare. - Have members that smack on forums. Have I missed anything? As usual add your accurate information below.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:14:00 - [218] Originally by: Bad Messenger PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then... Sorry to hear you have been ill, Whilst we will be around for a while longer, our objectives from factional warfare have been achieved. Good luck with placid. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Pride NL The Legendaries	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:23:00 - [219] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 20/04/2009 10:16:30 Originally by: Bad Messenger PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then... For all the crap Pervs spout, your corp have a goal and your a good bunch of PvP'ers, I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. We see a 22nd fleet we don't have time to engage before they run off. Thats the difference and as a PvP Corp that makes for a LOAD of difference in respect. So get better soon and hope you are back to full health soon. I can't disagree more with the statement regarding pervs in a plex. When I see PERVS in a plex I will try to meet the demand (meaning 5 PERVS = 5 of our pilots). I rather fight 5 people that know what they are doing then a fleet full of people that don't. Makes the fight more interesting. Originally by: Unfamed II Maybe theres something wrong with FW. Maybe. Well, the lag seems to be back, I was watching some blobtastic clusterfawk in a cloaker, doing nothing but observing from 200km. Boosh, entering ship, entering ship, entering ship...oh well blobs blow donkey balls anyways. There really is no reason to have 20+ gangs in fw. Much less 50+. Take ~10 guys, do something, encounter blob, just bore them to death, there's not much that blob can achieve and it will disperse eventually. Have some fun. Agreed. But it is more a request-demand game. Bring 20 people and receive a opponent with the same numbers. Bring 50 people and..... I rather have Factions flying 3 gangs with 10 pilots in it then 1 gang of 30 pilots. But then again, it stays a request-demand game. You always want to match your opponents strength. Eventually it means you will reach a fleet of 50+. And as I have noticed, this is a total waste of time. This weekend I was entering my ship for 50 times in a battle that lasted 5 minutes. In short, the lag is too much for a 50v50 battle. So please, restrict fleets to 10 or 20 people. Much more fun that way anyway. Just my 2 euro's. No One Better
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:37:00 - [220] Plexing is great. Over the last week I've been capping plexes with my Gallente main and running lvl 4 missions with my Caldari Spy. I wasn't disturbed by any Caldari in the plexes and didn't get any PvP. In fact, the only time I was in danger of losing a ship was when a Gallente Militia member came into the system I was missioning in. I was able to make a fair bit of Isk and get some Medals for zero risk. One of the highlights was reading in Squid chat how the guys in the 22nd had a spectacular failure last night and got spanked by a Myrm Pilot who's in Aliastra.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:19:00 - [221] Edited by: chatgris on 20/04/2009 13:19:18 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. You DO NOT speak for me sir! I've had many a plex battle against the pervs. Some win, some lose, but I generally don't leave it be if ship types and numbers are anywhere near equal!
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:52:00 - [222] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 20/04/2009 13:19:18 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. You DO NOT speak for me sir! I've had many a plex battle against the pervs. Some win, some lose, but I generally don't leave it be if ship types and numbers are anywhere near equal! I stand corrected.. jeez
Serenis Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:17:00 - [223] Ah so the victory condition for factional warfare was defined as controlling systems? Wait no? Well what a conundrum! So it must be having the most kills? Hmmm nope it's not that either is it? Both sides of this argument can pick whatever their most impressive stat is and claim that they are therefore 'winning' or have 'won' FW. You aren't, you didn't, you haven't. It's easy for both of us to claim that beacuse our kills/occupancy are our best stat then PvP/Plexing doesn't matter. They are the same argument from the opposite direction. Neither is valid. Want to know what winning feels like? Ask a Minmatar. Mastery over both kills and occupancy is winning. Anything else is not.
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:38:00 - [224] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 20/04/2009 14:39:44 Originally by: Serenis Ah so the victory condition for factional warfare was defined as controlling systems? Wait no? Well what a conundrum! So it must be having the most kills? Hmmm nope it's not that either is it? Both sides of this argument can pick whatever their most impressive stat is and claim that they are therefore 'winning' or have 'won' FW. You aren't, you didn't, you haven't. It's easy for both of us to claim that beacuse our kills/occupancy are our best stat then PvP/Plexing doesn't matter. They are the same argument from the opposite direction. Neither is valid. Want to know what winning feels like? Ask a Minmatar. Mastery over both kills and occupancy is winning. Anything else is not. Eh? Minmatar have ZERO systems captured or are you putting on sarcasm? or I missed something? And how can ANYONE say losing a ship does not matter. If you have the isk, its a small drop in the ocean, fine, lucky you. But losing a systems don't even tickle me. /me puts the pot back on and starts to stir.
Serenis Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:56:00 - [225] The Minmatar both control more systems and have more kills than the Amarr.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 15:40:00 - [226] personally I hope ccp never introduce victory conditions to FW, long may it last, PvP eternal.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.04.20 15:50:00 - [227] Originally by: Serenis The Minmatar both control more systems and have more kills than the Amarr. Don't read the IC Stats. The real situation is here. Minmatar is not controlling ANY Amarr systems yet.
steveid Killed In Action The Firm.	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:33:00 - [228] I've been in three of the four fw races, in fact the corp i'm in used to regularly top the kb in gallente and amarr fw, and I can honestly say that the gallente faction as a whole cares least about plex's. They are there for pvp. Thats why I enjoyed them best.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.21 05:30:00 - [229] Originally by: TooNu I need to take bullet points for an important meeting about what we are doing wrong in the 22nd. Unless I am wrong so far the facts are: - We stab our ships. - Frequently run away. - Have a higher regard for plexing over pvp. - Have no impact on Faction Warfare. - Have members that smack on forums. Have I missed anything? As usual add your accurate information below. toonu u fool....u provided our enemy with our most valuable strategical intel. Ok i will destab my AFs, BCs, Crs and bombers .....and will stick mjolnir in ur ass :) when I meet u in black rise.
Sillas Cov Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.21 06:45:00 - [230] I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas
Suspicious Clone	Posted - 2009.04.21 10:54:00 - [231] Originally by: Sillas Cov I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas Translation: The 22nd are starting to attract attention because of all the smack we make and are finding it harder to capture any complexes.
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:44:00 - [232] Originally by: Sillas Cov I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas quiet you!
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:23:00 - [233] Originally by: Suspicious Clone Originally by: Sillas Cov I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas Translation: The 22nd are starting to attract attention because of all the smack we make and are finding it harder to capture any complexes. I saw a 22nd in Hey the other day and I was like "oww maybe easy target" all because of this thread...
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:33:00 - [234] Originally by: Matharos I saw a 22nd in Hey the other day and I was like "oww maybe easy target" all because of this thread... We may have some warped rep on the forums, but being a 22nd member I can assure you, as you might have already experienced, there are more than a few 22nd pilots one wouldn't want to catch themselves in a dog fight with.
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:58:00 - [235] Originally by: Lord Zekk We may have some warped rep on the forums, but being a 22nd member I can assure you, as you might have already experienced, there are more than a few 22nd pilots one wouldn't want to catch themselves in a dog fight with. Sorry was trying to sound sarcastic
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:59:00 - [236] More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:59:00 - [237] More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.21 21:33:00 - [238] Originally by: Hidden Snake More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come. You are doing a good job so far with your double posts. Keep that noob image going! :D
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.22 04:31:00 - [239] I love this thread. I wake up every morning and look at it grow as if it were my child. BTW, if you don't already download the Fly Reckless podcast. info below. I'm such a *****. AX
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.22 04:50:00 - [240] Originally by: Atraxerxes I'm such a *****. QFT

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