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Dirghas
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:08:00 -
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YAAA for the rook! And for Caldari EW.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: CCP Navigator
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* The range for scooping items from a wreck or container has been increased from 1500m to 2500m. In addition the scoop range for drones has also been increased to 2500m.
Will we still need to get within 1500m of containers to open them, or has this range been increased to 2500m as well?
Does this change constitute a reduction of the current 3000m scoop range for POS structures?
scooping unanchored structures is the same (2500), interacting with anchored structures such as the corporate hangars or ship maintenance arrays is still 3000m
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Rivqua said " They are not *better* in your example. They can only fit one link, not three. They can also not outdps field command ships. And if they fit 3 links with warfare command processors, they gimp their fit just like field command ships." I was talking about them from a passive tank point of view and only one link is used in that situation. So there is no reason to fit the other 2 links and warfare command processors so you never gimp your fit. For a passive tanker or passive tank gang the T3 cruiser is better than the Vulture at everything.
Last time I looked the T3 Cruiser and field command ship had the around about the same DPS output only the T3 cruiser gives a much bigger boost so again why use the field command ship when T3 is just as good or better? Why would anyone want to use a Field Command ship once prices hit 200mill for T3?
Definition of "Tunnel Vision".
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:10:00 -
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I get a feeling that this change:
- The range for scooping items from a wreck or container has been increased from 1500m to 2500m.
Will be the one effecting me most of all the changes. You should have done this years ago!
But hurray anyway. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:10:00 -
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Thanks - but do we still have to get within 1500m to open the containers before moving away to scoop things from 2500m? --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
annoing
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 15/04/2009 14:14:22 Actually, I can no longer be bothered to try to make someone who is deaf listen.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Thanks - but do we still have to get within 1500m to open the containers before moving away to scoop things from 2500m?
nope 2500m as well.
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AK Shaman
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:20:00 -
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Well after one more caldari ship nerf i just open p[etition for respec all my caldari related skills to ammar
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Mr 7
Fortune of Xanadu Exploration Services
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Thanks - but do we still have to get within 1500m to open the containers before moving away to scoop things from 2500m?
nope 2500m as well.
Sorry if I missed something, do you mean if I can open cans cloaked then?
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Omega87
Caldari Griefer-B-Gone Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:24:00 -
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Hey Nav or Chron, i'm starting to sound like a broken record here but it really bugs me. I know they're not gonna do anything about the cyno graphics in this patch, but do we know if changing back is at least being considered or not?
I don't know any cap pilot (and even some non cap pilots) that don't want the old one back. ------ "Nothing ventured, nothing ganked." - Me |
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:26:00 -
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- A phantom Tempest silhouette will no longer appear when piloting a Legion and activating any of the modules. Minmatar scientists are convinced this was happening BECAUSE OF FALCON
Nice patch. I love the extended scoop range since it's so easy to drift away. Of course, it'll boost can flippers. Obviously what I say isn't always what my alliance thinks. I hate to break it to you, but this is in fact my signature.
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StallioN SDK1
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Omega87 Edited by: Omega87 on 15/04/2009 13:52:49
Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 15/04/2009 13:29:53
Quote: Graphics
- A phantom Tempest silhouette will no longer appear when piloting a Legion and activating any of the modules. Minmatar scientists are convinced this was happening BECAUSE OF FALCON.
I don't know if I have to take this like a joke, or like a serious provocation to Falcon users >:(
Probably Provocation. Thats the way everyone who doesn't fly a falcon or has can't be bothered to fit eccm takes it too. Idea is "lets nerf them AND poke fun at them while we do it" =(
Bump
P.S. I may try my Rook again on the field
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gil Danastre
Originally by: Tonto Auri And here comes another precedent, one of those, which have changed EVE forever. CCP have removed a whole ship class from EVE. First time. Do you think they will stop here?
Really? I didn't see anything about them removing force recons from the game. Perhaps you need new glasses.
Quote: The number of gas and ore sites in wormhole space has been reduced to remove unnecessary results in the scanner. The new system will have more concentrated gas and bigger asteroids in the remaining sites to compensate.
I want to kiss the dev who made that change. No more having to sort though dozens of scan results only to find yet another mining site with 3 veldspar rocks in it Also, damn you Falcon!
ermm think again .... look @ the blackbird you nubbin what ship will be the most prefered? not the falcon .....
CCP is forcing Caldari recon pilots in to a T1 Cruiser .... now tell me again that they didnt remove any ships from the game
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Lili Lu
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:30:00 -
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To those whining "just delete Caldari" -
Hell, we can't even get a proper Caldari nerf! Look at what happened to the minority races and their recon ships in this game. The nos nerf killed the pilgrim. The damp nerf killed the Arazu. The web nerf killed the Rapier. None of those ships got any bonus buffs after the respective nerfs. ECM was nerfed a while back and CCP stupidly followed with a buff to ECM boats. ECM became so good and with such range that ECM boats devoted all their slots to it and were overpowered.
So finally CCP recognized there was a problem again with ECM as people were creating alts to fly Falcons, and we get what? Sure, you lost ridiculous range. But you can't even be properly nerfed, you got an increase in the jam strength and you amps that give some of that range back Oh well, the only good thing is that now you will have to choose maybe to devote a mid(s) to a LSE(s) or sensor booster/etc and a low(s) to a plate(s) or i-stab/nano/dc because you will be in range of ships other than Apocs and Rokhs, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER RECON HAS BEEN.
Also, now ECCM modules just got even more useless on any ship other than a fleet sniper BS (assuming you can tweak your sniper setup enough to fit one). 30% strength bonus?! So, Caldari STFU, you will be permajamming anything you turn a jammer onto. It's just that you will not be jamming 4 or 5 sub BS ships because you will have to lose some slots to a tank/sensor booster/cap injector/whatever else you might find beneficial in close(er) quarters - LIKE EVERY OTHER RECON.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mr 7
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Thanks - but do we still have to get within 1500m to open the containers before moving away to scoop things from 2500m?
nope 2500m as well.
Sorry if I missed something, do you mean if I can open cans cloaked then?
yes that's possible if you are between 2000 and 2500m. You cannot transfer anything from the container however since you are cloaked.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 15/04/2009 14:33:43
Originally by: Crimsonjade
Originally by: Dex Nederland Yes, like the Hybrid Weapon focused Harpy, Eagle, & Vulture. All Ishukone ships, all the same basic weapon philosophy. (Buzzard doesn't have a weapons bonus) So take a quick look at the corporate family of ships, it makes sense if you are going to give it a weapon's bonus you will give it one consistent with the rest of the corporate family of ships. (Background based game design, it occasional comes up)
must be the first time ever. i only been flying the BB since well eve started and it never had a hybrid bonus. I guess that if falls inline with other ships of its kind thats cool. just seems wierd to me after 6 years they finally noticed the BB needed guns
Except the Blackbird hasn't gotten a hybrid bonus, just the Falcon (Rook got an additional Missile bonus). The Blackbird remains the same, 15%/level Strength bonus and 20%/lvl Optimal bonus. However the changes to ECM modules will likely reduce its optimal.
Originally by: Eleana Tomelac Someone said the rook was now, because of its bonuses on the level of a cerb?? Is it some kind of bad joke?
The Rook has the same damage effecting bonuses as the Cerberus with this patch, it does not have the range bonuses, instead the 10%/lvl ECM capacitor and 30%/lvl ECM strength. It also can use 5 Light Drones (25m3/25mb), thus can do more damage. Lastly the Rook also has 2 more midslots, it can get the same tank as a Cerberus and have 2 slots to 'play with'. The Cerberus does have 1 additional low slot, so could have a BCU the Rook doesn't have. So in the end it is fairly easy to say the Rook deals out more dps and can tank as well as the Cerberus.
As for those saying ignore the "Falcon whines" there are surprising few of them if you actually read the thread.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Omega87 Hey Nav or Chron, i'm starting to sound like a broken record here but it really bugs me. I know they're not gonna do anything about the cyno graphics in this patch, but do we know if changing back is at least being considered or not?
Effects overhauls are ongoing by our art teams which could include the cyno effect for example. Cannot say much more than that for now sorry.
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Omega87
Caldari Griefer-B-Gone Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Omega87 on 15/04/2009 14:43:04 Darn...well okay its better than not saying anything at all :P
But c'mon, we all know we need the old cyno back. You know you want it Chron. Search your feelings
Edit: Forgot to mention I love the update to the probe system with unique IDs for everything :D ------ "Nothing ventured, nothing ganked." - Me |
TX 223
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:40:00 -
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On the whole, this looks like a great patch, CCP. Ignore these degenerate forum warriors that have nothing better to do than whinge. I always feel bad for you guys when I see how fast these threads devolve into "zomg ccp sux wtf!!!" rant-fests; I think this patch is great news across the board.
I too am curious about the patch note regarding drone command response. The immediately preceding patch note ("When a single drone is attacked and is part of a group set to aggressive and focus fire, the rest of the drones in that group will aggress instead of sitting idle.") seems to strongly imply that drones still attack targets on their own; they just don't split off from the target to which you've assigned them. A little clarification would be great, though.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: TX 223
I too am curious about the patch note regarding drone command response. The immediately preceding patch note ("When a single drone is attacked and is part of a group set to aggressive and focus fire, the rest of the drones in that group will aggress instead of sitting idle.") seems to strongly imply that drones still attack targets on their own; they just don't split off from the target to which you've assigned them. A little clarification would be great, though.
this was where you had your drones set to aggressive and focus fire and NPCs would attack one of your drones, the rest of the group would not always respond and sit idle whilst the single drone was being attacked. Now they respond and aid their fellow drone kin accordingly.
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Dee Carson
Caldari Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:44:00 -
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Nav/Chron
I know better than to ask about re-distributing my skillpoints, but will my Falcons be stripped of fittings/rigs as a part of this patch so that I at least have the opportunity to adjust the rigs for the new mechanics?
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lili Lu To those whining "just delete Caldari" -
Hell, we can't even get a proper Caldari nerf! Look at what happened to the minority races and their recon ships in this game. The nos nerf killed the pilgrim. The damp nerf killed the Arazu. The web nerf killed the Rapier. None of those ships got any bonus buffs after the respective nerfs. ECM was nerfed a while back and CCP stupidly followed with a buff to ECM boats. ECM became so good and with such range that ECM boats devoted all their slots to it and were overpowered.
So finally CCP recognized there was a problem again with ECM as people were creating alts to fly Falcons, and we get what? Sure, you lost ridiculous range. But you can't even be properly nerfed, you got an increase in the jam strength and you amps that give some of that range back Oh well, the only good thing is that now you will have to choose maybe to devote a mid(s) to a LSE(s) or sensor booster/etc and a low(s) to a plate(s) or i-stab/nano/dc because you will be in range of ships other than Apocs and Rokhs, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER RECON HAS BEEN.
Also, now ECCM modules just got even more useless on any ship other than a fleet sniper BS (assuming you can tweak your sniper setup enough to fit one). 30% strength bonus?! So, Caldari STFU, you will be permajamming anything you turn a jammer onto. It's just that you will not be jamming 4 or 5 sub BS ships because you will have to lose some slots to a tank/sensor booster/cap injector/whatever else you might find beneficial in close(er) quarters - LIKE EVERY OTHER RECON.
if i was you i would i would try and actually GET INTO one of theese recons and FLY them before commenting and/or passing judgement on them
Pilgrim, yay it could use some lovin for sure but it still works (contact me ingame to get KB listing) Arazu one of the better tacklers in the game ofc its not a lachesis but it works very well indeed Rapier this is an almost perfect recon you can still web over 45 with gallente webs (the only thing nerfed to **** and back was the webs (BRING BACK OLD META LVLS) Now for the falcon first off any off you who think a Falcon PERMAJAMS fail to realize in order to "permajam" a bs you would need 2-3 jam racials on it, dont belive me? just wiki "jamming" and actually do the math. third hmmmmm have any off you falcon whinners looked at the Blackbird?
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Kirikarasu
Demented Unity
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:48:00 -
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Nice patch. Looks like a lot of hard work is coming to fruition. Keep up the great work, and I'm glad to see the Stealth Bombers are now able to use the Cov Ops cloaking device, and got a lot of lovin' finally. On a side note I look forward to the time I can use the COSMOS agents and not have to worry about the mission space not spawning properly.
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Gil Danastre
Amarr The Red Hessians
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cone Filler
ermm think again .... look @ the blackbird you nubbin what ship will be the most prefered? not the falcon .....
CCP is forcing Caldari recon pilots in to a T1 Cruiser .... now tell me again that they didnt remove any ships from the game
I will tell you again. The ship's still ingame. If players cease to use it in such great quantities post patch, well it's their choice. I don't know why you think everyone will switch over to blackbirds. Less slots, can't cloak, and even more of a "paper thin" tank. It's funny that people always complain about that. If people use 2 ECM mods you can still manage to fit a tank that's about the same as the other recons.
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gil Danastre
Originally by: Cone Filler
ermm think again .... look @ the blackbird you nubbin what ship will be the most prefered? not the falcon .....
CCP is forcing Caldari recon pilots in to a T1 Cruiser .... now tell me again that they didnt remove any ships from the game
I will tell you again. The ship's still ingame. If players cease to use it in such great quantities post patch, well it's their choice. I don't know why you think everyone will switch over to blackbirds. Less slots, can't cloak, and even more of a "paper thin" tank. It's funny that people always complain about that. If people use 2 ECM mods you can still manage to fit a tank that's about the same as the other recons.
so you see the 4 force recon as having a universal tank ? do you think pilgrims and arazu use thoose mid slots for tanking?
it funny how you say the blackbird has a "paper thin tank", what exactly did you think the tank on falcons was before this? ..... i'll tell you : PAPER THIN, TBH you should check out the current stats between falcon and BB
theese 2 points just go to show your complaining about something you have no clue on
PS yeah the BB has 1 lesser mid but then it gains a 4th low .... hmmm what will go in theese slots?
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:14:00 -
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Um, why are you not changing the Sensor boosters back to previous graphics? This one just lags people out after there are more than four of them on-screen, and they're bloody hideous too.
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Lili Lu
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cone Filler Edited by: Cone Filler on 15/04/2009 14:48:56
Originally by: Lili Lu To those whining "just delete Caldari" -
Hell, we can't even get a proper Caldari nerf! Look at what happened to the minority races and their recon ships in this game. The nos nerf killed the pilgrim. The damp nerf killed the Arazu. The web nerf killed the Rapier. None of those ships got any bonus buffs after the respective nerfs. ECM was nerfed a while back and CCP stupidly followed with a buff to ECM boats. ECM became so good and with such range that ECM boats devoted all their slots to it and were overpowered.
So finally CCP recognized there was a problem again with ECM as people were creating alts to fly Falcons, and we get what? Sure, you lost ridiculous range. But you can't even be properly nerfed, you got an increase in the jam strength and you amps that give some of that range back Oh well, the only good thing is that now you will have to choose maybe to devote a mid(s) to a LSE(s) or sensor booster/etc and a low(s) to a plate(s) or i-stab/nano/dc because you will be in range of ships other than Apocs and Rokhs, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER RECON HAS BEEN.
Also, now ECCM modules just got even more useless on any ship other than a fleet sniper BS (assuming you can tweak your sniper setup enough to fit one). 30% strength bonus?! So, Caldari STFU, you will be permajamming anything you turn a jammer onto. It's just that you will not be jamming 4 or 5 sub BS ships because you will have to lose some slots to a tank/sensor booster/cap injector/whatever else you might find beneficial in close(er) quarters - LIKE EVERY OTHER RECON.
if i was you i would i would try and actually GET INTO one of theese recons and FLY them before commenting and/or passing judgement on them
Pilgrim, yay it could use some lovin for sure but it still works (contact me ingame to get KB listing) Arazu one of the better tacklers in the game ofc its not a lachesis but it works very well indeed Rapier this is an almost perfect recon you can still web over 45 with gallente webs (the only thing nerfed to **** and back was the webs (BRING BACK OLD META LVLS) Now for the falcon first off any off you who think a Falcon PERMAJAMS fail to realize in order to "permajam" a bs you would need 2-3 jam racials on it, dont belive me? just wiki "jamming" and actually do the math. second hmmmmm have any off you falcon whinners looked at the Blackbird?
That's quite presumptuous of you. I'm resisting the urge to apply a derogatory name to you. Anyway, I (or my Falcon alt) have flown them all, so you are 100% wrong about your flippant "get into them".
Pilgrim only works for solo ganks under ideal conditions. And you can shove your conceited killboard stats. Arazu has so many cap, speed, etc issues, and you can tackle about as well in much cheaper ships (inty and 30km). Rapier before the speed/web nerf was a much needed and rather good ship and i flew it a lot. Now with 60% webs it and the Hugin are quite sad. Reading comprehension - I said permajams any sub-BS now. The bonus is now 30% per level. No inty, af, cruiser, or hell even HAC or BC has any hope of acquiring and maintaining a lock now even if he fits an eccm. It will even be quite difficult for an ECCM other recon or bs to maintian a lock. I don't know what you are intimating with the BB? It is, and still will be, infinitely better than the 5% per level damp Celestis and the 5% per level painter Bellicose. So, what's your point?
I'm trying to come up with fits for other recons dedicated to Rook/Falcon killing, because they will be much need soon. 30% jammers though are going to be tough if not impossible to overcome. The only thing that will kill them reliably is blobbage. At least ECM recons will be in range of the blob now.
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Massa S
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Massa S on 15/04/2009 15:15:19 all in all great changes, but on thing is missing!
what about the gallenteans and drones with the tech 3 ship: proteus? i still will have 100 mbit at maximum, i will say the speziality to have 5 heavy drone is not given like the tech 2 ishtar.
thats sad
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Gil Danastre
Amarr The Red Hessians
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cone Filler so you see the 4 force recon as having a universal tank ? do you think pilgrims and arazu use thoose mid slots for tanking?
it funny how you say the blackbird has a "paper thin tank", what exactly did you think the tank on falcons was before this? ..... i'll tell you : PAPER THIN, TBH you should check out the current stats between falcon and BB
theese 2 points just go to show your complaining about something you have no clue on
PS yeah the BB has 1 lesser mid but then it gains a 4th low .... hmmm what will go in theese slots?
No recon that I know of can survive being primaried. It's just funny that everyone crys about the Falcon not having a tank as if it's a unique case. You can fit a passable tank on one, the falcon pilots just have to stop having 4 jammers eating all their mids. Especially with the increased strength bonus post patch multispecs will be more viable.
I can tracking disrupt someone in my pilgrim, but they still have a chance to hit me, drones attack me, and i'm useless vs a missile boat. A falcon pilot can now jam someone but they have more of a chance of not being jammed, drones will still hit the falcon, but you affect both missile boats and turret ships.
Also I don't know what uber Blackbird you must be looking at because the one I see has 2 lows.
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Savenius
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:37:00 -
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Please put the sensor booster effect back to the original subtle Apocrypha effects.
Otherwise, the patch looks good.
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