Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde

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tortugan... I've not checked this thread in like weeks and you're still here droning on and regurgitating the same debunked objections for no discernable purpose other than to have something to do while you camp the jita undock.

C+P/COAD/General--->that way

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Originally by: Wang Jing

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Assault Ships (Assault Frigates) are currently the only T2 ships which do not receive 4 bonuses. It is only fair that this is addressed, and a lot of the ships in this class are in desperate need of another bonus:

Hawk and Vengeance: These need a second damage bonus, as they are currently outdamaged by the kestrel, a T1 frigate, and rockets in general give very poor performance for their fitting requirements. It is increasingly common for the vengeance to be fitted with blasters or lasers as even without bonuses they will outperform rockets. This is surely a sign something needs to be done.

Wolf and Jaguar: Given the concept of minmatar ships as being fast moving, outmanouevering their opponents and dancing around them, the lack of a tracking bonus on these ships is absurd. Given that their T1 counterpart, the infamous Rifter, receives this bonus, it is quite clear that it is necessary for the role they are most often required to perform; engaging the enemy in a tight orbit, using their superior speed to avoid the guns of a larger foe.

The other ships in this class, whilst having no glaring flaws, are still in need of help. For example, it is worrying when Gallente pilots in need of a high dps, take no prisoners blaster using frigate will pick an interceptor, the Taranis, over an assault frigate, the Enyo, everytime. In my view that is indicative of a serious problem with assault frigates, and I believe a 4th bonus will justify the cost of these ships and make them perform the way they should.

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Originally by: CCP Abraxas

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Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.

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Originally by: CCP Abathur

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Originally by: The Monkeysphere

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They do have 4 bonuses. The fourth one is hidden, that's all.

It used to be public but people kept whining about the apparently bad bonus. A lot of people are very bad at this game.

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Originally by: The Monkeysphere

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They do have 4 bonuses. The fourth one is hidden, that's all.

It used to be public but people kept whining about the apparently bad bonus. A lot of people are very bad at this game.

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Jaguar/wolf: 5% proj ROF per level

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Originally by: Tortugan

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you didnt read any of the posts in this thread now did you

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In fact, I did. Did you?

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AFs have very specific roles, as do most T2 ships. Some are better at tanking, others are better at tackling, others are better at putting out solid DPS. I don't think it would be the end of the world if they got a buff, but I really don't think it's necessary.

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^ Meaning, hell yes- it's possible to put out more DPS in a Kestrel than a Hawk, but does that mean that make a Kestrel a better ship? Honestly- LTFF (Learn To F***ing Fly) ships before whining for a buff. Yes, AFs are squishy and not easy ships to fly- but they're FRIGATES. The fact that I feel wholly comfortable engaging most T2 cruisers in my AF is a clear sign that if anything, AFs need a nerf- but quite frankly, they're fine where they are now.

AFs take specialization to fly, and practice to fly well. Learn to choose your engagements, and take full advantage of your size and your tank. If you're getting popped too quick, it's because you're allowing yourself to be tracked- medium guns and larger should never hit you if you're orbiting at close range, and small drones can be killed, tanked, or outrun. If your target is tanking you, go after something smaller, and quit whining that your T2 Frigate can't kill a mission fit Battlecruiser.

Honestly- you wonder why Eve has so many balance issues? It's because people like those supporting this thread cba to learn from their mistakes, and be creative- they'd rather just complain and blame CCP.

Assault Frigs are fine. If you can't fly them well, that's your own damn problem.

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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde

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The counters to an AF shouldnt change and wont change. Bringing them in line with all othet T2 shiptypes has little to do with anti AF tactic. Unless CCP gets very creative with the bonuses, the role of the AF wont change it'll just be able to do it right and be worth the expense.

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Originally by: Zastrow J

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Edited by: Zastrow J on 10/09/2009 22:16:12
in our little chit chat with ccp on this they told us the reason that ass frigs only have 3 boners is because the damage resistance that is innate to the hull was supposed to be the 4th bonus. Yet they did agree that ass frigs should be looked at again, and I personally suggested an afterburner speed bonus

anyways i know this isnt a resolution or anything i just want you guys to know it was on the agenda and was duly raised as an issue

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Originally by: Feffri

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Edited by: Feffri on 17/09/2009 19:20:57
I support this. Especially the retribution upgrade. It should have at least two mid slots if not 3. Take down a low slot and add the mid slot if it won't be balanced, if need be but only one mid is ridiculous.

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