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Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.22 07:55:00 - [241] Quote: Ah so the victory condition for factional warfare was defined as controlling systems? Wait no? Well what a conundrum! So it must be having the most kills? Hmmm nope it's not that either is it? Both sides of this argument can pick whatever their most impressive stat is and claim that they are therefore 'winning' or have 'won' FW. Imho, who wins is the one who can say he had fun. In a certain way, both sides win as both get what they were after.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.22 12:43:00 - [242] Edited by: Droog 1 on 22/04/2009 12:43:36 Originally by: Hidden Snake More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come. I thought this guy guy was an easy target until I saw his stats. He is on more kills this month than some of your members and should be avoided at all times. Him and his friends get a lot of kills working with the 22nd. Maybe you could recruit him.
Djalkmarra	Posted - 2009.04.22 13:31:00 - [243] Tropic9 Moros Tama station... need anyone say anymore about who is on the ascendence?
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.22 13:39:00 - [244] Originally by: Droog 1 Edited by: Droog 1 on 22/04/2009 12:43:36 Originally by: Hidden Snake More, more. .... I like reputation of easy target :) It means more noobs to come. I thought this guy guy was an easy target until I saw his stats. He is on more kills this month than some of your members and should be avoided at all times. Him and his friends get a lot of kills working with the 22nd. Maybe you could recruit him. I got a chuckle out of this kill, working with the Gallente it appears
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.22 15:53:00 - [245] Edited by: Raimo on 22/04/2009 15:53:45 Originally by: Djalkmarra Tropic9 Moros Tama station... need anyone say anymore about who is on the ascendence? Dude, it was essentially 50 vs 1 and still very close, just won by some decent bumps by someone else than you (I'm fairly certain)... Oh, did you ever hear of insurance btw? It was gf nevertheless ofc. ---
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:11:00 - [246] It was a good kill on Tropics Moros, but to say that means caldari is in ascendancy is a bit of a leap. The Moros has already been replaced so its hardly a crippling blow. But please keep on bringing it, its great to see and we don't really care if we win or loose the fight as long as we get a good fun scrap.
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:52:00 - [247] Biggest problem I see in Gallente vs. Caldari FW is just numbers. I see 5x more Caldari FW'ers flying around than I do Gallente. Caldari seems to like roaming in large gangs half of which are Blackbirds & Falcons (Atraxerxes included.). Maybe you guys broke Gallente's will to fight? I would like to see a gallente gang w/ ECM too, but then I remembered... The other half of Caldari FW is missile users.
Ghost Nightmare Sons of Damnation	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:56:00 - [248] shhhh...... its funny that whenever there is a faction warfare fight, the pirates in the area seem to do the most damage
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:16:00 - [249] Originally by: Ghost Nightmare shhhh...... its funny that whenever there is a faction warfare fight, the pirates in the area seem to do the most damage This.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.04.23 09:33:00 - [250] It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. I remember situatuin 2 months ago, when frogs were beating us hard and the caldari faction was in diaray after leave of so many experienced fcs (lag reason)....and I remember the rise of current corps and the tactics which gave us victories. Ok most of us migt be younger toons and we fly ghetto boats, but we do fight. So go caldari go!

Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.23 13:10:00 - [251] Originally by: Hidden Snake It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. I don't mean for this to sound rude but......What are you talking about???? I have been lots of fleets where if we matched the numbers of the Caldari they run. Last week they outnumbered us and still would not engage. Even last night we jumped into a perv gate camp with similar numbers and they warped out leaving a buddy in a raven on the gate to die. Then later that night after we started plexing to get a fight you guys brought a 40 man gang to take out 15 plexing dessies/cruisers. Go brave Caldari Go
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.23 13:42:00 - [252] Originally by: Hidden Snake It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. I remember situatuin 2 months ago, when frogs were beating us hard and the caldari faction was in diaray after leave of so many experienced fcs (lag reason)....and I remember the rise of current corps and the tactics which gave us victories. Ok most of us migt be younger toons and we fly ghetto boats, but we do fight. So go caldari go! ROFL! Funniest statement so far, well done Hidden Snake
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.23 13:47:00 - [253] Originally by: Matharos Originally by: Hidden Snake It is about will to fight. Caldari just fight and do not care. bla bla bla bla we gallente are so elite at pvp bla bla bla ....... Then later that night after we started plexing to get a fight you guys brought a 40 man gang to take out 15 plexing dessies/cruisers. Go brave Caldari Go You Failante do the same to us. So don't get high and mighty. This is a war it's not supposed to be fair or pretty. Last night we ended in pretty decent fight after losing a plex to war target gank group (two to one odds). We gathered the troops and come back for second round and kicked the off the plex, since failante plexes belong to us anyways. The local pirates come in with their HIC and BS fleet ganked our battlecruiser fleet. About five minute later a caldari blob fleet taught those dirty pirates a lesson in matters. Unfortunately Invicta had the last lulz by brining in carriers to the fight. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it.
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.23 16:22:00 - [254] Originally by: Draco Rosso Caldari blob fleet Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Keep repeating that to yourself, you know that if you don;t have quality you bring quantity
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.23 16:35:00 - [255] Edited by: X Gallentius on 23/04/2009 16:36:18 Originally by: Draco Rosso Last night we ended in pretty decent fight after losing a plex to war target gank group (two to one odds)..... This was a pretty cool engagement and deserves a writeup in your other thread. From our side: After us losing one tackler and you losing two cruisers we ran you guys out of the plex with only 1 sec remaining on the timer! Which sucks for you, but for some reason made chatgris extremely happy. We got pushed out by your returning fleet, and from far, far away I watched neut pies engage at warp in for your second attempt at capturing plex. I think Darden Claden was at button but was finally run off by pies. Neut pies engaged again on your third attempt to take plex. Neut pie eventually came out to my far off position and pointed but was able to fend him off and warp out before his slower support arrived. Finally with everybody outside of plex, and our gang support coming back with new ships, we entered plex to finally capture it. All the fun pew pew was had by Caldari, tbh.
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.23 18:12:00 - [256] Originally by: Matharos Originally by: Draco Rosso Caldari blob fleet Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Keep repeating that to yourself, you know that if you don;t have quality you bring quantity There is nothing wrong with that as you hold the field at the end of fight. FYI: I think chatgris is just happy he/she??? fianlly won a plex battle. The thing is moc is not really strategically important system atm, we just wanted that plex. : P
Hakaryu Lionheart	Posted - 2009.04.23 19:18:00 - [257] Interesting how many more Gally pilots are in space after this troll - I mean post - went up. I have seen a nice spike in the killboards too! For all the gally pilots in this thread that say they don't care about FW - funny how your actions speak louder than your trolling! Bring it! Hak
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.23 21:33:00 - [258] Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 21:35:38 Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: Matharos Originally by: Draco Rosso Caldari blob fleet Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Everyone blobs and that's all there is too it. Keep repeating that to yourself, you know that if you don;t have quality you bring quantity There is nothing wrong with that as you hold the field at the end of fight. FYI: I think chatgris is just happy he/she??? fianlly won a plex battle. The thing is moc is not really strategically important system atm, we just wanted that plex. : P 1) It's he, the caldari males were just too ugly and I wanted the 3 charisma. I really liked gallente though, so I did a science and trade start so I wouldn't start with missile skills :) 2) What do you mean finally? There was that 1 plex won, 2 plexes lost fiasco back in heyd near its fall (of which QCATS wasn't FCing), but there was http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3090405 (lots of t1 frigs and some AF's warping into your rigged cruiser accel camp of doom) for plex battling since then. 3) I think you summed up how I felt perfectly with "The thing is moc is not really strategically important system atm, we just wanted that plex. : P". Really just because I got it with 1 second remaining :) I was happy though cause I know you guys define success not by kills, but by plexes taken. And taking it by 1 second was, for lack of a better term, very smartassy :). Followed by capturing another caldari plex just as a much larger force of caldari was burning to the button. You could say I wanted to beat you at your own game for some variety :P Also, just for Darden and the trolling in this thread, I have taken this screenshot of a lovely rifter with one second left on a major plex in moclinamaud... Complete with combat logs of me desperately trying to lock you guys before you fled from the button again :) Darden, this one's for you!
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.24 01:15:00 - [259] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 2) What do you mean finally!? There was that 1 plex won, 2 plexes lost fiasco back in heyd near its fall (of which QCATS wasn't FCing), but there was http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3090405 (lots of t1 frigs and some AF's warping into your rigged cruiser accel camp of doom) for plex battling since then. The gals held the field and took the loot but we went down fighting. After the fight we come back to area and took more plexes. Sometimes we win when were not getting frig swarmed. More placid Fun Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 I was happy though cause I know you guys define success not by kills, but by plexes taken. And taking it by 1 second was, for lack of a better term, very smartassy :). Followed by capturing another caldari plex just as a much larger force of caldari was burning to the button. You could say I wanted to beat you at your own game for some variety :P We defined our success by systems captured and systems held. We may loose a ton of ships in the process but the end result is the same we take systems and plexes. You haven't beaten us on our game you would have too take back all of v.v. and essence to beat us.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.24 01:42:00 - [260] Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 2) What do you mean finally!? There was that 1 plex won, 2 plexes lost fiasco back in heyd near its fall (of which QCATS wasn't FCing), but there was http://gallente.factionwars.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3090405 (lots of t1 frigs and some AF's warping into your rigged cruiser accel camp of doom) for plex battling since then. The gals held the field and took the loot but we went down fighting. After the fight we come back to area and took more plexes. Sometimes we win when were not getting frig swarmed. More placid Fun You definitely get your share of wins, I just took issue with "finally"! I'll also take this opportunity to toss in that you guys regularly stand your ground and fight, in counter to all the "22nd just stabs and runs like little girls" comments. I don't think I've yet encountered a 22nd member that had stabs. Sorry Anna :) Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 23/04/2009 22:52:55 I was happy though cause I know you guys define success not by kills, but by plexes taken. And taking it by 1 second was, for lack of a better term, very smartassy :). Followed by capturing another caldari plex just as a much larger force of caldari was burning to the button. You could say I wanted to beat you at your own game for some variety :P We defined our success by systems captured and systems held. We may loose a ton of ships in the process but the end result is the same we take systems and plexes. You haven't beaten us on our game you would have too take back all of v.v. and essence to beat us. Does the thrill of a challenge offset the soul-sucking that is plexing when there aren't wt's around? Will the gallente continue, and possibly increase the number of participants involved, with their plexing? Only time will tell :)

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.24 07:32:00 - [261] Quote: We defined our success by systems captured and systems held. We may loose a ton of ships in the process but the end result is the same we take systems and plexes. Like for the reason Warhammer Online sucks: the bigger zerg in the end wins anyway just because of the sheer wall of meat they bring?
AshenShugar01 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.24 07:38:00 - [262] Edited by: AshenShugar01 on 24/04/2009 07:38:58 The reason for their 'winning' is very simple, 2000 more pilots. 2000!!! and dont argue that 'theres lots of guys in Caldari militia who never participate' etc as we Gallente have that issue too. Regardless squids have a MASSIVE numbers advantage hense they win the plexing 'war' covering more systems with those numbers and having people on in every TZ plexing too. Let me ask this then, if the squids are 'winning' FW where are the kill stats? Gallente seems to do more then hold their own there it seems. Yet you guys have this massive numbers advantage... why doesnt that translate onto the killboards? Prob because plexing is really really easy and pvp is hard and risky and expensive. [i][b]How many Caldari does it take to take a plex? Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and l
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.24 08:14:00 - [263] why people smack the trolls when the thread is called xxxx (trolling encouraged)? Feed the trolls, feed FW! Number of people I've heard in militia chat say "I joined FW cause of that thread in EveO" and we're winning ;-P
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.24 14:18:00 - [264] Quote: why people smack the trolls when the thread is called xxxx (trolling encouraged)? I do it because I like your Asterix sigs. Keep doing more
Endamarena	Posted - 2009.04.24 16:26:00 - [265] Originally by: alexis steele Edited by: alexis steele on 08/04/2009 09:34:21 Originally by: Parmenides Elea 22nd are chicken s**t stabbed up loosers who think pve is more important than fighting in a war. Every time we come to find you you run, you NEVER come to find us. This is a challenge, come to tama and show us you can pvp or STFU! mmmmmmm stabbed up ehh? never go to find pvp ehh? i sir must say that you are full of it :) the main thing i enjoy in FW is killing my enemys in high sec where they think they are safe from us :) looks like tama is next, although might be a bit harder due to pirates :) I seem to remember someone named Alexis Steele stab up to get out of a station being camped by a 2mil SP char, and a 7.5mil SP char in his Mega & Brutix. Also it is highly likely I sold him those stabs :(
Cosmic Raider Solo Plex	Posted - 2009.04.24 16:34:00 - [266] Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 24/04/2009 16:38:01 Originally by: AshenShugar01 Edited by: AshenShugar01 on 24/04/2009 07:38:58 The reason for their 'winning' is very simple, 2000 more pilots. 2000!!! and dont argue that 'theres lots of guys in Caldari militia who never participate' etc as we Gallente have that issue too. Regardless squids have a MASSIVE numbers advantage hense they win the plexing 'war' covering more systems with those numbers and having people on in every TZ plexing too. Let me ask this then, if the squids are 'winning' FW where are the kill stats? Gallente seems to do more then hold their own there it seems. Yet you guys have this massive numbers advantage... why doesnt that translate onto the killboards? Prob because plexing is really really easy and pvp is hard and risky and expensive. Ashen you know quite well that the numbers of pilots in FW is very different than the numbers actually participating. I doubt that there are more than a couple hundred on either side who actively play FW. With respect to numbers of kills and the Gallente claim that this is where they truly rule, here are the stats as of today (24 April). Gallente Federation kills=45290 Caldari State kills= 42852 You will note the Gallente kill advantage is 2438 since July or less than nine a day. That's hardly decisive and I would note the Gal advanatage was more prominent early on when they had more experience against the mostly noob Caldari. We are catching up. As an aside, the above totals do not capture the entire FW combat picture because action against pirates is not included. I suspect this impacts Caldari more because of the situation in Tama and because we encounter pirates throughout FW space in plexes. Pirates love plexes because it is combat away from gates and stations. There is also no clear advantage in victory points. Despite all the Gal talk of "we pvpers not plexers" the Gals have a ton of victory points. Caldari State victoryPoints= 3087171 Gallente Federation victoryPoints=3019501 So what's the big difference? Control of systems. Caldari seizure of 33 systems, vice the Gal five, speaks to the excellent teamwork established between Caldari Corps. Why this is derided is beyond my ability to understand. The teamwork and cooperation the Caldari established - starting with nothing - in order to take and hold the systems we have should be a source of interest to all 0.0 alliances looking for recruits and a point of satisfaction for CCP who created FW to get us noob carebears into low sec. Ashen's claim that plexing isn't hard may be true if you are only talking about individual plexes but it is not true when you are talking about trying to seize all your opponent's space. Whether it is worth it from a material effort-reward standpoint is not the point and never has been. For us, its all about the challenge. As Bad Messenger once pointed out, the teamwork that has been necessary for our progress has paid off in another more satisfying way. We've met and formed friendships with alot of very cool people. And, we have respect for some of our worthy opponents, like Val, Picado, Loren, and yes, you too Ashen. See you out there. 07 Note: source of stats was http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/test_eve_api.php
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.24 16:47:00 - [267] as your spies should be telling you, even when Gallente had more numbers there is always twice as many caldari logged in. According to Militia Chat number. FW has ALWAYS gone in cycles, why? I have no idea, but it always has and yes I'm talking about fleets for pew pew I don't care about PvE. At the moment the Caldari have much larger numbers in Tama and else where. Every night for the past 2 weeks we see blobs of 40+ go through tama, and now were just waving them off o/ They will get bored again with their blobs, they will stop Xing up, then their blobs will become smaller, then we'll get fights again and the Caldari will X up and the blobs become bigger.. OH WAIT.. THERE IS THE CYCLE.
Snake O'Donell Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.24 18:04:00 - [268] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs as your spies should be telling you, even when Gallente had more numbers there is always twice as many caldari logged in. According to Militia Chat number. FW has ALWAYS gone in cycles, why? I have no idea, but it always has and yes I'm talking about fleets for pew pew I don't care about PvE. At the moment the Caldari have much larger numbers in Tama and else where. Every night for the past 2 weeks we see blobs of 40+ go through tama, and now were just waving them off o/ They will get bored again with their blobs, they will stop Xing up, then their blobs will become smaller, then we'll get fights again and the Caldari will X up and the blobs become bigger.. OH WAIT.. THERE IS THE CYCLE. I'll tell you why the blobs have been getting bigger over the last few weeks. All the competent FC's on the gal side have given up/gotten bored/moved on. Back when -DARK ran fleets on the nightly basis one of two things would happen: 1. we would fight a squid fleet and **** them, or 2. the squids would tuck tail and run back to nourv before we even got the chance to kill them. Sometimes ejecting from a drake in the process to slow us down. If Mitch, Zyck, and myself started running fleets again I guaruntee that you wouldn't see anymore squid blobs.
Captain Darvok Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.04.24 18:36:00 - [269] Originally by: Snake O'Donell I'll tell you why the blobs have been getting bigger over the last few weeks. All the competent FC's on the gal side have given up/gotten bored/moved on. Back when -DARK ran fleets on the nightly basis one of two things would happen: 1. we would fight a squid fleet and **** them, or 2. the squids would tuck tail and run back to nourv before we even got the chance to kill them. Sometimes ejecting from a drake in the process to slow us down. If Mitch, Zyck, and myself started running fleets again I guarantee that you wouldn't see anymore squid blobs. To be honest I would rather bore them and they'll reduce the blobs. This cycle has been going on since day 1 of FW. Each side blobs and the other can't get enough X's. Thats why I like our way of small gang ganks. You only need to look at the history to see the blobs cometh and blobs go.
Cosmic Raider Solo Plex	Posted - 2009.04.24 22:39:00 - [270] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs as your spies should be telling you, even when Gallente had more numbers there is always twice as many caldari logged in. According to Militia Chat number. If you had good spies they would report true numbers to you instead of misleading ones. The number of people in milita chat does not reflect actual active participants. The numbers available for large fleet ops are considerably less when you subtract out the people who are in FW and have never been seen and those who are out plexing. Surely your spies must have reported the recurring question asked in milita chat that goes something like this: "there are x number of people in channel yet only a few in fleet. How can this be?" To me, thats the real question. Why aren't more people who have signed up for FW actually out playing? I think part of the answer is because they are new and a bit intimidated by the whole prospect, don't know people, or what to do, etc. I don't think its the whole answer, just part, but it is something all FW veterans can help with. I try at least once a week to poll in milita for new players and talk to them about FW and things to do. I find that they are extremely interested and often hear comments like "oh then I should change my training plan" or "I need to move my stuff closer to Nourv." I'd bet that Gal noobs would react very posivitely to outreach from veterans such as Evil and Snake.



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