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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:48:00 -
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MackemInSpace wrote:[quote=Jiji Hamin] Yes, and that's all great, but even with the custom filters you can't filter your inventory to only show BOTH modules AND ammo at the same time. I put that on the OP as a potential bug.
Please be sure to put that in a bug report as well. Hopefully the UI team sees this thread and not just follow the 50page dev blog.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Irisandra T'Lavel
9
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:12:00 -
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The worst thing I have seen so far:
My ship has a max capacity of 77,879.7 m3, but the dynamic bar at the top is rounded up to 77,880. Trying to drag a 25 m3 mod when it shows 25 m3 free will give an error for not enough room. I had to go to the fitting window to find the exact capacity.
Please at least give an option to not round the capacity |
Mor'dred Ashan
VEXCORE
1
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:17:00 -
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I like the new inventory system but not having the items and ships icons makes it a bit confusing. First time I logged on I bought myself another ship wondering where my old ones went.
I think what would be useful is being able to create folders which you can rename. That way you can easily organize assets into categories rather than have them all in the same place and just using a filter. The ability to create sub folders within each folder would be useful as well. |
MackemInSpace
Harm Co.
16
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Posted - 2012.05.06 09:33:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:MackemInSpace wrote:[quote=Jiji Hamin] Yes, and that's all great, but even with the custom filters you can't filter your inventory to only show BOTH modules AND ammo at the same time. I put that on the OP as a potential bug. Please be sure to put that in a bug report as well. Hopefully the UI team sees this thread and not just follow the 50page dev blog.
Cool! |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
39
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:57:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Spc One wrote:Just make it optional, so user can disable or enable old / new system. Zagdul wrote: You can revert it back to a conventional windows interface.
In windows 8 ? NO YOU CAN'T, it's only that metro stupid squares. You can't go back in Windows 8. The task bar still exists, as I said originally they never removed it, they improved + enhanced it. http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2832943/windows-8-new-start-button-hands-on-pictures-videoI've updated the 1st post. Yes but you can't go back to windows classic theme with start menu, it's impossible.
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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
227
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:25:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:Please give us back separate windows for items and ships.
The new inventory screen is nice, but it's nowhere near as functional as the current one. If it's not broken, don't fix it.Gäó
this.
if the change was for the better id be all for it, but this 'new' crap is a step back... it really makes me think you guys at ccp dont play eve, as all your doing with this is making people work harder and do more things to get the same results. CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
602
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:43:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:Invisusira wrote:Please give us back separate windows for items and ships.
The new inventory screen is nice, but it's nowhere near as functional as the current one. If it's not broken, don't fix it.Gäó this. if the change was for the better id be all for it, but this 'new' crap is a step back... it really makes me think you guys at ccp dont play eve, as all your doing with this is making people work harder and do more things to get the same results. First, shift click allows for two windows to be open. This isn't intuitive and I did put on the first post to have an option put in to allow for us to always open more than one window.
The current live inventory system is extremely broken. However, many people who log in on a daily basis don't deal with corp hangars where thousands of items are involved. When you star dealing with not hundreds, thousands of items in a single container, EVE starts breaking really bad. It is for the better, however it's also change and many people have difficulty adjusting to change.
Have you ever attempted to open a can with a bunch of bookmarks in it? Try it sometime and watch EVE take a dump.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
34
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:26:00 -
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I have major problems with what I am seeing... Sry to burst your bubble guys. First I have a small gang of highsec miners that currently rely on being able to dump into hangers they have no access to. If you take away this ability, it will cause several corps to re-structure, and we wont be happy about it.
I logged into sisi and am trying it out. For the love of god do not replace our current UI with this!!!!! I cant even open my orca corp hangers in a separate window, and I dont like having to spawn my custom windows with shift clicking. And when I dock, I cant just keep my current windows open, I have to reuse one of them to start going down a list to start spawning more... I hate this. I cant say this enough. this is not a step forward for my inventory management. Release this as a new feature that does not replace my current windows, or don't release it at all. I have been with eve since Beta in 2003, and if you replace my windows with this crap, then I don't see myself sticking around for much longer. I don't mean to put down your great work and ideas with this. But this is an idea that needs lots of refinement and feedback before anyone should come close to the idea of replacing our current windows with it. The current UI is great because it allows everyone to customize it so heavily and simply... This one size fits all window does not come close for me. Thanks for the effort though guys... I do like being able to see estimated values, that's neat.
I want to say this one more time, because its the most important part of my post. Do not release this as a replacement for current corp hangar UI. Release it as a new stand alone tool and get feedback and refine it from there. If you guys force us to use this as it is, you will have a worse-than-incarna level event on your hands. |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
227
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:37:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:Invisusira wrote:Please give us back separate windows for items and ships.
The new inventory screen is nice, but it's nowhere near as functional as the current one. If it's not broken, don't fix it.Gäó this. if the change was for the better id be all for it, but this 'new' crap is a step back... it really makes me think you guys at ccp dont play eve, as all your doing with this is making people work harder and do more things to get the same results. First, shift click allows for two windows to be open. This isn't intuitive and I did put on the first post to have an option put in to allow for us to always open more than one window. The current live inventory system is extremely broken. However, many people who log in on a daily basis don't deal with corp hangars where thousands of items are involved. When you star dealing with not hundreds, thousands of items in a single container, EVE starts breaking really bad. It is for the better, however it's also change and many people have difficulty adjusting to change. Have you ever attempted to open a can with a bunch of bookmarks in it? Try it sometime and watch EVE take a dump.
i do deal with corp hangers where 1000's of items are involved many times a day, this system is gonna make it even more anoying to move stuffs in and out of hangers, cargos, pos hangers and ship maint bays. basic functionalty is being reduced and that is never a good thing. yes it looks great on paper as an idea, but the current implementaion is bad and needs a lot of work before roll out, which sadly i dont think its going to get. CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
36
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:55:00 -
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I think it would be best if you guys look into how you can take some of the best stuff from this, and incorporate it into the current UI slowly. maybe start with the estimated isk price. The current UI is not broken, and should not be totally re-vamped. |
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Noriko Mai
408
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:41:00 -
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There are two important sorting/filtering features missing.
Activate more than one filter at once with an OR condition. e.g. Show Guns and Ammo without the need to create a new filter that does it. (Activate Guns filter and activate Ammo filter) Reverse filtering. This way you can search for the crap in your hangar or just for stuff you have no filter for.
And the thing with the unassembled ships not showing as folders in the tree is how it should be. They are in the Ships folder. NO BUG! |
moose crap
Urkrathos Corp LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:45:00 -
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I'm not a fan of this new system, I think the previous posts have outlined my gripes with it perfectly. What I don't understand is why they don't have this replace the assets screen instead of the ships/items window. The window would be even more universal than the inventory window now, showing not only things where you're at but also in other stations, CCP could just add a new subtree for 'other stations' or something. People that like the new system can use the assets window for everything while others, like me, can keep using the existing windows. Hell, if this replaced the assets screen I might even like that. |
Noriko Mai
408
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:51:00 -
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moose crap wrote:I'm not a fan of this new system, I think the previous posts have outlined my gripes with it perfectly. What I don't understand is why they don't have this replace the assets screen instead of the ships/items window. The window would be even more universal than the inventory window now, showing not only things where you're at but also in other stations, CCP could just add a new subtree for 'other stations' or something. People that like the new system can use the assets window for everything while others, like me, can keep using the existing windows. Hell, if this replaced the assets screen I might even like that. The Devs wrote that it is not yet final and not yet merged with the assets window iirc. |
Invisusira
The Rising Stars Academy
15
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:04:00 -
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The new Inventory screen would make a fantastic replacement for the Assets window.
It is a horrid replacement for the Ships and Items windows; it lacks the basic functionality inherent in those two separate windows. |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
10
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Posted - 2012.05.07 01:18:00 -
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Ran into this today on the test server.
I understand what you're trying to go for, but you're missing the mark, it's too complex and hard to use at the moment. I'm having to spend more time screwing around with the system than using it to achieve my ends.
Thanks, but no thanks. |
Noriko Mai
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:24:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:The new Inventory screen would make a fantastic replacement for the Assets window.
It is a horrid replacement for the Ships and Items windows; it lacks the basic functionality inherent in those two separate windows. What functionality exactly? |
Aerich e'Kieron
Snuff Box
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 09:14:00 -
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Quote:I logged into sisi and am trying it out. For the love of god do not replace our current UI with this!!!!! I cant even open my orca corp hangers in a separate window, and I dont like having to spawn my custom windows with shift clicking. And when I dock, I cant just keep my current windows open, I have to reuse one of them to start going down a list to start spawning more... I hate this. I cant say this enough. this is not a step forward for my inventory management. Release this as a new feature that does not replace my current windows, or don't release it at all.
Pretty much that. Please.... PLEASE... do not release this.
The new inventory feels more responsive and would probably be great if it was just the current "items" window. But you're trying to jam all the windows and buttons ever made into one, and it's absolutely awful. There needs to be a seperate window for "items", "ships", and "cargo". I cannot be resizing, replacing, and re-customizing ALL of my windows every time I dock/undock. Not to mention having to split the windows up for my cargo, and re-size them to go different places, and reorganize the tabs for them properly.
April 1st was last month. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
445
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:14:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Invisusira wrote:The new Inventory screen would make a fantastic replacement for the Assets window.
It is a horrid replacement for the Ships and Items windows; it lacks the basic functionality inherent in those two separate windows. What functionality exactly? Being able to drag a bunch of items from one location to another and immediately see the updated list of items in both. |
Darkcoro
Rock'N'Rollerz Dreadlock. Holiday.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:24:00 -
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I posted this over on the Feedback Thread for the Inventory Devblog, but as usual for those threads it is rather a mess in there, so I figured posting in here would not be a bad idea.
First off, I want to say that the new Unified Inventory is AMAZING! Shocked Thank you so much Team Game of Drones! GÖÑGÖÑGÖÑ
However, there are a few little tweaks I would like to suggest, and I know some of these have been addressed before in the thread, but features need love too!
This is based on my opinions, having used it for a while, and suggestions from corp members, again having used it for a while, not just off the cuff observations.
- Inventory Button pinned to the bottom of the Neocom, as it is in Stations now, or at least an option to do so. That is the natural place everyone goes looking for their Items/Ships these days, and it makes sense to have the most accessed option seperate and easy to see.
- I would like to see the option to Merge the Unified Inventory in Station into the Station Services panel, similar to how we have Merge Ships and Items into Station Services now. (Note, this functionality still exists on SiSi in the old fashion, perhaps this is meant to be updated?)
I have included a Mockup to demonstrate what I mean for this one: Mockup
- For those who don't like the Merged setup or just in General, and I know this has been suggested before, but remembering the state of the Inventory UI dependent on whether you are docked or in space would be extremely useful.
- Drag and Drop a ship name from the list into hangar view to activate a ship, as we do now with the Icons (I know the functionality exists if you click on "Ships" but being able to drag straight from the list would be extremely intuitive.
- Some sort of display of the Ship Type in the list would also be handy, be it an Icon or a name in [brackets] before or after. Perhaps even an option to enable/disable this.
Those are the points I have so far, will keep testing it of course.
I am also working on a more detailed mockup of a suggestion I have for the Unified Inventory UI, but I believe it is out of the scope of this Expansion, at least for the first round, so I will save it for when my mockup looks better, and I am not cluttering up the feedback with new Ideas. |
Noriko Mai
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:29:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Invisusira wrote:The new Inventory screen would make a fantastic replacement for the Assets window.
It is a horrid replacement for the Ships and Items windows; it lacks the basic functionality inherent in those two separate windows. What functionality exactly? Being able to drag a bunch of items from one location to another and immediately see the updated list of items in both.
If you move Items within the tree you see the destination container/hangar blink a few time to show you everything was moved If you move Items within the tree and hover the mouse over one second the destination container opens and you see the updated itemlist there after moving the items [*] If you have multiple item windows open (shift+click) there is no chage in behaviour at all |
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Noriko Mai
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:39:00 -
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Darkcoro wrote:
For those who don't like the Merged setup or just in General, and I know this has been suggested before, but remembering the state of the Inventory UI dependent on whether you are docked or in space would be extremely useful. CCP Optimal wrote:Just wanted to note that due to popular demand we've made changes so that the inventory window will have two sets of width, height, position and tree collapsed/expanded settings; one for stations and one for space, so you'll be able to configure it as you please for both scenarios.
Darkcoro wrote:
Some sort of display of the Ship Type in the list would also be handy, be it an Icon or a name in [brackets] before or after. Perhaps even an option to enable/disable this. CCP Optimal wrote:Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:Looks and works well except when im trying to figure out which ship is which. Mine are all named and I sometimes forget what ship I named what. If we could have the ship type in brackets next to the ship name would be awesome. Just in the tree that is. Some people had already pointed that out, and the solution you describe is the exact one we implemented. |
Darkcoro
Rock'N'Rollerz Dreadlock. Holiday.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 13:12:00 -
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Noriko, Thank you heaps for pointing those out. I thought I had kept up with it all, guess I missed it in the info overload haha.
Thanks Muchly. |
Noriko Mai
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 13:42:00 -
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Darkcoro wrote:Noriko, Thank you heaps for pointing those out. I thought I had kept up with it all, guess I missed it in the info overload haha. Thanks Muchly. np dude
btw, sisi is updating atm. So let's see what changed there |
Darkcoro
Rock'N'Rollerz Dreadlock. Holiday.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:00:00 -
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Oh Sweet. I will be on to test aswell, once this finishes updating. |
Noriko Mai
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:40:00 -
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The dummy text for offering someone help in a war is a good one
Edit: Oh my bad. It's the text from the corp at war. |
Blue Harrier
51
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:39:00 -
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OK CCP what have you done to this new inventory ?
It has gone from almost usable to totally unusable in one small update.
I thought a good test for this would be to try it with my Orca (lots of bays etc.) to try multiple windows open at the same time and to try the alleged new dual docked and un-docked settings.
Docked; Orca ship in view, right click ship, only option is 'Open cargo hold', no Drone bay, no Ore bay, no Corp Hangers, what happened to all of those?
Looked at my merged 'Ships and Items' panel in the station services windows and the Orca ship icon has vanished so I can't right click that.
So I click the 'Inventory' button and a window opens, it has the name of my ship and (Active Ship), I know it's active I can see it but am I looking at the cargo hold or what, it does not say.
I shift click to open the other windows, Drone bay, Ore hold and Maintenance bay into separate windows so I can drag stuff into them and sort it while I do it. Next I try to open some of my cargo containers from my merged items list, no can do, I can open one but if I want more open the only way is back to the shift click list in the inventory.
However now I've closed the tree view to see all of the cargo hold (I think that's what it is, still nothing to tell me) and have to open the blasted tree again. I want to see more of the tree so I drag the side bar to the right, shift click the cargo container to open it's window and try and click the tiny chevrons to close the tree, don't work, the little button will not light up until I drag the side bar back to the default location.
I close all the windows and un-dock;
I repeat most of the above except the opening of cargo containers and it gets worse, not only does the right click on ship menu forget my cargo hold option but just about everything else as well. So the only window I can open is the Inventory window with the Cargo Button on the HUD. Why does this button not open a simple cargo hold window like it used too?
OK, I go through all the shift click stuff again and set up my undocked setup (just as a test), and the window still just lists my (active ship), no (cargo hold) type of ship or whatever.
So after faffing around for it seems ages just to open and position the windows, I close them all and dock only to find each shift click opens the windows in the same position as when in space not the previous docked positions when I was docked.
The only good bit; The Corp Hangers now list their correct names.
This is not a good use of yours or my time, there is an old saying 'If it aint broke don't fix it', let the inventory button open the inventory if you must, but let all the default buttons do what they always did and please don't remove the active ship from the merged ships list and for goodness sake don't remove the merged 'Ships and Items' option.
"You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982. |
moose crap
Urkrathos Corp LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
2
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:35:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:The Devs wrote that it is not yet final and not yet merged with the assets window iirc.
Was this going to replace just the Assets window or were they going to combine all 3 windows into one? |
Stralow
Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten Bruderschaft der Pilger
7
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:17:00 -
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What i don't get is the new inventory system in combination with a pos. I build a pos on the test server and tried it out. I was happy to see all stuff that is in a pos in the new inventory a soon as the pos is on the grid. You can see all divisions from all sma's, corp hangars, labs, reactors and so on. Thats awesome.
But at the same time i ask myself why don't finally get rid of the whole "you have to be within 3000meters to do stuff" thing. Why can't i just move around things between pos modules now you have that right inventory system? Its annoying. You sit in your ship, can see stuff in your laboratory 10 km away. But you cant move it to the corp hangar right next to you. Why is that?
You can't also see inside SMA's when you are not within 3000 meters. Why is that? You should see the ships in it from anywhere in the pos ff. But if you want to board a ship, you have within range like it is now, thats fine. i say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure |
Loghaire
EVE Protection Agency Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:29:00 -
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My initial feedback from the changes:
Since it is rather new, I had initially some issues figuring out how to actually use the inventory UI. However, after a little playing around, I was soon able to at least understand how to access various bits and do my usual things. As it differs a lot from the normal "multiple windows system for one task" situation that is the current UI, there is going to be a little bit of time needing to be taken just to adjust to the new UI. That said, once I started to 'get it', I found myself actually liking not needing three different windows open just to load up my ship.
However, because it moves away from multiple windows, it is harder to visualise your assets across multiple ships/hangars. As such, even though the multiple window setup with the current UI isn't exactly 'efficient', the new UI loses that visual aspect that you see with the current one. You can still revert to the multiple window setup with shift + left click, but that's a non-obvious feature I feel, and it doesn't really sync well with the new UI either. Like adding a fifth wheel to a car.
All in all, I think it is a positive step forward in terms of iterating on the UI. Not perfect, by all means, but certainly appreciated. One suggestion is maybe have a counter on the tree list of the number of different items currently in the cargohold/hangar? That way, when you move three stacks of ammo out of the hangar and into your Maelstrom, you'll 'see' the number of items in the Items section decrease and the number of items in the Mael cargo increase. This would then help 'visualise' assets being moved and where they are placed.
Part of any UI functionality needs to emphasise the results of an action taken by a user. A simple flash animation doesn't always cut it, especially when it deals with the movement and handling of assets.
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Alain Kinsella
105
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:31:00 -
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So far the only thing I'm concerned about: the cargo UI in space is too big by default.
Yes, you can shift-click it out and then it resizes fine, but would like this *one* window to pop out from the cargo UI button in the HUD (no need for the tree in this case, you're specifically requesting this window).
This was as of yesterday though, so not sure if it had been updated today. Rest of the inventory update felt OK to me (though having the current ship not show up in the old 'ships' station window was a bit unnerving).
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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