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Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.07 17:26:00 - [1] Let's face it, the Gallente Militia has all but effen quit FW. And honestly I couldn't be more upset about it either. It gets boring winning all the time. You guys have had former 0.0 corps, seriously skilled pilots, local pirates who are friendly with you and more, but you've basically drop the god damn ball over and over again. Faction War is a game inside the game. Much like sovereignty is in null sec and market pvp is everywhere. Yet most of you Gallente toons have been playing like getting in epic 50 on 50 fleet battles means victory or killing noob militia pilots in Tama is a win. My favorite part is when you post up on occupancy/plex threads that plexing doesn't matter. WTF!? The only reason for FW is to take systems. It's like a capture the flag with pvp included. If you just want pvp, move to 0.0 or start to pirate. So all you Ferris Buellers and other gal corps who will post up here about your killmails, as if the 22nd, ZiTek, the Pervs or CAIN, don't pvp on top of taking your regions and painting them blue. Please post up here and flame us, because every post you make just shows us how **ed off you are that we are winning and not that you are in it strictly for the 5000 war targets you get to shoot at, as you like to claim. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting in FW threads. You'd just be out there pew pewwing, as happy as a pig in slop. I'm Atraxerxes and I approve this message. Nice Regions, we'll take them all. "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE**."
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.07 17:30:00 - [2] Plexing doesn't matter.
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.07 17:34:00 - [3] LOL That's one so far. Please keep them coming. "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
Lucretiea	Posted - 2009.04.07 17:41:00 - [4] Sweet, FW is over? No more FW threads! \o/
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.04.07 18:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Lucretiea Sweet, FW is over? No more FW threads! \o/ This. Maybe they can also get rid of this terrible forum too.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.04.07 18:03:00 - [6] Killmails give me no reward, atleast with plexing I get some faction point boost.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.07 18:20:00 - [7] wow you missed the point of the whole "plexing doesnt matter" thing. Basically while factional warefare was based around capturing systems there is almost 0 benefit in actually doing that. Not to mention that that part of FW can be skewed by the unbalanced number on each side. The gal people dont bother with the plexing so much due to their lower numbers but claim they have more kills and are better at pvp which is what they see as being "better at FW". Now not being affiliated with either side i cant confirm if they are actually better but i hope that explains why the really dont care if you carry on plexing your little caldari hearts out.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.07 18:29:00 - [8] NEEEEEERDD RAAAAAAGGGEEEE! The Dark is Rising...
Odewad Gallente Fat Boys need luvin too	Posted - 2009.04.07 18:44:00 - [9] Your whole problem, other than obvious E-peen envy, is you failed to notice that Gallente were French. You actually expected the French to fight for their territory? White flag, cheese and some wine please! ------ http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5962/brightlc7.png This ^^ sucks
Louis DelaBlanche Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:22:00 - [10] u measure ur epeen by plexing, others measure theirs by killmails. Both have no greater consequence ingame except as something to smack/brag about. Enjoy _________________ Space is reserved _________________
TooNu Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:42:00 - [11] win Oh, CAIN just handed 15 Gallente ships their asses, 4 vs 15 odds in failente favor oops
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Odewad Your whole problem, other than obvious E-peen envy, is you failed to notice that Gallente were French. You actually expected the French to fight for their territory? White flag, cheese and some wine please! Yes, but they have learned a little. In WWII Germany captured France within 4 weeks in a blitzkrieg. It took Caldari over 9 months to do that with Gallente, so looks like the French have improved a bit - still not enough to stand against a nationalistic dictatorship. I knew they would fail, it just took little longer than expected.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/04/2009 20:42:33 Originally by: Atraxerxes WTF!? The only reason for FW is to take systems. It's like a capture the flag with pvp included. If you just want pvp, move to 0.0 or start to pirate. I know 22ND has good players in it and can PvP effectively so this isn't a blam on FW corps, but the big problem with FW is that a lot of people see it as a PvE mechanic. You guys get thousands of potential targets dropped into your lap to PvP against, and FW should have centered its rewards around that instead of just making the PvP part incidental. FW's lameness emanates from the fact that its tangible rewards are essentially PvE-based, which the game didn't need more of tbh. But that's just my two cents. I've never done FW I've just encountered its participants in the plexes in my home region, MWD'ing or cloaking or whatever until the plex is taken (or at best bringing a small gank squad in to treat it like a multiplayer mission.) edit: actually wait I will blam FW corps here. My home region is Gallente, but all I see are guys from 22ND. What gives, Gallente militia?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.07 21:13:00 - [14] FW is dying! ---
DaDutchDude Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.07 22:13:00 - [15] My question: does the Caldari Militia want to be the goons of FW? c/d!
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.07 22:18:00 - [16] Dirk, I couldn't agree more. A system occupancy based off the number of troops killed as opposed to the number of Plexes (which do offer pvp) would have been much more desirable. But at the same time, systems like Intaki might have never fallen nor would any of Verge Vendor as the Gallente & Caldari militia seem to be interested in fighting in 3 systems only. God bless corps liek WOLFY (yes I said it), FOOM and Dark Rising for actually getting the hell out of OMS, Heyd & Tama sometimes. Sorry for any corp on the Gal's side i missed, but lets be honest, the 22nd hasn't exactly been keeping a low profile on what systems we hang out in. MoFo's know where to find us if they want to. AX "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.07 22:19:00 - [17] Originally by: DaDutchDude My question: does the Caldari Militia want to be the goons of FW? c/d! DUDE, if I can find a way to get my spies to hit the "retire" button for the Gal militia I'd do it in a second. AX "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
Infected Cure Caldari The Ninja Pirates Gang Bang Theory	Posted - 2009.04.07 22:20:00 - [18] Edited by: Infected Cure on 07/04/2009 22:23:02 Originally by: Firkragg wow you missed the point of the whole "plexing doesnt matter" thing. Basically while factional warefare was based around capturing systems there is almost 0 benefit in actually doing that. Yeah, there is no point to plexing, zero benefit, cept for that fact that it means you won. no point at all... CALDARI RULE
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.07 23:17:00 - [19] We didn't want those plexes anyway.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 01:08:00 - [20] We win, your regions are ours. Give us the Sov and lets move on.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:38:00 - [21] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 08/04/2009 02:38:28 Originally by: Atraxerxes My favorite part is when you post up on occupancy/plex threads that plexing doesn't matter. Is that what's happening? I'm looking at the map since I'm probably going to have to edit it to fit a bigger occupancy list, and I've been wondering what's going on to make FW so one-sided as of late. Is it just that the Gallente FW players aren't trying to protect their occupancy, or what? ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Selous Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:53:00 - [22] Aah yes plexes Tonight I go into a plex , start capturing the major with 16 minutes and counting down. When the counter reaches 13 someting , it jumps to 26 minutes. ( I am not sure if this was just before or after a caldari militia buzzard jumped in ) The buzzard cloaks up and the timer simply shows contested. So if I have this right, I can now kill all the npc sit here for ever and achieve nothing ? WHY? If I want to kill the npc I may as well go do a lev 4 and earn isk. A mate of mine decided he wanted a buzzard kill so he put a helios in there to make it fair . He reported that a caldari taranis simply orbited the thingy in there to capture the complex. So the buzzard can stop me capturing it with no risk to him and a taranis can capture it ( with no buzzard I need reasonable firepower to clear it , and surplus ship/s to soak up the jamming ). Complexs , you may take them , lube or not is your choice, and hide them from the sun as far as I am concerned.
Ronin Reborn Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 04:35:00 - [23] Plexing doesn't matter. We're not playing your version of Faction Warfare.
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 04:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Plexing doesn't matter. We're not playing your version of Faction Warfare. So Bueller, how's is it again that Plexing doesn't matter. See because the last time I checked, the company that created EVE, you know, CCP, kind of wrote this little thing into the code called occupancy. And once again, you taking the bait and posting here, proves my point that it does. If you didn't care you would have read this thread and said "meh". We're under your skin, you've been infected and you're going to help spread our name across the galaxy. AX "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.08 04:52:00 - [25] I'm dreaming that I can force Bad Messenger to make us became Minmatar militia and then we can start raping people in Motsu / Jita just like we do in Dodixie/whatever because Gallente FW people are nowadays so few .. I'm halfway there done. Just wait Gallente, we are about to turn our coats! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Ronin Reborn Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 05:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Atraxerxes Originally by: Ronin Reborn Plexing doesn't matter. We're not playing your version of Faction Warfare. So Bueller, how's is it again that Plexing doesn't matter? Name one way that it does.
Flashh Gorden Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.04.08 05:31:00 - [27] I think the OP is a little harsh this time. There is still some terrific action going on out there. Akadagi/Nenamilia seems to be the frontlines atm although you can find small gangs from both sides out and about all over the place. There is nothing more to say that has not been covered in atleast 2 or 3 other threads so im not getting invloved in this one any more.
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 07:03:00 - [28] Nice attempt to get these guys to care and hopefully try and fight back boss. Though after all the posts we've seen from most of the Frogs its pretty clear that the loss of so much territory has driven them crazy. You know what Atra, I think they're right. You've got it all wrong. How does taking territory make the Caldari win. In the history of warfare when has taking over the enemies territory equaled winning if you've lost more troops in the battle. When the Goons take over territory from other alliances they don't really win because they have larger numbers and have taken more losses at times. Right? NO WAIT, IT IS LOSING!!! Just because you want to pretend it's not losing doesn't make it so. It's like someone saying "I didn't lose because you destroyed my ship in PVP. It doesn't "really"* mean anything and I don't lose because I said so."* Guess what it is just a game and none of it "really" means anything. Though the point of faction warfare is to take over your enemies space. Now killing the enemy might be a form of entertainment and I'm not saying that it isn't. I'm not saying you shouldn't join FW if you don't want to plex and you only want to PVP. That's all fine too. As Atra always says, "It's your 15$, do what you want." But, please don't pretend that losing space isn't losing in FW.
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 07:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Originally by: Atraxerxes Originally by: Ronin Reborn Plexing doesn't matter. We're not playing your version of Faction Warfare. So Bueller, how's is it again that Plexing doesn't matter? Name one way that it does. You get occupancy which means the rats in the plexes are friendly. Now players will claim we don't fight in plexes so it doesn't matter. But a lot of people do. We killed a Domi with 2 rifters and a BB. That would not have been possible without the support of NPS rats in the unrestricted plex. Is that real enough? Did I also mention it equals winning at FW. That may not matter to you, but it still equals winning at FW.
Elmo Vormar	Posted - 2009.04.08 07:15:00 - [30] I agree with the op, tho i am minmatar and we are a bit more plexxing then the gallenteans. i dont see why people want to join fw if the only thing they are after is isk and kills. If you want that go live in 0.0, become a pirate or join a indy corp for all i care. Tho i do agree that plexing doesnt give rewards as i should and it need a bit tweaking, i do like it. I'm only a week in fw but i already realise that plexing needsto be done and it will get you some pvp action, a thing that most fw people still need to understand i think...
Ronin Reborn Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 07:25:00 - [31] Edited by: Ronin Reborn on 08/04/2009 07:28:34 So your retort is that plexing changes.....plexing (rat spawns). You wonder why so many choose not to plex? Because unlike anything else in Eve it affects nothing beyond itself. Well, that and it's mindnumbingly boring, at least in my opinion. As far as 'plexing for pvp' there are a million ways to get a fight that doesn't involve PVE. Seriously Caldari chestbeating because they have the patience to orbit a beacon for x# of minutes is sad. You've said that no one is trying to stop you so why are you bragging? Do you want someone to care? Do you want a medal like Ankh? I don't understand the point of the thread. Just because you want to play FW a certain way does not in any way mean others are obligated to follow suit. Or give a **** for that matter. edit::grammar
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 07:47:00 - [32] I'm not posting in this thread! (Tho cheers for the WOLFY namedrop Atraxerxes, now offline the stabs already... :P ) Originally by: Kuolematon I'm dreaming that I can force Bad Messenger to make us became Minmatar militia and then we can start raping people in Motsu / Jita just like we do in Dodixie/whatever because Gallente FW people are nowadays so few .. I'm halfway there done. Just wait Gallente, we are about to turn our coats! But this bit. Epic lols! I can confirm that Jita, Motsu and that hisec area can provide endless fun in Gall/ Minnie FW, even more than Dodi/ Villore for you guys I would suspect... Tho sometimes the lag is a bit too much. :P (Damn, did I bite? With Pervs you never know...) ---
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 07:53:00 - [33] Originally by: Elmo Vormar i dont see why people want to join fw if the only thing they are after is isk and kills. If you want that go live in 0.0, become a pirate or join a indy corp for all i care. I've posted this elsewhere but it's our subscription of the "sandbox game" that is EVE so we can do damn well as we please. Fact is that the PVP- centric FW (the free mass wardec bit and the hisec mechanics) offers gameplay not found elsewhere in EVE. I enjoy it so I stay in FW, is that too hard to understand? No deccing hassles, no locator agents, no sentry guns, no bubbles, almost no POSes and instead a lot of small gang/ solo fights in whatever you fancy flying and a lot of frigate action at gates and even in plexes! That's fun to me, I don't wanna go blinky or go to 0.0 as I have my fun right here in FW. ... God, I gotta stop biting like this... ---
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Edited by: Ronin Reborn on 08/04/2009 07:28:34 So your retort is that plexing changes.....plexing (rat spawns). You wonder why so many choose not to plex? Because unlike anything else in Eve it affects nothing beyond itself. Well, that and it's mindnumbingly boring, at least in my opinion. As far as 'plexing for pvp' there are a million ways to get a fight that doesn't involve PVE. Seriously Caldari chestbeating because they have the patience to orbit a beacon for x# of minutes is sad. You've said that no one is trying to stop you so why are you bragging? Do you want someone to care? Do you want a medal like Ankh? I don't understand the point of the thread. Just because you want to play FW a certain way does not in any way mean others are obligated to follow suit. Or give a **** for that matter. edit::grammar If you are interested in PVP and find that other ways are more effective go do that. We enjoy our PVP in this way. Correct me if wrong, but you enjoy FW PVP as well which why you are a part of FW even though you don't like plexing. The "certain way" we're playing FW is the way it is meant to be played to win. I'm not saying that anything else is wrong/bad/shouldn't be done. If you have fun doing something in FW by all means do it and if you don't like something don't do it. However winning is FW is determined by the amount of territory a faction able to capture and defend. Plain and simple.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:15:00 - [35] Originally by: Raimo I'm not posting in this thread! (Tho cheers for the WOLFY namedrop Atraxerxes, now offline the stabs already... :P ) Originally by: Kuolematon I'm dreaming that I can force Bad Messenger to make us became Minmatar militia and then we can start raping people in Motsu / Jita just like we do in Dodixie/whatever because Gallente FW people are nowadays so few .. I'm halfway there done. Just wait Gallente, we are about to turn our coats! But this bit. Epic lols! I can confirm that Jita, Motsu and that hisec area can provide endless fun in Gall/ Minnie FW, even more than Dodi/ Villore for you guys I would suspect... Tho sometimes the lag is a bit too much. :P (Damn, did I bite? With Pervs you never know...) Biggest problem is massive caldari stations. Dodixie doesn't have that level of protection, luckily for us. Morale? Not in my dictionary. Iskies, nah. Lulz > iskies every time. Almost suicide ganked an empty freighter just to ** off the owner, not to make iskies. The train goes where the tracks are laid, and Kuolematon got me convinced... Originally by:** Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Odewad Your whole problem, other than obvious E-peen envy, is you failed to notice that Gallente were French. You actually expected the French to fight for their territory? White flag, cheese and some wine please! THIS! I can't wait for that epic story we get when we take every FW system! I guess after that we could also go and help the Amarr finally put down those slaves.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:34:00 - [37] Edited by: Raimo on 08/04/2009 08:36:26 Originally by: Unfamed II Biggest problem is massive caldari stations. Dodixie doesn't have that level of protection, luckily for us. Morale? Not in my dictionary. Iskies, nah. Lulz > iskies every time. Almost suicide ganked an empty freighter just to **** off the owner, not to make iskies. The train goes where the tracks are laid, and Kuolematon got me convinced... Well everyone knows that the most phat lewtz (Don't do it for the iskies but for the epic lols) are in Jita and Motsu even if Dodi has some too... But I'm sure you knew that. :P TBH plus side for me would be to be able to gang up with you bunch of loonies. Tho I'm not totally certain if that is smart or safe even when (neutral) "allied"... ---
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Turelus Originally by: Odewad Your whole problem, other than obvious E-peen envy, is you failed to notice that Gallente were French. You actually expected the French to fight for their territory? White flag, cheese and some wine please! THIS! I can't wait for that epic story we get when we take every FW system! I guess after that we could also go and help the Amarr finally put down those slaves. Aye. It's not gonna be too long before we deal with these freedom loving democratic frogs. I just hope the last Gal system doesn't fall before I get back. It's gonna be a pleasure helping the Amarr crush those slaves.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:18:00 - [39] 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! Well you said trolling was welcome :) To Daimoto Kurashi
alexis steele Minmatar 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:33:00 - [40] Edited by: alexis steele on 08/04/2009 09:34:21 Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! mmmmmmm stabbed up ehh? never go to find pvp ehh? i sir must say that you are full of it :) the main thing i enjoy in FW is killing my enemys in high sec where they think they are safe from us :) looks like tama is next, although might be a bit harder due to pirates :) a plan is just a list of things that dont happen!
Jin Gle Asgardreia	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Atraxerxes Please post up here and flame us, because every post you make just shows us how **ed off you are that we are winning and not that you are in it strictly for the 5000 war targets you get to shoot at, as you like to claim. I know you take this game very serious and this will be very difficult for you too understand but we actually are in it for the fun and shooty. ps: this post proves that im actually really **ed of for some reason
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:47:00 - [42] It seems to me that the enormous number of posts on this subject is more about gloating, smack and ego-stroking. Before anyone else says 'we win', let me point out the fact that you can conquer every system, and you still won't win because there is no end to factional warfare. What you can say is that you dominate the plexing side of factional warfare at the moment. If you show a poor attitude when you are winning, imagine how much more it will hurt you when you are losing. Circumstances will change over time, as they always do. But think of this: the victory points difference between the two militia are almost level, and considering the significant numerical superiority that the Caldari have, this represents a smaller amount of Victory Points per person, so in this sense, you can say Gallente pilots are generally more efficient. And what are the conditions for achieving victory points? Plexing, is it? If the OP is so bored at winning all the time, why doesn't his corp defect to the Gallente side, where we are 'losing' so bad. Of course not, it's just an excuse to stroke one's ego. If you were really concerned about a challenge, you would side with what you consider to be the losing faction. All these posts that troll on and on, and it never occurs to you that the only reason for doing all this is to make the other side feel bad, so you can feel that it was actually worth doing. We are here to play for fun and entertainment. Gloating suggests that you take it all way to seriously.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Lord Zekk Originally by: Ronin Reborn Originally by: Atraxerxes Originally by: Ronin Reborn Plexing doesn't matter. We're not playing your version of Faction Warfare. So Bueller, how's is it again that Plexing doesn't matter? Name one way that it does. You get occupancy which means the rats in the plexes are friendly. Now players will claim we don't fight in plexes so it doesn't matter. But a lot of people do. We killed a Domi with 2 rifters and a BB. That would not have been possible without the support of NPS rats in the unrestricted plex. Is that real enough? Did I also mention it equals winning at FW. That may not matter to you, but it still equals winning at FW. That is actually the best argument i've ever seen for plexing from the Caldari side. However, from what you've basically just said, you run plexes to get NPC's to help you blob out your opponents?
Kulmid Asshats and Alcoholics Turbo.	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:52:00 - [44] As I was in the Minmatar Militia for sometime for the SOLE purpose of getting frig fights, inty fight, destroyer fights. No where else in Eve will you see such a mass of frigs size ships ready to fight. I joined FW for the 100s maybe 1000s of more targets I would have. If I could have made my own militia a target as well I would have. I still roamed to 0.0, I still pirated low sec, but I also got awesome frig fights. I really have no idea how FW works outside of the "have some targets to pew pew" part and for the month or two that I was in FW I don't think I ever actually entered a plex. So, can someone please explain to me what it is you get for "winning" exactly. I'm pretty sure I've correctly picked up throughout the trolling in this thread that you "take" the enemies space. But is there any benefit to actually capturing their space. Is there some kind of leader board? Being a real PvPer at heart I always used the killboard as the leader board like the rest of the PvPing community. Thanks. _________________
Ronin Reborn Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:57:00 - [45] Kulmid, there are 'victory points' and a leaderboard for them. There are no rewards outside of a plex for flipping a system over to your side.
Doktor Soet Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Atraxerxes Let's face it, the Gallente Militia has all but effen quit FW. [...] I'm Atraxerxes and I approve this message. Nice Regions, we'll take them all. thx Atraxerxes for this post... we now have (or at least i have) new sigs
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Kulmid So, can someone please explain to me what it is you get for "winning" exactly. I'm pretty sure I've correctly picked up throughout the trolling in this thread that you "take" the enemies space. But is there any benefit to actually capturing their space. Is there some kind of leader board? Being a real PvPer at heart I always used the killboard as the leader board like the rest of the PvPing community. Thanks. FW Stats The Official IC stats leaderboard does keep track of systems lost/ gained, but the actual "official" leaderboard (2nd page there) only tracks amount of VPs gained(not systems flipped) and kill amounts with individual corp rankings and a combined stat with 50% value on each accomplishment. We just use our killboard tbh. ---
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Irida Mershkov That is actually the best argument i've ever seen for plexing from the Caldari side. However, from what you've basically just said, you run plexes to get NPC's to help you blob out your opponents? I like to think of it as home side advantage. Someone came after us in Domi. We used this strategy to take him out. Our only other option would have been to run. There is no way 2 Rifters and a BB have the DPS to take down a Domi. Say what you want I'm pretty proud of the fact that we were able to take down a superior foe. Originally by: Ratchetman Before anyone else says 'we win', let me point out the fact that you can conquer every system, and you still won't win because there is no end to factional warfare. What you can say is that you dominate the plexing side of factional warfare at the moment. If you show a poor attitude when you are winning, imagine how much more it will hurt you when you are losing. Circumstances will change over time, as they always do. Good point on the we win. Knowing Atraxerxes and most of the 22nd I'm sure they don't have a poor attitude. We've basically tried everything to get the Gals to come out and plex against us. I know a lot of you prefer staying out of plexing and just sticking to combat which is fine. To each their own, but I'm pretty sure a lot of you, who would plex and fight in plexes, feel like it's a hopeless cause. I might be wrong but, I'm pretty sure this is Ax's way of ****ing you guys off enough to want to reclaim your systems and even try and take some of ours. Nothing else seems to be working including CCPs little call to arms. (Yes I know there aren't many direct ingame benefits), but I'm sure there are good number of you who would like to have that damn Caldari Occpancy Tag removed from your systems enough to fight for it.
AshenShugar01 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:51:00 - [49] FW is a war that cant be 'won' as such like a war over territory in 0.0 might be won. System control IS meaningless... However this the storyline does tell us that system occupancy is important, that winning the war is dependent on this as well as kills and the like. So i give full credit to the squids, U guys have got us pretty well beat at the moment in this game mechanic, which is sad for me as its a mechanic that i genuinely like. As a Gallente plexer from early FW I wish more plexing occurred, and that we'd fight for the plexes more but that hasnt happened unfortunately. Which is a pity as some of the best pvp occurs in the plexes. However the caldari are to blame for this a bit too, whats the point of a plex if not to fight over it? whats the point of a system if not to fight your enemies over its control? So why fill a minor plex with 10 destroyers so that no WT or pirate for that matter will come in? Blobbing is part of the game, and in fleet warfare thats just life, you'll never catch me moaning in local that 5 to one is 'not fair' or the like, but with the plexes theres something not right with that either. Do u want to PvP or PvE? Atm its largely just caldari vs the rats in the plexes and a few gallente guys who continue to work away at it. Are we really happy with the state of Faction War? Gallente, do u like losing system after system? Caldari, do u enjoy PvE so much that u want to discourage anything more then token resistance?
Kulmid Asshats and Alcoholics Turbo.	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:02:00 - [50] Edited by: Kulmid on 08/04/2009 12:05:07 Originally by: Raimo FW Stats The Official IC stats leaderboard does keep track of systems lost/ gained, but the actual "official" leaderboard (2nd page there) only tracks amount of VPs gained(not systems flipped) and kill amounts with individual corp rankings and a combined stat with 50% value on each accomplishment. We just use our killboard tbh. I see. So despite the fact that the Gallente Militia have "all but quit FW" they continue to maintain higher kills per player and higher Victory Points per player. But the Caldari are able to "win" simply because they have a 2k player advantage. To me, from a strictly PvP standpoint, it looks like the Gallente Militia are actually winning. While yes, losing territory is indeed losing, when capturing that territory has no tangible benefits and actually killing people does, it appears Caldari are "winning" the meaningless side of FW. The part meant to encourage FW PvP. While the Gallente are actually winning the real PvP. _________________
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Lord Zekk Originally by: Irida Mershkov That is actually the best argument i've ever seen for plexing from the Caldari side. However, from what you've basically just said, you run plexes to get NPC's to help you blob out your opponents? I like to think of it as home side advantage. Someone came after us in Domi. We used this strategy to take him out. Our only other option would have been to run. There is no way 2 Rifters and a BB have the DPS to take down a Domi. Say what you want I'm pretty proud of the fact that we were able to take down a superior foe. Good point there. Hadn't thought of it that way myself, hehe. That definately is using an added bonus and using the initiative. Congrats on taking the regions though. Come on Gallente! hop to it! you're making us look bad.
The Tzar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Odewad ...You actually expected the French to fight for their territory? White flag, cheese and some wine please! Haha awesome!!! Each gallente ship comes with a free treaty signing pen. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:26:00 - [53] Edited by: Droog 1 on 08/04/2009 12:38:10 Edited by: Droog 1 on 08/04/2009 12:36:52 Originally by: Atraxerxes Let's face it, the Gallente Militia has all but effen quit FW. And honestly I couldn't be more upset about it either. It gets boring winning all the time. In a perpetual war which can never end please tell us all how you are 'winning'. The only way anybody 'wins' is to find something that they enjoy doing and stick to it. It just so happens that you enjoy sitting in complexes and not PvP. Originally by: Atraxerxes You guys have had former 0.0 corps, seriously skilled pilots, local pirates who are friendly with you and more Are you saying the 5000 Caldari members are all noobs and you have no vets? Or do you think it's unfair that ebil piwates kill you sometimes? I don't even know what point you are trying to make with that statement because it's true for both sides. Originally by: Atraxerxes Faction War is a game inside the game. Much like sovereignty is in null sec and market pvp is everywhere. Except in 0.0 I can destroy your POSes and kick you out of your station. In 0.0 I can damage your wallet by inflicting Isk losses on you and put you out of the war. In 0.0 if you fly frigs and destroyers you won't achieve anything. FW is nothing like 0.0. FW is a 'fake' war that can never be won by either side. Originally by: Atraxerxes Yet most of you Gallente toons have been playing like getting in epic 50 on 50 fleet battles means victory or killing noob militia pilots in Tama is a win. You think running complexes is a win and they (Mainly WOLFY)think killing players in Tama is a win. They do however have a whole lot more kills than your Corp. Ofc I'm sure your corp has more medals than them so therefore you think you are 'winning'. Originally by: Atraxerxes My favorite part is when you post up on occupancy/plex threads that plexing doesn't matter. They don't. The only reason to run a plex is to get a fight. According to your corps stas you havn't been getting many fights but you still run plexes. Originally by: Atraxerxes If you just want pvp, move to 0.0 or start to pirate. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. How about I stay in Black Rise shooting Squids who are not hiding in complexes and if you don't like it you can go back to Motsu. Originally by: Atraxerxes So all you Ferris Buellers and other gal corps who will post up here about your killmails, as if the 22nd, ZiTek, the Pervs or CAIN, don't pvp on top of taking your regions and painting them blue. 22nd are not renowned for much apart from running and avoiding PvP. PERVS are the best corp in Squid militia. Originally by: Atraxerxes Please post up here and flame us, because every post you make just shows us how ****ed off you are that we are winning and not that you are in it strictly for the 5000 war targets you get to shoot at, as you like to claim. There you go again with the whole 'winning' thing. FW can't be won mate. Try to get that through your thick caldari skull. You might as well say you won against the Mordus in Sivala because you ran a mission there. The Caldari superior numbers across all time zones and the fact that you have more players not looking for PvP and sitting in complexes is why you hold more systems. It's not down to skill, better players or organisation. The Caldari militia have the worst stats per member than any of the other 4 militia. Per member you have less VPs and less kills. Your militia has contributed less to FW than anyone else and ,since you have started spending more time complexing the amount of PvP has decreased. One look at the Official Stats proves that as VPs go up the PvP goes down but you Quasicarebears in the Caldari militia still insist that there's more PvP in plexes and still run them. You have nothing to be proud of. Ps Wolfy sigs are funny.
Cosmic Raider Solo Plex	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Kulmid Edited by: Kulmid on 08/04/2009 12:05:07 Originally by: Raimo FW Stats The Official IC stats leaderboard does keep track of systems lost/ gained, but the actual "official" leaderboard (2nd page there) only tracks amount of VPs gained(not systems flipped) and kill amounts with individual corp rankings and a combined stat with 50% value on each accomplishment. We just use our killboard tbh. I see. So despite the fact that the Gallente Militia have "all but quit FW" they continue to maintain higher kills per player and higher Victory Points per player. But the Caldari are able to "win" simply because they have a 2k player advantage. To me, from a strictly PvP standpoint, it looks like the Gallente Militia are actually winning. While yes, losing territory is indeed losing, when capturing that territory has no tangible benefits and actually killing people does, it appears Caldari are "winning" the meaningless side of FW. The part meant to encourage FW PvP. While the Gallente are actually winning the real PvP.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:51:00 - [55] Quote: It seems to me that the enormous number of posts on this subject is more about gloating, smack and ego-stroking. Well, FW is the beginner PvP to prepare players for 0.0. Consequentially, this forum is the beginner forum to prepare players for COAD. See the connection?
Serapo Petrotestes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:20:00 - [56] Edited by: Serapo Petrotestes on 08/04/2009 14:27:27 Edited by: Serapo Petrotestes on 08/04/2009 14:25:39 Lots of blah blah in this thread. Me, for my part, I just like to be able to fly all the way from Caldari High Sec in Nourvukaiken to Old Man Star and never leave Caldari occupied territory. I like to take a tour right through the heart of gallente Empire in VV down to Jovainon and still never leave Caldari occupied territory. It must be quite an impact for Gallente new recruits to form up in Villore for the first few times, jump into the FW theater in OMS and read in their monitors "Occupancy: Caldari State". I am sure they must feel a great trust in the leadership of whatever FC or corp is leading them. A glowing warm fuzzy feeling of positive believe, no room for doubt in their heads, a great moral boost... Edited for literary embelishment
Jin Gle Asgardreia	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes It must be quite an impact for Gallente new recruits to form up in Villore for the first few times, jump into the FW theater in OMS and read in their monitors "Occupancy: Caldari State". I am sure they must feel a great trust in the leadership of whatever FC or corp is leading them. A glowing warm fuzzy feeling of positive believe, a great moral boost... Edited for literary embelishment im pretty sure they dont really give a damm. also; is every caldari FW pilot a roleplayer or something? Do you get a massive e-peen from looking at the occupancy of a system?
Tropic9 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes Lots of blah blah in this thread. Yeah I noticed that when reading the OP. Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes It must be quite an impact for Gallente new recruits to form up in Villore for the first few times, jump into the FW theater in OMS and read in their monitors "Occupancy: Caldari State". I am sure they must feel a great trust in the leadership of whatever FC or corp is leading them. A glowing warm fuzzy feeling of positive believe, no room for doubt in their heads, a great moral boost... The impact is absolutely massive indeed. They ask us: "What does that mean? What's the effect of that?" and we reply "Nothing". And you know what's funny? We're right!
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Edited by: Ronin Reborn on 08/04/2009 07:28:34 So your retort is that plexing changes.....plexing (rat spawns). You've said that no one is trying to stop you so why are you bragging? Do you want someone to care? Do you want a medal like Ankh? I don't understand the point of the thread. edit::grammar The point of this thread sir Robin Reborn, of Wrath of Ferris, is that WE have indeed created something that didn't matter to you, in fact matter. Your repeated replies to this thread is exactly what I wanted to take from you, just like your regions. I have manipulated you and others in the gal militia to post here, therefore sir I have accomplished my goal. We win. Thank you for playing...NEXT! AX "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
Serapo Petrotestes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Jin Gle im pretty sure they dont really give a damm. also; is every caldari FW pilot a roleplayer or something? Do you get a massive e-peen from looking at the occupancy of a system? Role playing? This is RL. I have flown with plenty of bad FCs and it sucks, no fun. So, if you are new and don't know any of the FW regulars on your side and they ask you to bring a big shiney expensive ship to go on an op, then they jump into OMS and see the occupany status, then they check the statistics in the ingame militia tab and see kills last week: Caldari got more kills, Gallente the least number of kills in FW..., yeah, I am sure they don't give a damn.
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Raimo Fact is that the PVP- centric FW (the free mass wardec bit and the hisec mechanics) offers gameplay not found elsewhere in EVE. I enjoy it so I stay in FW, is that too hard to understand? No deccing hassles, no locator agents, no sentry guns, no bubbles, almost no POSes and instead a lot of small gang/ solo fights in whatever you fancy flying and a lot of frigate action at gates and even in plexes! That's fun to me, I don't wanna go blinky or go to 0.0 as I have my fun right here in FW. 100% agreed, one of the best reasons to join up is the free war dec of 5000 pilots. I clearly understand why the majority of pvp'ers join the Gallente... Oh snap... Did I just bite? AX "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Atraxerxes Originally by: Raimo Fact is that the PVP- centric FW (the free mass wardec bit and the hisec mechanics) offers gameplay not found elsewhere in EVE. I enjoy it so I stay in FW, is that too hard to understand? No deccing hassles, no locator agents, no sentry guns, no bubbles, almost no POSes and instead a lot of small gang/ solo fights in whatever you fancy flying and a lot of frigate action at gates and even in plexes! That's fun to me, I don't wanna go blinky or go to 0.0 as I have my fun right here in FW. 100% agreed, one of the best reasons to join up is the free war dec of 5000 pilots. I clearly understand why the majority of pvp'ers join the Gallente... Oh snap... Did I just bite? AX LOL! ---
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:08:00 - [63] Originally by: Droog 1 You think... I think you wasted a lot of time posting this reply and I am grateful. Originally by: Droog 1 Ps Wolfy sigs are funny. Yes they are, I have started a collection and will be posting them up for a vote as to which one is the funniest. AX "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
Mazare Mircea Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:15:00 - [64] Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 08/04/2009 15:15:35 Originally by: Atraxerxes Originally by: Ronin Reborn Plexing doesn't matter. We're not playing your version of Faction Warfare. So Bueller, how's is it again that Plexing doesn't matter. See because the last time I checked, the company that created EVE, you know, CCP, kind of wrote this little thing into the code called occupancy. And once again, you taking the bait and posting here, proves my point that it does. If you didn't care you would have read this thread and said "meh". We're under your skin, you've been infected and you're going to help spread our name across the galaxy. AX Just because they wrote the code like that, it doesn't mean they know how players will use it. That's why MMO's are rebalanced constantly, and that's why FW right now is a waste of time. ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ? WTS - Vepas's Modified Invulnerability Field
Tropic9 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Atraxerxes Your repeated replies to this thread is exactly what I wanted to take from you, just like your regions. Only you didn't. You took nothing. All you did was change one bit of inconsequential text into another bit of inconsequential text. Go you..... Originally by: Atraxerxes I have manipulated you and others in the gal militia to post here, therefore sir I have accomplished my goal. We win. Thank you for playing...NEXT! "It was my plan all along muhahahaha???". Non stated, hidden goals are great eh? Our goal was just to spam our new sigs around. Thank you for playing.... Oh and please keep providing us with more quotes to put in them. You're doing a great job.
Tropic9 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Atraxerxes Yes they are, I have started a collection and will be posting them up for a vote as to which one is the funniest. Please wait for a little longer? There are a couple more coming in that we need to assign to pilots.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:27:00 - [67] And get said pilots to post in CAOD Jr. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Nius KIncaid Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:32:00 - [68] Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! Well you said trolling was welcome :) After we killed your buddy We took a major plex in tama. where were you?
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:43:00 - [69] Originally by: Nius KIncaid Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! Well you said trolling was welcome :) After we killed your buddy We took a major plex in tama. where were you? He was asleep m8. ---
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:48:00 - [70] Originally by: Nius KIncaid Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! Well you said trolling was welcome :) After we killed your buddy We took a major plex in tama. where were you? Indeed at 2am I was fast asleep dreaming of women, fast cars and oodles of cash :) Good to see you actually took on a wolfy member though, our experience has shown you run as soon as we enter system To Daimoto Kurashi
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:25:00 - [71] Originally by: alexis steele Edited by: alexis steele on 08/04/2009 09:34:21 Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! mmmmmmm stabbed up ehh? never go to find pvp ehh? i sir must say that you are full of it :) the main thing i enjoy in FW is killing my enemys in high sec where they think they are safe from us :) looks like tama is next, although might be a bit harder due to pirates :) Nooo, don't take alexis away from us! I have waay too much fun ganking her rigged hyperions :D
Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:31:00 - [72] Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! Well you said trolling was welcome :) So do we just have to come and fight to get your approval or win as well? Also I do believe our killboards are public now so you should be able to look at our losses and point out all those stabbed pilots. (although they may not of lost a ship lol...) As far as I know we don't stab our ships for plexing, we do have some people who run a speed tanking fit that is not to great for PVP, or people like me that just have no confidence in solo pvp and run... I did warp into a plex once in a Griffin and have three WT's in frigates run out of the plex and the system! kind of interesting and a shame as I wanted to shoot them. (and offer some blackcurrent jam) @ Ax: "nice regions we'll take them" is too BOB I like your "Green doesn't work for us I think we'll paint this system Blue" more.
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:46:00 - [73] Edited by: X Gallentius on 08/04/2009 16:48:47 Edited by: X Gallentius on 08/04/2009 16:47:19 New smack tag for local. Originally by: Turelus As far as I know we don't stab our ships for plexing Now you know. Meet the King of Warp Stabs: http://www.funkstars.net/microfunks/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1689 http://www.funkstars.net/microfunks/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1681
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:52:00 - [74] Originally by: X Gallentius Edited by: X Gallentius on 08/04/2009 16:48:47 Edited by: X Gallentius on 08/04/2009 16:47:19 New smack tag for local. Originally by: Turelus As far as I know we don't stab our ships for plexing Now you know. Meet the King of Warp Stabs: http://www.funkstars.net/microfunks/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1689 http://www.funkstars.net/microfunks/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1681 Fixed your links. And lol at the stabbed 22nd. Nuff said. :P ---
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:58:00 - [75] Originally by: Raimo And lol at the stabbed 22nd. Nuff said. :P Please post your favorite 22nd wcs kill here.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:58:00 - [76] How about stabbed wolfy then? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 17:03:00 - [77] Edited by: Raimo on 08/04/2009 17:05:21 Originally by: Damar Rocarion How about stabbed wolfy then? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General I don't know if what is said in the comments is true or not (it being a KM glitch and that the stab was actually in the cargo? I don't know if those are possible) but there is a HUGE difference in that killmail to the 22nd guy: He had a (pimp) point fitted, and thus probably intended to fight... :P (And checking related kills was in fact involved in a related kill, popping a PERV in that Cynabal... So no, doesn't qualify m8) ---
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.04.08 17:08:00 - [78] blah blah blah blah blah Plexing is the CTF part of FW. Kinda like Quake, if you get your rocks off on K/D ratio, be my guest, but the guy who can point to the most caps on the score board gets his kick that way.
Caffeine Overdose More-Cowbell	Posted - 2009.04.08 17:31:00 - [79] Originally by: Jin Gle also; is every caldari FW pilot a roleplayer or something? Do you get a massive e-peen from looking at the occupancy of a system? Nope... Some of us couldent care less. It's good to se some flaming to ge the puls up of the whole FW thing tho, cuz it's been kinda dead lately. But i think it would suit better in CAOD, since it's already been GOONified.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.08 17:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Raimo Edited by: Raimo on 08/04/2009 17:05:21 Originally by: Damar Rocarion How about stabbed wolfy then? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General I don't know if what is said in the comments is true or not (it being a KM glitch and that the stab was actually in the cargo? I don't know if those are possible) but there is a HUGE difference in that killmail to the 22nd guy: He had a (pimp) point fitted, and thus probably intended to fight... :P (And checking related kills was in fact involved in a related kill, popping a PERV in that Cynabal... So no, doesn't qualify m8) Quite odd don't you think? When WOLFY stabs up ships, its a glitch in killmail? Maybe you should ask derog, or better yet, check you corp API. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.08 17:43:00 - [81] The best 22nd pilot ever. 13 kills, and has never lost a ship. http://22ndbrdu.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39037&view=losses Plexing is PvP
Selous Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:22:00 - [82] Originally by: X Gallentius Edited by: X Gallentius on 08/04/2009 17:52:58 The best 22nd pilot ever. 13 kills, and has never lost a ship. http://22ndbrdu.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39037&view=losses Plexing is PvP Thankyou for pointing out a pilot that you are putting forward as the epitome of caldari pvp prowess. 13 kills no losses , my my very impressive. no solo kills hmmm on 1 kill he did 45% of the damage , on another 34% WOW on lots of the others he failed to make double digits in terms of his share of the damage. I am really glad you put this pilot on a pedestal as the pvp pilot you aspire to equeal. ( I could not have picked a better example to sum up the caldari pilots I tend to meet)
Selous Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:29:00 - [83] Originally by: X Gallentius Edit, Another one: http://www.quafeultra.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=113992 deary me I should have looked at this one before I posted. Your shining god of caldari pvp prowess did lose a ship a ship with 2 wcs fitted with ecm fitted appears to have been tackled by a cov - ops
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:33:00 - [84] Originally by: X Gallentius Edited by: X Gallentius on 08/04/2009 17:52:58 The best 22nd pilot ever. 13 kills, and has never lost a ship. http://22ndbrdu.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39037&view=losses Plexing is PvP Edit, Another one: http://www.quafeultra.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=113992 I've been watching those 22nd boards for a while to try and hunt the 22nd, and they are VERY bad about posting their losses. http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=172938 Look there for a better idea of how that pilot actually performs.
Nius KIncaid Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 19:01:00 - [85] Originally by: chatgris Originally by: X Gallentius Edited by: X Gallentius on 08/04/2009 17:52:58 The best 22nd pilot ever. 13 kills, and has never lost a ship. http://22ndbrdu.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39037&view=losses Plexing is PvP Edit, Another one: http://www.quafeultra.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=113992 I've been watching those 22nd boards for a while to try and hunt the 22nd, and they are VERY bad about posting their losses. http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=172938 Look there for a better idea of how that pilot actually performs. I find that quite embarressing and have said so on our own boards, I don't profess to be an elite pvper, just a another noob learning the fight game. Personally I post all my losses those with the 22nd can be found on our boards, the rest on battle clinic if your so inclined to search. I joined Fwar to fight, I still do a good bit of plexing, and can say the crew I regularly fly with don't warp stab. We will and like to fight.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.08 19:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Nius KIncaid I joined Fwar to fight, I still do a good bit of plexing, and can say the crew I regularly fly with don't warp stab. We will and like to fight. I can confirm that most of the 22nd will turn and fight most of the time (even if I need to chase one for 15 jumps to be led into a trap, but having said that they will definitely fight to hold on to plexes ). Don't want my above post to be taken as trolling the 22nd :D Sure, there are a few who will always run, but they are generally very new characters.
Loren Gallen Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:42:00 - [87] Edited by: Loren Gallen on 08/04/2009 20:42:58 Originally by: Tropic9 Originally by: Atraxerxes Yes they are, I have started a collection and will be posting them up for a vote as to which one is the funniest. Please wait for a little longer? There are a couple more coming in that we need to assign to pilots. You guys have already written so much in this thread, debating the different opinions, no need for me to add anything else, but... Atra, please don't post the collection without my signature!
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:44:00 - [88] Originally by: X Gallentius Now you know. Meet the King of Warp Stabs: The queen of warpcore stabs does better. Wheee... ---
TooNu Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 21:06:00 - [89] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 08/04/2009 18:58:55 I've been watching those 22nd boards for a while to try and hunt the 22nd, and they are VERY bad about posting their losses. http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=172938 Look there for a better idea of how that pilot actually performs. EDIT: Not that it really matters since it is their internal kb, it's just not a good place to gather intel on how they actually perform. Marcus is the most dedicated FW pilot we have and he is the first to admit his PVP ability. We post our losses, we are told to post our losses, we make it a habit to post our losses. Our corp KB is VERY new so I assume you never looked at the old one because it would paint a different picture. Now let me tell you how to investigate properly, go to the Caldari Killboard and search for any 22nd pilot you like. We have been using this KB since the start so let's have less singling out and more EvE ingame yes? :) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=home
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.08 21:13:00 - [90] Originally by: TooNu Marcus is the most dedicated FW pilot we have... Now let me tell you how to investigate properly, go to the Caldari Killboard and search for any 22nd pilot you like. We have been using this KB since the start so let's have less singling out and more EvE ingame yes? :) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=home For completeness: http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=41731&view=losses Plexing is PvP
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 21:34:00 - [91] Originally by: chatgris I've been watching those 22nd boards for a while to try and hunt the 22nd, and they are VERY bad about posting their losses... EDIT: Not that it really matters since it is their internal kb, it's just not a good place to gather intel on how they actually perform. The current public board we have at www.2ndbrdu.com is still a work in progress. Being more intune with web design than web coding I haven't gotten the API for my toon to link up and draw kills & losses automatically as it did with our griefwatch board. That being said I also have not instituted a mandatory "post all losses" order for the corp as I'm still looking at ways to make the KB private. No reason pilots need to give out fitting intel so easily. So in response to those accusations I take full responsibility. As far as the 22nd stabbing ships, those loses posted above are the first I've seen of that and is one person out of 106 pilots. Short of convoys of BS relocating, or haulers, stabbing is not something we practice or encourage. AX "Green isn't a good color for us. I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.08 21:35:00 - [92] Edited by: chatgris on 08/04/2009 21:40:33 Originally by: TooNu Marcus is the most dedicated FW pilot we have and he is the first to admit his PVP ability. We post our losses, we are told to post our losses, we make it a habit to post our losses. Our corp KB is VERY new so I assume you never looked at the old one because it would paint a different picture. Now let me tell you how to investigate properly, go to the Caldari Killboard and search for any 22nd pilot you like. We have been using this KB since the start so let's have less singling out and more EvE ingame yes? :) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=home Well, if you use that kb then I assume the evesco killboards sc**** from that, which would explain the losses on that board. I wasn't trying to troll, just correct the zomg pilot with 13 kills and 0 losses post. Regardless, let me rephrase: Your corp is very bad about posting losses on the http://22ndbrdu.com/kb/?a=home killboard, which I assumed you used frequently since it is after all on your own domain :). There are definitely kills that I've got against your corp quite recently that aren't there. Anyways, point is, I don't think that using your corp killboard is accurate, since for whatever reason, there are a lot of losses you guys don't post there. And I do know how to investigate, I did in fact post the link with his actual losses did I not? :D. I am always watching you 22nd! ALWAYS . I use many intel sources. EDIT: And while I was posting this response, atrax posted his above message, pretty much making this point void. Also, lol @ s c r a p e being a filtered word.
Ganja Ree Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.04.08 21:45:00 - [93] Meh. Quote: I feel, I am, I am not. Am I?
Lief Siddhe Independent Faction	Posted - 2009.04.08 22:00:00 - [94] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche u measure ur epeen by plexing, others measure theirs by killmails. Both have no greater consequence ingame except as something to smack/brag about. Enjoy this, basically I was somewhere Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold...
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.08 22:06:00 - [95] None of you won, because I did. ---
Capt Thryss	Posted - 2009.04.08 22:57:00 - [96] Quote: I've been watching those 22nd boards for a while to try and hunt the 22nd, and they are VERY bad about posting their losses. http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=172938 Look there for a better idea of how that pilot actually performs. EDIT: Not that it really matters since it is their internal kb, it's just not a good place to gather intel on how they actually perform. As a member of the 22nd I don't post my kill or losses on any public board....if you kill me post it your self....but I don't post any of my kills on any public board unless someone else (non 22nd) is on the kill. But all 22nd member always post ALL of our losses on our internal board. Idk I just could care less about posting on public boards when most people (on both militias) aren't very good at posting.
Mac The'Knife 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.08 23:21:00 - [97] Edited by: Mac The''Knife on 08/04/2009 23:24:02 I would have thought this thread would have been moved to caod due to the epic content thus far. Smack, Flames and KB battles... all we need now is a disgruntled player to disband the Caldari state. The reality, as mentioned earlier in this thread, is FW is really a game mechanic for accessible PvP. Without, getting small gang PvP can be work. Join FW and you have thousands of WTs instantly. I hate running plexes, and they are boring as hell. There is not enough incentive to take and hold enemy territory(even though I find a little humor that the FW map looks like the Caldari state is putting a huge boot to Gal space.) Despite this, I plex because it is easier then system jumping and system scanning for fights. As someone who is far to reckless in his engagements and does not care about his KD ratio, I do not believe a WCS should be on anything other then an indy or a ship you are transporting. In Marcus's defense, that man PvPs in the same ship. Ill even give a pass on Wolfy's out of character wcs lossmail, as they tend to come out with the intention of bringing a fight. So the KB battle is is a wash, and best be left to caod and complaints of self destructing caps. All in all, FW is what you make of it. Hopefully all this mild flaming induces some more shooty shooty on both sides. edited to make my grammah more betterer "In an hour of Darkness a blind man is the best guide. In an age of Insanity look to the madman to lead the way."
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.09 00:06:00 - [98] shudders the amount of e-peen in this thread scares me And most of it is coming from WOLFY... Anyone who tells you that the 22nd runs from every fight hasn't fought us much, because I don't know if you guys have noticed but we LOVE to PvP. We may not be the best at it but we spend hours looking for wartargets to kill, which sucks because there are never wartargets around when we bring out our good ships. Side note: Ankhesentapemkah go glory whoring somewhere else, srsly
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.09 02:32:00 - [99] Edited by: Kessiaan on 09/04/2009 02:33:22 Like I've said before, it's really hard to stand against the Caldari militia plex machine when you're outnumbered three, four, five to one on a regular basis in whatever system(s) you're trying to contest or hold. All you can really do is grab what plexes you can when you can and hide in the station when the blob inevitably comes. Also doesn't help that I'm mostly restricted to playing on weekends for the time being, but nothing you can do to help me there :). I haven't had a chance to fight much against PERVs, personally I have to tip my hat to CAIN as the 'best' pvp corp I see on a regular basis on the Caldari side. The 22nd has been getting better but still known mainly as plex spinners who stab up and run away unless they have 3:1 odds and NPC support. Losing so many systems annoys me, but in the end it doesn't make any real difference so we have all the time in the world to come up with some kind of effective resistance, or just wait until all the Caldari plexers get bored and figure out defensive plexing (because they flipped all the Gallente systems) doesn't get them anything and go somewhere else. At least with offensive plexes I make some good money. Shame it's all in tags and salvage though, not everyone can have an alt in a dedicated salvage dessy follow them around, and it's completely not worth it to BM and come back later 99% of the time. Fake Edit: The comment about this forum being training for CAOD is lulz
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.09 02:37:00 - [100] Originally by: Kessiaan The 22nd has been getting better but still known mainly as plex spinners who stab up and run away unless they have 3:1 odds and NPC support. Bullcrap and you know it. Show me the killmails that prove that the majority of the 22nd Stabs. I've never stabbed a PvP or PvE ship in my life. And you one to talk Kess, You stab your Tristans all the freaking time.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.09 02:51:00 - [101] Originally by: Shun Makoto And your one to talk Kess, You stab your Tristans all the freaking time. lol. I've flown the exact same Tristan fit for the last six months, though I am retiring that fit soon in favor of a new Rifter fit, as my missile skills are still crap and my gunnery skills are pretty good now. I do stab T1 haulers since they get harassed by highsec raiders sometimes, but I really don't see any shame in that :P Also, wouldn't stabbed fits not show up on KBs very often, because, well, they're stabbed? Also I never said the 22nd is a bunch of WCS lame-os, only that they have that reputation.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.09 03:02:00 - [102] We know you stab your ships, after having points on your and you warping off with said points on your ships.
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.09 03:14:00 - [103] You guys "didn't know" your own corp member stabbed his ships even though your killboard has said otherwise for the past 8 months! Credibility? No. Plexing is PvP
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.09 03:32:00 - [104] Originally by: Shun Makoto We know you stab your ships, after having points on your and you warping off with said points on your ships. Examples? 'cause I honestly have no idea what you're on about at this point.
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.09 04:23:00 - [105] Edited by: Lord Zekk on 09/04/2009 04:23:52 I'm not sure what the other 22nd pilots are talking about coz I haven't been very active in the past. As far as I know none of (barring one or two exceptions that I might be unaware of) the 22nd pilots use WCS, i just gimps your setup when you get into a fight. Second I haven't come across any of the better known Gal militia chaps using WCS either. The 22nd do plex a lot and we do fight a lot. @ the 22nd pilots. I know it sucks when people say stuff about our corp that isn't true especially when we are aware of the high standard that we are held to by our leaders and corp members, but don't get sucked into a the 22nd are cowardly stabbed up plexers who can't pvp to save their lives and only fight when outnumbering their opposition argument. It's pointless.
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.09 04:53:00 - [106] grabs some popcorn keep posting guys, this is great stuff!
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.09 06:14:00 - [107] Originally by: Shun Makoto We know you stab your ships, after having points on your and you warping off with said points on your ships. This at gates? You certain it's not the module lag "feature" m8... We see that a lot. Tho I'm sure some are stabbed as well :P ---
Doktor Soet Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.09 07:11:00 - [108] Originally by: Raimo Originally by: Shun Makoto We know you stab your ships, after having points on your and you warping off with said points on your ships. This at gates? You certain it's not the module lag "feature" m8... We see that a lot. Tho I'm sure some are stabbed as well :P mehhh he possibly means my smartbombing ship... but honestly wouldn`t u stab ur sb bs? heavy dictors = problem solved
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.09 07:15:00 - [109] Originally by: Doktor Soet mehhh he possibly means my smartbombing ship... but honestly wouldn`t u stab ur sb bs? heavy dictors = problem solved Ahh. Yeah stabbing up a SB BS seems like a no brainer, lol. Btw problem is HIC != Destroyer ---
Vasili Z Pyre of Gods	Posted - 2009.04.09 07:52:00 - [110] Who cares about occupancy? I went plexing for about 5 minutes before I realized I'd rather cut myself. You can still dock at the stations and use all the services so I'm never gonna plex. ****'s boring as hell. ------- Eve requires no skill anymore
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.09 08:02:00 - [111] Quote: Like I've said before, it's really hard to stand against the Caldari militia plex machine when you're outnumbered three, four, five to one on a regular basis in whatever system(s) you're trying to contest or hold. And this is why FW victory and rewards cannot be "persistent" like many want. Like in other PvP "many vs many" MMOs, there's usually a faction imbalance and this leads to a side to steamroll the other. Shortly after, since people pay a game and to have fun and good feeling, they get tired of being someone else's doormat and quit the war or switch side, creating a snowball effect. So, game mechanics are put in place so that even if a side annihilates the other, the victory is not permanent and can always be reversed. In 0.0 instead, there's no safety nets, you are supposed to play with the big boys only if you believe your shoulders can take it.
Juan Rayo Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.09 08:41:00 - [112] Personally I find the 22nd peeps awesome to fight. Wait, I'm doing this thread wrong aren't I? Endurecete cabr=n!
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.09 08:41:00 - [113] Originally by: Shun Makoto shudders the amount of e-peen in this thread scares me And most of it is coming from WOLFY... Anyone who tells you that the 22nd runs from every fight hasn't fought us much, because I don't know if you guys have noticed but we LOVE to PvP. We may not be the best at it but we spend hours looking for wartargets to kill, which sucks because there are never wartargets around when we bring out our good ships. So in a thread entitled "why caldari have won FW" started by a member of 22nd its WOLFY thats spreading the e-peen? All we are doing is simply pointing out that you fit stabs which you deny, you run from fights which you deny and you're cr*p at pvp which of course you deny. Is there any post on this thread where a wolfy pack member mentions how good we are? No, this thread was started by the 22nd as a propaganda instrument, we are just politely pointing out how unbelievably poor you really are. If you wish to disprove that we will be waiting for you, we are tired of trying to come after you because you always, without fail, turn tail and RUN! Oh and I beieve the thread also encouraged trolling so who am I to let the op down eh To Daimoto Kurashi
Vincent Death Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:15:00 - [114] So do you care about plexing or not? Your lips say no, but your heart says yes. I love you. The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism.
Kingwood Amarr Defile.	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:44:00 - [115] I can confirm this is the nerdiest thread. FW sucks and noone cares whether you guys plex and flex your awesome PvP-muscles.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.09 11:17:00 - [116] Originally by: Atraxerxes Originally by: Droog 1 You think... I think you wasted a lot of time posting this reply and I am grateful. 2 minutes. Maybe you could take the time to reply and refute what I said. Or maybe you would like to compare your Complex running Corp to a PvP Corp by mentioning the 22nd in the same sentence as PERVS again. For the Caldari Militia PvP=Player versus Plex.
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.09 11:57:00 - [117] Originally by: Juan Rayo Personally I find the 22nd peeps awesome to fight. Wait, I'm doing this thread wrong aren't I? Yeah, this is the trolling thread not the feel good thread. More troll, less props. Keep Anna happy!
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.09 16:40:00 - [118] Edited by: Anna Sophia on 09/04/2009 16:40:51 Originally by: X Gallentius Originally by: Juan Rayo Personally I find the 22nd peeps awesome to fight. Wait, I'm doing this thread wrong aren't I? Yeah, this is the trolling thread not the feel good thread. More troll, less props. Keep Anna happy! I know right?! Gosh Juan! The last thing we need are compliments from a Gallente corp that actually knows how to play FW properly. Let's get the ball rolling again... uh.. hmm... How many Gallente does it take to flip a system? No ones knows, it's never been done before.... muahahaha... debate, argue, continue! gets more popcorn
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.04.09 16:47:00 - [119] Originally by: Droog 1 Or maybe you would like to compare your Complex running Corp to a PvP Corp by mentioning the 22nd in the same sentence as PERVS again. PERVS are top pvp and plexing corp? So what was your point again? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Micah Harper	Posted - 2009.04.09 19:31:00 - [120] Edited by: Micah Harper on 09/04/2009 19:31:52 Originally by: Raimo Originally by: Shun Makoto We know you stab your ships, after having points on your and you warping off with said points on your ships. This at gates? You certain it's not the module lag "feature" m8... We see that a lot. Tho I'm sure some are stabbed as well :P No this happened inside the actual plexes themselves. Damn this forum, keeps reseting to characters I don't use anymore...need to terminate them... - Shun Makoto
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.09 19:43:00 - [121] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Originally by: Shun Makoto shudders the amount of e-peen in this thread scares me And most of it is coming from WOLFY... Anyone who tells you that the 22nd runs from every fight hasn't fought us much, because I don't know if you guys have noticed but we LOVE to PvP. We may not be the best at it but we spend hours looking for wartargets to kill, which sucks because there are never wartargets around when we bring out our good ships. So in a thread entitled "why caldari have won FW" started by a member of 22nd its WOLFY thats spreading the e-peen? All we are doing is simply pointing out that you fit stabs which you deny, you run from fights which you deny and you're cr*p at pvp which of course you deny. Is there any post on this thread where a wolfy pack member mentions how good we are? No, this thread was started by the 22nd as a propaganda instrument, we are just politely pointing out how unbelievably poor you really are. If you wish to disprove that we will be waiting for you, we are tired of trying to come after you because you always, without fail, turn tail and RUN! Oh and I beieve the thread also encouraged trolling so who am I to let the op down eh Whoa whoa whoa, slow down turbo, none of us (the 22nd) said we were awesome at PvP. We may have members who are awesome at it (looks at Kruger and Alexis briefly), but I myself am crap at it (unless I'm in a 60 man blob...then I'm decent). All I've been stating is that we don't shy away from PvP like you've been accusing us of doing. TBH I'm seeing alot of crap fly from WOLFY members who I've never even seen in local before. So either your targeting our newbie recruits, or your overview is messed up.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.09 23:11:00 - [122] Edited by: Kessiaan on 09/04/2009 23:13:57 Originally by: Micah Harper No this happened inside the actual plexes themselves. Well, if you guys can't tell the difference between competent manuevering and stabs, I'll take that as a compliment. You do know the point falls off the moment the target moves out of range, even though the module will stay active until it finishes its current cycle, right? There's also some lag between when you active a point and when it takes effect (one game tick, you can tell if you look in your logs, it's especially obvious if you one-shot someone - you'll see the point deactivation message but no message telling you you started trying to warp scramble someone) Um.. trolling. I dunno... I can sit here and argue about my e-honor all night though, it's not like I have anything better to do. Stuck at work sigh Edit: Here's a good troll! ahem I'll be back tommorrow night! You all know where I operate out of - maybe I'll see you then, but knowing the squiddies you'll probably all show up in drakes or something even though you know I can't fly anything bigger than a frigate worth a crap.
AshenShugar01 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.10 08:08:00 - [123] A lot of mud thrown at 22nd here when its not the corp as a whole that uses stabs. There are some members who seem to fit stabs and always run, pretty cowardly and lame if u ask me... why not turn and fight? I was in a Major plex in Suj last week in an incursus with full aggro from the rats and the 22nd Merlin was stabbed and ran. Would've killed me easy if he'd just turn and fight. However I have met an unforutnate end at the hands of 22nd too and my hat goes off to the members that really do know how to fight. There was a time in Heyd when i didnt even know what hit me.... u got my pod too o7
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.10 08:20:00 - [124] Edited by: Parmenides Elea on 10/04/2009 08:23:18 Edited by: Parmenides Elea on 10/04/2009 08:21:24 Originally by: AshenShugar01 A lot of mud thrown at 22nd here when its not the corp as a whole that uses stabs. There are some members who seem to fit stabs and always run, pretty cowardly and lame if u ask me... why not turn and fight? I was in a Major plex in Suj last week in an incursus with full aggro from the rats and the 22nd Merlin was stabbed and ran. Would've killed me easy if he'd just turn and fight. However I have met an unforutnate end at the hands of 22nd too and my hat goes off to the members that really do know how to fight. There was a time in Heyd when i didnt even know what hit me.... u got my pod too o7 Ash! What are you doing man! This isn't a thread for talking sense! The op encouraged trolling so thats exactly what we are doing, smack it baby! Right back to topic, if 22nd ARE that good and can actually turn up to a fight without docking or running at the first sign of us locking them then they know where to find us P.S. If you could wait until next week that would be great, my tinternet at home is down so no pewpew for me atm
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.13 05:38:00 - [125] I'm bringing it back man. AX EVE #1 (& currently only) podcast "Fly Reckless" Fly Reckless Voted "Best New Comer" EON Magazine 2009. Listen to it today
Pride NL The Legendaries	Posted - 2009.04.13 06:46:00 - [126] Yes you have won. But so have I. My goal is to have PVP next door, and I have it. You guys bring it each time. Cheers! No One Better
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.13 09:48:00 - [127] So how is the war going? Killboards are alot quieter since the "PLEXERS" declared victory.
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.13 14:54:00 - [128] Yeah we took a break to set up a bunch of PoS's in VV and placid over the weekend. AX EVE #1 (& currently only) podcast "Fly Reckless" Fly Reckless Voted "Best New Comer" EON Magazine 2009. Listen to it today
Snake O'Donell Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.13 17:37:00 - [129] Originally by: Atraxerxes Yeah we took a break to set up a bunch of PoS's in VV and placid over the weekend. AX POSes? \o/ More stuff for me to kill. Nothing is more statisfying than blowing up a billion ISK POS.
Hakaryu Lionheart	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:14:00 - [130] After all of the above is said and done, the fact of the matter at hand still remains. Caldari is alone at the top of the FW game. Noone is even close, no challengers in site, pun and misspelling intended =). Gally and Minny tremble in fear and continue to lose system after system. I find it interesting that the only systems that gally especially can hold are the ones a single jump from their high sec - Oh well *shrug Bring it!
Princess Lolita Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:22:00 - [131] I heard that PERVS CEO is MIA and he is really going to leave FW pretty soon, c/d? snip Don't use the signature again -Eldo Davip([email protected]) Ebil Eldo-uncle touched my private places Q_Q
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:35:00 - [132] Originally by: Snake O'Donell Originally by: Atraxerxes Yeah we took a break to set up a bunch of PoS's in VV and placid over the weekend. AX POSes? \o/ More stuff for me to kill. Nothing is more statisfying than blowing up a billion ISK POS. A 22nd pos... I bet it has npc's orbiting it ;P The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.13 21:46:00 - [133] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Atraxerxes Yeah we took a break to set up a bunch of PoS's in VV and placid over the weekend. AX A 22nd pos... I bet it has npc's orbiting it ;P Dude?! did CCP Chrontis tell you... Man that dude can't keep a secret. Next thing you know he'll let the cat out of the bag about putting Torps on Stealth Bombers. AX EVE's #1 (& currently only) podcast "Fly Reckless" Fly Reckless Voted "Best New Comer" EON Magazine 2009. Listen to it today
Sidicarus	Posted - 2009.04.13 22:02:00 - [134] We dont care about Plexs.... Its hard enough to muster a fleet considering the lack of qualified (or any) FC's. Your numbers are quite superior. What your pilots, ships and FC's lack in quality, you more then make up for in pure quantity. Face it Caldari, capturing plex's is cake. Its easy and its boring. If i want to do PvE, I do lv4's... the payout is much better. So go ahead and claim victory over the NPC Gallente Navy all you want, that's fine we really don't care.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.13 22:12:00 - [135] Hmmm POSes. Yummy. Originally by: Hakaryu Lionheart After all of the above is said and done, the fact of the matter at hand still remains. Caldari is alone at the top of the FW game. If, when you say alone, you mean the only Militia that thinks FW can be won by capturing plexes you are right. General Militia Statistics - All Time Averages Amarr Empire 0.041 kills daily per member 3.125 VPs daily per member Gallente Federation 0.037 kills daily per member 2.509 VPs daily per member Minmatar Republic 0.034 kills daily per member 2.322 VPs daily per member Caldari State 0.025 kills daily per member 1.782 VPs daily per member Originally by: Hakaryu Lionheart Caldari is alone at the top of the FW game Nope. I double checked and you are still at the bottom in 4th place.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.14 02:36:00 - [136] Edited by: chatgris on 14/04/2009 02:47:39 Alright, so far I have mostly failed at trolling in this thread, but I have come across a golden piece of material while lurking on the 22nd public forums (instead of working on schoolwork :P ), so here goes. A quote by Turelus, at this link http://www.22ndbrdu.com/forums/index.php?topic=34.0 Quote: Serapo & Marcus - For always screaming at us to go plex and not pew pew. This is a major contributing factor to your winning. It really is plexing or pew pew most of the time. After losing some fights to you guys in plexes at the fall of heyd, I tried to go plex, but after one or two days, I just couldn't bring myself to do it anymore! Sitting in a system, alone, orbiting a beacon (or watching wt's come and go), I might as well be running missions, at least that earns me ISK, and doesn't drop my faction standing. Yes, I will plex when I see one open AND there is a target in the system, but otherwise, I'm not going to drop my combat effectiveness for a probe launcher, and I SURE as hell can't stand using my game time to grind away at 14 plexes (NEVER AGAIN, I wanted to cut myself after that) in a contested system (no-one came into the system all night). Sure, doing so is crucial to making the system vulnerable, but it's mostly pvp based on who can handle the boredom more! That is why you've won the system capturing game. You were able to get the people who play the game to give up on pew pew and instead grind away at plexes. Yes, you'll still get some good fights out of it, but a LOT of the work is done in the EU timezone (also gleaned from your corp forums) when there aren't that many gal pilots flying. You have superior corp discipline, for a task that for many is not very rewarding. And finally, this one is really just to appease Anna :P I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY THAT YOU CAPTURE ALL THE SYSTEMS IN FW, AND FOCUS ON PEW PEW INSTEAD OF PLEXING!!1!111! /appeasing Anna /troll mode off Having said that, congrats on your capture, it sure is something I, and much of the gal militia, couldn't do. I will still work on organizing (and training some decent cruiser skills :D ) to fight you in the plexes, but ultimately, I think you will capture every system in the end since the gal militia doesn't seem to have the stomach for the behind the scenes mass plex capture that is required to really contest the systems. Anna, I hope you are enjoying your popcorn :D
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.14 03:21:00 - [137] No one cares about FW...at least when people smack CAOD about alliances, they are smacking alliances that own/don't own space...FW does not reward anyone with anything, yet you act like it gives you bragging rights blobbing people, lol :) Besides, the fact that you made a corp especially for FW...well, ew.
Pride NL The Legendaries	Posted - 2009.04.14 03:51:00 - [138] Originally by: Sidicarus We dont care about Plexs.... Its hard enough to muster a fleet considering the lack of qualified (or any) FC's. Your numbers are quite superior. What your pilots, ships and FC's lack in quality, you more then make up for in pure quantity. Face it Caldari, capturing plex's is cake. Its easy and its boring. If i want to do PvE, I do lv4's... the payout is much better. So go ahead and claim victory over the NPC Gallente Navy all you want, that's fine we really don't care. Lies! I care! I Sleep bad at night because Caldari now owns OMS! No One Better
Juan Rayo Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.14 04:38:00 - [139] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov No one cares about FW...at least when people smack CAOD about alliances, they are smacking alliances that own/don't own space...FW does not reward anyone with anything, yet you act like it gives you bragging rights blobbing people, lol :) Besides, the fact that you made a corp especially for FW...well, ew. Yeah, why don't you come tell us how to have fun man? we certainly need that, we not beeing as uber as you are and all that. Or better yet, since you don't care at all, don't come here talking crap. Yeah, that sounds much better. Endurecete cabr=n!
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.14 05:46:00 - [140] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 14/04/2009 02:47:39 Alright, so far I have mostly failed at trolling in this thread, but I have come across a golden piece of material while lurking on the 22nd public forums (instead of working on schoolwork :P ), so here goes. A quote by Turelus, at this link http://www.22ndbrdu.com/forums/index.php?topic=34.0 Quote: Serapo & Marcus - For always screaming at us to go plex and not pew pew. This is a major contributing factor to your winning. It really is plexing or pew pew most of the time. After losing some fights to you guys in plexes at the fall of heyd, I tried to go plex, but after one or two days, I just couldn't bring myself to do it anymore! Sitting in a system, alone, orbiting a beacon (or watching wt's come and go), I might as well be running missions, at least that earns me ISK, and doesn't drop my faction standing. Yes, I will plex when I see one open AND there is a target in the system, but otherwise, I'm not going to drop my combat effectiveness for a probe launcher, and I SURE as hell can't stand using my game time to grind away at 14 plexes (NEVER AGAIN, I wanted to cut myself after that) in a contested system (no-one came into the system all night). Sure, doing so is crucial to making the system vulnerable, but it's mostly pvp based on who can handle the boredom more! That is why you've won the system capturing game. You were able to get the people who play the game to give up on pew pew and instead grind away at plexes. Yes, you'll still get some good fights out of it, but a LOT of the work is done in the EU timezone (also gleaned from your corp forums) when there aren't that many gal pilots flying. You have superior corp discipline, for a task that for many is not very rewarding. And finally, this one is really just to appease Anna :P I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY THAT YOU CAPTURE ALL THE SYSTEMS IN FW, AND FOCUS ON PEW PEW INSTEAD OF PLEXING!!1!111! /appeasing Anna /troll mode off Having said that, congrats on your capture, it sure is something I, and much of the gal militia, couldn't do. I will still work on organizing (and training some decent cruiser skills :D ) to fight you in the plexes, but ultimately, I think you will capture every system in the end since the gal militia doesn't seem to have the stomach for the behind the scenes mass plex capture that is required to really contest the systems. Anna, I hope you are enjoying your popcorn :D You have much to learn about the plexing side of faction warfare. I suggest you read some of foom old threads for proper schooling. In fact I suggest you nooblantes plexers to contact Foom for advice? TBH some of our current tactics were stolen from them and improved upon.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.14 07:09:00 - [141] Btw after this forum trolling i see gallente drop in pvp activity (not counting Tama squatters and usual pathetic blob attempt which got sometimes spanked by andraz) and rise of some plexers. Yesterday scenario. 2 enyos, 1 tristan, 1 cat. I in wolf and some random guy i picked up in caracal. We entered plex ... Before i landed i get message from my buddy, that they run. Result no fun. However i poped one of their enyos before :) ... And yes I am proud member of 22nd and pvp often and i do not run often (well outnumbered/outgunned 3 to one is not usual combat situation :) And Mr. Troll says CALDARI VICTORIOUS!!!!!
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.14 07:44:00 - [142] Edited by: chatgris on 14/04/2009 07:45:10 Originally by: Hidden Snake Btw after this forum trolling i see gallente drop in pvp activity (not counting Tama squatters and usual pathetic blob attempt which got sometimes spanked by andraz) and rise of some plexers. THAT is my point! A drop in pvp activity for plexing is what makes plexing bad :(. You can get some great fights out of plexing, but plexing to flip systems has a lot of lonely beacon orbiting. (Still, every now and then I think I'd like to take a system back, I have split personalities on the issue). Add rewards, and plexing will at least be an alternative to mission running when no-one is around :) Originally by: Hidden Snake Yesterday scenario. 2 enyos, 1 tristan, 1 cat. I in wolf and some random guy i picked up in caracal. We entered plex ... Before i landed i get message from my buddy, that they run. Result no fun. However i poped one of their enyos before :) ... And yes I am proud member of 22nd and pvp often and i do not run often (well outnumbered/outgunned 3 to one is not usual combat situation :) And Mr. Troll says CALDARI VICTORIOUS!!!!! Shame on them, and praise for engaging them :)
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.14 08:16:00 - [143] Tama squatters? You mean that system next to your high sec? You would think that admiting that we live there without permission of the owners means you might try and do something about it? Maybe when you've done all those capturing systems. 22nd you are no one! You now fall at your masters feet and do their bidding, at least you now know that Pervs > 22nd. and public forums are for wooses, you should see their private forums /o\
Vincent Death Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2009.04.14 10:42:00 - [144] Spies? Not in my FW!!!! The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2009.04.14 13:09:00 - [145] Will accept FW rentals from any of the factions we have standing with at the time. Just throwing that out there ^^ --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2009.04.14 13:20:00 - [146] Originally by: Shun Makoto We win, your regions are ours. Give us the Sov and lets move on. Sure okay. Give me five minutes to put it in a box for you and I'll send it right over. Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
DARTHxFREE State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.14 13:24:00 - [147] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs ... 22nd you are no one! You now fall at your masters feet and do their bidding, at least you now know that Pervs > 22nd. and public forums are for wooses, you should see their private forums /o\ One must not label the whole of the 22nd for 1 members public brown noseing of the PERV's. They harbor some of the Caldari best grunts. /join Cheeze & Whine Club
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.14 13:42:00 - [148] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Tama squatters? You mean that system next to your high sec? You would think that admiting that we live there without permission of the owners means you might try and do something about it? Maybe when you've done all those capturing systems. 22nd you are no one! You now fall at your masters feet and do their bidding, at least you now know that Pervs > 22nd. and public forums are for wooses, you should see their private forums /o\ well we like pervs...they are our friends Ad tama ... Well u r squatters because usual rulers of tama are pirates ...btw Old man star is next to ur high sec and last months is blue :)
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.14 14:05:00 - [149] Originally by: Hidden Snake well we like pervs...they are our friends your just happy they didnt completely facepalm last week. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:28:00 - [150] Edited by: Anna Sophia on 14/04/2009 16:29:27 Originally by: chatgris Anna, I hope you are enjoying your popcorn :D y'know it's alright, but it could be better. Some quafe would really compliment it. I'll have to fit some stabs to a ship and run through Gal high sec for a quafe run sometime soon. Our corp hangar is always stocked with those, it's lovely.
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:10:00 - [151] Edited by: X Gallentius on 14/04/2009 17:10:43 Originally by: Hidden Snake Btw after this forum trolling i see gallente drop in pvp activity (not counting Tama squatters and usual pathetic blob attempt which got sometimes spanked by andraz) and rise of some plexers. And Mr. Troll says CALDARI VICTORIOUS!!!!! Yes, the next step in your evil plan is for Dark Rising to quit FW by because, by not engaging them in fights, their only remaining activity in FW is endless, and excruciatingly painful plexing. First Foom, next Dark Rising. Well done 22nd. Well done.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:52:00 - [152] To be honest, i'm somewhat tired of these threads. One does not gloat and "skin a prey" until it's actually caught and killed. Gallente still have fight in them and celebrating victory before it's certain is always stupid. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.14 18:05:00 - [153] Edited by: chatgris on 14/04/2009 18:05:29 Originally by: Damar Rocarion To be honest, i'm somewhat tired of these threads. One does not gloat and "skin a prey" until it's actually caught and killed. Gallente still have fight in them and celebrating victory before it's certain is always stupid. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Damar, you are doing it wrong, Anna will be angry with you :P
wowtard	Posted - 2009.04.14 18:32:00 - [154] To quote the Starship Troopers movie: "It's simple numbers. They have more."
Capt Thryss	Posted - 2009.04.15 00:57:00 - [155] Fine...this has gone on long enough.... I've flown with the 22nd a few times and for the most part they are an ok bunch but there are a few things that bother me about them and I think it's time we set the record straight about them 1) They won't let me fly with them unless I stab my ship...it's their modo, we fly together, we run away together. 2) They are baffled about how many kill mails they seem to get...it must be from the NPCs and them accidently firing a shot at you while they are panicing to run away. 3) There is never any PVP related to any aspect of plexing....anyone who tells you that plexing is a way to get small gang or solo pvp is on crack. I've done over 500 plexes and never ever pvp'd anyone or had any hostile ever come in plex. On a side note it is true that you get a free exotic dancer after your 500th plex...and you say there are no rewards in plexing! 4) The caladari aren't really taking systems, it must be CCP flipping it for them because 99% of the Caldari sit in Nourv and the ones who venture into low sec always run away with their stabbed ships....come to think of it...I think the 22nd has a standing policy to only fit non lethal weapons on all there ships....yet another reason they are confused about getting kill mails. 5) With that said the only reason any 22nd could ever get a kill is from people intentionally flying in the way of their non lethal weapons and then self destructing. Come to think of it, this is likely a exploit an should be reported to CCP. 6) Everyone on here is a lier, you have never seen or fought anyone from the 22nd as they have already run away and logged off before you even saw them. I hope I set some of you straight on this.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.15 06:43:00 - [156] Originally by: Capt Thryss Fine...this has gone on long enough.... I've flown with the 22nd a few times and for the most part they are an ok bunch but there are a few things that bother me about them and I think it's time we set the record straight about them 1) They won't let me fly with them unless I stab my ship...it's their modo, we fly together, we run away together. 2) They are baffled about how many kill mails they seem to get...it must be from the NPCs and them accidently firing a shot at you while they are panicing to run away. 3) There is never any PVP related to any aspect of plexing....anyone who tells you that plexing is a way to get small gang or solo pvp is on crack. I've done over 500 plexes and never ever pvp'd anyone or had any hostile ever come in plex. On a side note it is true that you get a free exotic dancer after your 500th plex...and you say there are no rewards in plexing! 4) The caladari aren't really taking systems, it must be CCP flipping it for them because 99% of the Caldari sit in Nourv and the ones who venture into low sec always run away with their stabbed ships....come to think of it...I think the 22nd has a standing policy to only fit non lethal weapons on all there ships....yet another reason they are confused about getting kill mails. 5) With that said the only reason any 22nd could ever get a kill is from people intentionally flying in the way of their non lethal weapons and then self destructing. Come to think of it, this is likely a exploit an should be reported to CCP. 6) Everyone on here is a lier, you have never seen or fought anyone from the 22nd as they have already run away and logged off before you even saw them. I hope I set some of you straight on this. LOOOL ... That is turbo troll from inside :)
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.15 06:45:00 - [157] Btw about stabing....i must say hello to most of the wrath of fenris guys from tama gang ... U have high stabing skills. And thnx to Andraz, we killed most of you :)
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.15 07:20:00 - [158] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 15/04/2009 07:28:34 Originally by: Hidden Snake Btw about stabing....i must say hello to most of the wrath of fenris guys from tama gang ... U have high stabing skills. And thnx to Andraz, we killed most of you :) OMG /o\ Really you want to talk about last night... Where we in 10 BS, took on 40. Cause we fight if we think there is a CHANCE of winning, not if WE ARE going to win. Stabs on WOLFY ships... Tell me it isn't so.. oh wait you mean my alts Smart Bombing Phoon, who cleared the gate and popped the wrecks and most of your pods to? We knew Andraz had 30ish (not many BS). We thought we could take that, being uber and all. So we warp in on the Nourv gate and start on the bait. Local spikes we fight on, hoping were going to win. But you guys keep coming. And you did kill most of us.. WELL DONE.. 12 of us, 8 deaths (most of us came back in other ships) and 40+ of you, 18 deaths. We can talk about isk (which we won), we can talk about deaths and pods(which we won), or we can just talk GF and be happy that after your normal run to OMS and not getting a fight WOLFY are always here to help. now I know my guys afterwards were quite happy, I've been on holiday and first time FCing since I came back and no one abused me on vent (which is not normal after a loss). But it was a good fight, a real good fight, and YES I WILL STAB MY SMARTBOMBING PHOON, its what all the cool kids do, the idiots.. they orbit it @ 2km.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.15 09:02:00 - [159] Originally by: Capt Thryss Fine...this has gone on long enough.... I've flown with the 22nd a few times and for the most part they are an ok bunch but there are a few things that bother me about them and I think it's time we set the record straight about them 1) They won't let me fly with them unless I stab my ship...it's their modo, we fly together, we run away together. 2) They are baffled about how many kill mails they seem to get...it must be from the NPCs and them accidently firing a shot at you while they are panicing to run away. 3) There is never any PVP related to any aspect of plexing....anyone who tells you that plexing is a way to get small gang or solo pvp is on crack. I've done over 500 plexes and never ever pvp'd anyone or had any hostile ever come in plex. On a side note it is true that you get a free exotic dancer after your 500th plex...and you say there are no rewards in plexing! 4) The caladari aren't really taking systems, it must be CCP flipping it for them because 99% of the Caldari sit in Nourv and the ones who venture into low sec always run away with their stabbed ships....come to think of it...I think the 22nd has a standing policy to only fit non lethal weapons on all there ships....yet another reason they are confused about getting kill mails. 5) With that said the only reason any 22nd could ever get a kill is from people intentionally flying in the way of their non lethal weapons and then self destructing. Come to think of it, this is likely a exploit an should be reported to CCP. 6) Everyone on here is a lier, you have never seen or fought anyone from the 22nd as they have already run away and logged off before you even saw them. I hope I set some of you straight on this. ROFL best post of the thread, had me laughing so loud my staff came to see what I was looking at
Victoria Ehr Caldari Silver Lining Corp Silver Twilight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.04.15 09:26:00 - [160] Edited by: Victoria Ehr on 15/04/2009 09:27:27 My spy(s) can confirm that the Gallente side is failing. Caldari Wins! can we fix the lag and dsync now? -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Pride NL The Legendaries	Posted - 2009.04.15 09:41:00 - [161] Quote: or we can just talk GF and be happy //signed. This is the most important part. No One Better
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.15 09:57:00 - [162] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 15/04/2009 07:28:34 Originally by: Hidden Snake Btw about stabing....i must say hello to most of the wrath of fenris guys from tama gang ... U have high stabing skills. And thnx to Andraz, we killed most of you :) OMG /o\ Really you want to talk about last night... What Evil said. After the initial slugfest between our RR gang and your blob (with what, 7-8 ECM boats?) I felt that we'd "lost" having personally lost a trimarked Mega and all... But after all the hilarity that happened after that, the sniping I(we) did, the SB BS lols, the ceptor dogfights, the decloaking of a ROKH 100km off the gate (LOL) etc. I'd say we clearly won in the end tbh... At least according to kill numbers AND ISK values that is. ;) And to me it doesn't really matter who won, all that matters is that it was great fun and a good fight! Cheers for bringing it, even with 3-4 times our numbers. :P ---
Lt Mooncat	Posted - 2009.04.15 11:41:00 - [163] Originally by: Victoria Ehr Edited by: Victoria Ehr on 15/04/2009 09:27:27 My spy(s) can confirm that the Gallente side is failing. Caldari Wins! can we fix the lag and dsync now? Why fix lag and desync if thre's nobody fighting? By the time Summer gets here participation and PvP in FW will be at an all time low. All that will be left are the 22nd orbitting Beacons and making forum posts every 2 or 3 days. Shame about the decline in the PvP element of FW but who gives a **** if the sole aim is to capture Complexes.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.15 11:44:00 - [164] tl;dr version of this thread: ppl die ppl kill ppl post Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Boom Shankar	Posted - 2009.04.15 11:59:00 - [165] Wow this thing is still going. Good job everyone.
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.15 16:48:00 - [166] Originally by: X Gallentius Edited by: X Gallentius on 14/04/2009 17:10:43 Originally by: Hidden Snake Btw after this forum trolling i see gallente drop in pvp activity (not counting Tama squatters and usual pathetic blob attempt which got sometimes spanked by andraz) and rise of some plexers. And Mr. Troll says CALDARI VICTORIOUS!!!!! Yes, the next step in your evil plan is for Dark Rising to quit FW by because, by not engaging them in fights, their only remaining activity in FW is endless, and excruciatingly painful plexing. First Foom, next Dark Rising. Well done 22nd. Well done. Boring plexing is also part of winning fw you guys will just have to live with it. Just like boring in roaming "winning" for the gallente in the tama-oms pipe
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.16 06:09:00 - [167] So to the screaming frogs Lag is fixed Pipeline was gallente maybe 2 moths ago, now cali rules there. And we do pvp, but we use our brains too so we pkex too, and therefore we are winning this war and having fun on your futile effort (like yesterday in oms).
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.16 07:41:00 - [168] Yeah cause the Caldari ROOLS the pipe. the two butt kickings in Tama from local pirates last night.. VERY MUCH FULL OF BRIAINS. Do not know why Andraz did that, would love to know what he/FC was thinking. Its your money, do what you want, even tell us your winning, just don't expect us to agree
Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.16 08:51:00 - [169] Originally by: Capt Thryss 2) They are baffled about how many kill mails they seem to get...it must be from the NPCs and them accidently firing a shot at you while they are panicing to run away. Hasn't this actually happened to us before though? I thought this thread died a while back but she came right back up again! You know what will we have left to "female dog" about when the war is over?
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.16 09:08:00 - [170] Quote: Yes, the next step in your evil plan is for Dark Rising to quit FW by because, by not engaging them in fights, their only remaining activity in FW is endless, and excruciatingly painful plexing. I can't talk for my corp mates (and I am new to EvE as well) but I find solo plex flipping as fun as high sec can flipping: death inside. Imho CCP should make something that requires for some inside plex PvP to be a pre-requisite for the plex counter to roll. For the little I have seen until now, the random Caldaris religiously avoid plexing anywhere near where a PvP situation could arise (not talking of the famous corps) and also plex while we are at work.
DARTHxFREE State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.16 09:41:00 - [171] I hate Tama and try avoid it, but over the last month thier has been a noticable decline in Gallente activity, nothing left but to start campaining against WOLFY and the other Tama crew. So far the Battlefield looks like... Caldari Main Force un-rigged Drakes Tackle ... Support EW Blackbirds, toting racial jam str up to 5.0 Gallente remote rep Battleships each with more dps then a whole Squad of Caldari. turd loads of book marks PokTball full of rento pirates ...but with Gods help we can change this /join Cheeze & Whine Club
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.16 10:33:00 - [172] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 16/04/2009 10:33:14 Originally by: DARTHxFREE I hate Tama and try avoid it, but over the last month thier has been a noticable decline in Gallente activity, nothing left but to start campaining against WOLFY and the other Tama crew. So far the Battlefield looks like... Caldari Main Force un-rigged Drakes Tackle ... Support EW Blackbirds, toting racial jam str up to 5.0 Gallente remote rep Battleships each with more dps then a whole Squad of Caldari. turd loads of book marks PokTball full of rento pirates ...but with Gods help we can change this Great ain't it! I mean forget all the bravo of this thread, those of us that play eve to PvP are loving it. You have greater numbers we have bigger ships (and I think better SP pilots). We try and fight when there is a chance of winning, not just when we know we are going to win. The local pirates have figured out Tama is THE place in Factional Warfare. Yes its blobby, but thats not from WOLFY (although we have agreed to increase the size of WOLFY to 60 pilots, including alts soon). And you can normally get a 1v1 or 2v1 or 1v2 right the way up to 10v40! As for smack in local.. LOVE IT! \0/
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.16 10:58:00 - [173] You said it evil, we're happy to take on all comers. Its not "winning" fw that matters to us, its the pvp and the more of it we can get the better. Nowhere else in eve can you get the amount of small gang varied pvp that FW provides and currently tama is the central point. Not only do we get to play with the caldari that brave leaving nourv but pirate corps have recognised that tama is the place to be for pvp. So please go plex, "win" fw, and once all the systems have finally flipped come and pay us a visit, we'll be waiting :)
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.16 11:20:00 - [174] I feel like I'm losing FW at the moment because it's so mind sodomisingly tedious I want to quit. I have no idea what I have to do to get lulz in Gallente Militia.
Snake O'Donell Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.16 12:30:00 - [175] Originally by: Hidden Snake So to the screaming frogs Lag is fixed Pipeline was gallente maybe 2 moths ago, now cali rules there. And we do pvp, but we use our brains too so we pkex too, and therefore we are winning this war and having fun on your futile effort (like yesterday in oms). Did you ever wonder if the reason you are even allowed to leave nourv is something external to your blobbing greatness? Lets look at the facts. Up until 2 weeks ago this was how my daily routine played out: 1. Caldari get a blob and roam down the pipe. 2. Gallente make counter-blob. 3. Caldari run. 4. Gallente camp the nourv gate for 20 minutes hoping the Caldari would grow some balls. Dark-Rising got bored with this stupidity so we moved on to something else. And since 3/4 of the competent FC's in the Gallente Militia are in -DARK you "rule the pipe". FW is something that goes in cycles.things will be changing again very soon.
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.16 13:10:00 - [176] What -Dark up to? care to divulge?
Joshamee Gibbs Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.16 15:16:00 - [177] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs What -Dark up to? care to divulge? Oh, a bit of this, a bit of that. Looking at the stats at http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/ it shows that the gallente are beating the caldari in VPs and kills per member, which suggests that if the sides had equal numbers the gallente would be winning. Unfortunately, because the caldari have 2000 more militia members, for a number of hypothetical reasons - I think a lot of people start with caldari because they're the closest to the the stereotypical capitalist society - not french, overly religious, ex-slaves, ect, that sort of thing. Another hypothetical reason would be that a lot of people are joining the militia because they're winning. The Caldari indeed seem to be looking to be the zerg-rushing blobbing side in this, although that's just the statistics. Both sides have their veteran members and their blobbing noobs. We might need a mechanic to keep the militias at a fairly equal level of members, maybe +/- 5% instead of the caldari having %166-ish more members than the gallente. On the plexing side of things if you let your respective militia channel know where you're plexing, you'll soon get a response from the other side - unfortunately they'll always outnumber you and your gang if you're silly enough to say the numbers, but it still gives the chance of some actual pvp. Regardless this is internet spaceships and there's no tangible changes with occupancy change so we might as well focus on the pewpew. Bold bits are bold because of the people that might rage without reading them. Nobody'll take notice though. D:
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.16 15:55:00 - [178] rabble rabble rabble! chokes on a kernel
Chompy	Posted - 2009.04.16 15:59:00 - [179] Caldari win becuase there are more of them, its nothing to do with anything else, simple numbers.
Joshamee Gibbs Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.16 16:03:00 - [180] Originally by: Chompy Caldari win becuase there are more of them, its nothing to do with anything else, simple numbers. That's what I said but with more waffle and statistics backing it up ;D
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.16 16:49:00 - [181] I'm winning too.. My corp is winning. 33th highest killing corp on Battleclinc. I know, I know.. Killboard stats... BUT THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT! we kick people if they ain't killing enough (I don't care about loses, we charge no tax so the corp gives them nothing but pew pew). 22nd are winning top plexers in FW. Pervs are winning top smackers in FW. -Dark are winning 200 members having fun. in fact the only people not winning are those in NPC corps.
DARTHxFREE State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.16 17:07:00 - [182] Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 16/04/2009 17:07:45 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs in fact the only people not winning are those in NPC corps. I'll have yea know, State Prot are winning at something too! /join Cheeze & Whine Club
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.16 17:43:00 - [183] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Pervs are winning top smackers in FW. QFT!!!
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.16 18:18:00 - [184] Edited by: Draco Rosso on 16/04/2009 18:21:25 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs I'm winning too.. My corp is winning. 33th highest killing corp on Battleclinc. I know, I know.. Killboard stats... BUT THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT! we kick people if they ain't killing enough (I don't care about loses, we charge no tax so the corp gives them nothing but pew pew). 22nd are winning top plexers in FW. Pervs are winning top smackers in FW? -Dark are winning 200 members having fun. in fact the only people not winning are those in NPC corps. Agreed but were still going to take placid eventually : P. Is dark leaving FW?
Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.17 10:48:00 - [185] You can't win something with no goals, purpose or objectives.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.17 13:34:00 - [186] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs I'm winning too.. My corp is winning. 33th highest killing corp on Battleclinc. I know, I know.. Killboard stats... BUT THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT! we kick people if they ain't killing enough (I don't care about loses, we charge no tax so the corp gives them nothing but pew pew). 22nd are winning top plexers in FW. Pervs are winning top smackers in FW. -Dark are winning 200 members having fun. in fact the only people not winning are those in NPC corps. Yeah, keep telling how good you are. no one else does not do that. Playing fw without playing it and telling how you win it , sure... mad respect.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.17 14:58:00 - [187] You're just jelous Bad Messenger :) Props to pervs though, they are about the only caldari who will engage us!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.17 17:30:00 - [188] Quote: I think a lot of people start with caldari because they're the closest to the the stereotypical capitalist society - not french, overly religious, ex-slaves, ect, that sort of thing. Nothing so noble. Caldaris due to stats / heritage lucky stats combinations have been the min maxed "best" and quickest SP learners characters for single tasks and also the best "all rounders" (i.e. top versatility at tacking to multiple activities) for years. This is why everyone and their mother rolled one, not for the roleplay :D Quote: -Dark are winning 200 members having fun. And the good side is that having 200 members is one of the "success milestones" that are a little part of the corp's far sighted "program".
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.04.18 00:43:00 - [189] Originally by: Atraxerxes So Bueller, how's is it again that Plexing doesn't matter. See because the last time I checked, the company that created EVE, you know, CCP, kind of wrote this little thing into the code called occupancy. Occupancy doesn't matter. Happy now? *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.04.18 00:49:00 - [190] Originally by: Turelus I can't wait for that epic story we get when we take every FW system! I guess after that we could also go and help the Amarr finally put down those slaves. That might be what it takes to get CCP to fix FW: allow the Caldari to cap every FW system while players in the other three militias shrug. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.18 09:15:00 - [191] This is WHY I love EVE and CCP. They have never EVER said.. "You must do it this way". And if WOLFY were not fighting in the pipe there would be more people plexing (wait... maybe not).
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.18 13:15:00 - [192] In answer to evils question of 'whats dark upto' We moved north to begin 'offensive plexing' since it appeared to be so important in this factional warfare, we should give it a go. From the posts on this forum over the past few months we were prepared mentally and financially for what was sure to be the most extreme few months of pvp we had ever seen! But, erm... how can I say this. The number of kills we are getting has flatlined, like literally dead on the floor. And yet as you can see from the stats, we are capping literally tons of plexes in hostile infested space on a daily basis! So erm, im confused can anyone help me out here, cos were here running plexes in caldari space, but were not getting pvp which is what the caldari said was the point of doing the plexes? Internally my corp is sick of plexing, they in the main feel as I do that its all rather pointless. If no one is going to fight, why bother with it, when we can go back to OMS and farm caldari each night as they turn up for the daily oms>tama>oms dance. Between us and wolfy we accounted for the majority of the kills in the militia, this has now changed as we have focussed on the plexing mechanic. So having spent a month doing this, I started to think about the reasons why we are not getting any fights? Well, this is the real kicker folks. It has become quite apparent to me, that once you are in a plex, in the right ships, with the right positioning, it is very very hard for an opposing force to bust you out. The pervs smack and goading in local was simply since they wanted us to suicide into perfectly setup gank, to take away the eternal boredom they were facing on a daily basis, running timers. Now we find ourselves in our enemies position, running plexes unopposed allowing us to eventually doubtlessly 'take systems'. As a visionary, with a long term goal for my corporation, I have to ensure that everything we do 'now' is good training for 'tommorow' So that leaves me at a crossroads with FW, thinking. Why? The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.04.18 13:29:00 - [193] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Insite as to why plexing is a waste of time Excellent post. I don't blame you or your corp for finding it tedious when you're at war with people and there's boats to violence (that, and no doubt it's boring as **** even when there aren't people to shoot at).
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.18 21:25:00 - [194] Originally by: Mitch Taylor So that leaves me at a crossroads with FW, thinking. Why? That's a great question I don' think any of us have the answer to. To this day I'm amazed at how many of my guys still plex. I think you might figure it out once you flip a system, it is a reward for a job well done in a way. Other than that I can't say I've been 100% into FW the whole time, it comes and goes in cycles for me. Thankfully there is always somebody in corp who is still gungho about it. AX EVE's #1 (& currently only) podcast "Fly Reckless" Fly Reckless Voted "Best New Comer" EON Magazine 2009. Listen to it today
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.18 23:22:00 - [195] Originally by: Mitch Taylor In answer to evils question of 'whats dark upto' We moved north to begin 'offensive plexing' since it appeared to be so important in this factional warfare, we should give it a go. From the posts on this forum over the past few months we were prepared mentally and financially for what was sure to be the most extreme few months of pvp we had ever seen! But, erm... how can I say this. The number of kills we are getting has flatlined, like literally dead on the floor. And yet as you can see from the stats, we are capping literally tons of plexes in hostile infested space on a daily basis! So erm, im confused can anyone help me out here, cos were here running plexes in caldari space, but were not getting pvp which is what the caldari said was the point of doing the plexes? Internally my corp is sick of plexing, they in the main feel as I do that its all rather pointless. If no one is going to fight, why bother with it, when we can go back to OMS and farm caldari each night as they turn up for the daily oms>tama>oms dance. Between us and wolfy we accounted for the majority of the kills in the militia, this has now changed as we have focussed on the plexing mechanic. So having spent a month doing this, I started to think about the reasons why we are not getting any fights? Well, this is the real kicker folks. It has become quite apparent to me, that once you are in a plex, in the right ships, with the right positioning, it is very very hard for an opposing force to bust you out. The pervs smack and goading in local was simply since they wanted us to suicide into perfectly setup gank, to take away the eternal boredom they were facing on a daily basis, running timers. Now we find ourselves in our enemies position, running plexes unopposed allowing us to eventually doubtlessly 'take systems'. As a visionary, with a long term goal for my corporation, I have to ensure that everything we do 'now' is good training for 'tommorow' So that leaves me at a crossroads with FW, thinking. Why? Because one day ccp will have little choice but to give plex mechanic some love (just look the falcon Nerf). To answer your musings about the lack of pvp is simple. Both the Caldari and the Gallente cops doing the plexes have different goals. Both goals are tied to offensive style warfare. This often leads to one side bored to tears because of the lack opposition. The only real pvp that happens in on the forums with one side calling the other cowards and etc etc... This also happened during the FOOM campaign. The funny thing happened when the 22nd moved back to black rise was that Foom was getting ready to pull out of faction warfare. This lead the rapid recapture of Black Rise. What does mean going forward? Not much we have our goals and you guys have yours. If both happen to align then things will start getting interesting. props to the gals that are making placid region harder to take then it should. : P
Snake O'Donell Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.18 23:47:00 - [196] Originally by: Draco Rosso Because one day ccp will have little choice but to give plex mechanic some love (just look the falcon Nerf). So we should keep plexing because someday eventully CCP might fix this broken ass mechanic someday? Quote: To answer your musings about the lack of pvp is simple. Both the Caldari and the Gallente cops doing the plexes have different goals. Both goals are tied to offensive style warfare. This often leads to one side bored to tears because of the lack opposition. The only real pvp that happens in on the forums with one side calling the other cowards and etc etc... What happened to plexing is pvp? I thought that was the whole point to plexing... Quote: This also happened during the FOOM campaign. The funny thing happened when the 22nd moved back to black rise was that Foom was getting ready to pull out of faction warfare. This lead the rapid recapture of Black Rise. What does mean going forward? Not much we have our goals and you guys have yours. If both happen to align then things will start getting interesting. props to the gals that are making placid region harder to take then it should. : P Personally I am done with plexing. I am sick of orbiting a button for 10-30 minutes for no reason what so ever. I am just biding my time until we move on...
Serapo Petrotestes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.19 11:07:00 - [197] Originally by: Mitch Taylor So having spent a month doing this, I started to think about the reasons why we are not getting any fights? Well, this is the real kicker folks. It has become quite apparent to me, that once you are in a plex, in the right ships, with the right positioning, it is very very hard for an opposing force to bust you out. The pervs smack and goading in local was simply since they wanted us to suicide into perfectly setup gank, to take away the eternal boredom they were facing on a daily basis, running timers. Now we find ourselves in our enemies position, running plexes unopposed allowing us to eventually doubtlessly 'take systems'. You are doing it wrong. If you stick a nberblob into a plex you wont get any pvp. My experience in the 22nd is that when you fly a small gang (2 to 5 pilots) with rather low amount of skill points and less than impressive ships, you will get a lot of pvp. You will be a magnet for pvp, as everybody and his grandmother will be out to try and gank you. Granted, mostly from pirates. Which of course is less a pvp attempt than a gank attempt. Pirates rarely like to pvp, they are out for an easy gank mostly. So are many militia roaming gangs or the blobs. Most of our more notable gallente FW-plex opponents will take us on with even numbers or even shorthanded when they outskill us. They will not take us on when we are blobbed up. Tips for getting pvp through plex mechanisms: - plex in pirate heavy systems with smallish gangs, preferably in unrestricted plexes. - plex in systems that really matter to the other side or to a specific corp of the other side. Plexing in a blob some end of the world system nobody cares about is not bound to get you pvp. - Roam solo for plexes. - Thats it. Not that many options, because as many have noted, the plex machanism is kind of lame and somewhat broken in that the rewards (if you dont get and enjoy pvp) are rather slim. It could be better, but there are some options to get pvp through plexing. But I know for fact that you guys already tried fw-ops in a pirate infested area, got more pvp than what you could handle and had your butts handed to you. Greetings from Invicta. You also could try and plex down OMS, you know you would get some action there. But I see you prefer to try for a pseudo cool sounding put down of plex warfare to cover up your corps latest achievements which appear to be on the wrong side of the epic scala.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.19 12:00:00 - [198] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 19/04/2009 12:01:26 Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes But I know for fact that you guys already tried fw-ops in a pirate infested area, got more pvp than what you could handle and had your butts handed to you. Greetings from Invicta. You also could try and plex down OMS, you know you would get some action there. But I see you prefer to try for a pseudo cool sounding put down of plex warfare to cover up your corps latest achievements which appear to be on the wrong side of the epic scala. lol, come back in 5 yrs mate. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Serapo+Petrotestes-kills.html The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Serapo Petrotestes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.19 12:51:00 - [199] Originally by: Mitch Taylor lol, come back in 5 yrs mate. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Serapo+Petrotestes-kills.html Yes, I am sort of a noob and far from a pvp God. Very few of my deaths have been to Dark-Rising. Yet you still failed to even slightly disrupt our ops in VV. What is your point again?
Selous Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.19 13:29:00 - [200] Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes My experience in the 22nd is that when you fly a small gang (2 to 5 pilots) with rather low amount of skill points and less than impressive ships, you will get a lot of pvp. OK I get it , When I have `rather low amount of skill points` I will try this plexing pvp. Until then I will continue having fun.
Snake O'Donell Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.19 15:48:00 - [201] Originally by: Selous Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes My experience in the 22nd is that when you fly a small gang (2 to 5 pilots) with rather low amount of skill points and less than impressive ships, you will get a lot of pvp. OK I get it , When I have `rather low amount of skill points` I will try this plexing pvp. Until then I will continue having fun. Pod yourself back... I guess a Taranis is to cool to fight the 22nd in. Should I bring out a velator next time so you guys wont run?
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.19 16:29:00 - [202] I like how per player figures are quoted in terms of VP and kills to prove the Gals are doing a better job and that you blame the loss of space on the Caldari having larger numbers. It's a war. Not a tournament. We're not meant to be evenly matched. It would be ideal but 2 sides are never equally matched. Why don't you try recruiting? You seem to have some shiny stats you can use in your favour. The Map is blue. Do something about it. (And calling the 22nd cowards in the forums really doesn't count) Rushing into every battle isn't exactly smart. Taking on 3 opponents who out tank and out gun you when you have snowball's hope in hell isn't brave, it's stupid, it doesn't matter what side you're on. If you have a strategy that would allow you to defeat your opponent, than that's a different scenario. Why don't you come and try and retake V.V or stop us from taking the surrounding regions. You might get a bit more of the 22nd than you can handle. You can call us whatever you like in the forums all day long. Really isn't gonna change who we really are and what we're really about. Good luck with the smear campaing.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.19 18:19:00 - [203] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 19/04/2009 12:01:26 Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes But I know for fact that you guys already tried fw-ops in a pirate infested area, got more pvp than what you could handle and had your butts handed to you. Greetings from Invicta. You also could try and plex down OMS, you know you would get some action there. But I see you prefer to try for a pseudo cool sounding put down of plex warfare to cover up your corps latest achievements which appear to be on the wrong side of the epic scala. lol, come back in 5 yrs mate. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Serapo+Petrotestes-kills.html Ouch! But as my old Nan used to say: 'Empty Vessels make the most noise.' The 22nd should adopt that phrase as their Motto.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.19 19:05:00 - [204] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 19/04/2009 19:10:45 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 19/04/2009 19:09:29 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 19/04/2009 19:08:15 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 19/04/2009 19:07:13 Quote: You are doing it wrong. If you stick a nberblob into a plex you wont get any pvp. My experience in the 22nd is that when you fly a small gang (2 to 5 pilots) with rather low amount of skill points and less than impressive ships, you will get a lot of pvp. You will be a magnet for pvp, as everybody and his grandmother will be out to try and gank you. We tried the "2 to 5 pilots thing" and I can undoubtedly call myself "low amount of SP" (sigh). My experience is that this is worse than 0.0 sh!t, as local shows our names the residents turbo-flee away. Yesterday one even cloaked. Quote: plex in systems that really matter to the other side or to a specific corp of the other side. Define "really matter", in a system where nothing changes whatever you do... Quote: But I know for fact that you guys already tried fw-ops in a pirate infested area, got more pvp than what you could handle and had your butts handed to you. Someone with the balls has to try, in this PvP game, isn't it? Also, several in the corp are new to the game, and there's only one way to learn it and it involves losses. Quote: I guess a Taranis is to cool to fight the 22nd in. Should I bring out a velator next time so you guys wont run? Slasher is what you want to use. With cloak and stab of course! Quote: It's a war. Not a tournament. We're not meant to be evenly matched. It would be ideal but 2 sides are never equally matched It's not a war. Wars are when two similarly strong and "technically advanced" armies clash. If the above don't happen, it's either a slaugther of the lesser side or a small resistance submission. Strongly outnumbered armies have to resort to guerrilla tactics. Quote: The Map is blue. Do something about it. I got a medal or two making it less blue, but to be honest after some days of doing it I prefer mining veldspar in high sec... Veldspar is more rewarding, engaging, fun, and you have all those other miners to talk with. Plus instead of a medal you get $$$ and it works well. Also, when constantly trying to taunt and push us to get back to OMS or whatever... FW and plexing for DR is a milestone in a program, nothing more.
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.20 01:49:00 - [205] Edited by: Draco Rosso on 20/04/2009 01:52:34 oops.
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.20 01:50:00 - [206] Edited by: Draco Rosso on 20/04/2009 01:52:05 Quote: Define "really matter", in a system where nothing changes whatever you do... Were not going to provide you with intel. You might has well ask home many plexes it takes to take a system. Also if you have to ask what really matters in the FW plex map then your corp/intel network has failed to you serve you completley. Quote: Someone with the balls has to try, in this PvP game, isn't it? Also, several in the corp are new to the game, and there's only one way to learn it and it involves losses. I commend your corp for trying to move into v.v to meet us head on. But you when about it the wrong way and failed to gather Intel on the local pirates, who are a particularly vicious. At the end of the day we come to survive v.v hostile climate and hold unto our systems even with threat of various pirate corps and war targets. Not to mention those pesky war deccing corps that come in and out on a weekly basis. One of the most notable was Guided hands social club was rudely introducted to v.v and force to flee after weeks war dec. Quote: It's not a war. Wars are when two similarly strong and "technically advanced" armies clash. If the above don't happen, it's either a slaugther of the lesser side or a small resistance submission. Strongly outnumbered armies have to resort to guerrilla tactics. It's a war and it isn't fair. Guerrilla tactics for the most part earned us v.v.
Er4lyn	Posted - 2009.04.20 04:21:00 - [207] Originally by: Draco Rosso I commend your corp for trying to move into v.v to meet us head on. But you when about it the wrong way and failed to gather Intel on the local pirates, who are a particularly vicious. At the end of the day we come to survive v.v hostile climate and hold unto our systems even with threat of various pirate corps and war targets. Not to mention those pesky war deccing corps that come in and out on a weekly basis. One of the most notable was Guided hands social club was rudely introducted to v.v and force to flee after weeks war dec. We flew around vv all night and only saw 2 WT's (Anna & Nias) who ran from a 2vs2 (2 AF's vs our Frig/Cruiser). Moving in and around vv is not bad at all if you stick to small gangs. The pirates only seem to get stirred up when you guys bring in your lagfest blobs.
Nius KIncaid Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.20 06:03:00 - [208] A vexor and a griffin, if you had any frig besides the griffin we would have engaged. Being chewed apart by drones while unable to lock anything isn't my idea of a fun sunday night :P
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 07:43:00 - [209] Originally by: Nius KIncaid A vexor and a griffin, if you had any frig besides the griffin we would have engaged. Being chewed apart by drones while unable to lock anything isn't my idea of a fun sunday night :P And yet fighting in a caldari plex means we face NPC jammers and you expect us to fight in even numbers
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.20 07:54:00 - [210] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Originally by: Nius KIncaid A vexor and a griffin, if you had any frig besides the griffin we would have engaged. Being chewed apart by drones while unable to lock anything isn't my idea of a fun sunday night :P And yet fighting in a caldari plex means we face NPC jammers and you expect us to fight in even numbers Isn't wolfy a bunch super elite fw pvper will take on 30 man gang in thier RR bs gang? Surely a few ghetto ECM boats isn't going to stop you from entring a plex. Were going to spread the ghetto ECM love all over the FW map.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 08:32:00 - [211] Thanks for the praise there Draco, its nice to hear ones enemies admit we are a super elite fw corp :) Seriously though WOLFY have no problems engaging you plexes but as soon as we enter a system you run, EVERY SINGLE TIME! We now no longer bother with 22nd or any of the other plexing corps because we know you won't fight and thats what fw is to us, an eternal big f**k off fight, so we will stick to roaming and griefing in tama, its done us well ever since we entered fw and nothing you can say about plexing will change our mind. Dark-Rising took up your challenge of plex=pvp and their kill rates plummeted so you won't even fight plexers, all your interested in is pve and thats fine because once you've "won" fw there will be nothing for you to do and you can leave fw to pvpers, happy days!
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.20 09:22:00 - [212] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Thanks for the praise there Draco, its nice to hear ones enemies admit we are a super elite fw corp :) Seriously though WOLFY have no problems engaging you plexes but as soon as we enter a system you run, EVERY SINGLE TIME! We now no longer bother with 22nd or any of the other plexing corps because we know you won't fight and thats what fw is to us, an eternal big f**k off fight, so we will stick to roaming and griefing in tama, its done us well ever since we entered fw and nothing you can say about plexing will change our mind. Dark-Rising took up your challenge of plex=pvp and their kill rates plummeted so you won't even fight plexers, all your interested in is pve and thats fine because once you've "won" fw there will be nothing for you to do and you can leave fw to pvpers, happy days! signed Troll of Fenris
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 09:45:00 - [213] Originally by: Hidden Snake Originally by: Parmenides Elea Thanks for the praise there Draco, its nice to hear ones enemies admit we are a super elite fw corp :) Seriously though WOLFY have no problems engaging you plexes but as soon as we enter a system you run, EVERY SINGLE TIME! We now no longer bother with 22nd or any of the other plexing corps because we know you won't fight and thats what fw is to us, an eternal big f**k off fight, so we will stick to roaming and griefing in tama, its done us well ever since we entered fw and nothing you can say about plexing will change our mind. Dark-Rising took up your challenge of plex=pvp and their kill rates plummeted so you won't even fight plexers, all your interested in is pve and thats fine because once you've "won" fw there will be nothing for you to do and you can leave fw to pvpers, happy days! signed Troll of Fenris What was the full title of this thread again? Seriously though nothing that I typed was untrue. We never get fights in plexes because you always run. Dark have spent the past month trying to get fights in plexes and you always run. So if your goal is pvp why would anyone ever plex? Roll on the day when the mighty caldari have taken over all gal systems, maybe then you'll come looking for a fight.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:02:00 - [214] Originally by: Mitch Taylor In answer to evils question of 'whats dark upto' We moved north to begin 'offensive plexing' since it appeared to be so important in this factional warfare, we should give it a go. From the posts on this forum over the past few months we were prepared mentally and financially for what was sure to be the most extreme few months of pvp we had ever seen! But, erm... how can I say this. The number of kills we are getting has flatlined, like literally dead on the floor. And yet as you can see from the stats, we are capping literally tons of plexes in hostile infested space on a daily basis! So erm, im confused can anyone help me out here, cos were here running plexes in caldari space, but were not getting pvp which is what the caldari said was the point of doing the plexes? Internally my corp is sick of plexing, they in the main feel as I do that its all rather pointless. If no one is going to fight, why bother with it, when we can go back to OMS and farm caldari each night as they turn up for the daily oms>tama>oms dance. Between us and wolfy we accounted for the majority of the kills in the militia, this has now changed as we have focussed on the plexing mechanic. So having spent a month doing this, I started to think about the reasons why we are not getting any fights? Well, this is the real kicker folks. It has become quite apparent to me, that once you are in a plex, in the right ships, with the right positioning, it is very very hard for an opposing force to bust you out. The pervs smack and goading in local was simply since they wanted us to suicide into perfectly setup gank, to take away the eternal boredom they were facing on a daily basis, running timers. Now we find ourselves in our enemies position, running plexes unopposed allowing us to eventually doubtlessly 'take systems'. As a visionary, with a long term goal for my corporation, I have to ensure that everything we do 'now' is good training for 'tommorow' So that leaves me at a crossroads with FW, thinking. Why? Maybe you are doing something wrong there? You say you have 'offensive plexing' but i can not see any results when i look at occupancy map. You say you do not get pvp , yes you do not get it if you sit in station. I hope that ambulation will fix that. You have numbers but you still does not want to fight against us. PERVS is part of Caldari Militia and we do pvp if you just bring your people to fight. But no. PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then...
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:16:00 - [215] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 20/04/2009 10:16:30 Originally by: Bad Messenger PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then... For all the crap Pervs spout, your corp have a goal and your a good bunch of PvP'ers, I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. We see a 22nd fleet we don't have time to engage before they run off. Thats the difference and as a PvP Corp that makes for a LOAD of difference in respect. So get better soon and hope you are back to full health soon.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:38:00 - [216] Maybe theres something wrong with FW. Maybe. Well, the lag seems to be back, I was watching some blobtastic clusterfawk in a cloaker, doing nothing but observing from 200km. Boosh, entering ship, entering ship, entering ship...oh well blobs blow donkey balls anyways. There really is no reason to have 20+ gangs in fw. Much less 50+. Take ~10 guys, do something, encounter blob, just bore them to death, there's not much that blob can achieve and it will disperse eventually. Have some fun. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
TooNu Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:13:00 - [217] I need to take bullet points for an important meeting about what we are doing wrong in the 22nd. Unless I am wrong so far the facts are: - We stab our ships. - Frequently run away. - Have a higher regard for plexing over pvp. - Have no impact on Faction Warfare. - Have members that smack on forums. Have I missed anything? As usual add your accurate information below.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:14:00 - [218] Originally by: Bad Messenger PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then... Sorry to hear you have been ill, Whilst we will be around for a while longer, our objectives from factional warfare have been achieved. Good luck with placid. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Pride NL The Legendaries	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:23:00 - [219] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 20/04/2009 10:16:30 Originally by: Bad Messenger PERVS were on shore leave after essence capture and I got some nasty flu which has slowed down our next step. We will back 'soon' with new tricks and jippoes, until then... For all the crap Pervs spout, your corp have a goal and your a good bunch of PvP'ers, I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. We see a 22nd fleet we don't have time to engage before they run off. Thats the difference and as a PvP Corp that makes for a LOAD of difference in respect. So get better soon and hope you are back to full health soon. I can't disagree more with the statement regarding pervs in a plex. When I see PERVS in a plex I will try to meet the demand (meaning 5 PERVS = 5 of our pilots). I rather fight 5 people that know what they are doing then a fleet full of people that don't. Makes the fight more interesting. Originally by: Unfamed II Maybe theres something wrong with FW. Maybe. Well, the lag seems to be back, I was watching some blobtastic clusterfawk in a cloaker, doing nothing but observing from 200km. Boosh, entering ship, entering ship, entering ship...oh well blobs blow donkey balls anyways. There really is no reason to have 20+ gangs in fw. Much less 50+. Take ~10 guys, do something, encounter blob, just bore them to death, there's not much that blob can achieve and it will disperse eventually. Have some fun. Agreed. But it is more a request-demand game. Bring 20 people and receive a opponent with the same numbers. Bring 50 people and..... I rather have Factions flying 3 gangs with 10 pilots in it then 1 gang of 30 pilots. But then again, it stays a request-demand game. You always want to match your opponents strength. Eventually it means you will reach a fleet of 50+. And as I have noticed, this is a total waste of time. This weekend I was entering my ship for 50 times in a battle that lasted 5 minutes. In short, the lag is too much for a 50v50 battle. So please, restrict fleets to 10 or 20 people. Much more fun that way anyway. Just my 2 euro's. No One Better
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:37:00 - [220] Plexing is great. Over the last week I've been capping plexes with my Gallente main and running lvl 4 missions with my Caldari Spy. I wasn't disturbed by any Caldari in the plexes and didn't get any PvP. In fact, the only time I was in danger of losing a ship was when a Gallente Militia member came into the system I was missioning in. I was able to make a fair bit of Isk and get some Medals for zero risk. One of the highlights was reading in Squid chat how the guys in the 22nd had a spectacular failure last night and got spanked by a Myrm Pilot who's in Aliastra.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:19:00 - [221] Edited by: chatgris on 20/04/2009 13:19:18 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. You DO NOT speak for me sir! I've had many a plex battle against the pervs. Some win, some lose, but I generally don't leave it be if ship types and numbers are anywhere near equal!
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:52:00 - [222] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 20/04/2009 13:19:18 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs I think I speak for all of Gallente, when we see a pervs fleet in a plex, we leave it be. You DO NOT speak for me sir! I've had many a plex battle against the pervs. Some win, some lose, but I generally don't leave it be if ship types and numbers are anywhere near equal! I stand corrected.. jeez
Serenis Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:17:00 - [223] Ah so the victory condition for factional warfare was defined as controlling systems? Wait no? Well what a conundrum! So it must be having the most kills? Hmmm nope it's not that either is it? Both sides of this argument can pick whatever their most impressive stat is and claim that they are therefore 'winning' or have 'won' FW. You aren't, you didn't, you haven't. It's easy for both of us to claim that beacuse our kills/occupancy are our best stat then PvP/Plexing doesn't matter. They are the same argument from the opposite direction. Neither is valid. Want to know what winning feels like? Ask a Minmatar. Mastery over both kills and occupancy is winning. Anything else is not.
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:38:00 - [224] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 20/04/2009 14:39:44 Originally by: Serenis Ah so the victory condition for factional warfare was defined as controlling systems? Wait no? Well what a conundrum! So it must be having the most kills? Hmmm nope it's not that either is it? Both sides of this argument can pick whatever their most impressive stat is and claim that they are therefore 'winning' or have 'won' FW. You aren't, you didn't, you haven't. It's easy for both of us to claim that beacuse our kills/occupancy are our best stat then PvP/Plexing doesn't matter. They are the same argument from the opposite direction. Neither is valid. Want to know what winning feels like? Ask a Minmatar. Mastery over both kills and occupancy is winning. Anything else is not. Eh? Minmatar have ZERO systems captured or are you putting on sarcasm? or I missed something? And how can ANYONE say losing a ship does not matter. If you have the isk, its a small drop in the ocean, fine, lucky you. But losing a systems don't even tickle me. /me puts the pot back on and starts to stir.
Serenis Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:56:00 - [225] The Minmatar both control more systems and have more kills than the Amarr.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.20 15:40:00 - [226] personally I hope ccp never introduce victory conditions to FW, long may it last, PvP eternal.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.04.20 15:50:00 - [227] Originally by: Serenis The Minmatar both control more systems and have more kills than the Amarr. Don't read the IC Stats. The real situation is here. Minmatar is not controlling ANY Amarr systems yet.
steveid Killed In Action The Firm.	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:33:00 - [228] I've been in three of the four fw races, in fact the corp i'm in used to regularly top the kb in gallente and amarr fw, and I can honestly say that the gallente faction as a whole cares least about plex's. They are there for pvp. Thats why I enjoyed them best.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.21 05:30:00 - [229] Originally by: TooNu I need to take bullet points for an important meeting about what we are doing wrong in the 22nd. Unless I am wrong so far the facts are: - We stab our ships. - Frequently run away. - Have a higher regard for plexing over pvp. - Have no impact on Faction Warfare. - Have members that smack on forums. Have I missed anything? As usual add your accurate information below. toonu u fool....u provided our enemy with our most valuable strategical intel. Ok i will destab my AFs, BCs, Crs and bombers .....and will stick mjolnir in ur ass :) when I meet u in black rise.
Sillas Cov Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.21 06:45:00 - [230] I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas
Suspicious Clone	Posted - 2009.04.21 10:54:00 - [231] Originally by: Sillas Cov I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas Translation: The 22nd are starting to attract attention because of all the smack we make and are finding it harder to capture any complexes.
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:44:00 - [232] Originally by: Sillas Cov I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas quiet you!
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:23:00 - [233] Originally by: Suspicious Clone Originally by: Sillas Cov I think the post congratulating Val really puts all the fail in this tread into shameful perspective.... Let's kill this thread outta respect for the fun we've all have had in Eve. And get let's get on with the drinkin' Shootin' and fightin.... Onward Sillas Translation: The 22nd are starting to attract attention because of all the smack we make and are finding it harder to capture any complexes. I saw a 22nd in Hey the other day and I was like "oww maybe easy target" all because of this thread...
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:33:00 - [234] Originally by: Matharos I saw a 22nd in Hey the other day and I was like "oww maybe easy target" all because of this thread... We may have some warped rep on the forums, but being a 22nd member I can assure you, as you might have already experienced, there are more than a few 22nd pilots one wouldn't want to catch themselves in a dog fight with.
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:58:00 - [235] Originally by: Lord Zekk We may have some warped rep on the forums, but being a 22nd member I can assure you, as you might have already experienced, there are more than a few 22nd pilots one wouldn't want to catch themselves in a dog fight with. Sorry was trying to sound sarcastic
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:59:00 - [236] More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:59:00 - [237] More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.21 21:33:00 - [238] Originally by: Hidden Snake More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come. You are doing a good job so far with your double posts. Keep that noob image going! :D
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.22 04:31:00 - [239] I love this thread. I wake up every morning and look at it grow as if it were my child. BTW, if you don't already download the Fly Reckless podcast. info below. I'm such a *****. AX
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.22 04:50:00 - [240] Originally by: Atraxerxes I'm such a *****. QFT
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.22 07:55:00 - [241] Quote: Ah so the victory condition for factional warfare was defined as controlling systems? Wait no? Well what a conundrum! So it must be having the most kills? Hmmm nope it's not that either is it? Both sides of this argument can pick whatever their most impressive stat is and claim that they are therefore 'winning' or have 'won' FW. Imho, who wins is the one who can say he had fun. In a certain way, both sides win as both get what they were after.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.22 12:43:00 - [242] Edited by: Droog 1 on 22/04/2009 12:43:36 Originally by: Hidden Snake More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come. I thought this guy guy was an easy target until I saw his stats. He is on more kills this month than some of your members and should be avoided at all times. Him and his friends get a lot of kills working with the 22nd. Maybe you could recruit him.
Djalkmarra	Posted - 2009.04.22 13:31:00 - [243] Tropic9 Moros Tama station... need anyone say anymore about who is on the ascendence?
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.22 13:39:00 - [244] Originally by: Droog 1 Edited by: Droog 1 on 22/04/2009 12:43:36 Originally by: Hidden Snake More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come. I thought this guy guy was an easy target until I saw his stats. He is on more kills this month than some of your members and should be avoided at all times. Him and his friends get a lot of kills working with the 22nd. Maybe you could recruit him. I got a chuckle out of this kill, working with the Gallente it appears
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.22 15:53:00 - [245] Edited by: Raimo on 22/04/2009 15:53:45 Originally by: Djalkmarra Tropic9 Moros Tama station... need anyone say anymore about who is on the ascendence? Dude, it was essentially 50 vs 1 and still very close, just won by some decent bumps by someone else than you (I'm fairly certain)... Oh, did you ever hear of insurance btw? It was gf nevertheless ofc. ---
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:11:00 - [246] It was a good kill on Tropics Moros, but to say that means caldari is in ascendancy is a bit of a leap. The Moros has already been replaced so its hardly a crippling blow. But please keep on bringing it, its great to see and we don't really care if we win or loose the fight as long as we get a good fun scrap.
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:52:00 - [247] Biggest problem I see in Gallente vs. Caldari FW is just numbers. I see 5x more Caldari FW'ers flying around than I do Gallente. Caldari seems to like roaming in large gangs half of which are Blackbirds & Falcons (Atraxerxes included.). Maybe you guys broke Gallente's will to fight? I would like to see a gallente gang w/ ECM too, but then I remembered... The other half of Caldari FW is missile users.
Ghost Nightmare Sons of Damnation	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:56:00 - [248] shhhh...... its funny that whenever there is a faction warfare fight, the pirates in the area seem to do the most damage
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:16:00 - [249] Originally by: Ghost Nightmare shhhh...... its funny that whenever there is a faction warfare fight, the pirates in the area seem to do the most damage This.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.23 09:33:00 - [250] It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. I remember situatuin 2 months ago, when frogs were beating us hard and the caldari faction was in diaray after leave of so many experienced fcs (lag reason)....and I remember the rise of current corps and the tactics which gave us victories. Ok most of us migt be younger toons and we fly ghetto boats, but we do fight. So go caldari go!
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.23 13:10:00 - [251] Originally by: Hidden Snake It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. I don't mean for this to sound rude but......What are you talking about???? I have been lots of fleets where if we matched the numbers of the Caldari they run. Last week they outnumbered us and still would not engage. Even last night we jumped into a perv gate camp with similar numbers and they warped out leaving a buddy in a raven on the gate to die. Then later that night after we started plexing to get a fight you guys brought a 40 man gang to take out 15 plexing dessies/cruisers. Go brave Caldari Go
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.23 13:42:00 - [252] Originally by: Hidden Snake It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. I remember situatuin 2 months ago, when frogs were beating us hard and the caldari faction was in diaray after leave of so many experienced fcs (lag reason)....and I remember the rise of current corps and the tactics which gave us victories. Ok most of us migt be younger toons and we fly ghetto boats, but we do fight. So go caldari go! ROFL! Funniest statement so far, well done Hidden Snake
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.23 13:47:00 - [253] Originally by: Matharos Originally by: Hidden Snake It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. bla bla bla bla we gallente are so elite at pvp bla bla bla ....... Then later that night after we started plexing to get a fight you guys brought a 40 man gang to take out 15 plexing dessies/cruisers. Go brave Caldari Go You Failante do the same to us. So don't get high and mighty. This is a war it's not supposed to be fair or pretty. Last night we ended in pretty decent fight after losing a plex to war target gank group (two to one odds). We gathered the troops and come back for second round and kicked the off the plex, since failante plexes belong to us anyways. The local pirates come in with their HIC and BS fleet ganked our battlecruiser fleet. About five minute later a caldari blob fleet taught those dirty pirates a lesson in matters. Unfortunately Invicta had the last lulz by brining in carriers to the fight. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it.
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.23 16:22:00 - [254] Originally by: Draco Rosso Caldari blob fleet Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Keep repeating that to yourself, you know that if you don;t have quality you bring quantity
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.23 16:35:00 - [255] Edited by: X Gallentius on 23/04/2009 16:36:18 Originally by: Draco Rosso Last night we ended in pretty decent fight after losing a plex to war target gank group (two to one odds)..... This was a pretty cool engagement and deserves a writeup in your other thread. From our side: After us losing one tackler and you losing two cruisers we ran you guys out of the plex with only 1 sec remaining on the timer! Which sucks for you, but for some reason made chatgris extremely happy. We got pushed out by your returning fleet, and from far, far away I watched neut pies engage at warp in for your second attempt at capturing plex. I think Darden Claden was at button but was finally run off by pies. Neut pies engaged again on your third attempt to take plex. Neut pie eventually came out to my far off position and pointed but was able to fend him off and warp out before his slower support arrived. Finally with everybody outside of plex, and our gang support coming back with new ships, we entered plex to finally capture it. All the fun pew pew was had by Caldari, tbh.
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.23 18:12:00 - [256] Originally by: Matharos Originally by: Draco Rosso Caldari blob fleet Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Keep repeating that to yourself, you know that if you don;t have quality you bring quantity There is nothing wrong with that as you hold the field at the end of fight. FYI: I think chatgris is just happy he/she??? fianlly won a plex battle. The thing is moc is not really strategically important system atm, we just wanted that plex. : P
Hakaryu Lionheart	Posted - 2009.04.23 19:18:00 - [257] Interesting how many more Gally pilots are in space after this troll - I mean post - went up. I have seen a nice spike in the killboards too! For all the gally pilots in this thread that say they don't care about FW - funny how your actions speak louder than your trolling! Bring it! Hak
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.23 21:33:00 - [258] Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 21:35:38 Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: Matharos Originally by: Draco Rosso Caldari blob fleet Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Keep repeating that to yourself, you know that if you don;t have quality you bring quantity There is nothing wrong with that as you hold the field at the end of fight. FYI: I think chatgris is just happy he/she??? fianlly won a plex battle. The thing is moc is not really strategically important system atm, we just wanted that plex. : P 1) It's he, the caldari males were just too ugly and I wanted the 3 charisma. I really liked gallente though, so I did a science and trade start so I wouldn't start with missile skills :) 2) What do you mean finally? There was that 1 plex won, 2 plexes lost fiasco back in heyd near its fall (of which QCATS wasn't FCing), but there was http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3090405 (lots of t1 frigs and some AF's warping into your rigged cruiser accel camp of doom) for plex battling since then. 3) I think you summed up how I felt perfectly with "The thing is moc is not really strategically important system atm, we just wanted that plex. : P". Really just because I got it with 1 second remaining :) I was happy though cause I know you guys define success not by kills, but by plexes taken. And taking it by 1 second was, for lack of a better term, very smartassy :). Followed by capturing another caldari plex just as a much larger force of caldari was burning to the button. You could say I wanted to beat you at your own game for some variety :P Also, just for Darden and the trolling in this thread, I have taken this screenshot of a lovely rifter with one second left on a major plex in moclinamaud... Complete with combat logs of me desperately trying to lock you guys before you fled from the button again :) Darden, this one's for you!
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.24 01:15:00 - [259] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 2) What do you mean finally!? There was that 1 plex won, 2 plexes lost fiasco back in heyd near its fall (of which QCATS wasn't FCing), but there was http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3090405 (lots of t1 frigs and some AF's warping into your rigged cruiser accel camp of doom) for plex battling since then. The gals held the field and took the loot but we went down fighting. After the fight we come back to area and took more plexes. Sometimes we win when were not getting frig swarmed. More placid Fun Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 I was happy though cause I know you guys define success not by kills, but by plexes taken. And taking it by 1 second was, for lack of a better term, very smartassy :). Followed by capturing another caldari plex just as a much larger force of caldari was burning to the button. You could say I wanted to beat you at your own game for some variety :P We defined our success by systems captured and systems held. We may loose a ton of ships in the process but the end result is the same we take systems and plexes. You haven't beaten us on our game you would have too take back all of v.v. and essence to beat us.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.24 01:42:00 - [260] Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 2) What do you mean finally!? There was that 1 plex won, 2 plexes lost fiasco back in heyd near its fall (of which QCATS wasn't FCing), but there was http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3090405 (lots of t1 frigs and some AF's warping into your rigged cruiser accel camp of doom) for plex battling since then. The gals held the field and took the loot but we went down fighting. After the fight we come back to area and took more plexes. Sometimes we win when were not getting frig swarmed. More placid Fun You definitely get your share of wins, I just took issue with "finally"! I'll also take this opportunity to toss in that you guys regularly stand your ground and fight, in counter to all the "22nd just stabs and runs like little girls" comments. I don't think I've yet encountered a 22nd member that had stabs. Sorry Anna :) Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 I was happy though cause I know you guys define success not by kills, but by plexes taken. And taking it by 1 second was, for lack of a better term, very smartassy :). Followed by capturing another caldari plex just as a much larger force of caldari was burning to the button. You could say I wanted to beat you at your own game for some variety :P We defined our success by systems captured and systems held. We may loose a ton of ships in the process but the end result is the same we take systems and plexes. You haven't beaten us on our game you would have too take back all of v.v. and essence to beat us. Does the thrill of a challenge offset the soul-sucking that is plexing when there aren't wt's around? Will the gallente continue, and possibly increase the number of participants involved, with their plexing? Only time will tell :)
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.24 07:32:00 - [261] Quote: We defined our success by systems captured and systems held. We may loose a ton of ships in the process but the end result is the same we take systems and plexes. Like for the reason Warhammer Online sucks: the bigger zerg in the end wins anyway just because of the sheer wall of meat they bring?
AshenShugar01 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.24 07:38:00 - [262] Edited by: AshenShugar01 on 24/04/2009 07:38:58 The reason for their 'winning' is very simple, 2000 more pilots. 2000!!! and dont argue that 'theres lots of guys in Caldari militia who never participate' etc as we Gallente have that issue too. Regardless squids have a MASSIVE numbers advantage hense they win the plexing 'war' covering more systems with those numbers and having people on in every TZ plexing too. Let me ask this then, if the squids are 'winning' FW where are the kill stats? Gallente seems to do more then hold their own there it seems. Yet you guys have this massive numbers advantage... why doesnt that translate onto the killboards? Prob because plexing is really really easy and pvp is hard and risky and expensive. [i][b]How many Caldari does it take to take a plex? Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and l
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.24 08:14:00 - [263] why people smack the trolls when the thread is called xxxx (trolling encouraged)? Feed the trolls, feed FW! Number of people I've heard in militia chat say "I joined FW cause of that thread in EveO" and we're winning ;-P
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.24 14:18:00 - [264] Quote: why people smack the trolls when the thread is called xxxx (trolling encouraged)? I do it because I like your Asterix sigs. Keep doing more
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.04.24 16:26:00 - [265] Originally by: alexis steele Edited by: alexis steele on 08/04/2009 09:34:21 Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! mmmmmmm stabbed up ehh? never go to find pvp ehh? i sir must say that you are full of it :) the main thing i enjoy in FW is killing my enemys in high sec where they think they are safe from us :) looks like tama is next, although might be a bit harder due to pirates :) I seem to remember someone named Alexis Steele stab up to get out of a station being camped by a 2mil SP char, and a 7.5mil SP char in his Mega & Brutix. Also it is highly likely I sold him those stabs :(
Cosmic Raider Solo Plex	Posted - 2009.04.24 16:34:00 - [266] Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 24/04/2009 16:38:01 Originally by: AshenShugar01 Edited by: AshenShugar01 on 24/04/2009 07:38:58 The reason for their 'winning' is very simple, 2000 more pilots. 2000!!! and dont argue that 'theres lots of guys in Caldari militia who never participate' etc as we Gallente have that issue too. Regardless squids have a MASSIVE numbers advantage hense they win the plexing 'war' covering more systems with those numbers and having people on in every TZ plexing too. Let me ask this then, if the squids are 'winning' FW where are the kill stats? Gallente seems to do more then hold their own there it seems. Yet you guys have this massive numbers advantage... why doesnt that translate onto the killboards? Prob because plexing is really really easy and pvp is hard and risky and expensive. Ashen you know quite well that the numbers of pilots in FW is very different than the numbers actually participating. I doubt that there are more than a couple hundred on either side who actively play FW. With respect to numbers of kills and the Gallente claim that this is where they truly rule, here are the stats as of today (24 April). Gallente Federation kills=45290 Caldari State kills= 42852 You will note the Gallente kill advantage is 2438 since July or less than nine a day. That's hardly decisive and I would note the Gal advanatage was more prominent early on when they had more experience against the mostly noob Caldari. We are catching up. As an aside, the above totals do not capture the entire FW combat picture because action against pirates is not included. I suspect this impacts Caldari more because of the situation in Tama and because we encounter pirates throughout FW space in plexes. Pirates love plexes because it is combat away from gates and stations. There is also no clear advantage in victory points. Despite all the Gal talk of "we pvpers not plexers" the Gals have a ton of victory points. Caldari State victoryPoints= 3087171 Gallente Federation victoryPoints=3019501 So what's the big difference? Control of systems. Caldari seizure of 33 systems, vice the Gal five, speaks to the excellent teamwork established between Caldari Corps. Why this is derided is beyond my ability to understand. The teamwork and cooperation the Caldari established - starting with nothing - in order to take and hold the systems we have should be a source of interest to all 0.0 alliances looking for recruits and a point of satisfaction for CCP who created FW to get us noob carebears into low sec. Ashen's claim that plexing isn't hard may be true if you are only talking about individual plexes but it is not true when you are talking about trying to seize all your opponent's space. Whether it is worth it from a material effort-reward standpoint is not the point and never has been. For us, its all about the challenge. As Bad Messenger once pointed out, the teamwork that has been necessary for our progress has paid off in another more satisfying way. We've met and formed friendships with alot of very cool people. And, we have respect for some of our worthy opponents, like Val, Picado, Loren, and yes, you too Ashen. See you out there. 07 Note: source of stats was http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/test_eve_api.php
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.24 16:47:00 - [267] as your spies should be telling you, even when Gallente had more numbers there is always twice as many caldari logged in. According to Militia Chat number. FW has ALWAYS gone in cycles, why? I have no idea, but it always has and yes I'm talking about fleets for pew pew I don't care about PvE. At the moment the Caldari have much larger numbers in Tama and else where. Every night for the past 2 weeks we see blobs of 40+ go through tama, and now were just waving them off o/ They will get bored again with their blobs, they will stop Xing up, then their blobs will become smaller, then we'll get fights again and the Caldari will X up and the blobs become bigger.. OH WAIT.. THERE IS THE CYCLE.
Snake O'Donell Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.24 18:04:00 - [268] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs as your spies should be telling you, even when Gallente had more numbers there is always twice as many caldari logged in. According to Militia Chat number. FW has ALWAYS gone in cycles, why? I have no idea, but it always has and yes I'm talking about fleets for pew pew I don't care about PvE. At the moment the Caldari have much larger numbers in Tama and else where. Every night for the past 2 weeks we see blobs of 40+ go through tama, and now were just waving them off o/ They will get bored again with their blobs, they will stop Xing up, then their blobs will become smaller, then we'll get fights again and the Caldari will X up and the blobs become bigger.. OH WAIT.. THERE IS THE CYCLE. I'll tell you why the blobs have been getting bigger over the last few weeks. All the competent FC's on the gal side have given up/gotten bored/moved on. Back when -DARK ran fleets on the nightly basis one of two things would happen: 1. we would fight a squid fleet and **** them, or 2. the squids would tuck tail and run back to nourv before we even got the chance to kill them. Sometimes ejecting from a drake in the process to slow us down. If Mitch, Zyck, and myself started running fleets again I guaruntee that you wouldn't see anymore squid blobs.
Captain Darvok Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.04.24 18:36:00 - [269] Originally by: Snake O'Donell I'll tell you why the blobs have been getting bigger over the last few weeks. All the competent FC's on the gal side have given up/gotten bored/moved on. Back when -DARK ran fleets on the nightly basis one of two things would happen: 1. we would fight a squid fleet and **** them, or 2. the squids would tuck tail and run back to nourv before we even got the chance to kill them. Sometimes ejecting from a drake in the process to slow us down. If Mitch, Zyck, and myself started running fleets again I guarantee that you wouldn't see anymore squid blobs. To be honest I would rather bore them and they'll reduce the blobs. This cycle has been going on since day 1 of FW. Each side blobs and the other can't get enough X's. Thats why I like our way of small gang ganks. You only need to look at the history to see the blobs cometh and blobs go.
Cosmic Raider Solo Plex	Posted - 2009.04.24 22:39:00 - [270] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs as your spies should be telling you, even when Gallente had more numbers there is always twice as many caldari logged in. According to Militia Chat number. If you had good spies they would report true numbers to you instead of misleading ones. The number of people in milita chat does not reflect actual active participants. The numbers available for large fleet ops are considerably less when you subtract out the people who are in FW and have never been seen and those who are out plexing. Surely your spies must have reported the recurring question asked in milita chat that goes something like this: "there are x number of people in channel yet only a few in fleet. How can this be?" To me, thats the real question. Why aren't more people who have signed up for FW actually out playing? I think part of the answer is because they are new and a bit intimidated by the whole prospect, don't know people, or what to do, etc. I don't think its the whole answer, just part, but it is something all FW veterans can help with. I try at least once a week to poll in milita for new players and talk to them about FW and things to do. I find that they are extremely interested and often hear comments like "oh then I should change my training plan" or "I need to move my stuff closer to Nourv." I'd bet that Gal noobs would react very posivitely to outreach from veterans such as Evil and Snake.
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.24 23:20:00 - [271] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 24/04/2009 23:20:28 \0/ I DID IT \0/ PAGE 10 \0/ GO go Factional WARFARE! Dude I have the best spys . And both sides have this problem of 200 gallente in chat and only fleets of 20, 400 in caldari and only fleets of 40. Thats numbers, and in PvP numbers are just an excuse. in PvE its an advantage. If I see a blob I can avoid it and smack it, but the plexes always spawn. That (I think imho) is the advantage Caldari have.. and is that Caldari's fault.. of course not, nor is the larger fleets (blob), if I asked for X's I wouldn't say no to more people! Although I did stop a fleet once @ 50 and got dogs abuse from someone. But that was still a massive blob and that was AGES ago. you have large numbers, if 10% are spys, 50% don't fight, 20% do their own thing.. its the same on both sides, you just start from a large number. As for an out reach program, sorry can't do that. But anyone who proves what they can do then we have a chat with them about joining WOLFY, some of our best and craziest pilots are under 10M SP (well below our recruitment policy) however they have proven what they can do in the NPC corp or other corps in FW (not just the gallente). loses don't matter on a KB, getting over it and going back out and killing is what makes you WOLFY. KILLS > DEATHS = GOOD
Cosmic Raider Solo Plex	Posted - 2009.04.25 02:17:00 - [272] Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 25/04/2009 02:18:58 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 24/04/2009 23:20:28 \0/ I DID IT \0/ PAGE 10 \0/ GO go Factional WARFARE! Dude I have the best spys . And both sides have this problem of 200 gallente in chat and only fleets of 20, 400 in caldari and only fleets of 40. Thats numbers, and in PvP numbers are just an excuse. in PvE its an advantage. If I see a blob I can avoid it and smack it, but the plexes always spawn. That (I think imho) is the advantage Caldari have.. and is that Caldari's fault.. of course not, nor is the larger fleets (blob), if I asked for X's I wouldn't say no to more people! Although I did stop a fleet once @ 50 and got dogs abuse from someone. But that was still a massive blob and that was AGES ago. you have large numbers, if 10% are spys, 50% don't fight, 20% do their own thing.. its the same on both sides, you just start from a large number. As for an out reach program, sorry can't do that. But anyone who proves what they can do then we have a chat with them about joining WOLFY, some of our best and craziest pilots are under 10M SP (well below our recruitment policy) however they have proven what they can do in the NPC corp or other corps in FW (not just the gallente). loses don't matter on a KB, getting over it and going back out and killing is what makes you WOLFY. KILLS > DEATHS = GOOD OK well to begin with, I haven't seen you much but I know your rep as a 1337 FC and much love etc. Not disputing that. Please explain... "in PvE its an advantage." You seem like a smart guy. Do you understand our plexing people are spread over 70 systms? Do you get the level of coordination for that? Do you honestly believe plexing is PVE when your own kill leader is also your plex leader? Doesn't Val Erian's achievements, which you have rightly touted on this forum, clue you into the idea that plexing is PVP? "As for an out reach program, sorry can't do that." Talking about personal effort here, not a program. Are you seriously saying new players are not worth your time? If so, how will FW grow? If so, you really have no complaint about numbers. Suggest you take a longer view. Yours in opposition, Cosmic
AshenShugar01 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.25 08:11:00 - [273] I agree with you Cosmic in that there are large percentages of pilots in militia who do not participate, and this is a problem on both sides. This does not mean the Caldari have a massive numerical advantage. Lets guess the % is the same on both sides still gives the State Protectorate a massive advantage. Plexing is extremely easy, yes there are pies and rats and other 'problems' but you could never say that plexing is hard or even challenging. Esp with defensive plexing, a 3 week old noob can sit on a button in a heron and decontest a system. I give the Caldari credit for being organised, far more organised then they used to be but this orgagnisation seems to present itself more and more as simple numbers. A plex appears that Gallente might fight over? Lets fill it with 14 destroyers (eh Pervs?) to ensure they dont fight... Wolfy might get us in Tama? Lets form up in a massive blob so they wont fight us... Dark getting a bit organised? Lets hire some Mercenaries to war declare them, get some more numbers, heaven forbid they may make a fight of it... (Perv's again I'm afraid I lose more and more respect for these guys each day, which is sad) I commend your efforts Cosmic (you are one of many Caldari I like and respect) esp in taking new FW players under your wing, thats something we Gallente should be doing too. However you cant honestly say that Caldari have no numbers advantage... even if the number of active pilots is a lot less then the total number its still huge. The diff isnt system control, nor is it VPs its numbers which count the same in FW as they do in 0.0. Bigger alliance = more systems, bigger militia = more systems. Sadly, as I am the one member of the pack who actually has plexed a lot, plexing has become completely pointless. I will still do it.... not much by way of gf in my TZ, but more to bug you squids then anything else, I know that should we get a system 'bright' as it were Perv's and 22nd will come with such numbers so as to insure there will be no fight. What i would like and respect more is an enemy that uses its excellent organisation skills to form more small gangs, more balanced and skilled etc. Use that to take on Wolfy and to take the plexes. Maybe then more Gallente will plex. Maybe then there will be less pointless drivel smacktalk in local and better gf's for all. How many Caldari does it take to take a plex? Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots... apparently
Faranti Centro Caldari 3M Enterprises	Posted - 2009.04.25 12:06:00 - [274] Damit out of popcorn ! Good thing it's time for a commercial break...
Booby Trap	Posted - 2009.04.25 13:30:00 - [275] I am a few weeks away from entering the fight and I am not all knowing but I thought complexes where there so that newbies could take advantage of the ship restrictions and get a more balanced fight. After all, there is no fun in being ganked by 20 million sp pilots flying HACS when all you can fly is a Cruiser. Of course the side with larger numbers of whatever type ship should win but I can't see why CCP gave the NPCs in complexes EW. It is all very well knowing that you have equal numbers but once NPCs ( Especially Caldari) start using EW it tips the balance in favour of the defender. I do not think this is good for encouraging fighting in complexes. 2 cents
Fawkyou Pirates	Posted - 2009.04.25 20:18:00 - [276] Caldari is like 60% of the player base... Nuff said?
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.25 23:03:00 - [277] Originally by: Faranti Centro Damit out of popcorn ! Good thing it's time for a commercial break... Anna, did you inadvertently post with an alt? :P
Vincent Death Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2009.04.26 02:13:00 - [278] Maybe I should quit FW so you Gallente have more of a chance. The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism.
Anna Sophia 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.04.26 08:32:00 - [279] Originally by: chatgris Originally by: Faranti Centro Damit out of popcorn ! Good thing it's time for a commercial break... Anna, did you inadvertently post with an alt? :P looks like I wasn't the only one with popcorn.. hmm and if I posted with an alt, it would most definitely not be a male avatar!
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.26 09:38:00 - [280] The lol wardecs on my corp are now a little out of hand, not from a 'war' point of view, we welcome it. The challenge as im sure the caldari are aware, is it takes us out of the large fleet action game. You cannot fight an enemy, in a large fleet of mixed corps, when one corp is wardecced by a specific enemy r/r bs gang in lowsec sitting between you and the hostiles. Take friday night for example, what exactly where you hoping to achieve with this? 11 r/r bs (war decced only to dark) 60 caldari in hey on the oms gate... 47 in the gallente fleet (21 of them dark) As you are fully aware, from previous actions. I would hapily engage the 60 caldari vs 47 gallente. Your missile based ships have low alpha and your fc'ing is pretty terrible in the main, however with the added risk of a corp specific target, immune to the main stay of the fleet due to gate aggro on t1 frigs and cruisers... what would you do? blue ball, which is what i did.. and theres me thinking fw was pvp eh. prats. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.26 10:30:00 - [281] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Take friday night for example, what exactly where you hoping to achieve with this? 11 r/r bs (war decced only to dark) 60 caldari in hey on the oms gate... 47 in the gallente fleet (21 of them dark) As you are fully aware, from previous actions. I would hapily engage the 60 caldari vs 47 gallente. Your missile based ships have low alpha and your fc'ing is pretty terrible in the main, however with the added risk of a corp specific target, immune to the main stay of the fleet due to gate aggro on t1 frigs and cruisers... what would you do? blue ball, which is what i did.. and theres me thinking fw was pvp eh. prats. Only the Squids could want less targets and less PvP. Hiding in plexes and bringing in outsiders to help them when they have a clear numerical advantage is pretty laffo. I have to question the intelligence and logic of trying to get the people you are supposed to have fun fighting to quit or leave. This isn't a 0.0 conflict over territory, it's supposed to be a fight for fun. Unfortunately the Squids don't like a challenge or a test of skill.(Probably comes from too much mission running) This propaganda thread was good for the Gallente because it brought more players onto the Squid side and more targets because they thought the Squids were 'winning'. Unfortunately it seems to have brought more deadweights to their side. So yeah, blueball them until they grow a pair.
Faranti Centro Caldari 3M Enterprises	Posted - 2009.04.26 11:24:00 - [282] Originally by: Anna Sophia Originally by: chatgris Originally by: Faranti Centro Damit out of popcorn ! Good thing it's time for a commercial break... Anna, did you inadvertently post with an alt? :P looks like I wasn't the only one with popcorn.. hmm and if I posted with an alt, it would most definitely not be a male avatar! A few weeks away from plexing and I'm totally forgotten ?
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.04.26 11:27:00 - [283] Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 26/04/2009 11:30:15 Originally by: Mitch Taylor The lol wardecs on my corp are now a little out of hand, not from a 'war' point of view, we welcome it. The challenge as im sure the caldari are aware, is it takes us out of the large fleet action game. I do have to point that at the start of the FW, Caldari corps suffered from exactly same things when Star Fraction wardecced St33l Soldiers and half of Eve wardecced State Protectorate Academy. This is not a unique occurrence in history of FW. Also, I believe Caldari militia still has corporations war-deccing other militia corps (But this probably happens in other militias as well) Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.26 11:34:00 - [284] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Mitch Taylor The lol wardecs on my corp are now a little out of hand, not from a 'war' point of view, we welcome it. The challenge as im sure the caldari are aware, is it takes us out of the large fleet action game. I do have to point that at the start of the FW, Caldari corps suffered from exactly same things when Star Fraction wardecced St33l Soldiers and half of Eve wardecced State Protectorate Academy. Also, I believe Caldari militia still has corporations war-deccing other militia corps (But this probably happens in other militias as well) Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Im not aware of any gallente in-fighting currently occuring, were too busy failing ;P however, there are elements in the milita who are fighting back. My issue is, FW is meant to be lol's as the alt said ^ a lot of us have done the 0.0 pos bashing and 'serious internet spaceship bizness' and this is just meant to be a laugh. With the complex mechanics introduced by getting merc corps to war dec the big players, it makes it all rather too serious for me and my talents and that of my corp are better suited playing the real game, not lolling about in fw. Shame really, dark met its personal objectives from fw which was to rebuild the base of the corp by using it as a recruitment tool, now theres little reason to hang around. Could have been fun too. gg whoevers behind it, enjoy not fighting some more. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Skjorta	Posted - 2009.04.26 18:08:00 - [285] Caldari State * 5,177 pilots enrolled Gallente Federation * 3,313 pilots enrolled this might be why.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.27 08:00:00 - [286] Originally by: Skjorta Caldari State * 5,177 pilots enrolled Gallente Federation * 3,313 pilots enrolled this might be why. Numbers of active pilots counts, but actualy gallente loosing on pvp too.... ... you cannot whitstand our might strikes
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.27 08:11:00 - [287] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 27/04/2009 08:16:13 Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 27/04/2009 08:14:50 Snake u been sleep reading? Or are you getting these stats from .. ICS ? iF you look at kills per member per week, We are above you ALWAYS ICS ? If you look at kills per member per month, Its hard to tell, but I looks like Squids are bottom most of the time. Or is it that WOLFY are ignoring your blobs in tama, cause lets be honest, we would rather smack our heads against the wall than fight with the lag. I mean we used to get some great 30v10's and we would fight but the buff to the bomber means that 40v10 ain't an option. Or is it that you are now having to fight pirates in far off systems cause the gallente are ignoring your blobs and killing your stragglers so our stats are not as good as they were. Or is it from the ICS Corp stats, that still have WOLFY number 1 killers in FW for the past 7 days like for 2 months (since the end of the tourney). But if its true (Your killboard sucks btw, keeps crashing) its cause of silly idiots in the Gallente fighting your blobs or falling for your bait and blob. But don't worry, this always happens, you will bore the gallente (in fact DONE), they will stop Xing up, your guys will get bored, they will stop Xing up, You end up with smaller fleets, Gallente X up then and the cycle begins again. But as we say in WOLFY, we don't mind picking up your stragglers. Just look at the history of FW since it start.. THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS... Its the FW cycle. And all the time we cloaky ***gots pick you off one at a time.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.04.27 10:47:00 - [288] Originally by: Hidden Snake Originally by: Skjorta Caldari State * 5,177 pilots enrolled Gallente Federation * 3,313 pilots enrolled this might be why. Numbers of active pilots counts, but actualy gallente loosing on pvp too.... ... you cannot whitstand our might strikes I have to say, Snake, Evil has it right there. The Caldari may have a marginal lead in the kills recently, but with a population advantage of 5:3, that's not exactly impressive. In fact, given the numerical superiority, you should be well ahead of us. The advantage you have on the overall figure is not significant enough for you to brag about it yet. As Evil points out, the Gallente pilots have a much higher average standing than the Caldari ones, both on victory points and kills. Your might, it seems, is rather diluted. There is another point in that sabotaging the largest corps on either side by the extensive wardecs may lead to easier victories, but it's not very good for the game in the long term. Eventually, you push out the corporation, and the fleets dwindle. This then means that you come out looking for a fight, and nothing happens. You get bored. Corps start leaving the Caldari side to find something more interesting to do. Caldari can't field large fleets anymore. Everything goes very quiet for a period. One side will eventually start picking up again, but there is a long fallow period that a lot of people will get bored in. I find it hard to recall any Gallente corp actually hiring neutral corps to wardec the Caldari. That's not to say it hasn't happened, just that it wasn't common knowledge in militia. The Star Fraction thing is a good example, as they could possibly have been hired, but no-one in the militia ever admitted to it (that I am aware of, anyway). The current actions have prevented a few FCs from taking command, and lag has been the reason for others refusing to take fleets. The Caldari now regularly field big fleets that go up and down the Tama-OMS pipes with little action, and often camp Villore. They pick off a few unfortunate and stupid pilots, but return home ultimately unsatisfied. I'm happy that the Caldari are starting to get more actively involved with the PvP aspect, but there is an important dynamic you have to remember. If one force is overwhelmed by another, they will try to avoid conflict if possible. If a fleet action is 60v20, the smaller fleet will flee (after all, little glory in suicide), but if it's 60v50, you're far more likely to get a battle. If the Caldari field 50+ fleets with 20-30 neutrals waiting in the wings to take out certain individuals, on top of the existing lag issues, you simply aren't going to get a battle.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.04.27 11:23:00 - [289] Originally by: Ratchman I find it hard to recall any Gallente corp actually hiring neutral corps to wardec the Caldari. That's not to say it hasn't happened, just that it wasn't common knowledge in militia. Quite recently, 22nd was wardecced by Guiding Hand Social Club. This was definetly a paid job to sabotage plexing efforts and I believe GHSC admitted as such if my information is accurate. I dont think this war dec had any real effect however. But since it was aimed at plexing, I find it hard to imagine "banker" could be anywhere else than in Gallente militia. Even if I sound biased, i'm willing to bet that most of neutral efforts have been aimed at Caldari corps. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.27 11:57:00 - [290] Honest question, and I am trolling slightly here .. but -Dark gets war decc'ed massively -22nd gets war decc'ed -There is in fighting in the Caldari Militia. I mean we are the biggest smacktards, top killers, live in one system. Why don't we get some war dec loving? Its cause were nano cloaking sados or is it that were still too small to justify the war dec? Or is it cause we sit in station spinning ships all day? On the other hand, <it wasn't me or us> but if you don't want to plex the best way to stop plexers is to war dec them, pay someone else to do it.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:06:00 - [291] You're not important enough. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:08:00 - [292] Originally by: Unfamed II You're not important enough. Aww come on, to me I'm very important.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:12:00 - [293] No, really, you're not important enough. There's a logic behind this but I'll leave it for you to figure out. It's quite easy. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:04:00 - [294] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 27/04/2009 13:07:58 Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 27/04/2009 13:06:12 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Originally by: Unfamed II You're not important enough. Aww come on, to me I'm very important. And your important to me dear... I think what our honourable foe refers to is cause and effect. By war decing you guys, what do they actually achieve? You could quite easily continue what you are doing with active war'decs. By war decing dark, they stop us adding a decent fc and 20 sniper bs to the large fleets, which had consistantly handed the caldari their arse on a weekly basis. It also distracts us from doing exactly what they have been goading us to do for the past few months, plex... which for me is the barmy part, cos I can for sure understand why they dont want to fleet pvp against us. So by involving neutrals they can walk around feeling all well endowed. Just as a thought.... This problem would be solved by using the alliance mechanic for war decs... if they dec the corp, they dec the alliance! now that would be interesting wouldn't it The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:48:00 - [295] Originally by: Mitch Taylor This problem would be solved by using the alliance mechanic for war decs... if they dec the corp, they dec the alliance! now that would be interesting wouldn't it Another Caldari corp was decced today by....another Caldari corp... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:08:00 - [296] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Mitch Taylor This problem would be solved by using the alliance mechanic for war decs... if they dec the corp, they dec the alliance! now that would be interesting wouldn't it Another Caldari corp was decced today by....another Caldari corp... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General I appreciate what your trying to say Damar, however I think this is a seperate issue. What I'm higlighting is... This thread is highlighting the inactivity of gallente milita corps, lack of care of plexing etc. My corporation has given these things a go, as it quite simply wasn't on our agenda at all, we are met not with the force of our enemy, but various random war decs who appear to hang around with the war targets like limpets. A tragic state of affairs im sure you will agree. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:06:00 - [297] Quote: To me, thats the real question. Why aren't more people who have signed up for FW actually out playing? I think part of the answer is because they are new and a bit intimidated by the whole prospect, don't know people, or what to do, etc. I don't think its the whole answer, just part, but it is something all FW veterans can help with Because the good FCs are rare, so by X-ing up you tend to end up in a bloodbath for nothing. Quote: The lol wardecs on my corp are now a little out of hand, not from a 'war' point of view, we welcome it. The challenge as im sure the caldari are aware, is it takes us out of the large fleet action game. You cannot fight an enemy, in a large fleet of mixed corps, when one corp is wardecced by a specific enemy r/r bs gang in lowsec sitting between you and the hostiles. Take friday night for example, what exactly where you hoping to achieve with this? Also, I'd like to add: no problem going 47 vs 60, if Mitch believes it can be done, it is almost sure it will be done (barring lag or random incidents). The problem is that if 20 of those 60 are professionally trained mercs this further imbalances and already 15-20% disadvantage to worse values. Also, once again you use stronger PvE (ie gate sentries aggroing only us) because you can't have the guts for straight-in-face PvP. Add to this the fact you also hire high sec harassers. While perfectly valid game feature, then don't expect we are so stupid to happily go to a slaughter for your happy evenings. Yes, using 10000% of the subtlest game features to cripple the opponent is the valid way also stated in the classic "Play to win" essay. But that essay does not cover the case where the opponent can relocate and leave you in your lonely "I won" niche, while they go play in other regions where there's something actually at stake for winning or losing. Quote: Quite recently, 22nd was wardecced by Guiding Hand Social Club. This was definetly a paid job to sabotage plexing efforts and I believe GHSC admitted as such if my information is accurate We did not hire them and I can put my hand on the fire that Wolfy did not either. We are always looking for more victi.... ehm war targets, not less, and the Gallente style is about having a scrappin' not about knotty indirect jabs.
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:25:00 - [298] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: To me, thats the real question. Why aren't more people who have signed up for FW actually out playing? I think part of the answer is because they are new and a bit intimidated by the whole prospect, don't know people, or what to do, etc. I don't think its the whole answer, just part, but it is something all FW veterans can help with Because the good FCs are rare, so by X-ing up you tend to end up in a bloodbath for nothing. Or it IS intimidating to noobs traveling through lowsec. Ohnoes what if there is a gate camp and I lose my ship, it'll take me 4 weeks to replace that failboat! On a more serious note, yeah I am sure that having a good FC would make a big difference, but a competent scout would make just as much. Too much blame is usually directed to the FC that is given poor intel.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:52:00 - [299] FW is pretty much a borked system. It's underdeveloped and what development it does have is pretty poor. It's basically just a free and relatively broad corporate war dec, which is ok in its own right, I suppose, but is severely lacking as a "faction war" system. Reasons FW basically sucks, at least if you want it to actually function as a warfare system (and this is not all inclusive - not even close): -The actual warfare objectives have no value - intrinsic, strategic, or otherwise. -Capturing said worthless objectives is more frequently a drawn out and boring PvE experience, not a fun and engaging PvP experience. -Combining the previous two points means a lot of players simply aren't interested in bothering with objectives, and if you're not fighting for objectives, you're not fighting a war, you're just playing a Quake deathmatch in space. End result? You end up with a truly idiotic situation where Faction A blobs up and goes and sits in the "home" system of Faction B, or vice versa, until Faction B blobs up and goes out to meet them so they can fight for the sake of fighting - something which, incidentally, should never happen in an actual war unless both sides are commanded by folks with sub-room-temperature IQs. It would make far more sense, for instance, for Faction B to bypass Faction A's blob and go out and capture their holdings while Faction B's force is all gathered in one place being worthless. That never happens, though, because no one cares about the objectives, and only about pewpewing at each other - which, again, isn't objectively bad on the whole, but in the context of a factional warfare system is less than ideal. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Pride NL The Legendaries	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:58:00 - [300] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs if I asked for X's I wouldn't say no to more people! Although I did stop a fleet once @ 50 and got dogs abuse from someone. That is where you go wrong. When I have a fleet (on occasion) I limit my fleet to meet the demands. IE if Caldari comes with 15, I will come with 12 (not because we are better, but because the chance of the enemy running is smaller) (please do not take this as smack or w/e). @SurrenderMonkey:FW is just a free war. No One Better
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:06:00 - [301] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 27/04/2009 17:06:11 Originally by: Pride NL @SurrenderMonkey:FW is just a free war. Pretty sure that's what I just said. :D I just also said it should be more. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:52:00 - [302] Originally by: Unfamed II No, really, you're not important enough. There's a logic behind this but I'll leave it for you to figure out. It's quite easy. Space ***gots and Local Spammers United (op asked for trolling) are hardly worth a war dec either. You spend all day hiding behind NPCs in plexes indulging in 'Arena' style PvP duels in destroyers ffs. For the most part the Gallente ignore you. You know that right? Why do you think we don't just blob you out of the plexes in OMS when we are right next door? Occasionally some newbie will Leroy his gang into you but that's about all you can hope for. You know full well that if PERVS didn't have the plexes to hide in FW would be a very different place for you and your little corp.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:15:00 - [303] Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Unfamed II No, really, you're not important enough. There's a logic behind this but I'll leave it for you to figure out. It's quite easy. Space *gots and Local Spammers United (op asked for trolling) are hardly worth a war dec either. You spend all day hiding behind NPCs in plexes indulging in 'Arena' style PvP duels in destroyers ffs. For the most part the Gallente ignore you. You know that right? Why do you think we don't just blob you out of the plexes in OMS when we are right next door? Occasionally some newbie will Leroy his gang into you but that's about all you can hope for. You know full well that if PERVS didn't have the plexes to hide in FW would be a very different place for you and your little corp. hi val Originally by:** Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:27:00 - [304] Originally by: Unfamed II Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Unfamed II No, really, you're not important enough. There's a logic behind this but I'll leave it for you to figure out. It's quite easy. Space ***gots and Local Spammers United (op asked for trolling) are hardly worth a war dec either. You spend all day hiding behind NPCs in plexes indulging in 'Arena' style PvP duels in destroyers ffs. For the most part the Gallente ignore you. You know that right? Why do you think we don't just blob you out of the plexes in OMS when we are right next door? Occasionally some newbie will Leroy his gang into you but that's about all you can hope for. You know full well that if PERVS didn't have the plexes to hide in FW would be a very different place for you and your little corp. hi val Lol...named and shamed. Though seriously, somebody berates the use of plexes as a place for exciting pvp? wtf!
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:48:00 - [305] Originally by: Hurtado Soneka Lol...named and shamed. Though seriously, somebody berates the use of plexes as a place for exciting pvp? wtf! You know, this might actually be true as many things Droog refers to are something i've witnessed Val saying either in local or in conversation I had with him. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:22:00 - [306] Quote: Lol...named and shamed. Though seriously, somebody berates the use of plexes as a place for exciting pvp? wtf! No, Droog isnt my alt. I have no issue saying things in the open. That Droog says the exact opposite of what I would actualy say, and that a Perv is the one you relying on for your info should tell you enough.
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.27 22:23:00 - [307] Originally by: Val Erian Edited by: Val Erian on 27/04/2009 21:42:40 Quote: Lol...named and shamed. Though seriously, somebody berates the use of plexes as a place for exciting pvp? wtf! No, Droog isnt my alt. I have no issue saying things in the open. That Droog says the exact opposite of what I would actualy say, and that a Perv is the one you relying on for your info should tell you enough. So where exactly do you stand on all this? I'm sure some of us want to know.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.28 01:53:00 - [308] Originally by: Draco Rosso So where exactly do you stand on all this? I'm sure some of us want to know. I have it on good authority, val uses his medal to stir his mojitos. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Cosmic Raider Solo Plex	Posted - 2009.04.28 18:04:00 - [309] Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Unfamed II No, really, you're not important enough. There's a logic behind this but I'll leave it for you to figure out. It's quite easy. Space ***gots and Local Spammers United (op asked for trolling) are hardly worth a war dec either. You spend all day hiding behind NPCs in plexes indulging in 'Arena' style PvP duels in destroyers ffs. For the most part the Gallente ignore you. You know that right? Why do you think we don't just blob you out of the plexes in OMS when we are right next door? Occasionally some newbie will Leroy his gang into you but that's about all you can hope for. You know full well that if PERVS didn't have the plexes to hide in FW would be a very different place for you and your little corp. The alt is Droog, the main is Ignorance.
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:38:00 - [310] Hot dropping all of Placid in frigates. Blob this!. AX EVE's #1 (& currently only) podcast "Fly Reckless" Fly Reckless Voted "Best New Comer" EON Magazine 2009. Listen to it today
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:49:00 - [311] Originally by: Atraxerxes Hot dropping all of Placid in cloaked, warp core stabbed frigates. Blob this!. fixed.
Lucjan	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:12:00 - [312] If FW is over : all Caldari should get a bonus. Fleet bonus or something. Next time other lazy factions will play harder. PS: I'm not caldari and don't have any caldari characters.
Chrocell Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:40:00 - [313] I stab all my frigs.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:46:00 - [314] This vegetarian tortellini gave me the worst gas
Sebastien LaForge Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.06 19:01:00 - [315] I quite enjoyed the light show the Caldari put on for us last night in Sujarento. :)
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.06 21:49:00 - [316] Originally by: Lucjan If FW is over : all Caldari should get a bonus. Fleet bonus or something. Next time other lazy factions will play harder. PS: I'm not caldari and don't have any caldari characters. I 100% agree... That is the thing. Someone asked me tonight..."Evil you have a high rank in the gallente, and the only way to get that is plexing.. so you talk rubbish in EvEo". I pointed out, that I only did this when there was an aim to become Gallente PvP Captain in the tourney. So there was something for me \0/ If there was a.. reward.. or EVEN BETTER a punishment, it would be great. However there isn't and thats it /o\
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.05.07 07:02:00 - [317] Edited by: Endamarena on 07/05/2009 07:03:12 Edited by: Endamarena on 07/05/2009 07:02:54 Caldari FW have won b/c they now have gallente FW RR them during battles.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.07 09:26:00 - [318] Quote: If FW is over : all Caldari should get a bonus. Fleet bonus or something. They should gain something like sovereignty. Their low sec would stay low sec for non Caldaris but become 0.5 sec for themselves. Then something good and worthwhile should spawn in those systems, say a low yeld dispro moon (!), so that someone finally can be arsed to feel like they want to fight for a reason, and thus bother with battling for conquering those systems.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.07 10:15:00 - [319] Rewards, what? You learn to fight, ain't that a reward in itself? Of course you have to spend some iskies and time but you'll learn to fight. It's the most valuable asset you can ever get in eve. During the process of learning, you will get ganked many many times, but the times you actually get a 'fair' fight you better take all you can get from it. All it takes is the acceptance of that you will lose in the beginning, and lose a lot. Eventually you will get your first victory and then perhaps a second one. Everyone should try to achieve a few solo victories now and then, even if it comes down to you fighting in a frig versus someone in destroyer or perhaps even a cruiser. Well of course you could hoard iskies like no tomorrow with no experience of pvp, and what good is that isk then? You can't buy experience. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.07 12:57:00 - [320] It would be cool if the event team (if it even still exists) would take command of some faction ships and roam about in the warzone, they would obviously be a challenge to kill but could drop some funky stuff ;) Just an idea, of course as unfamed said pvp is its own reward. The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Wizardus Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.08 20:35:00 - [321] Edited by: Wizardus on 08/05/2009 20:37:17 Fleet warfare is my excuse to kill nooobs and be a bully! Well not so much that but truth be told; I don't care about capturing stuff and I don't think many gallente players do. I think it's fun to have someone to fight legally and not suffer a sec hit. Honestly I just think there are no more systems for you 22nd guys to cap and thus you're tyring to do an attempt which will become a failure... that attempt is to get the gallente to give a rats arse about systems. Sorry guys but if I wanted to plex I would of become a calamari just like you guys are.
W0otZ	Posted - 2009.05.08 22:09:00 - [322] Originally by: Odewad Your whole problem, other than obvious E-peen envy, is you failed to notice that Gallente were French. You actually expected the French to fight for their territory? White flag, cheese and some wine please! Sucks there's no AMERICA to bail them out :P
Lt Forge	Posted - 2009.05.09 01:03:00 - [323] Warning: Alcohol was inserted befoer typing hick Eventually, CCP will notice that the Caldari is actually overpowered in statistics (maybe not in experience, but hey) and numbers and almost or already fruitlessly took all the sectors in Gallente region. Either they will remove FW, they will reset FW, they nerf Caldari as ** to torture the little kiddies and give the Gallente. It's a game people, a GAME**. It's not some contest about who's e-peen is the biggest. The moment FW was active in the game, Caldari kiddies from across the State (read: only Jita, my bad) to the beloved Gallente, who are actually more of a 'first read, then use' type of person. Caldari people only exist out of two people: kiddies AKA FW-players and the ultimatly rare class called 'regular players', roughly only 1% of the Caldari population. And wa bla bla. ~Someone who doesn't care a damn about FW, shield- & missile-whoring mids-in-their-puberty Caldari kiddies and/or FW and just want to play the damn game without any idiots ruining the overal game. Go back to WoW where you belong. Note: Has anyone off you ever noticed that the Minmatar-Amarr FW remained like that for like.. since the beginning?

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